Hillary seems a bit condescending in this clip

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

New video has emerged from inside a tense and uncomfortable closed-door meeting between Hillary Clinton and members of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Is the very candid cellphone video exposing a fracture between the Democratic Presidential candidates and one of their core constituencies?


https://www.facebook.com/ABC7/videos/10153027620897452/

[Agschmid]

1. You can't change hearts she is correct.

A racist is a racist.

A homophobe is a homophobe.

A mysogynist is a mysogynist.

What we need is a system that makes it clear why those beliefs are wrong, and doesn't empower people who hold them.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

2. I think you missed the point.

[Agschmid]

12. I don't believe I did, but you could spell it out for me if you feel I'm not getting it.

[msongs]

16. the point is to slam hillary nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

33. The point is to show the clip - she slams herself without me.

And all the people that keep saying "huh?" are the same people that slammed Bernie unmercifully when BLM confronted him at Netroots. They are so "in love" with Hillary, they refuse to see the truth about her. We make fun of the RWNJs all day long for doing the same thing.

I am not trying to convince any Hillary supporters to vote for Bernie. It's a lost cause, as stated above - they are blinded to the truth. I do however like posting things for my fellow Berniacs to enjoy.

I fully expect to be alerted on by a bunch of Hillarites for telling the truth as I see it. I've had 2 posts hidden by 4-3 margins in the last week which only could have happened if there were 4 Hillary supports on the jury. The alert/jury system is being abused by these people and I hope someone does something about it soon.

[Agschmid]

34. Or you could just be civil...

But hey it's a lot more fun to complain about the jury system.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

35. I believe I am civil. I won't put up with bullshit tho...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

32. Don't care.

[Agschmid]

39. You do, you started a whole OP about it?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

48. I don't care if you understand the clip or not.

If you can watch it and not understand what I'm referring to, then you are being dishonest.

Bye.

[Agschmid]

49. I'm not being dishonest.

But if that's all you got go for it.

This isn't a game, some of us aren't trying to score points and take pot shots.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

54. I don't believe you.

That is my last response to you.

[Gman]

6. You can make it crystal clear transparent

And it won't make a bit of difference to probably most of the racists. They like it they get off on it. It gives them a feeling that makes them feel superior in a world where their day to day existence is miserable.

[cali]

11. hearts and minds can and do change

I'm not saying that can be done directly through politics, but bigots can shed their prejudices

[Gman]

3. Ummm.... No

No fracture.

Nor is the AA community united on all issues.

[Fred Sanders]

5. If Clinton and BLM agreed on everything, it is called a conspiracy....when they disagree

there is a "fracture" and Clinton is also then the enemy of BLM - whatever "fracture" means....we all get the picture. There is no winning when derangement syndrome hits....just ask Obama about that!

[Juicy_Bellows]

4. You got that right.

Her comment about if that's how you feel I'll only talk with white people should be all over the news. Condescending as all get out.

[peacebird]

7. Wow. Totally condescending. "If that's how you feel then I'll only talk to white people"

And her expression and body language are basically "eff you"

[tblue37]

25. I posted about this on another thread, with a clip from her

"The sky will open up and celestial choirs will sing" speech, in which she also sounds condescendingly sarcastic and gestures in a way similar to the way she does in this clip.

This is crossposted from that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=532912

Her outsized gestures were awfully aggressive body language for such a close space, especially since her finger pointing gestures were right up in her interlocutor's face, and they were aggressively relentless, too, as was her tone.

Then, when she threw her hands in the air, I was reminded of the 2007 speech in which she mocked the idea of "The sky . . . open<ing> up" and angelic choirs singing if she were to drop out of the race and throw her support to Obama. The sequence is from 0.45-1.08 in this video:

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She sounds bombastic and sarcastic--and rather overwrough--in this old video, just as she does when talking to BLM in the OP video, especially since the man she is talking to is so soft spoken and polite.

Another DUer says all Bernie does is lecture, but I see not just lecturing, but hectoring, in the way Hillary speaks to the man in this BLM video.

[Thinkingabout]

8. OMG, what part of the video did you judge her as being condescending?

[Juicy_Bellows]

9. Click the link. It's queued right up.

Pretty sure the OP meant the clip they linked was condescending. They can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

10. You watched the video and don't know?

I don't believe that for a second. Nice try.

[tblue37]

26. Start at 4:00 in this video:

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?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TexasBushwhacker]

50. That was awesome! n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

13. Interesting, people must be allergic to following links.

Judging by some replies here it's clear some didn't bother watching. I saw the whole video yesterday but still wanted to see which part you were referring to. My hunch was spot on and I agree, but I followed the link. Cheers!

[SonderWoman]

14. Pledge your support!

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshduggar/status/634194531836014592

Just in case:

[Thor_MN]

15. One can even see condescension without even watching the clip.

[sadoldgirl]

17. This bit about not changing hearts has

a point, but she could have said that that can be
done when you work with very small children, because
this is where it has to start.

[left-of-center2012]

18. Hillary seems a bit condescending

Hillary being Hillary

[Logical]

19. Hey, she pulled herself out of poverty after she left the White House so give her a break! Nt

[slipslidingaway]

22. lol n/t

[ecstatic]

20. I viewed it as a moment of authencity from her

And I respect that. I'm a realist too, so I didn't feel offended.

[oasis]

21. Hillary agreed to meet BLM despite time restraints.

The BLM guy said something like "Don't give us answers that you think we want to hear". She had plenty of patience with them. Hill ain't about to kiss nobody's ass.

