i think clinton is doing a fantastic job.

[seabeyond]

i like how she is running her campaign. very profession, solid, creating a strong foundation, state by state. smart. i can always appreciate smart. (but then, i see the same with omalley and sanders too. meh. democrats. they are good, hence lovin' the party). i like how she started and progressed. i do not care about the people that are gonna trash it. i think she has done a helluva a job. i mean. she has had the shits from here to there, throwing the email crap at her.

you go clinton.

i am respectin' your tenacity in the face of stupid.

gotta respect that.

[HassleCat]

1. She weathered the Benghazi thing

So she knows that the email "scandal" is likely to turn out the same way. It's already showing signs of winding down, with the revelation from the State Department that Clinton did not violate department policy. During the lull between non-scandals, the media may, accidentally, ask the candidates about issues, and Clinton should do pretty well on that front.

[seabeyond]

2. omg. benghazi. !!! kerry shot self in foot, gore invented internets, dean scream.

do we get it yet? or are we so damn self serving.

[seabeyond]

3. it would help if we had a faction standing strong, rather than using it for their candidate. nt

[seabeyond]

4. nc? still kicked for voice? glad to see you are still around. dems need to be kickin' some ass in

a handful of months, once this primary is settled.

actually, just giving you a wave of acknowledgment cause i know you have been silenced. and i do not cotton to that. having been there myself. but you want me to delete, let me know.

[adigal]

5. It's funny how we perceive things so differently

I support Bernie, but would work for and vote for Hillary if she is our nominee. BUT, I think she's a terrible campaigner. She had that petulant tone in her voice when defending against the email accusations and asked how she wiped the server? With a rag? Good Lord, I winced. What a ridiculous, out-of-touch answer. I think she was trying to be flippant, but it sank.

I'm worried about Nov 2106

[seabeyond]

7. "She had that petulant tone in her voice" i work hard at conditioned, knee jerk reflexive comments

like petulant.

i have no issue what she said to a repug, fox news reporter after having answered a number of times.

i am with her....

UNpetulantly.

[adigal]

8. Again, perception

You obviously are a huge fan and perhaps are a bit blind to some of her less stellar qualities. I hear petulance and annoyance. It's not a knee-jerk reaction at all. It's what I hear and you are insulting, saying I'm just acting and not thinking.

Not the way to get people on your side. Just saying.

[seabeyond]

12. i am not a fan of any muscisian, nor celebrity. certainly not gonna be a fan of a politician.

thank you very much

and no. i am not a supporter. i am still holding out for omally.

IF i were a supporter, i would hope discussion was possible regardless, and not so easily dismissed as a fan.

i am not asking anyone to be on my side. useless. i am stating my opinion.

to regress to petulant, to me, is like using her... tone. that, i call bullshit to.

petulant. what is she? a fuckin child?

[adigal]

13. Sometimes, she acts like one. And sound like one.

Wipe her server with a rag - I was so embarrassed for her and us when she said that.

[seabeyond]

15. and i totally disrespect this conversation, so.... done with this.

and my petulant self.

[2naSalit]

17. And I would like to add

that this is the very language used to reduce any powerful woman to dust just because she doesn't act like the submissive tart she ought to be.

Honestly.

This very point sounds so reminiscent of the faux outrage made after her "...stay home and bake cookies" comment.

[seabeyond]

18. "very language used to reduce any powerful woman to dust " yes. and

"submissive tart "

madonna/whore? and even that, ya. lol

ya. i gotta tell you, gave the poster benefit of doubt with first reply

[adigal]

19. Oh, bullshit. I never stand down for any man. I am an old school feminist.

Not one of these young ones who think feminism means you are able to show your body and no one should "slut-shame" you. I grew up adoring Gloria Steinem - women should be judged by their brains and actions, not their looks and sex organs.

If this is your best response to the FACT that Hillary gets a petulant tone, she is in trouble.

Who's knee-jerking now? Ad hominem attacks don't work on intelligent people.

[seabeyond]

20. old school feminist that reduces a powerful woman to a child? lol

[adigal]

22. She does it to herself with that tone.

I get that you will never see this. Most people can't see flaws in their heroes. I try to see the weaknesses in those I support. I like Bernie, but I dont know if he will get past that old "socialist" label. I try to keep an open mind and see things from other points of view. Then we can work with their flaws, rather than deny them..

[seabeyond]

24. tone, hero, .....

[adigal]

41. Another intelligent, well-reasoned response from you nt

[seabeyond]

42. i am so tired of people using language to denigrate. it is simple. sander supporter,

clinton supporter, omalley supporter. just not hard.

[beam me up scottie]

43. You do plenty of denigrating yourself, sea.

Like in this op you started to smear Bernie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251538185

[seabeyond]

44. where is the smear? calling him an independent? a mere man? not a savior? i think sanders would be

cool with all three of those.

where is the sanders smear?

that i like the dem party. that i like dems?

[beam me up scottie]

45. Uh huh. Tell it to the people who called you out on that thread.

You're not fooling anyone.

[seabeyond]

46. it was just more insults from you. you have nothing. never do.

and ya. you can throw out your last insult to me and we will leave it there, like always.

