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Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:13 PM

 

I Took A Lot Of Heat Here When I Suggested HRC Should Enjoy Her Grandkid, Wealth, Etc...

A few months ago I asked why HRC would want to put up with the BullShit.

She's rich, Bill's rich, their daughter will be rich, and she has a new grand-child.

And of course I was called sexist, misogynistic, ageist... every ist known to humans.

What occurred to me though, was this was more about my not understanding ambition.

If it were me... I'd be on a tropical beach floating in Mai-Tai's...

Maybe phoning in my pet projects I'd like to support.

But she wants this... and I don't know why.

Yes, yes... every Senator looks in the mirror in the morning and sees a President. Yawn...

Yet... She had to know the BS that was coming her way... she had to know that people were aligning against her just for this point in history.

And with her IT guy signaling he's gonna plead the 5th...

R U F***ing KIDDING ME ???

I just don't get it... I really don't.







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Reply I Took A Lot Of Heat Here When I Suggested HRC Should Enjoy Her Grandkid, Wealth, Etc... (Original post)
WillyT Sep 2015 OP
PatrickforO Sep 2015 #1
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #2
HappyPlace Sep 2015 #3
LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #67
Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #4
hifiguy Sep 2015 #99
MADem Sep 2015 #5
WillyT Sep 2015 #10
MADem Sep 2015 #19
sheshe2 Sep 2015 #46
MADem Sep 2015 #58
senz Sep 2015 #70
MADem Sep 2015 #74
senz Sep 2015 #75
SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #84
MADem Sep 2015 #91
tularetom Sep 2015 #6
WillyT Sep 2015 #9
tularetom Sep 2015 #11
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wendylaroux Sep 2015 #17
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senz Sep 2015 #72
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:18 PM

1. It takes a special person to be president. Apparently you need to be willing to sacrifice every

semblance of a normal life, bear nearly superhuman levels of stress, so great that your hair turns white even if you're young.

Swim around in a media fishbowl and live under a media microscope.

I'm with you. If I had just a tiny fraction of Clinton's money, say $5 million, I'd be set for life. Maybe I'd write, volunteer, be active in my community.

But president???

Never.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:20 PM

2. Ambition is a strange force, my dear WillyT...

It can make ordinarily sensible human beings do things that they might otherwise not do.

And Presidential Fever is ambition on steroids.

They say the only cure is..........well, you have to die to get over it.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:22 PM

3. I used to say, "anyone who badly wants to be a police officer probably shouldn't be one".

 

Kind of narrow, but I meant that too often they have a bully problem, what the power and should be prevented from serving.

I feel a little bit like that with both Clintons and many others who run for higher office: I'm suspect of their motives, I think they love the spotlight, and I think any of the good things they do are secondary to ulterior motives: the thirst for even more wealth and power.

I have no use for this type of politician, I don't trust them, I think that much ambition, express as it is and given the shenanigans that they get caught up in, are all disqualifiers.

The presidency is too important to be left to such people.

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Response to HappyPlace (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:19 AM

67. I feel about the same.

I wish sometimes that we could choose the Pres. and Congress through a lottery. They could each serve short terms, like around 4 years, and then we'd have another lottery. I got the idea from an old sci-fi book. I think it was written by Frederick Pohl.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:23 PM

4. The desire for power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

With apologies to Lord Acton.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 03:51 PM

99. This. +1. It is an incurable fever of the brain. nt

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:25 PM

5. She wants to keep working and serving. No one told Carter to go enjoy his grandkids.

No one said that to Colin Powell, or BILL Clinton.

So yeah, that kind of thing DOES sound sexist as hell. Particularly since Clinton has ONE grandkid, what, you want her to babysit the thing all day...or what?

So maybe you should just stop prosecuting that Fail meme--it doesn't do you any favors.

She's got time to enjoy her grandkid AND serve the nation.

And what her "IT guy" does is his problem--she's said, repeatedly, she wants everyone to get it all out there, and she said earlier today she'd rather he didn't invoke that protection, but it's not up to her.

I would suggest that sounds like maybe HE didn't do his job right--not her.

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:44 PM

10. She Has Served...

 

Though the BS during her time as First Lady, then Senator of New York, and then Secretary of State...

How much more do people want... how much more does she want ???

