I like bernie, but he can't wi.....

[kpete]

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[kpete]

13. Uncle Joe

I am just SO proud of myself for FINALLY putting a Bernie Post In the CORRECT FORUM





phew,

peace to you and yours,
kp

[Uncle Joe]

40. Peace to you and yours as well, kpete.

[rhett o rick]

47. I'd almost given up.

[kpete]

60. i did not forget your suggestions

it just takes me awhile
I'd almost given up too

peace,
kp

[rhett o rick]

81. And peace to you my friend.

[azmom]

2. This one is so awesome!!

[Fuddnik]

3. All those old people can Wi.

They do it at the assisted living place my dad is at.

Bowling....golf....

[Fred Sanders]

4. Domestic Robin abuse is not cool.

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[sibelian]

7. Well, he did get his own back *once*...

[Fred Sanders]

10. Captioned your cartoon:

Batman:"No vote for Hillary is a vote for the Fascist's!"

Robin: "Grow a pair, Batman, take the chance!"

[sibelian]

12. Hm, I'll leave it to you to make the jpeg, Fred...

[ellennelle]

5. love the text

despise the violence.

just, you know, no need.

thx.

[sibelian]

8. Poor Robin.

He doesn't fare well, typically...

[kpete]

95. understood

[Duval]

6. Kicked and recommended.

I am very tired of hearing "he can't win", and I sure can relate to Batman's response! Just glad shouting doesn't hurt my television!

[Enthusiast]

9. Kicked and recommended!

Hell, yes!

[restorefreedom]

11. k and r! nt

[BooScout]

14. Vote for Bernie or I'll slap you.....

Lovely concept that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. It's a common meme....

[kpete]

28. A DEMOCRAT WILL WIN!!!

We have the 2 best candidates in the 2016 election cycle

BY FAR!!!!

Go Democrats!!!





at least thats how I see it for now.....
ANYBODY???

[Hortensis]

45. Definitely.

[MynameisBlarney]

49. All of our candidates, actually.

They're several orders of magnitude better than the GOTP clown car.

[merrily]

99. I, too, like O'Malley.

[AlbertCat]

106. Indeed

Hillary will not be a dreadful president if she wins.


And of course neither will O'Malley.... who also has some interesting ideas (left of Hillary).

I don't think Biden would be awful.


Of course my cat is better than any of the Repug loonies.

[arcane1]

33. Yes, because that's what this internet meme has been about for years.

Some people try too hard to invent offense

[merrily]

100. Yet, "grow a pair," used as a synonym for courage to vote for a female President, no less, is fine.

As a woman, I hate associating traits like courage and strength with male genitalia and weakness with female genitalia. Many homophobic remarks are anti-female as well. You insult a man by comparing him to a female, but you supposedly flatter a female by comparing her to a man.

[arcane1]

114. I'm not a fan of that expression, personally.

I've definitely never used it.

[merrily]

115. I don't use any of them.

I avoid things like "pussy" or "prick."

I understand there is a difference between a member of an oppressed group and a member of the oppressor group, but I understand the golden rule, too.

[cali]

39. bwahaha. hill supporters huffy about a cartoon

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. Sweet Cheezus... You're kidding right? Sometimes your posts make me picture a kid at a bday party...

Blindfolded; swinging at a pinata with a broomstick. Flailing at every sound, thinking you are going to hit it with the next swing and spill all the candy. What you don't realize is that the pinata has been pulled up and out of your reach. Your broomstick isn't long enough to hit the pinata no matter what you do, and everyone else is laughing at the joke.

Enjoy the party.

[beam me up scottie]

62. +1

You don't want to laugh at them but...

[merrily]

102. You must have gone to some lousy birthday parties as a kid.

The ones I went to were fun and exciting!

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. I never got invited.

[merrily]

112. I would have invited you!

In fact, if you are ever in Boston, give me some advance notice and you and I will have a kid's birthday party in a nice restaurant. We'll even play pin the tail on the server.

[merrily]

116. I should have specified "my treat" because that's what I meant.

Just give me enough time to pick up the party hats, favors, etc.

Everyone deserves an invite to a kid's birthday party.

[cherokeeprogressive]

120. You are TOO kind. I kid. I've never been excluded from birthday parties; I was making a point.

Growing up in the wonderful world of Southern California though, I've been to literally hundreds of birthday parties, and what I described... someone yanking on the rope to raise the pinata out of the reach of someone in order to leave it intact for the Birthday Kid happens all the time.

