The Democratic Machine Supports Hillary But...

[Yallow]

Us Sanders supporters don't trust the machine. We don't trust
the corrupt media, and their "steering" of the debate. Don't expect
the "media" to cover Bernie's platform even though 99% of Americans
agree with it. We need to overwhelm the pro-corporate media, and
organized power structures with bodies.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. The Democrats themselves support Hillary Clinton.

[Yallow]

2. Yes, Some Democrats Do Support Hillary

I like Hillary.

I like Bernie a lot more.

I just don't think Hillary will make Wall Street stop raping our families.

EOM

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. Not some....MOST

Then apparently you may not have studied her actual record..

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

I know I am glad I did!

[AgingAmerican]

5. But does she have MOMENTUM?

Or is her support ebbing?

[Scootaloo]

51. She has Joementum. Is that the same thing?

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. Ebbing how?

I'll take "ebbing" with a 74% chance of winning for $100 Alex!

[AgingAmerican]

69. "A poll!!"

lol

Some poll half a year out from the first primary won't save her. Every week he gains and she loses.

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. Its not a poll young man.....

Its predictwise.com...


Its odds making.....its a science...its not just about polls....and it factors in your precious "momentum"...oh and actual obstacles to that momentum as well...

[AgingAmerican]

73. An extrapolation website?

lol good luck with that winning 'strategy'.

Ever heard of 'The issues'? If she loses on the issues, she loses.

[AgingAmerican]

4. Her support is waning

And has been since May. Sanders has had all of the momentum since May and will continue to have it til the Primaries begin.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Hillarys campaign co-chair in 08) has rigged the election for Hillary, but that too will fail.

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. Have you seen her odds of winning lately?

And yes...she has lost a little ground....she had plenty...she could afford a few...who wasn't expecting this? And guess what. She is STILL far ahead of anyone else in the campaign.

Here are the current odds for your edification..

74% chance advantage Clinton to O'Malley and Sanders 12% chance each...

http://predictwise.com/

[Yallow]

7. And All This With 99.9% Of The (Non Whackjob) Press Behind Her

I turn on the news I see Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump,
Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump,
Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump.

And once in a while a "pundit" mentions how un-electable Bernie is.

It makes me sick.

I don't like the relentless bs attacks on Hillary, or Democrats
as a whole by attacking Hillary, but the total blackout by
the press of Bernie's message is sickening.

Bernie has been fighting for my family his whole career. He never had to change
positions or "evolve" because his heart has been right the while time from civil
rights, to gay marriage, to the war in Iraq.

I trust Bernie to make the right decisions, not just give the whole cake to Wall
Street planning on a few crumbs will fall off on the masses.

When did Hillary say the banksters should be prosecuted?

(crickets chirping)

When did Hillary say something like Bernie said on the Ed Show?

"SANDERS: Yes. Significantly, also, you have the six largest
financial institutions have assets of over $9 trillion, which is the
equivalent of two-thirds of the assets -- equivalent to two-thirds of the
assets of GDP of the United States of America.
So stop for a minute. When you have institutions that large,
JPMorgan Chase, over $2 trillion, while some will say, we`re never going to
bail them out again, right? We`re going to let them fail -- I don`t think
that`s the case. That`s the danger, when they`re that big, if they go
under, with they will be bailed out again.
Number two, if Teddy Roosevelt was alive right now and saw that the
top six banks provided half the mortgages in America and two-thirds of the
credit cards, what do you think a good Republican like Teddy Roosevelt
would have said?"

You trust Hillary or any Republican to break up the banks?

Gimmee a break.

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. Give me a break indeed

Why so angry?


.
"Bernie has been fighting for my family his whole career ..he hasnt had to change"

The exact same thing can be said about her...lets take just a little look at the record shall we?

....you do know she was the first to introduce Universal Healthcare...right? Oh and a little thing called SCHIP you and your family can Thank her for that......oh yeah and HRC has been fighting for women's issues ever since she gave that speech, decades ago to the U.N. Council on Women......pisding off Republican Establishment of the time....thar Speech is where we got the phrase "Women's Rights are Human Rights".....oh and do you remember another phrase she pissed off Republicans with..."It takes a village"....the name of a book she wrote ABOUT raising children.....or you know...otherwise known as families!

So no....Bernie has NOT got the market cornered on WHO has been trying to help your family.....point of FACT she has even seen at least one of them actually implemented.


Lets not forget she has been in the public eye her entire career......the American public know HER very well I would say....and apparently contrary to your belief.....they seem to know who they want.

Just "knowing" Bernie is not going to shake thier understanding that SHE has had thier backs all along....contrary to the false narrative Sanders fans are so desperate a picture to paint about her.....hell even Bernie himself disagrees with your assessment of her. ...and unlike you... HE knows her personally....and actially likes her.

