2016 Postmortem
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(96,882 posts)boston bean
(36,931 posts)Seems the doom and gloom conspiracy of media blackout of Bernie, does not exist.
Just like most conspiracies.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie surging....When's Biden getting in? Clinton in trouble, Where's Biden, Trump,Trump,Trump,Emails, Biden Trump,Trump, Bush, EMails, Clinto still inevitable, Maybe Biden,Bernie,Trump,Trump...
boston bean
(36,931 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)boston bean
(36,931 posts)is being blacked out of the media?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I guarantee that of Clinton made herself available, ABC, NBC and all the rest would have her on. Sanders makes himself available. She does not.
The talk shows put on most candidates to some degree. Fer Pete's sake they had Bibby Jindhal on after Sanders.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)Seems you do as well.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I never used the phrase "black out."
boston bean
(36,931 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Personally, for example, I would refer to it as bias, and limiting the debate.
A black-out is a predetermined plan to deliberately exclude all mention of a candidate (or subject).
I would not characterize coverage of Sanders of that.
It also varies. The media is not a monolith.
I must admit that when I hear a panel discussing concerns over Clinton's current problems, and the only "alternative" is "So will Biden enter the race?" with no mention of the growing strength of Sanders, it feels like a "blackout" and I might characterize it.
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Will that satisfy you?
You do the search of major newspapers, network and local news, and tell me why the significance of Sander's campaign is minimized again and again (saw it again today in Pittsburgh Post Gazette, a non-right wing based paper, but chained to corporate newspaper distributions) and do the numbers.
cali
(114,904 posts)of him. It is not a myth.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)can't blame her for avoiding them.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)She's above them.
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peacebird
(14,195 posts)Bernie doeq, and answers the questions asked (except those asking him to trash talk other candidates)
PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)It is true though, in spite of what some are saying on here. The msm really is blocking Bernie, and when it does report on him is being very slanted. I mean, look at Chris Hayes on MSNBC, rapidly becoming a giant, swollen right wing propaganda organ after being gobbled up by Comcast. Hayes actually AIRED about 10-12 minutes of a Trump stump (hey, that rhymed!) speech and then just mentioned Bernie.
We all knew this going in, though, and Bernie is very big on social media. He's reaching our millenial children (at least I have millenial children) through other means, and they are responding.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I must have missed it...
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Stretching the truth again? ... I am not surprised ...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders is mentioned as a little fly in the ointment, who cold not possibly actually win. Just a flashhpoint for disgruntlement of "the left wing of the party" before the real campaign begins. Hillary will likely win the primary. Only possible challenge may come from Biden. Bernie who? Martin Who?
I realize she also generates negative coverage. Some of it unfair and some of it self-inflicted. But the overwhelming narrative is that she's the nominee.
dsc
(53,397 posts)and got the message that they think Clinton in inevitable, the one of us has real problems interpreting what we see on TV because I got the opposite of that message. Prior to today, your point might have been somewhat fair, but really, that is what you saw today?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They may impose narratives, bit they do have to report the news. It's the slant that matters, and that has been the inevitable line always inserted about Clinton "she is likely going to be the nominee."
If conditions deteriorate for her, they have to report it...But even today, it's not being portrayed as Sanders gaining strength as a legitimate candidate.
If Clinton somehow regains her momentum, it'll be back to the same old "she's the inevitable nominee." If it goes in the otehr direction it'll be "Is there a candidate that will emerge who can be her replacement?, conveniently ignoring Sanders and O'Malley
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Bernie gains more attention.
senz
(11,945 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The more people hear Sanders, the more HC stumbles.
senz
(11,945 posts)The NYTimes has diminished/ ignored Sen. Sanders for months but is gradually, oh so gradually, coming into somewhat better alignment with reality. A fine example of Bernie blackout can be seen in today's Mo Dowd column. She goes on and on about voter boredom w/Hillary vs. Jeb, plays up the Trump phenomenon, and touches on Biden. Not one word about Bernie Sanders. It's like he doesn't exist. Dowd uses language very well and has unflinching insights into people, so the article is worth reading. She understands Hillary amazingly well.
But what's really telling in all NYTimes political coverage of late is the supremacy of Bernie among commenters! NYTimes readers feel the Bern most gratifyingly, and the comments to Dowd's piece are heartening and true.
Click on "Comments" and pick the "Readers' Picks" tab. They love Bernie.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-bush-and-clinton-dynasties-hit-trump-bump.html
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Dowd won't be able to ignore Bernie when he takes the lead.
PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)I went on the link and read Dowd's article which fails to even mention Bernie, as you said. But I want to build on your last line. The NYT picks comments had two of many mentioning Bernie. The Reader's Picks pretty much ALL mentioned Bernie.
We knew the msm would try and ignore Bernie, but he's getting the word out anyway. The man is proving more and more impossible to ignore.