Talk about enough is enough...

You couldn't pay me enough to put up with the crap coming her way.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:04 PM

19. Well, golly, now I'm all confused. I thought since she was "just the wife" that all that work she

did as First Lady on women and kids, on health care, on human rights around the world, all that "didn't count."

I just can't keep up here on DU! Now she gets credit for those eight years? Why, that plumps out her resume considerably--I'd say she's spectacularly qualified to serve us as POTUS.


Here's the thing--you are not her. It's not about money, it's about SERVICE.

She has the skills, she has the enthusiasm, she has the qualities to do a superb job. And we need a superb, energetic, KNOWLEDGEABLE leader who has danced on the world stage and knows her way around the players--not a finger pointer who tells everybody what they already know, but doesn't have a path to solutions.

I'll agree with you on one point--I wouldn't want the damn job either. There are too many assholes in the world, who are way too eager to tear her down because they don't like her husband and because they are scared shitless that a woman will do it better--and women often DO do it better--they're better negotiators, they multi-task with aplomb, they aren't overtaken by waves of "Fuck You" testosterone that ebb and surge in some older men, especially, making them poor choices to seek diplomatic solutions (some say that "man"opause is worse than the women's "men-on-pause" but it's pretty much impossible for one person to compare the two, so we'll just have to wait for more evidence on that score--in any event, she's old enough to know better, and young enough to still remember the why of it all--she's in a real sweet spot in terms of her age and stage of life).

I think she's capable of real greatness. I think she should be given the opportunity to serve, and I'll work to get her elected in whatever way I can be useful.

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Response to MADem (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:57 PM

46. She is not done.

Some believe a woman is not allowed to be ambitious. Wow.

She has the skills, she has the enthusiasm, she has the qualities to do a superb job. And we need a superb, energetic, KNOWLEDGEABLE leader who has danced on the world stage and knows her way around the players--not a finger pointer who tells everybody what they already know, but doesn't have a path to solutions.



There are too many assholes in the world, who are way too eager to tear her down because they don't like her husband and because they are scared shitless that a woman will do it better--and women often DO do it better--they're better negotiators, they multi-task with aplomb, they aren't overtaken by waves of "Fuck You" testosterone that ebb and surge in some older men, especially, making them poor choices to seek diplomatic solutions (some say that "man"opause is worse than the women's "men-on-pause" but it's pretty much impossible for one person to compare the two


You like music MADem.

Here.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:39 PM

58. +1,000! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:40 AM

70. LOL MADem.

 

So yeah, that kind of thing DOES sound sexist as hell. Particularly since Clinton has ONE grandkid, what, you want her to babysit the thing all day...or what?


I don't think either Hillary or Chelsea would be too happy if they knew you called Charlotte a "thing." (But don't worry, I won't tell.)






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Response to senz (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:58 AM

74. I'm not the one who wanted her to go all "Aunt Bea" over the kid, mind you.

I think she'd rather be working on international issues than playing goo goo gaa gaa all day.

A lilttle of that stuff is fine, it keeps one human, but all doggone day? Naaah. It absolutely takes a village, so the thing to do is hand the kid off to one of the villagers and work on that jobs bill!

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Response to MADem (Reply #74)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:26 AM

75. No, I can't imagine her doing it either.

 

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:09 AM

84. +1

 

No one is saying this about Sanders even though he is wealthy enough to retire today and has taken many hits since entering the race. Things he wouldn't have to endure if he hadn't entered the race. But he is in it for the good of the country, not ambition. Yet we have enormous amounts of material showing him making deals with the party for decades, clearly outlining his ambition. But no. He is a man. That aspect is simply understood. But the little lady needs to go spend some time with her grandkids.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #84)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:56 AM

91. Yep, Bernie is OLDER and he has MORE GRANDCHILDREN.

Surely those kids could use some good babysitting from "Gramps!" He can take them fishing and show them the joys of stamp collecting, too! Maybe spin a few yarns about how things were when he was boy....

Some folks just aren't even subtle, are they?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:25 PM

6. Well if it makes ya feel any better she doesn't appear to be enjoying it herself

And all the stuff that's going down now is chump change compared to what she'll be faced with if she is actually elected.