If you think Bernie is going to go all postal on Clinton...you have another think coming....thats just not going to happen....she is not this devil incarnate you have convinced yourself she is...

[Scuba]

15. Holy crap, that's one huge load of denial!

[Yallow]

23. Vanilla Are You Paid By The Clinton Campaign?

I like Hillary.

If she is the nominee I will support her.

What about:

TPP
Carbon Tax
Drilling in the Arctic
NAFTA
Keystone
$15 Per Hour Minimum Wage
Breaking Up The Banks
Corporate Non Taxation
Wealth Inequality
Welfare Reform Failure
Glass Steagall
The Private Prison Complex
Free College Tuition

The list goes on.

She has no position, and won't answer questions.

Bernie will.

Notice the difference?

Millions of Americans do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. I wish....

Sadly no....

[Yallow]

25. Devil Incarnate?

You must be thinking of someone else.

I just don't like the fact that she gets 99.9% of the coverage.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. She is the frontrunner with a 74% chance

And full coffer (which without you are not going to beat republicans). The rest of the pack ate not even close....Bernie only became a Dem because he cannot raise enough on his own to do so.....Hillary is far and away the frontrunner....the people support her and thats why.....you could put O'Malley and Sanders on 24/7 and it wouldnt change that....they have limited audiences on thier own....they have ceilings....that is why 5he still inly poll at under 12% for Sanders and 1% O'Malley.

[Control-Z]

37. You really want your candidate

to get the same coverage as that of HRC? Slanderous bullshit? Be careful what you wish for. That kind of coverage would destroy your candidate.

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. Exactly....they WANT the kind of coverage that Hillary gets?

Its not like she is getting the kid glove treatment.....she is in the media because the Republicans have been attacking her with their bullshit smears for her entire career. Bernie is NOT ready to face that....and I don't think he ever will be...

[840high]

59. After I got to know Hillary -

my support for her ended. I love Bernie.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. Like you know her personally!!!

Too bad most Democrats disagree with you.....and she STILL has 74% odds of winning....so I don't think losing you is too big a disappointment for her!

[840high]

65. Actually met her at a rally

some years ago. I even wrote her name in '08.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. thats funny because I happen to be in a position where I come in contact with people that

have met and worked with her personally.....to a one, none of them agree with you...

[840high]

67. You are very loyal. Enjoy and be safe

this week-end.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. I am brutally honest.....

Thank you....and you do the same!

[Ed Suspicious]

55. Right on!

"Bernie has been fighting for my family his whole career."

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. And so has Hillary Clinton....

Hillarycare ring any bells?

[AgingAmerican]

8. Irrelevent

Her support is waning. Ebbing. Going away. She is gaining no new support.

The supporters she is losing? They are going to Sanders.

You guys answer everything with a poll link. I find it funny. Polls won't save her. Cheating won't save her. Nothing will save her.

She possibly could save herself, but she is too busy sleepwalking.

[Yallow]

9. Yes Aging American

She could save herself.

She could adopt Bernie's platform.

That ain't gonna happen......

She can't be a populist, and carry Goldman Sachs water at the same time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

12. Save herself from what?

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She STILL has a 74 % chance to his 12% ???? Apparently she is not "losing" as hard as you seem to think she is...she is doing great....no reason for her to adopt Sanders or anyone else's platform.....she is far ahead of the field.....a race that is hers to win ir lose. She is pacing herself for the long haul. Just like a marathon runner would. She is running against her own "best time"...not the other candidates!

No one is buying this narrative that she is losing at all....facts and figures just do not bear that out.

[AgingAmerican]

39. She has no momentum

Bernie has the momentum.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. She doesn't need it....she is far far ahead....where should she go?

Your favorite has a 12% chance to her 74%.....looks like YOURS has to keep up momentum for a good long while to catch up! Going to have to go hard a loooooooong time. I think I noticed Bernie's Speechifying voice sounding awfully tired the other day too!

[teach me everything]

48. Basing it on some random predictor site

Bernie has much better chance of beating that predictor by a mile and a half.

[Fawke Em]

95. BYU was supposed to lose to Nebraska, too.

Doesn't make it so.

I'm with you. If we based our opinions on betting sites, there would be no reason to play the game - or in this case, vote.

[AgingAmerican]

70. Every week her numbers drop

And Bernies go up. Fact.

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. Hahaha sure it is....you keep telling yourself that..

But the fact remains....not for women, African Americans and Hispanics.....without massive hemoraging among those....Bernies popularity is going to reach a ceiling.....and even with just White males....who she expected to lose all along .....its sure is going to be hard to increase that 12% chance! Infact that is WHY he has such low odds...because of his chances with those 3 demographics...the same odds O'Malley has I might add....