When he wins a couple of primaries and Clinton's campaign is imploding, which it will, then we'll see phase II, which will be to ridicule Sanders. Finally, after it looks like he will be the Dem nominee, Phase III will begin - the attacks. Sanders this, Sanders that - they'll drag it all out, but it won't matter. Because Bernie will just keep rolling along, and there's really nothing in his past that can bite him in the butt.
If indeed Bernie is the next president, then the American people will win for a change.
Kyblue1
(220 posts)Another chapter in the effort to rehab the reputation of the Rethug Bush administration. Dick is such a nice guy because he likes to fish, and George is so peaceful since he like to paint.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)Ugh. Not a good look for a national campaign. No wonder he's never bothered with running before although he's been in politics for 40 years.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)He only talks about what he wants to talk about.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The moderator had an agenda and wanted to pin him down on foreign policy. (A little bit of "gotcha" journalism, but that's okay.)
Sanders didn't deflect or get angry that she was asking him about it. He said "That's a fair question...." and then he proceeded to answer the question. When she continued to press it, he didn't get mad. He elaborated on his positions in a reasoned way.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)started whining about the Press. He has had an absolute cakewalk, and you people aren't even happy with that. She did NOT set him up in any way. The guy got to complete his sentences, and he even got testy during that. The coddling is really inane and an incredible turnoff.
No wonder the guy has hid in Vermont for so long. He can't even answer questions about NATIONAL SECURITY and FOREIGN POLICY without getting testy. Can you imagine how he would have been raked over the coals if he had ran any earlier when he had to explain his party affiliations. OMG!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)how do you interpret Clinton's snide demeanor?
Talk about "testy." If I looked up the word in the dictionary, it would have the video of Clinton meeting with BLM as an example.
The man ADMITTED he needs to add more foreign policy positions to his own website. He ADMITTED it was fair game for the reporter to ask him about it and then he proceeded to try to explain that each instance of war is different - and it is.
Testy?
Whatever, dude.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Just because it's not up on his main campaign site, yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. He admitted his campaign is still very young and they're working on it. Bet it will be up by the end of the week.
But, for those of you who think his positions exist in a vacuum, I invite you to read extensively here:
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy-and-national-security/bernie-sanders-on-foreign-policy/
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)It was Bernie's very first questions about foreign policy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)R B Garr
(17,984 posts)Great example.
cali
(114,904 posts)Lol. And no the media hasn't coddled him. They've both ignored him and done stuff like going on and on about an essay he wrote 40 years ago.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They also claim that Bernie moved to Vermont to get away from diversity *wink wink nudge nudge*.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)Then how would you know the media is ignoring him.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Are you sure you're not mixing that generality with another candidate?
Reality is difficult in this race. I'm amazed at your ability to synthesize the campaigns at this point.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)He was even allowed to finish his sentences -- after he brought up a war vote, and he got testy about a couple mild follow-up questions. Unbelievable.
zazen
(2,978 posts)Attack his strengths. That's the strategy.
So, the famous video clip where he calls out the media by confronting the biased, inane, baiting questions of the reporters after a speech? He's "testy" and that's why he hasn't run for President yet.
HRC will be contrasted as "diplomatic."
Nice try.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)OMG, Hillary is so toast....
Let this be the beginning of the end to the MSM blackout of Sanders.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)He was asked a couple follow-up questions and he got testy with that. Now there is a conspiracy with the Press after one stinking interview? The coddling is really inane.
OMG, someone observed Bernie stumble in an interview -- **press conspiracy alert**
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)He was asked a couple follow-up questions and he got testy with that. Now there is a conspiracy with the Press after one stinking interview? The coddling is really inane.
OMG, someone observed Bernie stumble in an interview -- **press conspiracy alert**
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That was not testy.....And even if it struck you that way, who the hell minds a little testiness?
Every president and politician uses testiness as a tactic, including Clinton, Obama, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton...etc.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)mind
but, i did not watch video and i have no idea if sanders was testy or not
zazen
(2,978 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Where, exactly, did he get "testy?"
He didn't put HRC's campaign down.
He pinpointed why people are coming to his campaign in droves.
He admitted he needs to put more info out on his foreign policy stances.
He tried to answer her hypothetical questions about war in a reasonable way (she just couldn't seem to grasp that every instance of war is going to have a different and specific answer) by explaining his overall belief system.
I didn't see testy.
At least he didn't nod his head up and down like a Bobblehead and then chide the reporter - a non-politician - for not coming up with a 6-point policy position to present him with like that other candidate did to #BlackLivesMatter.
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)The repetitively showing trump t an event where e had a women in the crowd tough the whatever is on his head to determine if it is real or not. What incredibly vapid crap. I don't regret dropping cable one bit .
K lib
(153 posts)The corporate media's stance is if you aren't willingly to drop bombs and use military action frequently you are weak on foreign policy. Funny when they have war monger on like Dick Cheney and John McCain they never get challenged on how their policies on foreign policy is what caused these messes anyway.