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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:39 PM

Has Bernie officially joined the Democratic Party yet?

Not meant as flame bait, just if he did, I missed the story. If he hasn't yet, I'm assuming he will.

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Reply Has Bernie officially joined the Democratic Party yet? (Original post)
hedgehog Aug 2015 OP
hack89 Aug 2015 #1
cali Aug 2015 #12
hack89 Aug 2015 #24
cali Aug 2015 #40
cali Aug 2015 #37
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #72
hack89 Aug 2015 #79
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #80
hack89 Aug 2015 #89
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #90
hack89 Aug 2015 #94
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #95
hack89 Aug 2015 #96
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #98
hack89 Aug 2015 #99
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #100
pangaia Aug 2015 #102
hack89 Aug 2015 #103
Fawke Em Aug 2015 #113
hack89 Aug 2015 #114
Fawke Em Aug 2015 #115
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #2
hedgehog Aug 2015 #10
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #13
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #36
Fearless Aug 2015 #50
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #51
yodermon Aug 2015 #67
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #68
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #57
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #69
Adrahil Aug 2015 #97
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #101
Adrahil Aug 2015 #107
Fearless Aug 2015 #105
Adrahil Aug 2015 #108
Fearless Aug 2015 #112
daybranch Aug 2015 #3
Maedhros Aug 2015 #15
leftofcool Aug 2015 #21
frylock Aug 2015 #32
Trajan Aug 2015 #38
cali Aug 2015 #52
MADem Aug 2015 #59
cali Aug 2015 #60
MADem Aug 2015 #66
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #53
Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #33
PatrickforO Aug 2015 #91
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #4
Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #8
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #11
cali Aug 2015 #14
Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #34
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #55
hedgehog Aug 2015 #7
KMOD Aug 2015 #25
Aerows Aug 2015 #43
FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #6
cali Aug 2015 #17
djean111 Aug 2015 #18
JoePhilly Aug 2015 #29
djean111 Aug 2015 #31
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #41
AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #58
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #62
AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #63
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #64
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #104
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #106
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #109
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #110
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #116
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #117
Autumn Aug 2015 #44
AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #9
AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #16
hedgehog Aug 2015 #19
Aerows Aug 2015 #49
leftofcool Aug 2015 #22
AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #26
Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #35
Autumn Aug 2015 #46
JoePhilly Aug 2015 #28
AppalachianLeftist Aug 2015 #39
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #56
RobertEarl Aug 2015 #20
hedgehog Aug 2015 #23
Trajan Aug 2015 #45
AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #27
RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #30
TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #42
SamKnause Aug 2015 #47
WillyT Aug 2015 #48
Ron Green Aug 2015 #54
jfern Aug 2015 #61
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #65
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1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #75
navarth Aug 2015 #76
jfern Aug 2015 #78
leftofcool Aug 2015 #81
jfern Aug 2015 #83
Garrett78 Aug 2015 #85
leftofcool Aug 2015 #82
PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #70
postatomic Aug 2015 #74
postatomic Aug 2015 #73
JDPriestly Aug 2015 #77
Perry Smith Aug 2015 #84
leftofcool Aug 2015 #86
Perry Smith Aug 2015 #87
Garrett78 Aug 2015 #88
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #92
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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:40 PM

1. Has he promised to campaign for other Democrats ?

I would settle for that.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:49 PM

12. he has a strong history of doing that. I'm sure he'll. continue

 

And his assistance will be more valuable.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:59 PM

24. Can you provide some examples please? Nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:45 PM

40. oops, replied to my own post. see post 37

 

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:43 PM

37. sure, in Vermont he's campaigned for Dean, Shumlin, Mayor Weinberger

 

of Burlington, Congressman Peter Welch and many dem state legislators. I know he's also helped and donated to dems outside of Vermont.
https://m.facebook.com/sevendaysvt/posts/10153291280691763

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Response to hack89 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:23 PM

72. He's been doing that for decades.

 

Bernie is not an opponent of the Democratic Party. And he's not Nader. And you know it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #72)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:56 AM

79. On a national scale?

or just on a local quid pro qou basis to further his political ambitions?

He is no Nader, that is true. He is still an Independent, and not a Democrat. He is an opportunist - if he had any integrity he would run an a true Independent.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #79)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:02 AM

80. On a national scale.

 

He's been backing the Democratic presidential ticket for years, supports Leahy and Peter Welch, the state's Democratic congressman.

