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[ericson00]

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[Cali_Democrat]

1. Sanders loses to Trump and Bush?

[ericson00]

2. because people are discovering him now

and its not gonna get better for Sanders, as the smoke clears against this email "scandal."

[AgingAmerican]

43. He will own every Republican

Go Bernie!

[DavidDvorkin]

3. Those are all extremely depressing numbers

All but the last one, anyway.

[ericson00]

4. Obama needs to get his approvals up; tho I think he will

because next year it'll be easier for him to tout how much better off we all are under him than Bush-like Republicans.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I was devastated when Trump signed the loyalty pledge.

A third party run would have been manna from heaven.

[Politicalboi]

12. Do you think that will stop The Donald?

I certainly don't. His ego is much bigger than any loyalty pledge.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Hopefully it doesn't

eom

[ericson00]

13. I'm not. I'm actually happy

because if he did run and did what Nader did in 2000, Hillary wouldn't be able to govern. We all see how badly the Perot-spoiler myth hurt Clinton's presidency. If Hillary will win anyway, then so be it. Also, I think as Obama's approvals climb back, seeing how good he and his team engineer that, Hillary will win easily anyway.

[sorechasm]

5. This is not a good poll for any Democrats

All GOPers are within the margin of error of beating Dems, including unknown GOPers against well- known Dems. We need to get Dems in the news.

Is this because GOPers have started their debate season, and Dems have not? We need as many debates as the Republicans to make our positions known. The public doesn't care about the media but they do like contests and competitions.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. It's because our front runner has been a punching bag since March.

eom

[ericson00]

15. this is true, tho I think its because Obama's approvals are middling

middling as in being from 45-50 in most polls (those numbers are tossup, hence Bush in 2004 and Obama 2012, as well as Ford/Carter 1976); that is very different tho from sub-40, where the Dems would all be fucked, or above 50, where they'd be safe.

[jkbRN]

18. +10000

[AgingAmerican]

6. Considering the media blackout of Sanders

He is doing phenomenally well. Once the debates begin, they won't be able to pretend he doesn't exist anymore. I can't wait!

[mak3cats]

9. +1 (eom)

[jkbRN]

20. [phone]

[Fumesucker]

42. Which is why the debates have still not happened

[Persondem]

10. Poll has some good and not so good news.

HRC beats most all GOP-pers. Sanders is just shy and within the MoE.

Trump And Carson are the GOP leaders and both imo are unelectable.

Carson at 44% ... REALLY!? That's scary.

[Politicalboi]

11. It's still way early

Bernie just needs to stay in the race. The more people find out about Bernie, he'll get their vote.

Still voting for whoever is the Dem candidate at the end of the day. Be it Hillary or Bernie, or Joe or Martin.

[BooScout]

16. Hillary beats them all!

[cascadiance]

26. Hillary beats Carson? Poll doesn't say that.

[AgingAmerican]

45. She is barely ahead

Of a few fringe kooks five months out from the first primary? Not good news for her.

[jkbRN]

17. Err, we can talk when

1) Bernie has anywhere near the name recognition that Hillary has
2) The MSM stops deeming Hillary as inevitable
3) The MSM stops only covering Clinton/Trump policies and campaign events live
4) The MSM doesn't question Bernie every single time in the frame of Clinton/Trump

[ericson00]

22. Hillary is inevitable

which is the truth.

[cascadiance]

29. Why don't you campaign for us to not have elections...

If you truly believe that who we preselect is "inevitable" and that they are unnecessary.

[teach me everything]

39. Yup - She was inevitable in 2008 too. How did that work out?

[jkbRN]

30. Eeeek,

our failing democracy would like to thank you for your support.

[Scootaloo]

32. The more you say it, the less believable it gets.

[AgingAmerican]

44. She has been sinking in the polls since May

"She's 70 points ahead!" "She's 60 points ahead!" "She's 50 points ahead!" "She's 40 points ahead!" "She's 30 points ahead!"

What's she at now? 20 points ahead? You keep telling yourself she is inevitable.

[orpupilofnature57]

47. + 1000 Well Put !!!!!!!!!!

[jfern]

19. She's got terrible favorables in this poll

36% favorable, 55% unfavorable. You don't win Presidential elections with numbers anywhere near that bad.

[ericson00]

21. so I guess if its Hillary vs Donald or Jeb,

no body is going to win?

[jfern]

23. Low favorables = low turnout = Republicans win

We suck less didn't work last year and it won't work next year.

[Metric System]

25. Mid-term election turnout is in no way comparable to Presidential election turnout.

[Wilms]

38. Of course, it's not.

But what has that got to do with low turnout in a presidential election year?

[LettuceSea]

24. Ignoring the Biden numbers again? :)

Lol, sooooo transparent!

[ericson00]

27. because he's not actually gonna run!

and I'm not gonna give media pot-stirring airtime.

[LettuceSea]

31. Perhaps it was inconvenient to the point you were trying to make?

Baby games

[LettuceSea]

28. Anyone see the "voted for Obama/Romney" favorability section?

Lame that they don't give page numbers, but:

Clinton: Obama voters: 67%/20% Romney: 6%/93%
Sanders: Obama: 52%/16% Romney: 8%/66%
Biden: Obama: 70%/9% Romney: 14%/74%

[Truprogressive85]

33. All those Republicans are fringe candidate shouldn't she be in double digits

Tie with Dr. Carson oh boy

[phleshdef]

34. **Look at calendar**... nope still not the day after labor day. Still no debates. Still not one...

..primary or caucus has been held.

How many elections must we go through before we learn not to pay attention to ANY poll until these things that I've mentioned have happened?

[orpupilofnature57]

36. Hopefully this will be the last, MSM is also to blame .

[orpupilofnature57]

35. Keep clinging to anything but issues and history, she's Dropping for weeks now, Fact .

[LettuceSea]

37. Maybe we should bump the non-spin thread that discussed this poll from this afternoon

Despite our biases, there was some honest discussion from all parties in that thread. It SHOCKS me that the OP didn't want to continue that thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251568328

[ericson00]

41. that thread is ALL spin because elections are head-to-head contests, not..

check boxes for "I favor" or "I don't favor."

How about some respect for party heroes like the Clintons, will ya.

[orpupilofnature57]

46. Sure like the ' Good German ' .

[ericson00]

40. now is the time for all good Democrats to come to the aid of their party and nominate

Hillary Rodham Clinton

[book_worm]

48. Why is Trump or any Republican coming as close to the Dems as they are

that is the real question. Why is Trump even competitive? given his stands.

[workinclasszero]

49. Go Hillary!