So Hillary has started lobbing digs at Bernie.

[99th_Monkey]

Last edited Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:40 PM - Edit history (3)

Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders: Waving Your Arms Doesn’t Mean a Lot
“You can wave your arms and give a speech but at the end of the day are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either saying to you or wishing that you would say to them?” Mrs. Clinton told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell on Friday, without directly naming Mr. Sanders.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/04/hillary-clinton-on-bernie-sanders-waving-your-arms-doesnt-mean-a-lot/

ON EDIT: I'm adding the portion of the transcript of the Hillary interview that includes Andrea Mitchell's question, and Hillary's answer, up to and including the "waving arms around" bit. Now people can decide for them selves, if Hillary's comment was aimed at Bernie, at least partially, or not.

Interview Transcript

AM: Looking at the campaign now you see huge crowds for Bernie Sanders and for Donald Trump, and people talking about Joe Biden having an opening if he decides to make a difficult choice on an emotional level. They talk about how authentic these campaigns are. (Hillary laughs)
Does it hurt you when people say you’re too lawyerly, you parse your words, you’re not authentic, you’re not connecting.

HRC: Well, that’s just not my experience, out campaigning. I feel very, very good about where we are.

We’ve built a terrific organization in the early States, and we’re expanding into those States that will be after Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada.

The level of support, the intensity of support that I’m experiencing as I speak with people, and talking about issues that I, I know are on their minds.

I want to be the President who deals with all those big problems that are in the headlines, but also those problems that keep families up at night, and that’s why I started out listening.

Because I think you can come with your own ideas, and you can, you know, wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either really saying to you of wishing that you would say to them.

ON FURTHER EDIT:
apparently Team Bernie got the message and responded, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251570958

I still think this is laughable, because Bernie IS listening to voters REAL concerns, and staking
out the Progressive high-ground on real issues effecting their lives, rather than attacking Hillary,
like every reporter has tried to get him to do.

GO BERNIE!!

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Platitudes & Poetry all spoke in a hollywood coached voice .

Go Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arcane1]

2. Compare that statement to her meetup with the BLM people.

"are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either saying to you or wishing that you would say to them?”

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Even during her campaign, making deals behind closed doors, why ? to protect Image from fact,,DEBATE

[CharlotteVale]

3. Arm waving = latest meme?

[orpupilofnature57]

6. The Thinktank is desperate I guess, facts keep hindering them.

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. Ms. Hillary: Listen. We want you... Andrea, and Alan Greenspan to ....

... continue to rule:

now


tomorrow


and FOREVAH !!!!

[Indepatriot]

7. She's a real charmer...

Countdown to "Shame on you Bernie Sanders"...3,2,1...

[hifiguy]

21. LoL

i love the smell of desperation in the morning.

[kairos12]

30. I love the smell of face palm in the morning

[ruffburr]

8. it sounds to me-

Like the pot calling the kettle black, (Hope that's politically correct just an old saying)

[Control-Z]

9. She was asked about both Trump and Sanders

in the same question, iirc. Sounded more like she was talking about trump.

[olddots]

10. repukes write her material

Before you alert prove me wrong .

[hifiguy]

22. I think it's actually interns and new hires

chained up in the dungeon in the Goldman Sachs building.

[passiveporcupine]

33. LOL

I can just picture this!

[hifiguy]

34. "NOT MUSHY ENOUGH!

There's still CONTENT in this! WTF are we paying you for? Try again, pigs!"

"Yessir Lord Blankfein. We'll do better next time, we promise."

[busterbrown]

39. Why would anyone alert you for that?

Either you believe in the concept of evolving with regards to this subject or you don’t..

[cali]

11. hilly and plausible deniability. typical.

[riversedge]

12. NYT left out a lot. Who is Hillary talking about: Sanders, Trump? Biden?. Read the entire context

please.

Andrea was talking about all 3 in her question. And shame on NYTimes!! for leaving out the context.





http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/04/1418549/-Unfiltered-Hillary-The-Andrea-Mitchell-Interview-9-4-15-v-1-0

On authenticity and connecting with voters:

AM: Looking at the campaign now you see huge crowds for Bernie Sanders and for Donald Trump, and people talking about Joe Biden having an opening if he decides to make a difficult choice on an emotional level. They talk about how authentic these campaigns are.

HRC: (Laughs)

AM: Does it hurt you when people say you’re too lawyerly, you parse your words, you’re not authentic, you’re not connecting.