But then again, nothing I could say about him would ever be enough for you, because you clearly think, based on your history here, that we should just always nominate the preferred candidate of the party establishment and the rich, no matter what. You probably think that we shouldn't even have presidential primaries anymore...that we should just leave the choice to "the pros"...the people who gave us Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #80)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:39 PM

89. Obama was the candidate of the rich? ok.

So you fell in love with a carpet bagger who has no chance without the political party(and it's money) that he has spurned for decades. If he had any integrity he would run as an independent since he is not a Democrat.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #89)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:31 PM

90. I didn't "fall in love" with anybody.

 

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I just deeply respect someone who calls for what most of us in this party, this country and this world want. There's nothing inappropriate in that.

And Obama(who I supported twice)wasn't the candidate of the rich, but under the influence of Rahm, he pretty much always deferred to them. That's the only reason we still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's the only reason he demobilized the Obama movement by reducing its function to electioneering and nothing else, that's the only reason he's fighting harder for corporate-drafted trade deals than heever did for healthcare and card-check.

Obama made things better, and he's a historic figure just for getting elected, but he squandered the chance to permanently realign American politics and move us towards a negotiation-based relationship with the rest of the world rather than our arrogant, imperial-minded approach to global life.

As to Bernie, he hasn't spurned our party as much as he came to the conclusion that you couldn't be a true progressive and have a long-term future in it. Look at how many toxic compromises Hubert Humphrey was forced to accept over the years, look how disgracefully Eugene McCarthy and his supporters were treated in Chocago, look at how McGovern was lead-piped by the party regulars just for winning the nomination fair and square, look how Jesse was shat upon in '84 and '88, look at how totally disregarded Paul Wellstone was in the Nineties by our party's leaders. Bernie made the choices he made to keep his soul and to do something that mattered-and none of his choices ever actually harmed our party. Why hate a guy who's only crime is committing truth?

If he'd made the choices your candidate made...the decision, over and over, that electoral politics was the only thing that matters,that "just winning the election" was worth giving up half or more of what you believe in, that activists and the powerless deserve no respect while corporations and bankers should get constant deference , nothing Bernie could have done after making those choices could ever have meant anything. He'd have reduced himself to hanging out in Davos with Bono.

If you don't want people like Bernie to keep their distance from this party, why don't you actually try working to make this party a place they can wholeheartedly trust? A place where ordinary people, activists, and the dispossessed are given at least as much of a hearing as CEO's with big checkbooks?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:37 AM

94. Bernie was too good and moral to be a Democrat?

I take it you are not a Democrat either? Too good to wallow in the mud and filth like the rest of us?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #94)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:52 AM

95. I'm a Dem. It's just that I see my party as it is.

 

Why should Bernie have been a party-liner all his life when it would have meat standing for less? It;s not like a Humphreyized Bernie would have been better for the country.

The people I listed in that post WERE Dems...and the party treated them all like shit. If this was a party where people weren't asked to partially check their souls at the door Bernie would probably have been in it much earlier.

Were you this indignant about Heath Shuler, a life-long Republican, being forced in as a democratic Congressional nominee by Rahm? And forced in over a progressive who had only lost to the GOP incumbent by 15 votes in the previous election? And then getting in and voting against Obama from the right two-thirds of the time?

What matters is that Bernie stands with us...party identification is a McCarthyite side issue.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:58 AM

96. So Bernie was too good to be a Dem

Except when it suited his political ambition. And I am suppose to admire him for that? Ok.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #96)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:12 PM

98. It's not about Bernie being "too good" or about personal ambition.

 

It's about the fact that nobody of national stature INSIDE the party is dealing with the real issues, and that somebody different was needed. Nobody major national Dem is willing to stand up to corporate power. HRC can't be anti-corporate(which you have to be to be progressive)and O'Malley can't be either. Biden? We both know how much we can expect from a

Nothing would be better if Bernie HAD been a Dem the whole time.

Why are you so obsessed with something that only matters to right-wing Dems? That only matters to people who don't want this party to be progressive? It's not as if anything would be better if Bernie had identified with Dems the whole time or if he wasn't running.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #98)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:19 PM

99. White knights belong in fairy tales

He is a carpet bagger - no more and no less.

You fucking insult the millions of loyal Democrats like myself who have spent years in the trenches getting Dems elected to office and wonder why we don't embrace the next in a long line of flash in the pan populist that makes your heart go flutter?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #99)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:43 PM

100. I'm one of those loyal Democrats.

 

I'm not talking about rank-and-file types like us...people who have had no real say since 1988 in what this party stands for...