She appears to be going through the motions, like she's only running because some people expect her to. She isn't an extrovert like Bill Clinton or Obama, she's kind of a bookwormy loner, not comfortable in a crowd, not outgoing, not a bullshitter like Bill, not a quick thinker like Obama.

IMO, she's beginning to doubt that she really wants to do this.

And I don't think the country needs a POTUS that has any doubt.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:41 PM

9. But That's My Point... Why ???

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:45 PM

11. Somebody keeps pushing her?

Who would have a big enough ego to do that?

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Response to tularetom (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:50 PM

13. Yes, like a good woman she does what her husband tells her.

You really nailed it and should be so very very proud.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:11 PM

24. Bill Clilnton always said she was the smarter of the two. I rather doubt he "pushes" her to do

any damn thing. Hell, he's lucky she knows how to exercise restraint--anyone else would have "pushed" HIM down a long flight of stairs!

These conversations are just so...I dunno....



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Response to tularetom (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:59 PM

17. omg!

that is just sad looking!

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Response to tularetom (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:25 PM

28. Bill's Re-election...No one mentions what role he will play as the "First Man"

if she's elected. Its Clinton Power. Two for the Price of One.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 03:55 PM

100. Looking back on all of Bill's "accomplishments"

 

like NAFTA, "welfare reform", "criminal justice reform," the Telecom Act, and "banking reform" may the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the FSM and Princess Celestia please, PLEASE deliver us from such a horrible fate. Haven't they destroyed enough?

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:48 AM

72. This is true. I think she'd rather dispense w/the campaign and just "be president."

 

I heard years ago that after his second term was up, Bill wanted to get back to the White House, so he talked Hillary into it. If I'd been her, I'da thrown another lamp at him.

Yeah, she doesn't seem to have any real heart for the job. It's not a good situation for her or the country.

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Response to senz (Reply #72)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:14 PM

93. It's fascinating what one "hears".

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/lamp.asp

As to where the rumor might have come from, in May 1993 columnist Molly Ivins wrote the following, which she'd harvested from an article in Time about the Clintons' first one hundred days in the White House:

A Republican consultant told a network newscaster that his job was to make sure Hillary Clinton is discredited before the 1996 campaign. Each day, anti-Hillary talking points go out to talk-show hosts. The rumor machine is cranking out bogus stories about her face (lifted), her sex life (either nonexistent or all too active) and her marriage (a sham). Many of the stories are attributed to the Secret Service in an attempt to give the tales credibility.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #93)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:31 PM

95. Ah. So if any unflattering talk was untrue, then all unflattering talk is untrue?

 

I have always disliked the anti-Hillary smear campaigns, and during the Clinton presidency, I was one of her staunchest defenders. I can't stand the way Republicans treat Democratic First Ladies.

But that little chit-chat about Bill's wanting to get back into the WH sounded entirely possible. And no, it is nowhere near the reasons I don't prefer her for president, nor does it explain her tenuous, disconnected behavior of late, which is what we were talking about. I don't think she enjoys running for president. I she loved people, she might enjoy it better.

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Response to senz (Reply #95)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:43 PM

97. Well, THAT "unflattering talk" is a fabrication.

You chose to employ it.

You're welcome to jump to conclusions about "all unflattering talk". I did no such thing.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:08 PM

92. For someone as reluctant as you imagine she is, she sure has a full schedule.

So, whatever.

I don't think she has ANY doubts.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:27 PM

7. Keep clinging to the IT guy! The story's going to break wide open soon!!!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:35 PM

8. Well

If I were 74 years old, Bernie will be 75 if he wins the nomination, I too would be sitting home "retired" taking it easy with my grandchildren, my wife, and my friends. So whats your point? Sure she has money, but when someone wants serve their country, and Bernie is the same, why should they stop doing what they want to do?

Nice job putting in the email thingy!



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Response to Andy823 (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:32 PM

53. Clinton is 67, Biden 72, Bernie 73. There really isn't much difference in age there.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:41 AM

71. So they should all retire?

 

Glad that's settled...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:48 PM

12. Why is Bernard Hopkins still boxing at 50?

eom

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:45 AM

78. Clearly, he's a power mad megalomaniac who loves getting punched?

Wants to get a role in the remake of Rocky?

Wait, doesn't work either,. Stallone probably has a copyright on that.