HRC: Well, that’s just not my experience, out campaigning. I feel very, very good about where we are.

We’ve built a terrific organization in the early States, and we’re expanding into those States that will be after Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada.

The level of support, the intensity of support that I’m experiencing as I speak with people, and talking about issues that I, I know are on their minds.

I want to be the President who deals with all those big problems that are in the headlines, but also those problems that keep families up at night, and that’s why I started out listening.

Because I think you can come with your own ideas, and you can, you know, wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either really saying to you of wishing that you would say to them.

So, on everything from mental health issue to substance abuse to college affordability to the continuing struggles that families face in spite of the fact that we’ve got a recovery and unemployment's down, people aren’t feeling it.

I am very excited, and very energized, by the campaign that I’m running.

And you know, after Labor Day you kind of move more toward the laying out of your plans and moving toward debates. and having the exchanges that you expect in a campaign.

That’s the next stage and I’m looking forward to that.

[livetohike]

17. Hillary didn't single out any of the candidates with her

comments! Some people are a bit touchy. Wonder why .

[riversedge]

18. Correct.

[SonderWoman]

20. I think it was about Trump.

He's out there waving his arms like a buffoon.

[riversedge]

24. And she always has hit on Republicans and NOT on Democrats in the past.

[peacebird]

50. Except Obama...

[riversedge]

52. I was referring to presidential candidates.

[Duckhunter935]

66. He was a presidential candidate

Exact same arguments about crowds, mmmmmm

[morningfog]

68. Holy shit! Were you asleep in 2008?!?

Hillary was NASTY in her attacks on presidential candidate Obama. Nasty.

[riversedge]

76. good grief. get with the show. I was referring to this presidential

cycle.

[INdemo]

83. I'm reading down the list of replies and mostly the Reply Title's

and I have to tell you I got to your post and it brought laughter ..That was/is funny..Yep Hillary/Bill had nothing to do with the Rev Wright episode either...just sayin'

[840high]

98. Obama was.

[JohnnyLib2]

27. Thanks for posting.

Seems obvious to me that she was talking about all 3. Lots of overreaction going on.....

[riversedge]

55. you are welcome

[Pharaoh]

36. that sure was a whole lot of words Hillary

to say absolutely nothing!!

People are sick of that crap!

[riversedge]

54. I am not sick of her words, nor is it crap.

[Duckhunter935]

67. Typical word salad

[Amimnoch]

42. It is funny that not a name was mentioned,

yet a certain crowd just knew it was "their" candidate by that odd description. Guilty much?

[restorefreedom]

13. this is what desperation looks like

sad, really

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. Define "REAL" concerns. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

25. Whatever a REAL concern is, it's NOT mocking the other candidate's style of speaking

REAL concerns are stuff like the US having the highest rate of
childhood poverty of any industrialized nation, or the highest
mass incarceration rate, or ... you get the idea.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Oh. Okay. I wasn't sure.

[Thinkingabout]

74. Who do you think she was referring? A little sensitive here, Trump waves his arms

And she went on to talk about Trump attacking her aid Hume. I think I would walk back on this.

[99th_Monkey]

80. The dig was there. Bernie is Hillary's ONLY serious opponent right now.

not Biden. Not Trump. That was obvious to the NYTimes writer,
and it's obvious to me. and the damage is done. How convenient that
there is plausible deniability.

She went on and talked about a lot of things, but she still said what
she said. The transcript is there. It is what it is. decide for yourself.

[Thinkingabout]

85. Did Hillary say something about Trump talking about Hillary's aid?

Why in the hell does Hillary want to take digs at a Democrat?

Watch this and see if you see Trump waving his arms

https://m.

[99th_Monkey]

87. Bernie waves his arms too. and has the "huge crowds" unlike Trump

who could only 1/2 fill his "big crowd" stunt.

If this was NOT about Bernie, Hillary's smart enough to know how to make that clear.
she could have said .. "well I've known Bernie for many years, and respect his work
i the Senat .. etc. etc". like Bernie does when MRM tries to get him to take a dig at
Hills But she didn't..

It doesn't pass the smell test, that "oh she didn't mean Bernie" when his name was
the FIRST one AM mentioned and when he's Hill's ONLY serious contender right now.