I'm talking about the Beltway types who don't care anymore if anything progressive happens or anything changes at all, or even, really, if we win anything other than the presidency(Beltway Dems are just fine with GOP control of Congress, as they showed by doing nothing to try to stop the GOP takeovers in 2010 and 2014).

The ones whose answer to everything is always "silence the grassroots, move further right and take Wall Street money".

Your candidate is totally in line with them...that's why someone like Bernie had to get in this year.

Without a candidate like that, no issues would even be being discussed and whoever we nominated would still be speaking in front of bleachers full of cops.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #100)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:21 PM

102. You sure have more patience than I would.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #100)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:27 PM

103. You and I will be voting for the same person in the general election

That is all that ultimately matters. We are one the same side.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #79)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:27 PM

113. Integrity?

Sanders has had no, zero, zilch, nada scandals.

Your candidate has had... how many?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #113)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:37 PM

114. If you stopped paying attention to the RW noise machine

you would have a more balanced picture of HRC.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #114)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:49 PM

115. I never listen to the RWNM.

The fact is she's been involved in a few legitimate scandals.

But, as someone who works in Internet security, I will tell you my take on this email thing is far different than the right-wing or Clinton supporters. I look at it as a failure in decision-making. Entrusting her emails to a tiny Colorado company that kept their servers in a bathroom closet just does NOT look good from a security standpoint. Classified emails or not, an easy-to-hack server that by all standards did not appear to meet minimal security risks is NOT a good option for the US secretary of state. Even non-classified material can be used against someone.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:41 PM

2. He can't

There's no way way to do so in Vermont since you don't register to vote by Party.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:47 PM

10. Thank you - I had no idea. Here in New York we have closed

primaries, so it may be a problem.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:50 PM

13. it won't be a problem for you to vote for him in the primary

Because he will be on the Democratic Party ballot.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:41 PM

36. Did anyone tell Patrick Leahy, or ...

 

Representative Janet Ancel Washington-6 - Democrat
Representative John L. Bartholomew Windsor-1 Democrat
Representative Steven Berry Bennington-4 Democrat
Representative Clement Bissonnette Chittenden-6-7 Democrat
Representative William Botzow II Bennington-1 Democrat
Representative Timothy Briglin Windsor-Orange-2 Democrat
Representative Cynthia Browning Bennington-4 Democrat
Representative Sarah E. Buxton Windsor-Orange-1 Democrat
Representative William Canfield Rutland-3 Republican
Representative Stephen Carr Rutland-6 Democrat
Representative Kevin Christie Windsor-4-2 Democrat
Representative Alison H. Clarkson Windsor-5 Democrat
Representative Joanna Cole Chittenden-6-1 Democrat
Representative James Condon Chittenden-9-1 Democrat
Representative Daniel Connor Franklin-6 Democrat
Representative Charles Conquest Orange-Caledonia Democrat
Representative Sarah Copeland-Hanzas Orange-2 Democrat
Representative Timothy R. Corcoran II Bennington-2-1 Democrat
Representative Leigh Dakin Windsor-3-1 Democrat
Representative Maureen Dakin Chittenden-9-2 Democrat
Representative David L. Deen Windham-4 Democrat
Representative Johannah Donovan Chittenden-6-5 Democrat
Representative Alice M. Emmons Windsor-3-2 Democrat
Representative Debbie Evans Chittenden-8-1 Democrat
Representative Rachael Fields Bennington-2-1 Democrat
Representative Robert Forguites Windsor-3-2 Democrat
Representative William Frank Chittenden-3 Democrat
Representative Patsy French Orange-Washington-Addison Democrat
Representative Maxine Grad Washington-7 Democrat
Representative Helen Head Chittenden-7-3 Democrat
Representative Mary S. Hooper Washington-4 Democrat
Representative Mark Huntley Windsor-2 Democrat
Representative Timothy Jerman Chittenden-8-2 Democrat
Representative Willem Jewett Addison-2 Democrat
Representative Mitzi Johnson Grand Isle-Chittenden Democrat
Representative Kathleen C. Keenan Franklin-3-1 Democrat
Representative Warren F. Kitzmiller Washington-4 Democrat
Representative Anthony Klein Washington-5 Democrat
Representative Robert Krebs Grand Isle-Chittenden Democrat
Representative Jill Krowinski Chittenden-6-3 Democrat
Representative Martin LaLonde Chittenden-7-1 Democrat
Representative Diane Lanpher Addison-3 Democrat
Representative Joan G. Lenes Chittenden-5-2 Democrat
Representative William J. Lippert Jr. Chittenden-4-2 Democrat
Representative Emily Long Windham-5 Democrat
Representative Gabrielle Lucke Windsor-4-2 Democrat
Representative Terence Macaig Chittenden-2 Democrat
Representative Ann Manwaring Windham-6 Democrat
Representative Linda J. Martin Lamoille-2 Democrat
Representative James Masland Windsor-Orange-2 Democrat
Representative Curt McCormack Chittenden-6-3 Democrat
Representative James McCullough Chittenden-2 Democrat
Representative Alice Miller Bennington-3 Democrat
Representative Ruqaiyah Morris Bennington-2-2 Democrat
Representative Michael Mrowicki Windham-4 Democrat
Representative Betty A. Nuovo Addison-1 Democrat
Representative Anne Theresa O'Brien Chittenden-1 Democrat
Representative Jean O'Sullivan Chittenden-6-2 Democrat
Representative Carolyn W. Partridge Windham-3 Democrat
Representative Avram Patt Lamoille-Washington Democrat
Representative Albert Pearce Franklin-5 Republican
Representative David Potter Rutland-2 Democrat
Representative Ann Pugh Chittenden-7-2 Democrat
Representative Barbara Rachelson Chittenden-6-6 Democrat
Representative Kesha K. Ram Chittenden-6-4 Democrat
Representative Herbert Russell Rutland-5-3 Democrat
Representative Marjorie Ryerson Orange-Washington-Addison Democrat
Representative David Sharpe Addison-4 Democrat
Representative Amy Sheldon Addison-1 Democrat
Representative Shapleigh Smith Jr. Lamoille-Washington Democrat
Representative Thomas Stevens Washington-Chittenden Democrat
Representative Valerie A. Stuart Windham-2-1 Democrat
Representative Mary Sullivan Chittenden-6-5 Democrat
Representative Donna Sweaney Windsor-1 Democrat
Representative George W. Till Chittenden-3 Democrat
Representative Tristan Toleno Windham-2-3 Democrat
Representative Catherine Toll Caledonia-Washington Democrat
Representative Maida Townsend Chittenden-7-4 Democrat
Representative Matthew Trieber Windham-3 Democrat
Representative Joseph Troiano Caledonia-2 Democrat
Representative Tommy Walz Washington-3 Democrat
Representative Kathryn Webb Chittenden-5-1 Democrat
Representative Mark Woodward Lamoille-2 Democrat
Representative Michael Yantachka Chittenden-4-1 Democrat
Representative Samuel Young Orleans-Caledonia Democrat
Representative Teo Zagar Windsor-4-1 Democrat