[AgingAmerican]

72. The ol' 'Hive Mind' theorum

Women and POC do not share a hive mind that you control, sorry.

If you believe you can fool all POC, Latinos and Women into voting against their own best interest, then you just keep holding onto that fantasy.

Have you ever considered her winning on issues? I know it's a novel thought to Hillary supporters anymore. Seems throwing stink bombs, spewing strawmen, attacking his supporters, having her ex campaign manager rig the election, tricking people into voting against their own best interest, shielding him from media exposure, etc etc is the winning strategy. ANYTHING but the issues. I say, good luck with that!

You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all POC and Women all of the time, sorry to disappoint you.

[reddread]

18. 6-1 jury results

reflective?

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. I notice you posting those often today

are you on a quest?

[AgingAmerican]

74. My alert stalkers are getting frustrated

nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

90. Oh and you are the only one alert stalked huh?

Funny one person seems to be the one that sees all your results....

[reddread]

93. no you dont.

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. And that is why she has 74% odds in her favor.....

She is losing I tell you!

Very desperate to paint THAT picture huh?this the new tactic? Go around proclaiming she is losing even though there is no evidence to support it. It the GWB tactic of a"catapulting" the message to make it so....hoping it will catch on and people will believe you!

Is

[840high]

64. Lookie here...

Gallup released a new national poll on Friday after surveying 1,000 independent and democratic voters.

Bernie Sanders’ favorability has improved seven points since the last poll was released on July 24. Hillary Clinton’s national favorability is at its lowest point since 1992.

“Clinton’s favorability with the America public has sunk to one of its lowest levels in Gallup’s 23-year trend.”

According to the poll, 51 percent of “national adults” hold an “unfavorable view” of Clinton, yet her favorability among independent and democratic voters remains steady at 74 percent. Bernie Sanders’ favorability has improved from 39 to 46 percent.

Clinton’s email scandal continues to slowly diminish her image while Sanders is gaining on her inch by inch.

Read the poll’s findings here.

[AgingAmerican]

76. Every week he rises, she ebbs

nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

91. Accept in places were minorities live....

He sure didn't seem to rise in Georgia and Florida....

[morningfog]

97. It's "except." And he has increased in Georgia.

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. Lookie here...those unfavorables

Dont seem to be holding much sway......sad for Sanders that even with those magical "negatives" his supporters are touting....sure dont speak well for Sanders considering that the candidate with those vast "negatives" sure is still beating Sanders.....please continue...

[teach me everything]

38. My favorite poll is this:

And yes, the trendlines continues...

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. Thats not a poll....that is a graph....

and guess what....she is STILL at 74% chance of winning....to a 12% Joe Biden....who hasn't even announced....guess who that 12% will eventually go to when he doesn't and decides to endorse her?

[teach me everything]

44. so you are basing on some random predictor website

that I've never heard of, and don't particularly care for it.

Oh, this is my favorite: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/26/1415584/-BREAKING-Polls-Chart-Shows-Bernie-Sanders-Set-To-Win-Democratic-Primary

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. Oh its just random prediction site huh? ROFLMAO!

PredictWise is a research project which includes members of Microsoft Research, but should in no way be construed as representing the views or predictions of Microsoft or any of its entities.


Yeah Predictwise.com is the modern day Ms Clio!

[teach me everything]

49. There you go. .

Microsoft Research.

(Hint: I run Linux)

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. Oh and that makes it less reputable?

hardly just some random guys....

I run Android...

[AgingAmerican]

77. Android is Linux based

nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

78. I was just talking shit.....

I was on a phone at the time....

still doesn't change they fact that they are hardly just "some random blog guys" making up odds on the internet!

Likely it is done with an algorithm or two!

[AgingAmerican]

79. Whatever soothes you

nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

80. Not the one that needs soothing...

my candidate has a 74% chance of winning....

Here....have a couple polls from RealClearPolitics....which shows in Florida and Georgia....Hillary is doing great!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

[AgingAmerican]

82. Next week

He will gain a little, and she will lose a little. And we will be bombarded with polls and extrapolation website links, but no issues will be discussed.

[VanillaRhapsody]

84. Oh really....guess what Georgia and Florida have?

a lot of Black people! Up to now....the states he does well in? Predominantly White states.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. Just some "Random" guys goofing around with a blog pulling predictions

out their butts right?

And you "don't particularly care for it" because it is entirely contrary to your narrative!

[Historic NY]

56. Yeah but Sanders isn't pulling in the money from Democrats...

which means his support is waning too. He isn't going to convince the party stalwarts plain and simple. But then again people can have wonderful dream of unicorns and ponies.

