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[Skittles]

1. DU overall is not a Tiger Beat club

we ARE allowed to criticize Democrats as long as we're not part of a Tiger Beat Group

[rpannier]

13. If you're a younger member

I'd say Leo (I mean, who doesn't think Leo is dreamy), maybe Devon Sawa (you seem sort of Canadian) or JTT (who didn't dream of Jonathan Taylor Thomas in the 90's)

[ismnotwasm]

24. I don't remember TigerBeat

I keep seeing this--what the hell is a Tiger beat?

[steve2470]

30. this magazine, the People magazine of its day, still going apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Beat

[Spitfire of ATJ]

3. This goes back to the "Bernie isn't a Democrat" crap.....

Therefore anyone who supports him is being disloyal to the party.

Right?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

5. Are we expected to support ALL Democrats?

'Cause I refused to wave pom-poms for this guy:

[GoneFishin]

6. Yep. I don't care what letter this guy puts after his name, I'd rather go have my teeth drilled

than vote for him.

[Helen Borg]

17. This guy is doing pretty well too...

[GoneFishin]

37. Yep. Supporting the President's Iran deal is important.

[Indydem]

7. Apparently so.

Party loyalty means nothing here anymore. Show up and change your party affiliation from (I-VT) to (D-VT) and PRESTO, you get all the love, respect and support as if you were a lifelong member of the party.

Wait? What? He is still (I-VT)????? Well I guess the new rule is that you just have to SAY you are a Democrat.

I'll be waiting for Rand Paul to say he is a Democrat next, so he can get all the love and support of the party. And get access to party resources.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. Some folks seem to believe "I" is a rival party.

[Indydem]

23. I is a rival party.

When "I" trashes the Democratic Party.

When "I" won't fundraise for the Democratic Party.

When "I" doesn't hold the values of the Democratic Party in any regard whatsoever.

When "I" is a bomb thrower who is tearing the party apart and will walk away just fine to "I" when their candidacy fails.

So yeah "I" is a rival party. If you don't get that I'm sorry.

[Autumn]

26. Interestingly enough the democratic party is fundraising off Bernie.

Another interesting fact, Bernie can be counted on to caucus with the democrats more than some democrats. As for upholding the values of the Democratic Party? He does that better than some democrats too.

[frylock]

39. "I" is looking to fix your broken party..

"I" is doing your party a solid by not running third-party.

Where did "I" trash the Democratic Party?

What, exactly are the values of the Democratic Party?

Precisely what bombs has "I" thrown at the party?

[LondonReign2]

36. Party Before Principle! Rah!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. LOL! That matters?

[Lunabell]

10. He left the Democrats.

Trash this traitor all you want to.

[Indydem]

22. After he was primaried.

He was a Democrat until he was primaried by the same progressives who want Sanders.

He was elected handily by the people of Connecticut. Ned Flanders would not have won that seat and it would have flipped to the Republican.

Too many here allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

[cyberswede]

31. He was a shit to run against Lamont after he lost the primary.

...and didn't he campaign for McCain? Talk about a rival.

[Indydem]

32. Lamont was a loser.

He was recruited by a bunch of nut jobs and had no political experience to speak of.

Yes Lieberman was a douche to endorse McCain. He wanted revenge and made himself look stupid.

But a guy who votes 90% of the time with the party is better than a guy that votes 0% of the time with the party (like the rebuke who would have gotten Libermans seat).

[jeff47]

34. So much a loser that he won.

Wait....what?

[frylock]

40. Lamont was a loser? Why are you trashing the party?

[Helen Borg]

15. But he looks so cuDDly...

[Lunabell]

9. Absolutely!

This is why even though I support Bernie, I will of course vote for the Democratic nominee whoever he or she is.

[tazkcmo]

33. Me too. n/t

[sibelian]

16. So, this:

"not to whine about Democrats, or complain about Democrats, although it does provide leeway for criticism"

Who does the distinguishing between "whining" and "criticism"?

[Scuba]

18. KMOD is the sole arbitrator on the whining vs constructive criticism issue.

[sibelian]

19. Perhaps we should have a protected group for the "anti-whining" arbiters.

Then we could ban people from it.

[demmiblue]

20. Disruptive Meta

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

[PowerToThePeople]

44. /\/\ this

Eom

[demmiblue]

47. Hosts are going to really need to shut down these types of posts during the primary season...

or else all hell will break loose (yes, a wee bit of hyperbole).

Most of the time, those who post disruptive meta threads as OPs have a clear history of flaunting the rules. Having a time out in the naughty chair doesn't seem to cut it for some posters. It is a given that some mild bickering will result in the body of the thread, but intentionally inviting divisiveness among DUers in an OP is a no-no.

[ericson00]

21. I agree completely, knr, tho

I think you oughta add something about spreading fake scandals, as is done against the Clintons here

[elana i am]

25. that little d is a meaningless label

when the bearer of that label does not honor it and instead renders it a badge of shame. the irony of democratic politics at this moment is that the one who does the most to honor it has never desired to be restrained by it.

i'll give o'malley and stein the credit here as well.

[HFRN]

29. exactly - TOO Many 'D' candidates sell out working people to line the pockets of the 1%

I've often seen 'The Cato Institute' used as sources on this site (as it's often used on NPR) to defend 'D' politician neoliberal policies

Even wondered who 'The Cato Institute is, where it came from? (it is a nice sounding name)

Cato Institute
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[6

[JoePhilly]

27. DivideDemocratsUnderground is more accurate now.

[HFRN]

28. just curious, but how 'would' you support people who don't support D candidates on DU

lend them your car, give them a ride to the airport, pick up something at the store for them etc?

[riversedge]

35. Thank you-it is a good reminder to all--that in Nov 2016 we do need to vote Dems

in all political positions. Lets not run them into the ground.

[seabeyond]

41. or... throw the whole democratic party, democratic candidates, democratic congress, democratic voice

under the bus for the one independent running under the democratic party.

[TSIAS]

42. I don't know how long you've been here

I was actually here pretty close to the start, January 20, 2001. This site was founded by what might be called the consultant class of the party. It was set out to be a place that appealed mostly to Democrats (hence the name). The site wasn't called Liberal Underground or Progressive Underground.

Early into the site's existence, they saw that more left-wing liberals and (gasp) Green Party supporters were posting. It's been a constant battle ever since between the so-called reasonable Democrats and the liberals. It does seem that liberals and even some farther left liberals spend more time on a political message board than centrist and conservative Democrats.

That's what basically led to the 2004 edict that in the primaries you can support any Democratic candidate, but once in the general you will either pledge loyalty to the candidate or refrain from posting during that period. And this period can be arbitrary, and not necessarily beginning with the official party convention. Once the Admins determine there is a presumed nominee, any sort of liberal dissent is strictly forbidden.

[hrmjustin]

43. Unfortunately common sense doesn't apply when it comes to Hillary hate.

[azurnoir]

45. Hmmm guess you weren't around in 2008 ?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable.

Even ones bearing the Democratic Party label.