Or, the other half of the Vermont State Legislature?

Please stop spreading mis-information!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:25 PM

50. You don't REGISTER TO VOTE BY PARTY, is that unclear?

You can obviously run as a Democrat.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #50)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:31 PM

51. Q: "Is the sun shining?" ... A: "It's Tuesday" ...

 

I guess people have been pedaling that fiction for so long that they have come to think that it is actually responsive to the question ... which was/is, "Has Bernie officially joined the Democratic Party?"

Here ... I will help him out; if he is so inclined:

http://my.democrats.org/page/content/joindnc

It's as simple as that ... there is no requirement that one be registered to vote as a Democrat, or even that one be registered to vote, at all.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #51)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:46 PM

67. lol.. so if Bernie adds his email address to the DNC mailing list, that sufficient enough for you to

call him a Democrat?

I think something like, dunno, RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AS A DEMOCRAT in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY carries a bit more weight, dontcha think?

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Response to yodermon (Reply #67)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:53 PM

68. It's not "me" that sets the membership criteria ... It is up to the DNC ...

 

That's from their Membership page ... so, yeah.



I think something like, dunno, RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AS A DEMOCRAT in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY carries a bit more weight, dontcha think?


No ... as that doesn't answer the question asked ... nor, would it satisfy the letter of some state election laws {EDT:} if they choose/chose to enforce the provision.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #50)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:49 PM

57. apparently so.

My governor, the Chair of the Democratic Governors Association, must also not be a Democrat since we don't register by Party here either. The arrogance of the Hillarians is probably their most annoying trait...all they know is inside their own little bubbles.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #57)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:28 PM

69. I suspect you should get to know your Governor better ...

 

Section 2. The Democratic National Committee shall be composed of:

(a) the Chairperson and the highest ranking officer of the opposite sex of each recognized state Democratic Party;

(b) two hundred additional members apportioned to the states on the basis set forth in Article TWO, Section 5(a) of the Charter, consistent with the full participation goals of Sections 3 and 4 of Article Eight of the Charter; provided that each state shall have at least two such additional members;

(c) the Chairperson of the Democratic Governors' Association and two additional governors, of whom, to the extent possible, at least one shall be of the opposite sex of the Chairperson, as selected by the Association;

http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/POLITICALMACHINES/DemocraticPartyRules.html


So ... It appears that your Governor is a member of the DNC. And, he is general recognized as being a member of the Democratic Party

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/politics/democrats-gather-in-bozeman-to-support-bullock/article_47d937f5-12f9-5fd4-8d79-32cdcef2d0d7.html

The arrogance of the Hillarians is probably their most annoying trait...


