For Those Who Like Bernie Sanders and His Ideas But Are Afraid He Can't Win

[L0oniX]

In all of these ways, Bernie's campaign is less vulnerable than Hillary's. Because he has a dividing wall between those he represents - the people - and those that would seek to control him for their narrow greedy interests. He's the safer choice.

Look - the next president will appoint two, if not three Supreme Court Justices. Given the ever-increasing power of this institution in our society, it's safe to say the future of our democracy hangs in the balance. So vote. And make sure everyone you know votes. And vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be.

But right now, if you believe in his wisdom, his forthrightness and his tenacity, then know that there's not a single good reason to place your primary vote elsewhere but for Bernie Sanders.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/24/1414892/-For-Those-Who-Like-Bernie-Sanders-and-His-Ideas-But-Are-Afraid-He-Can-t-Win?detail=facebook

much much more ...full article and video at link

[blm]

1. Democrats should never fear a match up of ANY of our candidates with the Republican nominee.

Common Sense Sanders is as deserving as anyone else to represent Dem voters. In some cases, more so.

[arcane1]

2. And he says he will only appoint justices who oppose Citizens United

[brooklynite]

5. So did Clinton...two weeks earlier.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. This is a position of his going back YEARS

Not new.

For example...

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/overturn-citizens-united2

And I could find even more going even father back.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Thank you for putting another

Lie to rest, Nadin. DU is lucky to still have you here!

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Some folks being pro-establshment makes sense

If I were in her place, take my word, I would be doing the same.

[moobu2]

7. Any Democratic presidents appointment to the SCOTUS would oppose Citizens United.

“I will do everything I can to appoint Supreme Court justices who protect the right to vote and do not protect the right of billionaires to buy elections,” - Hillary Clinton

[L0oniX]

8. Was that in her $200,000 speech to Goldman Sachs???

[Garrett78]

10. I can't help but wonder...

if that line of hers was written by a Burson-Marsteller advisor.

[moobu2]

11. Perhaps.

She's going to need as much money as she can get to win against all the unfair attacks from all the none Democrats.

[L0oniX]

22. So you're ok with campaign money from those that took our nation into a great recession. Got it.

[arcane1]

23. "everything I can" makes it sound like there could be obstacles to her decision.

What kind of bet-hedging is that?

[Amimnoch]

20. You mean like Justices Breyer and Ginsburg?

2 of the 4x dissenting justices? The 2x Clinton Appointees?

[arcane1]

25. Exactly!

[TBF]

3. Part of the reason we're seeing white male support

is that he is attracting the Reagan dems. They now know that trickle down doesn't work (because their job was sent abroad) and they know the big banks are only looking out for themselves. Many like their guns and God - and in that corner Bernie is not threatening at all. He's respectful on religion and doesn't have a problem with hunting as evidenced by his record. In fact, we all have seen his voting record in the Senate for decades. We can trust him.

[Uncle Joe]

31. I couldn't agree more, TBF

Bernie has the best chance of any candidate in reversing Reagan's toxic social legacy because he isn't wedded to it and at this point in the space time continuum mass epiphanies are taking hold.

We as a nation have reached a tipping point, too many critical social issues have exposed Reaganism for what it is, a national suicide pact.

[libodem]

4. He needs to win

We need a real President not a corporate hack.

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[Dark n Stormy Knight]

29. Great meme.

[libodem]

36. Thanks

[daleanime]

35. Nice.

Hope you don't mind me stealing it.

[libodem]

37. That's what it's for

Hope you do!

[TBF]

39. Given this quote from 2008

you could add Hillary to the bottom group re military strategy -

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/22/us-usa-politics-iran-idUSN2224332720080422

[cascadiance]

47. And to debtor's prison too if your children want to try to go to college too!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-things-they-dont-tell-you-about-student-loans/

http://thebillfold.com/2013/06/bring-back-the-debtors-prison-take-me-im-yours/

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/30/debtors-prison-is-back-and-just-as-cruel-as-ever/

[Vincardog]

51. we also have to drive his (our) adgenda deep into the Democratic Party Platform and get every

Democratic candidate to sign on and carry out those policies.

We have to stay active after the election to make sure they do.