I wish I could have responded to this earlier but I had a rough day, got a promotion at the END of the day, and spend the evening celebrating.

Boston is one of the few cities I haven't had the good fortune to visit. When I DO get a chance to go there, dinner is on ME.

[merrily]

123. Yeayyyyy. Congratulations on your promotion.

I knew you were trying to make a point about the pinata. However, I focused in the invitation because I just imagined this excluded kid and figured no one should have that memory and only that memory of kids' birthday parties. I am so glad it wasn't true.

Boston is a great city to visit if you like history--so much to see-- and Cape Cod is beautiful. Cambridge is fun to see, too and Harvard is a very historic university. Ideally, you would do the sights in the city and end up on a beach in Cape Cod. You can see the sun come up over the water and you can also see the sun set on the water.

So, there you go. An invitation to an adult kid's birthday party, trip planning, a promotion and a celebration, all in the same 24 hour period. That's what I call a great day. I am so happy for you.

[brentspeak]

117. Your posts are good example of why IQ tests should be a requirement to post on this site. n/t

[brooklynite]

15. I see -- your approach is to hit 18 million Democrats?

Well, that's original...

Would it annoy you if I pointed out that if I DO "vote for him", that doesn't change the result if the Democrats who don't hang out on political blogs DON'T vote for him?

Perhaps you'd be better off coming up with a convincing tactical analysis of HOW he wins, because I still haven't seen one.

[Garrett78]

18. There isn't one.

There isn't a "convincing tactical analysis" of how Sanders can win. Bernard Chazelle wrote, "America has lefties but no left." Until that changes, Dems will have to settle for neoliberals such as Clinton. Lefties have to be willing to lay the groundwork necessary so that someone like Sanders can become POTUS someday. The environment that will foster such a candidate must be created from the local outward; it can't just be willed into being.

I suggest getting involved in local projects of interest to you. Some examples might include volunteering with civil rights organizations, anti-bullying programs, union organizing, democratic schools or unschooling, co-ops, running for or working in public office, etc. *Note: I'm not talking about mere personal transformation (Gandhi never said "be the change&quot or promoting new age nonsense that has become popular with lefties. Nor am I advocating the creation of new organizations. I'm talking about joining with others to help bring about an environment in which neoliberals and neoconservatives aren't the only options at the national level.

Simply expressing opposition to lesser evil voting won't accomplish much. If you want an organized Left or an environment that can foster a progressive national politics, lefties are going to have to create it from the local outward. And accept that it will take a very long time given our starting position. As opposed to waiting every 4 or 8 years in hopes that this will be the year progressive so-and-so gets elected. Now, some reading this post may already be very active at the local level and I commend you (I sure as heck need to do more myself), but it's quite evident that more needs to be done, that "America has lefties but no left." Depending on your age, you may not see large-scale systemic change in your lifetime. And that can be demoralizing, I know. It's also not easy--you have a job, you have a family, you don't want to do even more work in your spare time. But you have to find a way, because you aren't going to will systemic change into being. You have to help lay the groundwork and - in order to get over the frustration with slow progress - take comfort in planting seeds in the collective consciousness.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. What's funny is other countries would consider Bernie to be slightly left of center.....

But then, they already HAVE everything he's proposing for the stupid Americans that let their corporations buy their country.

[Garrett78]

25. Or even a "centrist"

Kucinich (the Sanders of 2007/2008) was once described as a European Centrist. We have a long ways to go before someone such as Sanders becomes POTUS. Until lefties form an organized Left from the local outward (start by taking over city councils, school boards, etc.), we'll continue to see neoliberals and neoconservatives battling for supremacy. If lefties aren't willing to do the leg work between election cycles and only get "active" during election cycles (mostly by posting on message boards), we can forget about undoing the corporate stranglehold.

Sanders himself said, "no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country. They will not be able to suceed becuase the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great that no president alone can stand up to them. That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it, but that is the reality. And that is why what this campaign is about is saying loudly and clearly: It is not just about electing Bernie Sanders for president, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country."

And, as Robert Jensen wrote several years ago, "No matter who votes in elections, powerful unelected forces—the captains of industry and finance—set the parameters of political action. Voting matters, but it matters far less than most people believe, or want to believe."