[beam me up scottie]

47. Just setting the record straight, your posts speak for themselves.

maybe du has been taken over by other than democratic. look at the way sanders, clinton, omalley treat each other. i respect each and every one of them and have stressed that point when i have seen the respect given to each other. i have not stepped into one sander thread where his position on issue is different than clintons and he challenges. nor omalley. nor clinton. that is what a primary is about.

what i am tired of is all the shit i stated in that OP and i hear it repeatedly.

if you do not believe it is happening, how about challenging it when you see it. as a sanders supporter, why arent you and the others that decry it is not happening, stepping up when you see it.

how about two OP yesterday saying because of rw smear clinton should be dumped. and sanders should automatically get to be the front runner.

none of these are fabrications, pulled out of my ass.

"Saint Bernie / Broom Hillary""Neither candidate resembles the caricatures "

i am glad you can chuckle at it. i am all over the board. at the point of hearing a mere man, an independent not even a member of democratic party that hasnt put in the time to build that party, is my savior pushing me to angry.

mostly i am fasinated by the evolving of this campaign. it really is very interesting.

your approach, "Sometimes I chuckle, mostly I just shake my head wondering what the real Bernie "

is excellent

yes, he has. 2000 he refused to say out loud that he supported gay marriage, was for civil.

Which of course is a meme you keep pushing when you know it's false, just like you claim he doesn't support minority or women's rights.

Yeah, I see you.

No one is making you smear Bernie and his supporters, that's all on you.

[seabeyond]

48. "you claim he doesn't support minority or women's rights." no i do not. this tells me how much you

do not listen

[beam me up scottie]

49. You claimed Bernie was campaigning ONLY on economic justice and you know that's not true.

as i know sanders is not racist, sexist or homophobic even though a large number of people were calling him out for running his campaing as ONLY economic equality and not discussing social just ice issues

Speaking of not listening, did you ever watch those videos that were pm'd to you?

The ones Luminous Animal sent you to prove you were wrong about Bernie's support of social justice?

Because if you had you wouldn't have made that claim.

[seabeyond]

50. "You claimed Bernie was campaigning ONLY on economic justice" yes. this i say and stand by

does that mean he has NEVER expanded on social justice opinion? no.

You claimed Bernie was campaigning ONLY on economic justice

yes

and recently he has been expanding. and he has been expanding cause he LISTENED

now. done

[beam me up scottie]

51. Really? Then how do you explain these videos that you won't watch?:

You keep saying you want to learn, why won't you watch them?

Afraid you'll have to admit you were wrong?

[adigal]

23. BTW, LOL? That's how you respond? Interesting. Nt

[cali]

25. funny. usually supporters of a candidate post more about their

chosen candidate than another.

[seabeyond]

26. then why are the sanders supporters so obsessed with clinton?

[cali]

29. no more than Clinton supporters are with bernie

I post more threads about Bernie than about Clinton. He'll, I post far more threads about Martin than you and you claim he is your candidate. But then you used to claim Bernie was your candidate. And yet you spend all your time praising and defending Hillary.

[seabeyond]

30. Geez Cali, really?

[cali]

31. really what?

[seabeyond]

32. Firstly, I do not have to explain or convince you if shit. 2nd, I have been clear and consistent

About my position. I have stated thru out the primary where I stand and it is well documented. Lastly, you all have been consistently calling me a liar and assigning me the candidate you want me to support.

This is not my issue, but yours

[Gothmog]

6. This Clinton campaign team is running a much more professional campaign than 2008

[seabeyond]

10. this is what i picked up day one watching her. and she stays focused.

i was obama in '08. i am seeing a totally different campaign from her, and she is much more in it. so, i am interesting to see how she goes. she has had a lot of time, and sec of state was good, for her.

[MaggieD]

9. I agree

And I'm loving the listening tour and the results from it in forming her campaign platform.

[seabeyond]

11. I'm loving the listening tour and the results from it in forming her campaign platform.

exactly. i too value that. and allows one to draw comparison. also the style as pres. look at obama. one of the things i really like about him. he listens and wont be rushed.

[cali]

14. it bears a strong resemblance to 2008.

[seabeyond]

16. i disagree. nt

[ismnotwasm]

27. It's nothing like 2008

Whatsoever. I'm getting involved locally with her campaign, and I'm very excited at the enthusiasm.

[seabeyond]

28. cool. mine was peripheral. i was obama. but... as an opponent they do not feel the same, either.

i have an activist 17 yr old feminist, liberal, supporting sanders and enthusiastic about clinton, drawing me in locally. (sons GF). it is interesting to see where we go.

[emsimon33]

52. Yes and no--This time it is a real revolution

Not any of that false hopey changey thing.

It is about taking back our country.

Let's get a million people in Washington, DC on October 17.

No, the corporate media will not broadcast the revolution but we will tweet, FB, and other social media broadcast it.

[HereSince1628]

33. Yes, I think it's clear that you do. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

34. So does Larry Wilmore:

[ismnotwasm]

37. ????

[ellisonz]

35. Why are you trying to spread unity on DU?

[seabeyond]

36. and so few get it, lol.

thanks for the laugh and the comment.

[ellisonz]

38. I shouldn't be one to talk

I had my fair share of timeouts and deleted posts in 2004. I miss the old moderating system

[seabeyond]

39. sheeeit,

with the old moderating system i rarely got a delete. jury system, up in the air, rolling the dice, merely 4 people that dont like me. not tough to do.

[randome]

40. New Presidents aren't always the same once they enter the Oval Office.

For those who have misgivings about Clinton, you should keep in mind that she is intelligent and her heart is in the right place. The only thing that matters after that is the quality of the advisers and consultants she surrounds herself with.

For those who think her election -metaphorically speaking- will be the end of the world as we know it, I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised.

At least keep an open mind.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[Thinkingabout]

53. I think you are right, she has worked hard during her life for the good of others.