[GitRDun]

6. I Like Bernie Sanders and His Ideas

I am repulsed by some of his supporters.

[daleanime]

12. I didn't know that supporters.....

were even on that ballot.

[kenfrequed]

13. Don't respond to this one...

They are clearly just here to attract negativity.

[U of M Dem]

15. I think this could be said about any politician.

Is this legitimate criticism of the candidate however?

Bernie, Hillary, or any of the 19 and counting on the other side of the aisle must have their fair share of difficult, or even bigoted, people supporting them.

Somehow, for some reason, however, Bernie's supporters are worse?

I reject that a candidate is culpable for what some of his or her supporters choose to say, but I honestly would like to know why the Bernie crowd gets such consistent criticism.

Perhaps it is because he is the fringe candidate?

[A Simple Game]

33. Here's what I think is going on.

Bernie is above reproach and when people listen to him they like what they hear. Non-Bernie supporters know this and as Bernie's record is so good know they can't attack him head on.

So what they do is start the meme that Bernie is supported by mean spirited, racist, misogynist, etc. people. They do this so people that may consider supporting Bernie will not want to be associated with his supporters and so they will stay away from supporting Bernie, not because of Bernie but because of his ill-mannered racist and misogynistic supporters.

[U of M Dem]

38. When in doubt, divide and conquer. n/t

[GitRDun]

42. Bernie is above reproach?

OK

[A Simple Game]

45. Compared to the rest of the candidates? Pure as the driven snow. n/t

[GitRDun]

41. It is not legitimate criticism of the candidate.

I do not fault Bernie at all, might even vote for him. And yes, some of his supporters are worse. They've gotten multiple posters I like booted from DU. They pile on in threads like no other candidate's posters.

There are some (only some) in the Bernie crowd that do most of the damage.

Their posts tend to be self righteous, arrogant tone, and when challenging others often mean-spirited. If you disagree with them you are an automatic Hillary supporter, and often described by them using offensive language.

I sat on the sidelines and chuckled for a long time, but once the site started losing good posters, I decided to engage more. And it's not just losing posters to jury hides. Some have stopped posting because they're sick of the fight. What some of these folks are doing is just wrong. And unless other posters step up and engage the site will become worthless.

[A Simple Game]

46. Could you name some of these booted posters, there may be some I liked? n/t

[GitRDun]

48. If you can't name them, I'm not going to help

And based on your response to the above reproach post, my guess is you would not like them because they don't drink the Kool-aid as some do in the Bern-geon.

[A Simple Game]

50. No more than I expected, thanks anyway. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. No.

It's because that's all they've got.

They can't impeach any of his policies because they all know he's correct on every issue. What's left? His supporters.

They've got nothing to throw at him that will stick. So far, everything they've tried has failed - White Supremacist Liberal, elitist, he lives in a predominantly white state, his supporters are racist white people, his hair is messy, he has a weird Brooklyn accent, he's supported mostly by wealthy white racists who drive Volvos and it goes on and on and on, but Bernie still pulls in huge crowds and that drives many here insane. I've noticed things get especially bad right after one of Bernie's huge mega rallies.

[passiveporcupine]

18. And all the Hillary supporters are just loved by all for their sweetness

I think I'm switching my vote to Hillary, because even though I don't like her, I love love love her supporters.













Do I need a sarcasm tag for this?

[GitRDun]

43. Lol

Vote for who you like.

[frylock]

24. understandable, considering that they're "liberal white supremacists"

/s

[GitRDun]

40. not true

[Romulox]

49. Tired talking points. nt

[kimbutgar]

9. Yesterday I was at a farmers market and they had a Bernie table

There was a lot of interest. I got a Bernie sign for my window. I learned never say never. Bernie is talking real issues unlike the meglomaniac orangutan.

[moobu2]

14. Bernie Sanders cant win.

It's pointless to even discuss him.

[U of M Dem]

17. Yet here you are...

discussing him.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

32. And failing to challenge any of the points in the article referenced by the OP as to why he can.

[L0oniX]

21. LMAO

[Zorra]

19. Recommend. nt

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, L0oniX.

[Enthusiast]

30. Drop kicked and recommended!

[DanTex]

34. "And vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be."

That's one thing we all agree on.