[Thinkingabout]

90. She did talk about Joe Biden, the arm waving is about Trump and he

Bragged about his game in Alabama and how he had to keep moving to larger places. Dont glorify Trump, he loves his stand up comedy routine. Do you think Bernie as a stand up comedian, I doubt you do, dont put Bernie in the same class as Trump.

[99th_Monkey]

92. I didn't put Sanders in same category as Trump

AM did, and Hilary obliged her, with her scatter-gun put-down,
that clearly included Bernie. Hell, Bernie is her ONLY serious
contender right now. to say Hills was ONLY talking about Trump
and Biden is just silly.

[Thinkingabout]

95. OK, continue

[zappaman]

15. Sounds like she's talking about Trump.

Isn't she?

[riversedge]

19. see my post # 12. She

could be talking about anyone. Or any of the 3 that Andrea addressed in her question. NYTimes left out the context

[99th_Monkey]

26. I'll be looking for Hillary's NYTimes letter-to-the-editor to "correct" the record

I'd like to think she was JUST talking about Trump, but the context included BOTH
Trump and Sanders.

I hope she corrects the record if she meant otherwise.

[BeanMusical]

43. Thank you for the clarification.

[quickesst]

16. Hoh-hum....

....more tears to fill the raging river. Bernie's gonna have to build a boat to get from rally to rally.

[left-of-center2012]

23. She's playing catch up

Her supporters have been doing it all along.

[SonderWoman]

28. Oh please. You really want to talk about supporters lobbing nasty digs?

You don't want to go there.

[jalan48]

29. Are the Clintons and the Greenspans friends?

The 1% interviewing the 1%. No arm waving needed here-just a few winks and nods.

[hifiguy]

35. That and the secret handshake.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. She has a point....

How much has Bernie spent on polling?

[Skwmom]

32. Her surrogates and the corporate press have been doing it for weeks. n/t

[YOHABLO]

37. People need to quit being so disingenuous. She wasn't singling Bernie out.

But I will say, I've seen her wave her arms around as well. Just sayin. She may be listening, but it's the ''doing'' I'm worried about. But then that's the chance we take with any candidate on either side.

[99th_Monkey]

40. I posted on edit the transcript, so everyone can see what was actually said,

and draw their own conclusion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251570890

[BeanMusical]

38. Thank you 99th_Monkey!

[dsc]

41. glad you edited

your post was frankly blatantly dishonest before you did.

[99th_Monkey]

45. No more "dishonest" than a New York Times headline is.

Now I'm no big fan of NYTimes, but can't help wondering ..
where is the outrage at the NYTimes "dishonest" headline?

.. which is about all 1/2 the readers will remember?

Is Team Hillary going to correct the newspaper of record on
their "blatantly dishonest" headline?

[dsc]

47. I have been complaining about the Times for months

and most Bernie supporters have been doing quite the opposite. I am glad we agree the Times is a mess but again, this is by no means a new position for me.

[99th_Monkey]

48. I edited to include this question

Is Team Hillary going to correct the newspaper of record on
their "blatantly dishonest" headline?

When THIS ^ happens, I'll be more than happy to self-delete.

[dsc]

51. well when the campaign complains to them

as they have on many issue one of two things happen, they change what they wrote or they don't. When they do Bernie supporters claim the Times caved, when they don't, they don't change it. I have no idea if they complained about the headline or not, but given the Times behavior it would be a full time job for them to complain about the Times behavior. But you could have done your own work, you could have watched the interview (it was hidden on video on their website so I understand it was hard to find) but instead you chose not to do that and post what the Times wrote without checking. Why that is my fault is beyond me especially when I repeatedly told people here that the Times hated Clinton and told lies about her routinely.

[99th_Monkey]

60. Team Hillary's request for a correction could be made publicly.

it would clear the air.

Listen, I've posted the transcript of what was actually said.
People can and will now draw their own conclusions. period.

[riversedge]

61. She is used to the nytimes dishonest

write ups of her and her campaign.

[senz]

84. The Times either dismisses or ignores Bernie.

I have been complaining about the Times for months

and most Bernie supporters have been doing quite the opposite.

ALL Bernie supporters who are aware of the NYTimes have been doing the same.

[riversedge]

62. Now that you know the context, it would be

great if you would edit your subject line

[MyNameGoesHere]

44. More ass Bern

give it a rest.

[Eko]

46. In the question

Three people are mentioned. Really, really bad argument. I would say I amazed but from what Ive seen here lately I am not.