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. Too many people are looking for a hero on both sides of the political spectrum....

The REASON they believe the presidency has that kind of power is most Americans have experience with living under a dictatorship while they're at work. What their boss says goes and they seem to believe the President is the ultimate boss.

That's why the Base of the GOP love them some Trump.

[Hortensis]

46. Yup.

[Stardust]

63. Well said. Welcome to DU!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

72. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

23. So let's just settle for the same....

Ole poop

[HappyPlace]

29. You're kidding, right?

It's a cartoon from decades ago, a tongue in cheek quick giggle.

It in no way suggests a serious tactic and neither does it promote or make light of domestic abuse.

If you think it's so wrong, just alert on it.

I'm guessing you know how to do that.

[brooklynite]

32. I never alert...

...I just respond when I think the message is wrong or idiotic.

That said, the graphic isn't the real issue. The real issue is the notion that "Bernie can win if we all vote for him". I've seen this thrown out several times, and it remains completely irrelevant, since "we" represent the most insignificantly small proportion of the Democratic electorate. For Bernie to win, "they" (the 99% of the Party that don't discuss politics online) have to vote for him, and none of Bernie's supporters have suggested a serious approach as to how he's going to reach out to 18 million voters without the financial resource to either advertise or hire full-time field staff.

[Garrett78]

35. Agreed.

I think far too many make the mistake of thinking Internet message board posters constitute a significant portion of the electorate.

[Stardust]

66. He's sowing the seeds right now. These rallies generate not only interest, but also curiosity.

It's a long time before the primaries and plenty of time to proselytize about Bernie. I myself have swayed a few people just because they asked me about my Bernie window signs and I told them what Bernie is about.

Maybe the effects of advertising are not so important in this day and age. Since Bernie won't do negative ads, he'd be easy to ignore in the constant barrage of advertisements. IMO, social media is going to push otherwise apathetic voters to the polls and catapult Bernie into the White House.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

73. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

[Live and Learn]

75. What I fail to understand is why some here on DU are so against him even running.

I mean if you think he can't win there is really no harm in him running is there? Come to think of it, there is no harm in you voting for him either in that case!

Me, I am voting for Bernie and I think he can win. If he can't, even with the mobilization he is generating, God help us because our system has been completely sold out to the highest bidder. I am not okay with that and fail to see why anyone would be.

[brooklynite]

80. Name someone here who has said he shouldn't run...

[Live and Learn]

82. Oh please, you mean you missed those posts and their implications?

I don't believe that for a minute.

[brooklynite]

83. Then it'll be very easy for you to prove me wrong, won't it?

[Live and Learn]

84. Nope, I'll follow Bernie's lead. Not naming any names.

But they are not to hard to find. You might even find some from people you know well.

[brooklynite]

85. I thought Sanders' approach was not to attack his opponents...

...your approach seems to be to attack your opponents without evidence.

[Live and Learn]

86. You took that as an attack? Hmmm.

Actually, I was calling out attacks on Bernie without specifying individuals. I think Bernie would be fine with my approach.

[kenfrequed]

107. Thank you so much!

Every time you respond this post gets kicked higher and almost everyone recognizes this is a silly cartoon meme.

So I really appreciate you completely misinterpreting it and trying to attack Bernie supporters for using it.

You are the best Hillary supporter on our team!!!!

[kpete]

96. Just VOTE!!!!

Democrats will win this cycle
that makes me happy

I am more worried about congress right now
neither Hillary or Bernie can do much w/o some support from congress


that is where I stand today, a Liberal Democrat,
proud of my party (especially in light of the "clown car&quot

peace brooklynite,
kp

[brooklynite]

97. I'm not prepared to take the risk...

My wife and I do a lot of financial support for Democrats, and to be informed on the races I'm considering funding, I do a lot of research and data crunching. I have yet to see a hard-boiled explanation of how Bernie Sanders competes in a national Primary, let alone the General Election.

[brentspeak]

119. Let's play a game. It's called "Playing Dumb!" n/t

[msongs]

16. violent bernie supporter commits battery on innocent bystander. great PR message eh? nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Said the same thing about Kucinich.

[LiberalArkie]

20. Bernie may have the support of all the people, but does he have the support of

those that program the voting machines?