Actually arrogance is continuing to call someone a "Hillarian", when that person has told your, repeatedly that they support Martin O'Malley.

all they know is inside their own little bubbles.


Another sign of arrogance is one's propensity to, and frequency of, projection.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #50)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:41 PM

97. Nonsense....

 

All he has to say is "I am a Democrat." I won't even consider him until he does that. I'm not interested in candidates who my party in such disdain they won't declare that, even while seeking it's nomination.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #97)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:19 PM

101. He did the moment he declared he was running for president on the Democratic ticket.

He showed so much disdain for the party that he refused to run as a spoiler candidate.

Or would you rather him a spoiler?

This way all you have to do is vote against him and primary him. No splitting of the votes once the general rolls around.

And yet you would rather attack him for not sabotaging the Democratic party.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #101)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:32 AM

107. I would rather he openly and loudly embrace the Democratic party.

 

It's like he's embarrassed to be running for the Democratic nomination.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #97)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:53 AM

105. But you welcome with open arms DINO's?

I wonder, in your made up scenario, which is worse... A candidate that hates what the party has become or a candidate that IS what the party has become?

Hmm...

I wonder.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #105)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:36 AM

108. I reject that kinda bullshit rhetoric.

 


Claiming that HRC is a "DINO" is insane. It's the same kind of crap that hear out of the Teapublicans in their efforts to purify their party in a crucible on conservatism. Why the fuck are there Democrats adopting their rhetoric?

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #108)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:13 PM

112. Because she is economically neoconservative?

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:42 PM

3. Actually I think the important question is

Has the democratic party joined Bernie? If not I think they will. But then I am a lifelong progressive democrat. It is so great to campaign for Bernie, a democrat we can trust.

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Response to daybranch (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:51 PM

15. THIS. [n/t]

 

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Response to daybranch (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:57 PM

21. Bernie has never had a kind word to say about Democrats.

He has stated in the past he does not want to be a Democrat. Why would the Democratic Party join him? That alone should tell you why he has no Congressional super delegates while Hillary has over 200.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:26 PM

32. straight up bullshit

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:44 PM

38. I question your motives

 

As I also question the validity of your statement ...

Please give accurate citations, including direct quotes and dates, of these statements ...

EDIT: Don't bother ... You're gone ...

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:41 PM

52. bullshit. happy to prove you are making that up

 

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Response to cali (Reply #52)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:19 AM

59. That doesn't prove what you're claiming it proves.

A lady left her post at the VT Democratic party to run Sanders' campaign in NH.

Someone who quit their job at the Democratic Party to work for Sanders ... what are you trying to suggest that "proves?"

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:51 AM

60. you are ignoring the other piece of the post

 

And sorry I live here. I know. You do not.

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Response to cali (Reply #60)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:12 PM

66. Someone who makes statements after quitting their job is not proof of anything, no matter where

you live.

We all know how to read--it's not specific to one state in the nation.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:46 PM

53. NEVER is an absolute. Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

 

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Response to daybranch (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:31 PM

33. thank you. this isn't a sports franchise.

 

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Response to daybranch (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:34 PM

91. K & R! Brilliant!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:42 PM

4. He'd have to move to another state.

 

Just like here in Washington, there's no registration by party.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:44 PM

5. National registration?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

8. Never heard of it.

 

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:47 PM

11. I'm not sure how much clearer this can be made for you

Unlike the state you apparently live in some states do not have partisan registration. Which means the only way you can BE a Democrat is to say you are one. Which he has done since he's running for President as one

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:50 PM

14. no such thing

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:31 PM

34. make shit up?

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:57 PM

55. Why would there be such a thing as "national registration" when there are no national elections?

 

Surely you took at least one Civics class? If you did, you'd know that each state conducts its own elections, and within each state, each county or parish is tasked with carrying them out.

Tell me why you would think there was such a thing as a "national registration".