[INdemo]

49. For all of us that followed the Bill Clinton campoaign in 1992

and 1996 Doesn't it appear as this statement is scripted by Bill and Hillary even sounded like she was doing just that, reading from a script
and one has to admit, pretty good at getting in that dig.... It Bill's style even
"I think you can come with your own ideas, and you can, you know, wave your arms and give a speech, but at the end of the day are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either really saying to you of wishing that you would say to them." (yep Bill Clinton Sept 4 2015)


But the Bernie Sanders Campaign wasted no time with their response and it was great

Way to go Bernie.

And yes Bernie has taken the high ground and Thank You for posting this

[99th_Monkey]

57. You're most welcome.

Good observation you make too.

I just saw another clip on the TeeVee of another portion of
the Andrea Mitchell interview, where Hillary characterizes
her political rivals as "bombastic and ideological".

But of course it was embedded -- like a little land mine --
in an otherwise palatable warm narrative.

[FloridaBlues]

53. Please get over yourselves. You'read way too much into the sentence

[BlueStateLib]

56. Gawd you guys are paranoid,

[Scootaloo]

58. "I don't see that when I'm campaigning"

Well, the fact all your stops are pre-screened and ziplock-tight security might help with that.

[MissDeeds]

75. And she manages to keep away the masses

You know, the people she wants to vote for her.

[magical thyme]

59. awwww...somebody's feeling the Bern!

and Hillary haz a sadz....

[Cheese Sandwich]

63. "Check out this graphic Clinton supporters have been tweeting about Sanders."

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/639956900457631744

[Eko]

70. Unless you can show

where her campaign put that out your point is irrelevant and off topic from this entire post. It would be easy for me to find supporters of other candidates using subtle digs and worse. It has nothing to do with what their campaigns release and it seems as if you are using this thread to bash Clinton.

[Cheese Sandwich]

79. CNN reports Clinton supporters have been tweeting out this graphic

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/639956900457631744

[Eko]

82. And?

You could add as many layers as you want to but until it is something a campaign put out and not their supporters it has nothing to do with the campaign.

[CoffeeCat]

97. This is a way to...

…denigrate Sander's large crowds.

The sad truth is that Hillary could not amass a large crowd like that, without a celebrity or a rock-star doing the gig with her.

I live in Iowa, and she has not been doing large-venue (or even medium-sized venue) speeches. I think the optics would be embarrassing and very telling--considering that Sanders is drawing huge crowds.

At the Iowa State Fair, Bernie drew a packed, overflowing crowd when he gave a speech on the "soapbox." This is an Iowa State Fair tradition that politicians campaigning in their primaries give a speech on the soapbox. Hillary skipped the soapbox. She meandered around the crowd, talking to people.

I think it's clear that she's not gathering huge crowds, as Sanders is.

This meme is an attempt to put a negative spin on Sander's popularity. Very bizarre, indeed.

[MisterP]

78. because if there's one candidate associated with "not listening" it's Sanders

[ashling]

65. I support Bernie, however

upon reading the context that you posted, I do not see this as a "nasty little dig at Bernie"

1) The question clearly included Donald Trump

2) There is nothing particularly nasty in what she said

It may be worth noting, but I think your depiction is overblown

[99th_Monkey]

71. That's why I edited OP to include the transcript

so people can decide for themselves. I respect your opinion,
but respectfully disagree.

At this point in the campaign, Hillary has only ONE serious contender,
though you wouldn't know it from the M$M's lack of coverage for
Bernie. And that ONE serious contender is BERNIE SANDERS.

Not Trump, he's in the GOP primary. Not Biden. He has not announced.
It was aimed at Bernie IMHO, but peeps will just need to read the
words, and decide for themselves.

[tavernier]

69. Stop, please!!!

She is not referencing Bernie.

Are we so anxious to wipe out all of our team before we even have our own debates?? Please stop being stupid!!! As much as they eat their own, the teapublicans are salivating for juicer meat!

[99th_Monkey]

77. I posted the actual exchange, the transcript.

I'm not retracting what is clearly already in the public record, it's
only what AM & HRC actually said.

You could try stopping your candidate from taking not-so-subtle digs
at Sanders. Now that might actually help achieve your stated aims,
of not "eating our own".

[840high]

99. Glad you did. Thanks.

[MannyGoldstein]

72. Time for MOONBATS to face the FACTS

Those huge crowds that Bernie draws are because he's NOT connecting with and really hearing what people are either really saying to him or wishing that he would say to them.