One of my favorites...



Okay, I got nuthin'

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:52 PM

14. You do not get it? I agree. Full stop.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:53 PM

15. it is sexist. did you say the same about ted kennedy ?

Why he stayed in the Senate until he died ?

Bernie sanders is older than Hillary and he would be able to retire into a nice lIfe.

Which candidate isn't going to get someone to go after them.

I'm not seeing your point in any of this.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:02 PM

18. Like I Said... It's About Ambition... And I Don't Get It...

 

The last years of my life, would not be as a 82 year old yelling on the phone to his stock broker, "Sell, sell, sell !!!"

I want the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of my labor before I die.

And I too, wanted to elect the first woman President of the United States.

She told me she was not interested...


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Response to WillyT (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:04 PM

20. anyone who runs for president is ambitious so why do you only have a pRoblem with hillary ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:07 PM

22. Of Course You Are Correct... But She Has Served As First Lady, Senator, SoS...

 

IOW - She has served plenty...

Same with Ted Kennedy... hell his whole family resisted him in doing it...

So what is it... an addiction ???

I really don't know.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:46 PM

39. And with all the hell she's gone through already

why would she want more?
Even if you knew it was all kabuki theater, it would be difficult to have shit thrown at you every day for 30 plus years (I'm thinking of FL of Arkansas too). At some point you might say, "Enough already!"

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Response to WillyT (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:01 PM

47. And that woman you were claiming to support, Senator Warren is a very wealthy woman.

 

She's worth many millions and more rolls in seven figures a year. She was far, far richer when she first came to office than either of the Clintons were. Warren has also been a US Senator and if seeking the Presidency she too would be seeking more as an already very accomplished person.
So you were totally eager to see a person who did no public service for 30 years as a Republican taking huge fees from big corporations as a consultant, who amassed a large fortune, switched Parties, became a Senator run for higher office in her sixties. But Hillary fails because of wealth and having been a Senator and you go about mentioning that she should enjoy her grand children? Elizabeth Warren has three grandchildren.

So it is certainly that old Double Standard. That which is virtue in one is sin in the other. It's the mark of the conservative animal.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #47)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:36 AM

69. Thank you.

Excellent post, Bluenorthwest.

So it is certainly that old Double Standard. That which is virtue in one is sin in the other. It's the mark of the conservative animal.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:06 PM

21. I think the point is about the bull she has to put up

with. And has put up with for many years.

Most of us would have given up long ago if we had been put through this.

We are not saying she has to quit. Just asking why she is willing to face it.

I personally think it has to do with wanting to be the first woman president. To go down in history.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:10 PM

23. That's Kinda Where I've Landed... But I Still Don't Get It...

 

She has no responsibility to be the first woman President.

It will come.


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Response to jwirr (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:48 PM

43. Oops should have read down a bit further before I posted!

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:13 PM

26. Robert Byrd. Strom Thurmond.

It's OK if you're a grape smuggler...?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 09:58 PM

16. She certainly has the ambition, but

there is more to it. Let's forget for a moment all
her admirers, and look at what is happening to
the country, and who wants to keep the status quo.

Those are the powers pushing and supporting her.
When the repugs quietly say they would be satisfied
with either HRC or Jebbie, then you know, who and
what is pulling the strings behind the scenes, imo.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:27 PM

30. +10

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:13 PM

25. You could say the very same things about Senator Sanders.

He wants this too.

HE could retire.

HE could be on a beach enjoying cocktails.

… and I am sure He has to know the BS that will be thrown his way as well.

Bernie has seven grandchildren. Why does he want to put up with this BullShit?


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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:20 PM

27. Awww, but he's in the boy's club, doncha know!!!



They don't get the same degree of scrutiny...the women have to do the same thing, backwards, and in high heels, you see! Twice as good to get half the credit....

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:35 PM

34. I cannot disagree.

imagine for one moment if SoS was found to have had a child out of wedlock… just saying that as a purely hypothetical thought…

The double standards really irritate me. I have my issues with HRC from a purely political POV, but OP's like this are just wrong.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:39 PM

36. Right on the money. nt

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:48 PM

42. Nailed it.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:28 PM

31. No you can't say the same thing about Bernie

because he hasn't been endlessly investigated for the last 22 years. Hillary has been. We'll have Whitewater 2.0 for as long as she's politically active and the country will suffer for it. When does the good of the country become more important than Hillary being the first female president?