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

7. Thanks, I didn't know that. I was wondering how people could vote

for him in the caucuses or primaries unless he makes it official.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:02 PM

25. There are different requirements for getting on the Presidential ballot and

 

they vary by state. I think there are a couple, NH is one, can't remember the other, where he will have to sign a paper declaring himself as a Democrat to meet the requirements for the state ballot.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:51 PM

43. There are convoluted rules in the south, too

 

in some states, that you can only vote for a person if you intend to vote for them in the primary election or a candidate from their party.

I looked at my state's election laws and attempted to comprehend how they could A) be enforced and B) what, if any, impact it would have and C) threw my hands up and decided I'd just vote in the Primary how I felt like voting and be done with it.

If you can't figure out if you are eligible to vote or not eligible to vote, I'm pretty sure you are in good faith (that's a clause) casting your vote.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

6. Through the years he hasn't said kind words about the dem party.

That might be the reason for such low endorsements by his peers both house and senate.
No I haven't read any where that he registered with the party and I wouldn't look for it .

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:53 PM

17. but he has helped dems get elected and donated to dems

 

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:53 PM

18. I don't always have kind words for the Democratic Party, either, these days.

 

I believe those endorsements are the politically safe thing to do. They certainly don't affect how I feel about supporting Bernie.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:08 PM

29. You aren't running to be POTUS.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:16 PM

31. No, Bernie is, and the DNC has accepted him.

 

That's good enough for me, as I am basing my support on issues.

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:48 PM

41. I know this is not going to be well met; but ...

 

I suspect it is more than that ... How many members of the Progressive Caucus have endorsed Bernie; Hillary has 26 Progressive Caucus endorsement, as of last month.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/246845-in-house-liberals-side-with-clinton-over-sanders

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:22 PM

58. I don't know why you would think it wouldn't sit well with people here.

 

Clinton has the endorsements, Bernie does not. Clinton is running an old school campaign where traditionally this stuff matters. Everyone saw her husband lose his shit over endorsements switching from her to Obama. Invoking a spot on their shit list is something most people would want to steer clear of; that's human nature.

Sanders OTOH is running a different kind of campaign. Refusing donations from corporations makes his campaign tight and to the bone. His campaign is blossoming in social media with events organized by local supporters. It's a genuinely people-powered campaign that defies all prior ideas of how a campaign is run.

So, yes, Hillary has endorsements. The question is how much does that really matter. I guess we shall see.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #58)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:33 AM

62. Yeah? ... okay ...

 

keep telling yourself that!

But before you do ... why all the gush when Bernie got an endorsement of a Nurse's Union ... and the upset over a Teacher's Union endorsement?

(Your response sounds a lot let the kid denied the ice cream saying, "That's alright. I didn't that ice cream anyway!"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #62)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:24 AM

63. Good lord.

 

Pee-Wee Herman as I live and breathe. Not sure why I expected anything more thoughtful, really.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #63)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:37 AM

64. Yeah. Okay. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:36 PM

104. In politics endorsements have no tangible value.

They don't count as votes, they don't decide elections. All an endorsement can do is influence someone who respects the person or entity making the endorsement.

If people dismiss endorsements from politicians but put weight behind unions it just means that person respects the unions more than the politician. It's also why who the politician giving the endorsement is is more important than how many political endorsements someone gets.


Some people are affected heavily by endorsements, others give them no credence. Often an endorsement by someone you personally know holds much more weight than a national figure. Hence the grassroots movement.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #104)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:28 AM

106. Of course they don't ...

 

Thgat's why so many politicians work, so hard to get them.

Often an endorsement by someone you personally know holds much more weight than a national figure.


You don't think members of Congress, including the Progressive Caucus, know Bernie personally?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #106)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:40 AM

109. I was speaking of people voters personally know,

such as family and friends. Voters usually don't care who politicians personally know.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #109)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:28 AM

110. I'm not seeing many endorsements coming.

 

From people that know Bernie, either.

BTW ... Do you know Bernie, personally? Or, do you personally know anyone that knows him personally?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #110)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:08 PM

116. Not sure you are seeing my meaning.

Forget the candidates for a moment. I'm talking about individual voters. People vote for candidates for different reasons. Usually it's because they like what the candidate has to say and what the candidate believes in. People can also be influenced by who other people that they respect plan to vote for.

Often times it's family and friends that have the most influence, though it can also be national figures respected by the individual voters. Who gives an endorcement is more important than how many endorsements a candidate gets. For example, there are people here who hold Elizabeth Warren's endorsement over the entire rest of congress combined.

The reason politicians want endorsements is because it means more chances to influence people, and because they're competative creatures who like to win at everything. Not all candidates hold endorsements in the same regards.