[artislife]

22. What is so funny with all the descenters on this OP

Is that they probably watched Batman in their jammies and said "POW" along with the tv series.

[LondonReign2]

67. Poor darlings are displaying all the sense of humor as, well, Republicans

[DRoseDARs]

24. Here: Batslap meme, because some of you are insufferable ninnies...

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-parents-are-dead-batman-slapping-robin

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. ...

[Stardust]

69. That's adorable! Is Kitteh reading DU?!?

[Puglover]

101. OMG how I wish there was a huge

A comic. From when I was 11. Used as outrage.

I have now officially seen it all.

[arcane1]

34. Their offense is not genuine, it's manufactured. n/t

[b.durruti]

43. So transparent, it's disgusting ~nt~

[L0oniX]

52. +1

[MoveIt]

30. Slapped and recommended!

[captainarizona]

31. negative advertising

Have any of you thought about what kind of negative ads that republicans would run against sanders? They would morph him into stalin lenin castro and worse. They would show communists killing people with sanders smiling. These ads would be aimed at low information independent voters who decide elections. Where would sanders get the money as the goppers would spend billions if necessary. Remember the famous daisy ad against goldwater or the willie horton ad against dukakis. Think with your head not your heart. And trying to get this hidden because you love bernie will not solve your problem.

[arcane1]

36. So, the same thing they will do for any other Dem candidate.

I will not to let republicans decide whom I vote for. That's thinking with my head. Thinking with my heart would be to say "oh no, republicans will be mean to him and that frightens me!"

Fuck that. That's just an excuse to choose the lesser candidate. It's almost a right-wing tactic itself.

[stevenleser]

64. The difference here is there is video of Sanders self identifying as a socialist and

Several different instances of it. It's only a matter of time before some campaign or SuperPac makes that into a campaign commercial.

My money is on an O'Malley SuperPac doing so. It makes he most sense for O'Malley to do it now. The only way for O'Malley to have a chance is if he is seen as the lone Hillary alternative and the person standing in the way of that is Sanders.

Once that campaign commercial airs, Sanders support will drop like a rock.

[BlueCaliDem]

108. And plenty of videos wherein he disparages the Democratic Party. Plenty of quotes, too.

If the O'Malley PAC begins the attack, Bernie Sanders support will, indeed, drop like a rock. At the moment, their full attack is on Hillary Clinton simply because she's the one Democratic candidate they fear the most.

On the Republican side, you can be sure that Adelson and Koch billions will fill the airwaves, broadcast media, print media, and cable shows airing these tapings and quoting his remarks should he, by some miracle, win the Democratic Party nomination (which I highly doubt).

I stand on my prediction that the GOP would rather run their candidate against Bernie Sanders than against Hillary Clinton. Much like with President Obama because he's African-American, they have to be careful how they attack her because she's a woman. Demographics matter.

With Bernie Sanders, it's a walk in the park for them to run against.

[stevenleser]

110. Yes. That won't help Sanders either if this happens during the fight for the nomination.

My fear is that he somehow gets the nomination and then as your second paragraph indicates, the Repugs get to use the 90 or so days from when the convention ends until election day to blanket the TV and radio airwaves with video and soundbites of Sanders calling himself a Socialist.

I can see us losing 45+ states and a bunch more Senate and House seats in that scenario.

[LondonReign2]

68. Do you think there is a Democrat they WON'T smear?

Jesus-Gandhi '16 would be smeared as a Socialist who hangs out with whores and a foreigner trying to steal American jobs.

[stevenleser]

70. With their own words? Only Sanders is desperately vulnerable there.

50% of Americans say they won't vote for a Socialist under any circumstances and you have Sanders on video on multiple occasions self identifying as a Socialist.

It's a pretty obvious line of attack against him. Some campaign or SuperPac is going to make those instances into a campaign commercial and it is going to be devastating.

[LondonReign2]

71. Of course they will smear him. They will smear every Democrat

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They smeared a Silver Star recipient and made people believe he was less patriotic than guy that went AWOL from the TANG.

One difference: when they smear Bernie-- and there is no question they will, its in their DNA-- he won't become defensive, he'll say, "Hell yes I'm a Democratic Socialist, and here is why...."

[truebrit71]

76. And no-one will smear Hillary with any one of her many issues....

.... sure, let's not put up any candidates at all, that way there'll be no-one to smear! Take that you mean, old republicans!!!