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:29 PM

32. I can, and I did.

I addressed what the OP wrote about.

You brought a red herring (IOW, nothing the OP mentioned) into the discussion.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:29 PM

52. Allow me to piggyback on your comment.

Sanders is trying to change things. Hillary’s running to be president - big difference.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:49 AM

90. the Clintons ushered in a cottage industry of media opportunism

...which none of our nominees are immune from.

Funny that now folks are reduced to pointing to the politically-motivated attacks (most sponsored and furthered by big money conservatives) as some disqualifier. Doesn't occur to you that none of these scandals have produced anything more than innuendo and smears?

It's all certainly tailor-made for her opponents - not very inspiring to see the right-wing attacks leveraged by Democratic opponents. Pretty soon we'll have our own franchise of smears to call our own.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 03:59 PM

101. If Warren had run I doubt Sanders would have.

 

She had perfectly good reasons for declining to do so, ones I respect.

I think Bernie looked around after that and said, "someone's gotta do it, and I don't see anyone else stepping up, so I guess I'd better get moving."

Bernie Sanders hasn't spent the last 30, 20, 10, or 3 years laying awake at night and trying to figure out how he was going to become POtUS.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:26 PM

29. Bernie? "every Senator looks in the mirror in the morning and sees a President. Yawn..." nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:30 PM

33. Bernie Did Not Want It... He Said He Would Only Do It With Grassroots Support... I Think...

 

He Was Hoping Elizabeth Warren Would Jump In.



She did not...

Hell... I was for Elizabeth Warren before Bernie Sanders.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:39 PM

35. No one decides to run for President if they don't want it.

and never, in all the friday's with Bernie that I have listened to on Thom Hartman do I ever recall him saying he wished Elizabeth Warren would run.

IF I am wrong, I am willing to be wrong, but I don't think he ever even insinuated such a thing.

He wanted to run, and he wanted to make sure he has the support to run before he made that choice. Make no mistake, he wanted to run.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:42 PM

38. True... I Assumed... And You Know What Happens Then...

 

I just assumed that if she wouldn't, he would.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:03 AM

61. Thanks for the response Willy.

Appreciated.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:48 PM

41. Do you include Trump in that?

I don't think that he really wants to do the hard work.
Yet he is leading his pack.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:38 PM

57. Trump had to run

Because everyone else is a loser
What other choice did he have?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #41)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:00 AM

60. I don't care about Trump. he's not part of this conversation.

I am responding to the OP.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:48 PM

44. Of course he wants it.

He wouldn't be running if he didn't want it...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:40 PM

37. It's pretty obvious, and if I am right, a sad thing

The legacy of being the first woman president, and a strong one at that.

President Obama is pretty open about wanting some sort of legacy, but he seems picky. Hillary, if she wins, becomes the George Washington of the new era.

Like it or not, that has to be hard to turn away from.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:53 PM

45. So, if you disagree seriously with

her policies, we still should vote for her because
of her gender?
I don't mind a strong woman, but certainly one,
who is supporting illegal wars.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:08 AM

63. No, I personally don't think so

I want the best person for the job, not the appropriate next gender or race "barrier" candidate.

I just think it's sad that the idea of a legacy is even a part of the pomp of the position- it may be the highest office, but they are still a public servant, and should act as such.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:46 PM

40. Still kind of ist, imho.

Well, not kind of, pretty much totally.

And I don't support Clinton.



and

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:09 PM

48. Well, WillyT...

You are a man, how could you get it?

I Took A Lot Of Heat Here When I Suggested HRC Should Enjoy Her Grandkid, Wealth, Etc...A few months ago I asked why HRC would want to put up with the BullShit.


Some women just want to make this a better place for children and their future. I just do not understand your concern to make an OP out of this. What concerns me, is your concern about this. Do women need to sit back and be silent?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:16 PM

49. Not happy with one foot in mouth

OP decides to double down. And you worry about the shit coming Clinton's way?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:24 PM

50. Indeed your critique has a tinge of sexism

And the 5th Amendment is a right we all enjoy, exactly so as to make life a little more challenging or the Trey Gowdys and Ken Starrs of the world.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:26 PM

51. Yeh, you're right. You totally don't get it.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:33 PM

54. Yeah Willy, you don't get it because you have a willy!

I'm kidding of course.