They simply think Sanders is giving away free marijuana cigarettes, known as "joints" or "spliffs".

[MisterP]

103. is this marijuana (also spelled "marihuana" or "mariguana") the same as what they call "pot"?

or is it a different concoction? will it make your children engage in strenuous dancing and heavy petting if one or both parents took some in the past?

[ejbr]

73. I concur with Ashling

I also might add that the nature of the question also seems to challenge her to demonstrate why another candidate may not be as "attractive" as she. Given how the question was phrased, her response does seem rather tepid.

[senz]

81. It gets worse: Hillary's proxies are out in force, attacking Bernie

From Politico today:

Stumping for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a trip partly paid by Clinton's campaign, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy did more than defend the former secretary of State's email use -- he criticized Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ record on guns.

In Des Moines the same week, Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro, whose travel expenses were paid for by the Clinton campaign, knocked Sanders for a lack of outreach to Latinos.

And Thursday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who has endorsed Clinton, drew another unflattering contrast between the top Democrats in the race. “I don’t think there’s any comparison between Hillary Clinton’s credentials and qualifications and positions, and Bernie Sanders,” Cuomo told reporters. “I do not see that as a close call.”

Clinton’s campaign, it appears, is unleashing the hounds. While the wounded front-runner is ignoring her competition in the primary race altogether -- she still does not utter Sanders’ name on the campaign trail – Brooklyn is paying the travel costs for proxies who are using their appearances in the early-voting states to criticize the surging senator.

And, of course, Sen. Claire McCaskill with her "socialist" smears.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359

Just as dirty as 2008. This might be worth another OP...

[99th_Monkey]

86. Oh you're just being thin-skinned and paranoid

[senz]

88. LOL - yeah, me and Politico. So sensitive and all...

Please feel free to take that article for an OP because I still feel too new for that sort of thing. Or if you don't want to do it, let's share it w/someone else. It's interesting & people should be aware of it.

[senz]

96. Forget my suggestion...

There's a thread now in the Bernie group.

This place is so complicated.

[Gothmog]

89. You got to be kidding

The fact that this comment by Hiillary Clinton has you so upset is sad

[senz]

91. Because we all know she's not the least bit worried about Bernie.

She finds his huge crowds amusing, right? And she's sure her sagging poll numbers are caused by something other than Bernie. Which, come to think of it, they might be...

[Gothmog]

93. I hate to break it to you but very few Clinton supporters are worried about Bernie

Go read Nate Silver. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

So why do I still think Sanders is a factional candidate? He hasn’t made any inroads with non-white voters — in particular black voters, a crucial wing of the Democratic coalition and whose support was a big part of President Obama’s toppling of Clinton in the 2008 primary. Not only are African-Americans the majority of Democratic voters in the South Carolina primary (a crucial early contest), they make up somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of Democrats nationwide. In the past two YouGov polls, Sanders has averaged just 5 percent with black voters. Ipsos’s weekly tracking poll has him at an average of only 7 percent over the past two weeks. Fox News (the only live-interview pollster to publish results among non-white voters in July and August) had Clinton leading Sanders 62-10 among non-white Democrats in mid-July and 65-14 in mid-August. Clinton’s edge with non-whites held even as Sanders cut her overall lead from 40 percentage points to 19.

There are other indications that Sanders is unlikely to win the nomination. He hasn’t won a single endorsement from a governor, senator or member of the U.S. House of Representatives (unlike Obama at this point in the 2008 campaign). Sanders is also well behind in the money race (again, unlike Obama). These indicators haven’t changed over the past month.

But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you can’t win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.

[senz]

94. Yeh? Well you wouldn't know it around here.

As for Bernie's support with AAs, when people have been abused as long as they have, it takes a while to warm up to a new unknown guy. But when they learn Bernie's history and hear his thoughts on issues relating to poc, they'll warm up to him. Because he's he real deal. He cares.

The Clintons, despite their 1% standing and following, are still considered known quantities. But when people learn more about them, they might change their minds.

Reality doesn't go away.

[pansypoo53219]

100. the kitchen sink strategy only diminishes her.

[Warren DeMontague]

101. She's just pulling out her 2008 Obama script and substiting Sanders's name.

[Triana]

102. That is a Republican-like M.O. . . .

Accuse someone else of doing what YOU are doing yourself (in spades). Diverts attention. Makes someone else look guilty instead.