Poll: is Bernie Sanders racist?

[MannyGoldstein]

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	Not racist
	46 (98%)
	Racist
	1 (2%)
	Virulent racist
	0 (0%)
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[think]

1. Bernie's a righteous dude

[Vincardog]

2. Well he IS white

[OnyxCollie]

23. !!!

[KMOD]

3. I voted no.

I don't believe he's racist. However I do think he, as well as many Democrats, and people in general, are tone deaf.

[juxtaposed]

5. i think the exact opposite? Please state your point, examples..

[KMOD]

9. OK

In a December Washington Post/ABC News poll, a survey that took place before the events in Baltimore but after grand juries had refused to indict police officers in Ferguson, Mo., and New York City who killed unarmed black men, 63 percent of white Americans said they were somewhat or very confident that blacks and whites are treated equally by police. Only 21 percent of African-American respondents agreed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/24/can-clinton-step-forward-on-race-without-leaving-white-voters-behind/

Now could you return the favor and state your point and examples.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. That's a terrifying poll result.

Amazing what people can't see.

[KMOD]

13. I can't tell when you are being serious or not anymore,

but if you are being serious here, I agree. The results are stunning.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. I'm being serious.

But I will point out that this is more of an example of ignorance than of tone deafness.

[KMOD]

15. either way,

it exists and is prevalent.

[Fawke Em]

48. It's not "either way," though.

It's a clear example of corporate media. Propaganda. Period.

Look, I was a crime reporter for 13 year, 12 years ago. I've been in PR/Marketing ever since, not because I was fired or let go, but because I divorced and needed a better paying job at more regular hours because my son was a toddler. So, I took my Communications degree and went into a very boring, but more lucrative field.

The thing is, having been on both sides of that coin, I'm VERY keen to propaganda. I actually HATE producing and have, thus far, succeeded in my job of now 8 years in not having to do it because they listen to me and WANT to be respectful to their audience. I'm paid well, have free health insurance and federal holidays. If all corporate jobs were like this, we'd be great as a company. Oh... I did starve for years first.

Our media sucks like shit. All of it. They won't question and, when they do, they're treated like Jorge Ramos.

This country is on a downward trajectory to "Idiocracy" faster that you know.

[MannyGoldstein]

53. Thank you

Very interesting post, because you have an inside view.

[PotatoChip]

28. I think Bernie has always been astute enough to understand a thing or two about white privilege.

In fact, his entire message for literally decades, could very easily be boiled down to a strong critique of unfair power structures of all kinds- not just economic.

And hypothetically, even if he was among that shameful 63% cited in the study, (which I very highly doubt)... he gets it now; as evidenced by his words and actions.

[ornotna]

39. I appreciate what you're bringing to light here

But.

"And these same polls indicate that Americans who lean left and have more education are far more likely to see some level of ongoing discrimination against people of color in American life than their more conservative, or less educated white peers."

With that said, how does this paint Bernie Sanders as tone deaf?

[KMOD]

42. I just think he was a little slow in addressing the problem.

There's a real movement, and it's growing everyday. People have had enough.

Please don't think I'm singling him out though. Most have been slow in addressing it as well. I'm sad just reading some comments here at DU. A select few have decided to make it a political game as to which candidate has been dissed more by Black Lives Matter, as opposed to addressing and acknowledging their message.

The Black Lives Matter message is very important, and no one should be playing politics with it, or dismissing it. It's happening, and it's about damn time.

[ornotna]

47. It is about time

And I appreciate your answer. BLM is very important.

[sabrina 1]

51. People here have always taken this issue seriously, at least they did when DU was a lot more

interested in issues and a lot of the great DUers who actually made this site a success, were still here.

DU has changed, eg, last year during the Ferguson Protests, something that in the past would have been a top issue here, few people paid much attention to the OPs put up daily by a few people. One great poster, finally left, citing a disappointing lack of interest and went on, as many of us do when it comes to issues like this now on DU, to other venues to continue keeping the issue alive. And it IS alive, just because the media left doesn't mean the protests ever stopped or the crackdowns and the arrests and the militarized cops on the streets doing what they did to OWS.

What I found interesting was how a few people here DID try to politicize it, but few of them were anywhere to be found last year on thos Ferguson threads. Not really interested I guess.

So yes, there are people whose only interest in issues is to promote their candidates. I eg, did not do that when AAs were furious with Hillary and all over Social Media were slamming her after her insensitive remark at the Black Church. I and others certainly could have posted OP after OP showing how she was losing the support of AAs.

But we did not. So the contrast re Bernie from some of Hillary's supporters who day after day tried to drag it out, was amazing.