Cheers!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:35 PM

55. She wants to go down in history as the first woman president.

I think she also believes he needs to be president to do some of the things she wants to get done--but she has made so many compromises and deals along the way, that she has probably boxed herself into an ugly corner.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:38 PM

56. Perhaps, it's not your understanding of "ambition"; but rather, ...

 

your lack of understanding of "public service."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:02 AM

79. Well,

I think is is about mansplain'in.

A woman should know her place. It's a mans world after all. Yikes! Men telling us what our ambitions should be. Next they will be telling us how to regulate our bodies.

Oh, wait, they already are.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:50 PM

59. It's her calling. That's what you don't get.

Moses, Joan of Arc,Davy Crockett, Francis of Asissi, Ghandi, RFK, and even Bernie Sanders.

Many more have had visions that go beyond materialism and personal comfort.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:07 AM

62. Have a theory about her

…..concerning her bottomless ambition, and I'm not sure DU is the venue for such arm chair psychology, but as a lifelong Democrat I'll wade in:

I think the Monica/Bill stuff was unbearable, because of the relentless public humiliation that went on for years. Even after he was out of office. It was pretty horrifying and went on and on. And on. And was always public. Did I mention humiliating? Anyway, I think it changed her, kind of killed off something. It's partly why she always sounds so fake. She's lost the usual ability to actually feel anything. And she determined to set right their legacy in history—to get them back into the WH-- and to give the finger to all those persecutors. This Shakespearean drama is understandable but not good for the county.

Not going to get into a debate with anyone about this, but it's my theory.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #62)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:15 AM

65. It's not a bad theory

And she deals with it ALL the time- not just in the form of witch hunting, but as someone put it at Obama's inauguration: "Look, Bill's getting really familiar with that female who is not his wife..." other person: "...That's just Bill!"

On a deeper level though, the Clintons have been adopted into "The Family," and not just any part of it- into Bushco. Who knows if they were well meaning before they signed their souls to set their children up in the 1%, but we know where they are now.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:32 AM

68. Oh right.

The Family. How could I forget?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:12 AM

64. What happened to all the PUMAs? Are they still out there? nt

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:17 AM

66. Willy

Please stop this.

You know what I am talking about.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:52 AM

73. Uh oh. Now you got me wondering what he's doing.

 

But don't tell me; I prefer to keep my illusions about people.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:34 AM

76. Addiction meet power. Power meet addiction.

Doesn't that normally explain political ambition?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:34 AM

77. She has explained it many times.

Public service.

Do you read replies to your posts?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:29 AM

80. Why are you saying Hillary needs to go home and play with her granddaughter? This is a problem

which is easily solved and some people needs to get past. Women are not going to stay home and barefooted, we are very functional in the work force, get past this foolishness.

My next question is why isn't Bernie home playing with his grandchildren? He has had grandchildren longer than Hillary, perhaps he should take you advice and go home and play with them.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:51 AM

81. Some people simply can't wrap their head around the fact that women can be ambitious.

 

The thought you pose is truly offensive and short-sighted.

Can you link to the post where you have questions Jeb's ambition considering the illegal activity being discussed about him? To be clear, where you questioned his ambition alone, not his character. How about the ambition of any man in politics who has the media and whole opposing party working against him. Once again, ambition, not character.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:52 AM

82. There is no dignity in being a quitter

Better to live fifty years on your feet than one hundred years on your knees.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:02 AM

83. Tedious. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:13 AM

85. Bernie is rich, has been in govt 30 years, and has grand kids too.

 

So it does seem a bit sexist/misogynistic that you would suggest only the woman stay home. Hope that clears it up.

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #85)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:28 AM

86. "Bernie is rich" LMFAO ...and then there are facts.

 

Here I'll help you since you seem to be new at this.