Brilliant!

[stevenleser]

79. Read what I wrote again. You'll realize your mistake eventually. Nt

[truebrit71]

98. And how many people won't vote for her just for her name?

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.... according to some polls out her unfavorable numbers keep climbing....

[SoapBox]

37. K & R!

Go Bernie!

[Godhumor]

38. Eh, I am a Clinton supporter, and I enjoy the meme

Sometimes silly is just silly.

[kpete]

42. Godhumor

you have a beautiful and open mind

my real message is

VOTE

and
peace,
kp

[RoccoR5955]

41. If I hear that Bernie cannot win one more time

I THINK I'LL SCREAM!

[colsohlibgal]

44. Never Say Never

HRC was inevitable in 2008 as well.

The odds are against him, the plutocracy will move Heaven and Earth to thwart Bernie. The DNC wants the Wall Street Democrats to remain in control.

But you never know, and if enough people look at this objectively, on who would work hardest for the 98-99%, he just may pull this off.

[MynameisBlarney]

48. Heh

[L0oniX]

50. K & R ...and the original Batgirl just died ...RIP

[Thinkingabout]

51. Bernie will not be the nominee.

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. Misogyny, violence, and child abuse. That makes it a threefer.

I don't get why people think this is funny.

[frylock]

55. Misogyny?

[Agnosticsherbet]

59. mi·sog·y·ny məˈsäjənē/ noun dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. "she

mi·sog·y·ny

məˈsäjənē/

noun

dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

"she felt she was struggling against thinly disguised misogyny"

It is from the the Batman Bitch Meme generator.

[beam me up scottie]

61. Lol!

[cali]

65. I gather you weren't amused by the road runner or bugs either

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. I think people should be aware of the symbols they use.

To promote their ideas.

Life is not a cartoon or a comicbook.

[cali]

91. so the little smilie we use here of one character bashing

another over the head is offensive . Got it.

[Puglover]

104. I know everytime time I see it.

I need to take to bed.

Skinner please! Remove this IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!

[Agnosticsherbet]

105. If you think violent imagery is fine, we live in a free society.

[cali]

109. I think calling that violence is ridiculous

[lewebley3]

54. Hillary is the one with quaiflied to win fight against the GOP

[beam me up scottie]

57. The responses to the Batslap meme in this thread are Hillaryous!

[progressoid]

87. No kidding.

Wow.

[beam me up scottie]

88. I blame the parents.

Just look what happens when you don't let kids read comic books.

Stunted growth ends up shortening the funny bone so much it doesn't function properly.

Seen it happen in fundy families.

Tragic.

[Bobbie Jo]

58. Heh, well I'll say this...

The slapping around looks familiar.

[Oldtimeralso]

74. K & R

PROUD TO BE #200

[pacalo]

78. K&R.

[moobu2]

89. I dont like Bernie and he'll never be president of the USA...ever.

If Hillary gets knocked off, we'll have a Republican president.

[cali]

92. why don't you like him?

[eridani]

90. He appeals to the 63%

That is to say, the voters in 2014 who were eligible to vote in 2014 but did not.

[brooklynite]

93. But half of those will be voting for Trump, won't they?

The non-voters aren't all on the left side of the political spectrum.

[eridani]

124. Lower income people are most likely to be alienated

Trump's supporters are your more affluent Tea Party types. Even then, Sanders has a chance to peel off some of them by convincing them that banksters are more of a problem than immigrants. Clinton doesn't have a chance there.

[brooklynite]

125. Lower income people are not always liberal, just like high income people are not always conservative

[eridani]

126. Percentabewise lower income people are indeed more liberal n/t

[Vattel]

94. It's telling that so many Sanders supporters choose to rec this graphic

depiction of child abuse. I am not saying that Sanders himself would slap little Robin, but a true leader would be able to reduce the number of recs this post is getting.

[sabrina 1]

103. Lol!

[onehandle]

113. A perfect representation of Senator Sander's representation on DU.

I cannot believe this was posted here as a good thing.

[merrily]

118. Oh, man. You're dissing kpete? WOW! And over a cartoon, too?

[postatomic]

121. I remember that issue

Classic Batman. Loved it.

[Ken Burch]

122. "Holy social democracy, Batman!" n/t.