But when you have been involved in something for years and watch people who never were interested, suddenly showing all this 'concern' you know it is not an issue they care about and won't, once it is no longer valuable to them politicially.

Meanting for decades, the killing of AAs by cops has only gotten worse and won't be fixed by politicians, it hasn't been and they've had ample time to do it.

Bernie refused to slam Hillary over her remark when prodded to do so by a corporate stooge. He was angry that they were making it a political issue, but sadly, Hillary's camp didn't react the same way towards him.

He has always been involved in this issue, way more so than any other candidate in this race, for decades. He has many friends in the AA community and people are going to be surprised at how much support he is getting from that community. But you'd never know it here, nor is it important.

Same people don't seem to be cheering for BLM anymore though. Since the protested Hillary.

[KMOD]

52. and you, as well, politicize it in your post.

n/t

[sabrina 1]

54. Pointing out a FACT is not participating in it. If it didn't happen, no one would be talking

about it. But it did, and it was vile. We are NOT talking about the issue itself, we are talking the deliberate efforts to use something that has been ongoing for decades, having shown no interest in it previously, regardless of WHAT the issue is for their own personal agenda.

I am very glad to see that this vile tactic has spectacularly failed, such tactics should never be rewarded. And it has left a very bad impression of those who TRIED to USE such a serious issue as this, for their own personal agendas.

[juxtaposed]

61. here i think the opposite in the real world not so much.. War on drugs disenfranchised 2 generation

s of black males from voting.. Stand your ground is nothing more that legalized lynching. Black lives matter, All lives matter, Some less than others.. I've seen race play every part of my life all my life on the news and any other place. I do not seeing it leaving soon.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. "tone deaf"?

[KMOD]

12. Yes.

HRC is an IT genius.

c'mon. Many posters here couldn't post a video or a picture if there life depended on it, and you expect HRC to be sophisticated enough to understand the nitty gritty of IT work? Hell, I know what it means, but only because my husband is an IT security geek. And by the way, it's very hard to wipe a server clean, unless you really know what you are doing. My husband could retrieve stuff from supposedly wiped servers.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Oh come on. At least when people were saying "she was pissed, and being sarcastic", that worked.

to try to assert that she actually doesn't know what "wipe a server" means- really?? No, she's not an IT genius, but she is, by all accounts, pretty fuckin' sharp. Again, Wellseley commencement speaker, Watergate lawyer, pictured sitting steely-eyed in the situation room as OBL was found, etc...

I mean, if she really doesn't understand about "wiping a server" maybe she shouldn't be in a job with access to sensitive classified materials.

But I don't for one second believe that's really the case. She might not be proficient at the actual process of wiping the server, but she sure as shit knows what the expression means, and she I suspect had she wanted to give an answer as to whether it was done at her direction, she would have done so.

[KMOD]

17. The fact is,

most people don't seem to understand this email brouhaha in general.
.
They hear talking heads, and republicans talking about it on the news and they're like "ohhhhh, that sounds bad".

The whole thing is a freakin' joke. What on earth do people think she was emailing.

Wiping the server, subpoenaing the server, are just terms to make this sound like a big scary deal.

It's a big piece of shit story custom made for people who don't understand it, and who don't like the Clintons.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. she needs to take it seriously, and I say that not because I don't like the Clintons, but rather

because I suspect she'll be our nominee.

I also understand why the Clintons have a reflexive, almost obsessive seeming need for secrecy. I remember Ken Starr spending 3 years in their underwear drawer. I get it.

But there are a few things going on, here: One is, it admittedly was a bad decision on her part to not keep work and private email separate. That seems pretty obvious, although there's nothing anyone can do about it now. But then add in "we arbitrarily decided what material we thought was relevant, handed that over, and did our darnedest to erase everything else before FBI investigators could look at it" and you can start to see why it's not just clueless people who might start to have second thoughts, but obviously some people fairly high up in our party organization.

I mean, surely you don't think the sudden massive uptick in noise about a Biden campaign just landed out of the blue, do you?

These are not stupid people.

I honestly think that what Hillary Clinton needs to do, what would be best for her chances of winning the White House, would be to stop thinking and operating like a Clinton. You look around at the big problems many people here have with her and her campaign (if you can acknowledge that not ALL of it is just "irrational Clinton-hate&quot I would wager that much of the wariness on the part of people like myself- who, again, not only has a long history of defending the Clintons, but could see supporting her in the primaries- has to do with watching her yet again run an overly "safe", poll-tested campaign, utterly refusing to give a concrete answer on potentially "controversial" issues which the beltway pundits try to ignore, but a lot of people feel strongly about.