Bernie Sanders Among Least Wealthy Senators
http://digital.vpr.net/post/bernie-sanders-among-least-wealthy-senators
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Sanders had an estimated net worth of $330,000 in 2013, according to financial disclosures filed with the U.S. Senate and analyzed by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, a watchdog group that tracks money in politics. But that's a relative pittance on Capitol Hill, where the median net worth for a member of Congress topped $1 million in 2013, according to the Center's analysis. In the Senate, Sanders is downright poor: the median there was about $2.8 million.

"Congress is a special, elite set," said the Viveca Novak, the Center's editorial and communications director. "Most members of Congress are millionaires."

And Sanders is pretty poor by senatorial standards, Novak said: Based on his 2013 financial disclosure forms, the independent ranked as the 86th richest member of his chamber.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/08/421151627/sanders-among-the-least-wealthy-presidential-candidates

Do you need more? Try to remember that Google can be your friend.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #86)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:41 AM

88. LOL. $330,000 year is RICH. Yes, it is.

 

And that doesn't include his platinum healthcare benefits and pension.

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #88)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:38 PM

103. $330,000 is his net worth not his yearly

compared to clintons 21 mill it is not rich

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #103)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:09 PM

105. Yer wasting your keyboard. Some people will never accept the facts.

 

I'm surprised that so many need lessons on how to Google. I hear the lessons are free at one's local library.

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #103)

Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:20 PM

107. Bernie makes $175,000 a year...not a working class amount

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #107)

Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:22 PM

109. And yet he has spent his entire life fighting for the working class.

 

Can't say that about any other candidate.

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #88)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:07 PM

104. Yeah he's a regular at 940 Park Ave.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:36 AM

87. she should just stay home and bake cookies?

...by the way, 'bs' is coming for any Democratic nominee.

The scandal stuff you and most opponents have been throwing at her will shrivel away into a big shrug; more importantly, distracting from the policy questions and concerns she's actually vulnerable on.

This post reflects what most ambitious women get when they dare to push past obstacles and reach for the top rung of the professional or political ladder. Each and every one of the candidates can be asked this question; most notably, of the 70-plus year-old Senator from Vermont. She doesn't have any less of a valid reason for running than this man who's been entrenched in Washington politics for decades.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:45 AM

89. Ambitious women are so silly. Its just makes no sense!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #89)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:21 PM

94. Most of us love Elizabeth Warren & wanted her to run.

 

Has it ever occured to you that a woman is more than just "woman?" That there are differences between and among women? That what we reject in Hillary has nothing to do with her gender?

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Response to senz (Reply #94)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:19 PM

96. Yet men rarely get criticised for daring to WANT to be President.

Why would a woman, a woman who has been first lady, a woman who has been a senator, a woman who has been Secretary of State ... why oh why would she ever in a million years want to put herself through all the hassle of becoming President.

It just makes NO sense!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #96)

Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:19 PM

108. Do you hear such criticisms of Carly Fiorina?

 

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Response to senz (Reply #94)

Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:56 AM

106. The OP speaks of wealth and grandchildren, Warren is also a multi millionaire with 3 grandkids.

 

It would not be right to suggest that Warren, having earned many millions as as corporate consultant, an author, a professor and a United States Senator might want to retire and enjoy her wealth and grandchildren.
I offer that speaking of the differences between them is not the same as ragging on one of them for traits they both share. I offer that 'old rich grandma' is not really proper criticism, particularly when it is leveled only at one elder wealthy grandma and not to the others.

Having a political rival does not absolve a person of basic decency and a need for equity.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 03:49 PM

98. She has been running for POTUS non-stop for 15 years.

 

She's addicted to it by now, Willy.

Like Richard Nixon was, she is obsessed with holding the office for the sake of holding the office and nothing more. There's no big plan or goal, she won't answer any direct questions, it's just an all-consuming obsession with the office at this point and a titanic sense of entitlement to it. Just like Nixon in that respect.

Whatever underlying goal she may have once had, if she ever had one at all, has long been forgotten. Why else would she spend so much time buddying around with some of the vilest people on earth (Kissinger, Blankfein, Murdoch to name just three)? There's nothing left of her but blind, naked ambition for its own sake.

No Clinton has ever had any core principle than self-advancement by any means necessary.

And that is why we need Bernie so badly.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:06 PM

102. History.

When you're rich as all get out, what else is there left?

To go down in the history books. To be remembered for centuries, even millennia.

She wants to be 'the first female President' to assure her place in history.

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