In congressional hearings she's the same Hillary, you can't slip something by her and get away with it.

[slipslidingaway]

23. "If that's how you feel then I'll only talk to white people" ...

condescending, yes just a bit.

[HappyPlace]

24. Very poorly handled. First, it's clear she doesn't listen very well.

Body language: when she's nodding it means, "hurry and finish, I know what I'm going to say, I can't hear you."

And, her sassy reply that she'll just talk to white people then is, indeed, really insulting and a form of blaming the victim, the questioner.

That's a discussion stopper right there.

And her solution? More laws?

You can't legislate compassion and empathy, you have to cultivate that.

She was kind of a mess on that exchange.

[tblue37]

27. Yeah. I support Bernie, but I admire Hillary and will support her if she is nominated.

Still, I can't help but wish she had the skill to handle the public performance aspect of the political game better.

[sorechasm]

30. Nice analysis HappyPlace!

If the 'white people' comment goes viral, she's in trouble. She could get out of it by explaining her position with compassion vs. condescension. OTH, if past is prelude, she'll be ducking this video for the next 6 months.

[DonCoquixote]

28. The fact is

Hillary is not a sit down and talk type. That does not mean she is a bigot, but it does mean that he has not managed to work on her people skills. Honestly,as much as I hate to say it, she needs to do two things FAST:

One:get Bill to join her, and actually be careful of dog whistles..Obama is gone, no need to appeal to the people that like those. But Billy has the charm Hillary does not.

Two: Name her VP asap, and make sure that person can help with the charm offensive. Cory Booker can help.

[TheKentuckian]

29. Skip all of that and retire. Like Dodge she is a very familiar brand I want no part of.

[azmom]

38. Like Dodge, LOL

[azmom]

37. You mean have men vouch for her? That

Would not go well with the feminist supporting her.

[DonCoquixote]

64. well in that case

she needs someone speaking for her. She simply either cannot or will not speak to people in a manner that makes people sympathetic.

[Vinca]

31. I saw frustration.

The people she was talking to didn't seem to want to tell her exactly what they wanted. No politician can wave a magic wand and eliminate racism. All she can do is help enact policies to give the black community more power.

[azmom]

36. What they were asking her is to acknowledge that

Her family had enacted racist policies, and they wanted to know if she Indeed was no longer racist, what had changed her heart.

In order not to answer that, she deflected.

[Agschmid]

40. "If she was indeed no longer racist"

WTF.

[azmom]

41. That's what I got out of it.

They did ask her nicely though.

[Agschmid]

43. I've alerted on that post, it won't get hidden but it's way over the top

None of our candidates are racist, or have been in the past. To argue otherwise is rediculous.

[azmom]

44. Well, many in the black community

Are very frustrated by all of the candidates.

[Agschmid]

46. Yes.

But to call them (any of them) a racist is just false.

The racists are the people killing the young black men, yelling slurs as people of color walk down the street, and committing hate crimes.

Those aren't our potential nominees.

Discussing race isn't always easy but not having a perfect answer doesn't make someone a racist.

[azmom]

47. Many are frustrated to a point where

We cannot see any other reason why the state allows the shooting down of unarmed black men.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

55. So you're one of those people that alerts on every little thing

Figures.

[Agschmid]

56. Nope I'm not.

I'm one of the people who alert on baseless accusation of racism on any of our leading candidates.

Oh and I sign my alerts... So...

If I alert it's clear it was me, and I own that.

[MoveIt]

42. It *seems* some very vocal Hillary supporters are unable to process this

That being said I do think that everyone should watch the interview with Democracy Now because the activists make their positions pretty clear, that or everyone can just accept the spin without watching the videos, and cover your eyes ears and mouth with Ready for Hillary stickers.

[azmom]

45. That video is a must see.

It explains it very well.

[Dream Girl]

53. Are you no longer racist?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

[azmom]

51. BLM speak about the meeting

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/19/when_black_lives_matter_met_clinton

[Romulox]

52. Breathtaking: "if that is your position then I will talk only to white people..."

This response might well earn a PPR here on DU.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems—

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

57. What's a PPR?

[arcane1]

60. Posting Privileges Revoked

Or is it Removed?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

61. Thanks. Yes, it is revoked.

[treestar]

65. What's the context?

Are they telling her that being white, she should not be telling them what to do? I have often seen that sentiment, leaving what to do about racism is for us to talk to other white people about it.

[Oilwellian]

58. Can you imagine if Bernie said:

"If that is your position, then I am only going to talk to white people about solutions to your problems?"

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. I know the HRC people here would be more infuriated than we are.

Or at least they'd act like it.

[sibelian]

62. Here is one response...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251533482

[treestar]

66. the context would come in

and Bernie would get defended.

[earthside]

63. Hillary is a 'has been'.

The deeper we get into this nomination process the more I am convinced that Hillary Clinton simply won't make it.

You can't change hearts and apparently you can't teach an old dog new tricks (that is just an expression, okay?) -- Hillary is a terrible campaigner; she is awful when she tries to be sarcastic; and she isn't much good at press conference or in one-on-ones. She hasn't learned how to be a better candidate since 2008 ... if anything she is worse.

Being a 'grandma' is not enough.

I'm starting to seriously think (not just hope anymore) that Mrs. Clinton is going to take a fall somewhere early in the process and fade-away or have to quit.