And in dealing with stuff like the email situation- legit or not- same deal; she can't pretend like actually addressing this stuff is a mere annoyance, a speed bump on the road to the nomination. It appears, from her comments in Iowa, that she's understanding that.

[840high]

18. My 12 year old grandson knows better.

[KMOD]

19. Really?

Does he facebook, tweet, instagram? This is too funny. LMAO

[840high]

21. Really - when I have a computer problem

I call him. He started using a computer when he was 7 years old.

[KMOD]

22. most young people are very adapt at computer systems,

but that doesn't mean diddly-squat as far as this supposed story.

[Puzzledtraveller]

4. I had to, no one else did.

and it's so ridiculous I thought heck yeah, he must be a virulent racist, that' why I donated to his campaign and intend to do ground work for him in racist Kentucky.

[Warren DeMontague]

6. just look at all the white people who show up to his rallies!

You know who else had white people show up to his rallies? Hitler, that's who.

[Uncle Joe]

7. No but I heard that Bernie hates puppies especially when they sneeze.

Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.

[Metric System]

11. Pass, because this is, well, I don't know what this is.

[murielm99]

26. Me, too.

Why have this poll? Some of us have criticisms of Sanders. This is not the way to present them.

[beam me up scottie]

27. Maybe because some people do think he's a racist?

[murielm99]

30. Stop looking for trouble.

I have never seen him called that here.

[beam me up scottie]

31. Look at the poll and stop trying to pretend you can't see what's right in front of you.

Not to mention you rec'd an op that not only called Bernie a racist but also used a racial slur.

[murielm99]

33. I don't know Yiddish.

I answered the first part of that post, which I agreed with.

I will not apologize to someone who continually smears Hillary Clinton and looks for trouble anywhere they can find it.

And I believe that post was removed? You have nothing further to complain about.

[beam me up scottie]

36. No apology required, how about just admitting you were wrong?

I have never seen him called that here.

Yes, you have.

Just because it was hidden doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[murielm99]

37. How about you stop replying to anything I say?

As I have said, I have had enough of your harassment.

Admit I am wrong? You are wrong about everything from your smears of Hillary to your choice of candidate. Leave me alone.

I admit nothing to your continual needling and nitpicking.

[beam me up scottie]

38. That's not how it works.

Harassment?

You asked a question and I answered it.

You don't get to demand I stop replying to you because you didn't like the answer.

[WillyT]

20. I've Heard He's Anti-Raisins...

[romanic]

25. Real cute.

Now do a poll for Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

29. I'm going to kick and rec this so everyone can see who's pushing the 'Bernie is a racist meme'.

Thanks for letting the mask slip, voters.

Why not tell us why Bernie's a racist?

[MoveIt]

55. looks like 4 ironic, or unrepentant votes for racist !

Racist
2 (2%)
stonecutter357, Sancho
Virulent racist
2 (2%)
Puzzledtraveller, mr_liberal

[beam me up scottie]

56. The last two are being funny.

[hrmjustin]

32. Ridiculous poll!

[seabeyond]

34. new poll. has ANYONE ever, in sanders lifetime, called him a racist?

[seabeyond]

35. and then i saw two.

[steve2470]

40. Nope, not that I know of nt

[beam me up scottie]

41. Yes.

[seabeyond]

43. link please

[beam me up scottie]

44. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=552162

[seabeyond]

45. ya. i got those two. i saw it after posting. even wrote a post about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=554888

[beam me up scottie]

46. Another:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506371

"they are aware of what race of people are most likely to use these words."


Calls him a Jewish racist and throws in the Yiddish n-word for good measure.

[seabeyond]

49. i didnt understand his post, mostly

schwartza
Yiddish or German term meaning "black person". It is not a hateful term.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schwartza

schvartze
[shvahr-tsuh; English shvahrt-suh]
Spell Syllables
noun, Yiddish: Often Disparaging.
1.
a term used by some Jewish people to refer to a black person.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schvartze

i do nto get most of that post. i do not even get his point. i looked up the word. yiddish for black. looked at other sites like yahoo question. none of them said it was derogatory, or that it meant the n word.

saying black people know what race uses the word? i would imagine. it is yiddish.

but... what ever. k. so... i dunno. his post was not clear to me

[beam me up scottie]

50. Check the racial slur database, the second is the n-word.

http://www.racialslurs.com/search/yiddish

Their point was to call Bernie a racist.

They thought they could get away with it by using a Yiddish racial slur.

That is the point.

[reddread]

58. imperial grand wizard

of the woo tang klan
who seem to hold odd beliefs about demographics and politics.
why do people engage in non issues with non factual speculation?

[Skwmom]

60. What is the purpose of this poll? n/t