Ultimately endorsements mean as much or as little as individual voters give them.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #116)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:17 PM

117. Oh. Okay. n/t

 

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:54 PM

44. First time I heard of Bernie was in 88, when he endorsed Jesse Jackson for President

That was one hell of a fucking speech. The Democratic establishment wasn't happy with Bernie, I don't imagine that bothered Bernie one bit.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:47 PM

9. He's a better Democrat than most Democrats.

 

The DNC has acknowledged and accepted him as a candidate. He's caucused with and voted with the Democrats for some 24 years. He's the ranking Democratic member on the Senate Budget Committee among many other committees on which he serves. He founded and still participates in the House Progressive Caucus.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:52 PM

16. Asking the important questions, I see.

 

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Response to AppalachianLeftist (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:53 PM

19. I go back to the old, old days when it was a hassle to get anyone but the party favorite

on the Primary ballot, so I was curious about possible roadblocks ahead.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:00 PM

49. If you are asking me to see five lights

 

I might agree with you.

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Response to AppalachianLeftist (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:57 PM

22. You are right, it is not important because Bernie will never join the Democratic Party

He has said so himself.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:02 PM

26. A Democrat In Policy Only.

 

I'm 100% fine with that.

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Response to AppalachianLeftist (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:32 PM

35. ^ this

 

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Response to AppalachianLeftist (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:55 PM

46. I love that. A Democrat In Policy Only

A DIPO

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Response to AppalachianLeftist (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:07 PM

28. Let's discuss emails tgat we're never lost or leaked.

Bernie's independent status is just as irrelevant.

It's a non issue and a waste of cycles.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:45 PM

39. I wasn't aware Bernie's independent status was a violation of State Dept. policy,

 

being investigated by the FBI and being excoriated by a federal judge.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:59 PM

56. You should call the FBI and tell them they're barking up the wrong tree.

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:55 PM

20. "Democrats welcome Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders "

 

DNC CHAIR STATEMENT ON BERNIE SANDERS’ 2016 ANNOUNCEMENT APRIL 30, 2015

Washington, DC – In response to Bernie Sanders’ announcement that he will run for president in 2016, DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz released the following statement:

“Democrats welcome Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders as the second candidate to officially seek the Democratic Party’s nomination for President in 2016. Senator Sanders is well-recognized for his principled leadership and has consistently stood up for middle class families. Throughout his service in the U.S. House and Senate, Bernie Sanders has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the values we all share as members of the Democratic Party.

“The Democratic Party appreciates the contributions that Senator Sanders, Secretary Clinton, and other candidates will make to a healthy dialogue about the future of our party and our nation. There is a distinct contrast between Democrats who are on the side of middle and working class families and Republicans who are concerned with the very rich and wealthy corporations. Over the next year, the discussions we have during our respective nominating processes will help make that choice clear.”

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:58 PM

23. I thought I'd probably missed it!

Good to know; thank you.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:55 PM

45. Now that you know the truth ...

 

Goodbye

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:06 PM

27. No he hasn't

 

Yet he will be the Democratic nominee! It's awesome!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:15 PM

30. Check out the Home page of the Democratic National Committee

https://www.democrats.org

If you think they made a mistake, be sure to drop them a line.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:50 PM

42. The party needs to join Sanders, it is a damn shame we have so few of his caliber.

Particularly at the highest levels Governors, Senators, and cabinet level appointees. Be lucky to have 25 anywhere in the same class active in politics today.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:56 PM

47. Not meant as flame bait.

n/t

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:59 PM

48. Who Cares ???

 

Anybody that wants my vote has to EARN IT.


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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:55 PM

54. TOPS

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:30 AM

61. He's endorsed every nominee since at least 1992

And Vermont doesn't have partisan voter registration.

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Response to jfern (Reply #61)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:42 AM

65. How is Vermont not having partisan voter registration responsive to the question of ...

 

whether Bernie has joined the Democratic Party? That hasn't/didn't stop Patrick Leahy or about half of the Vermont State Legislature from joining the Democratic Party.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #65)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:19 PM

71. How much difference does it make?

He's a member of the Democratic caucus, endorses Democratic Presidential nominees, and has won Democratic primaries before. Unlike the Republican frontrunner, he has consistently supported the party whose primary he's running in for decades.

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Response to jfern (Reply #71)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:03 AM

75. Well ...

 

It doesn't matter to me at all, other than watch you guys twist yourselves in knots with fallacious arguments.

But it will be equally entertaining to hear the wailing should one of the states enforce they primary partisan membership rules.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:30 AM

76. Now what did you just say?

"It doesn't matter to me at all, other than watch you guys twist yourselves in knots with fallacious arguments."

Again: what's the outcome you're looking for? Changing minds? Swaying people's opinions?

Or is it what you just said?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:04 AM

78. Vermont doesn't have partisan voter registration

So if they excluded him, they'd have had to exclude Bill Clinton and numerous other candidates in the past.

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Response to jfern (Reply #78)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:41 AM

81. How did Leahy get the D behind his name then?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #81)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:53 AM

83. He won a Democratic primary for Senate

Sanders did the same exact thing, only difference was he declined the nomination to run as an independent. Sanders caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate, and votes similarly to liberal Democrats. For example, he votes 94% of the time with Baldwin.

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Response to jfern (Reply #83)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:09 AM

85. The power of labels.

The power of labels, or party identification, is so strong that many would rather support a right wing Democrat than someone who actually represents what the Democratic Party should (and formerly did) stand for. It's like my dad supporting Eisenhower and years later continuing to support Republicans, even though Republicans of today have little in common with Eisenhower.

Party/label takes precedence over issues/values. Sad but true. It's part of that tribe mentality that's seemingly hardwired in us.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:42 AM

82. Kentucky probably will do so.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 06:52 PM

70. flame bait.

 

trashing this shit.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #70)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:46 PM

74. Red Alert! Defcon Bad!

Danger Will Robinson. Danger.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:42 PM

73. It takes time

The paperwork is brutal. Oh, and the edits of everything you've said about the Democratic Party over the last 20 years or so is very time consuming.

Be patient. I'm sure he'll get around to it when he can.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:46 AM

77. You don't register for a party in Vermont.

Bernie has campaigned for Democrats including Patrick Leahy and caucuses with Democrats. He is a Democrat. He has declared himself as running in the Democratic Primaries. Has to be a Democrat to do that.

Chafee was a Republican and is running as a Democrat. So, that's the way it goes.

It isn's a problem for anyone. Vermont has its own ways.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:58 AM

84. Charlie Crist

 

REPUBLICAN Charlie Crist lost his REPUBLICAN Primary so Charlie Decides to Become a ‘Democrat’, I don’t remember folks really caring about a candidate who was the REPUBLICAN Gov of Florida now suddenly a Democrat with the full backing of the DNC.

So why now the sudden concern for a person who is MORE Liberal and More Progressive then ANYONE Else currently Running for POTUS as a Democrat?

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Response to Perry Smith (Reply #84)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:13 AM

86. Could be that Sanders has always said horrible things about the Democratic Party?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #86)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:58 AM

87. Well from my POV the Democratic Party has done some horrible things that they deservedly needed

 

to be called out on.

As I recall Sanders has also said many positive things about the Democratic Party too.

I personally don't keep score on tit for tat quotes either of people running for political office I look at what they voted for or against, what policies they support and who gives them money. If they align with what I support they earn my vote.

Is there now a litmus or purity test for membership in the Democratic Party? I do not recall any such test when I joined the Party nor have I ever been questioned about membership when I vote. When did the change occure?

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Response to Perry Smith (Reply #87)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:18 AM

88. Party/label takes precedence over issues/values

As I said in my post above, the power of labels is immense. It matters not that the Democratic Party has moved drastically to the right over the years (some Democrats have the nerve to deny that that's the case, while fully recognizing that the Republican Party has become increasingly extreme). It matters not that neoliberalism is now (and has been for years) the dominant ideology of mainstream Democrats. Consider where various Democrats and Republicans stood on the political compass in 2008: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008. And in 2012: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012.

Just as it doesn't matter to my dad that today's Republicans are vastly different from Eisenhower, who my dad was a big supporter of...what matters is the label ("Republican", not where people actually stand on issues. Labels hold incredible sway over people.

That said, lefties have to take accountability. As Bernard Chazelle once wrote, "America has lefties but no left." Lefties need to organize locally (take over PTAs, city councils, etc.) and then move outward in order to eventually (it will take a lot of time) lay the groundwork for a truly progressive candidate to win at the national level. Until then, I don't believe someone like Sanders can get nominated.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:38 PM

92. Who gives a fuck... and WHY? If he by some strange twist of fate does win, he'll govern EXACTLY

 

as a Democrat (a REAL FUCKING DEMOCRAT) would.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:34 AM

93. people took the hook

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:33 AM

111. Give it a rest, already! Post #20 by RobertEarl answers my question in

full. Enough of the sniping, please!

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