[AgingAmerican]

83. Then where is his money coming from?

Are the unicorns donating to his campaign? Or are the ponies?

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. And you think individual campaign donations

Is going to be enough?


How about if he wins the General....are you going to tell him not to accept that "dirty" Democratic money ?

[peacebird]

13. I think Bernie is well on the way there!

[Le Taz Hot]

14. Feet on the ground is the key.

Millions of us need to mobilize, get the word out, make sure people are registered to vote for Bernie in the primaries/caucuses and then get them out to vote for Bernie when the time comes. And it's not just a one-time deal. We need to commit to once a month, or once a week, or whatever we can do. This is literally do or die time for this country and none of us can afford to sit on the sidelines.

[bigwillq]

16. I don't support Hillary at all

I support the Democratic Machine even less.

[840high]

61. I thank you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. You know this is Democratic Underground right?

You sure you aren't lost? Is there anything at all about the Democrats that you like? I mean your candidate IS running in the Primary of that "Democratic Machine! you were just deriding there"

[bigwillq]

86. Yes, I do know that.

No, I am not lost.

I like many Democrats, just not Hillary.

I don't like the Machine because I feel the Machine is not working for the people.

[VanillaRhapsody]

88. "The Democratic machine"

Sure sounds like you like them......yes indeedy.

[wyldwolf]

17. Just one question

We don't trust the corrupt media, and their "steering" of the debate.

Then why is there so much hand wringing from your end when Hillary doesn't kowtow to the media?

[leftofcool]

20. Don't you know "she is avoiding the media" She is evil, she is corrupt.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. Because she is such a bad candidate that even media

steering of the debate is not enough to make up for it.

[wyldwolf]

33. Your reply makes no sense.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Time for a petition.

eom

[brooklynite]

22. Ah yes, "The Machine....."

sounds spooky.

[Yallow]

27. No Debates = Spooky?

The more debates the better for Democrats.

Except for Hillary......

Understand?

Democrats have a far better message than the clown car. The 17
Fascists in the clown car get all the coverage.

Debates between DEMOCRATS will change that some.

Tell DWS while she is protecting Hillary from better democratic ideas.

[brooklynite]

34. I see...all the debates have been cancelled then?

Perhaps you want to notify the newspapers?

Tell me, would 7 be enough? 8, 9, 10, 11, 12?

Isn't the demand for "more" debates as arbitrary as the number currently scheduled?

[jfern]

50. 26 wasn't too much in 2008

[teach me everything]

54. Hillary wanted more... 28 wasn't enough

And now suddenly 6 is enough?

Clinton is not going to win with this kind of attempted rigging - it'll only piss of the people, to overthrow Third Way politics out and trigger the progressive waves that will follow.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Except for that little fact that Hillary is okay with more of them....

Understand?

[BooScout]

28. I'd rather the Democratic machine support her...

...than the Republican machine.

[Yallow]

31. The Billionaire Machine?

Who do they support.

EOM

[BooScout]

32. ...

EOM

[Yallow]

30. By The Way What Do The Rich Folks Want From Hillary

You know, the ones giving her all those millions for her campaign?

Favors?

I don't like the system of pay to play. I don't like the fact that Obama
took all that campaign money from the banksters and didn't arrest a
single one of them.

The game is rigged, I know. We all know.

Bernie is still not taking corporate bribes.

A little contrast anyone?

Someone who will make the filthy rich pay their fair share doesn't need
funding from the billionaires.

[brooklynite]

35. You know that nobody's given her more than $2,700, right?

As for me, progressive taxation, overturning CU, immigration reform and expanded voting rights are a good start.

[Yallow]

36. Her Super Pac?

See, I can tell the truth 100% of the time.

Part of who I am.

Who are you?

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. She cannot coordinate with her Super Pac

and guess what? Bernie will want some of that sweet sweet Democratic money if he would win the Primary.....because the fact remains at the moment....you cannot win the General with a beer pocketbook!

[Thinkingabout]

57. What reason would the Democratic Machine have not to support Hillary? None, they know who is

qualified.

[HereSince1628]

87. They certainly know who looks more like themselves and who will maintain the game

that know well enough to make serve themselves.

And really that's a big part of how contemporary American democracy works.

People, even members of the 'Democratic Machine' are mostly expected to support candidates who appear to best represent their own interests.

[cantbeserious]

58. Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - The Media Protects Them All

eom

[PowerToThePeople]

75. It is not lack of trust, but a realization that they are the enemy.

They will kill and enslave others for their own ego.

[Tommy2Tone]

85. I have been a Democrat for 50 years

and you say the Democratic Machine supports Hillary. Damn right I am part of the machine.

[ericson00]

94. but didn't you know, you're like supposed to rage against the machine

Occupy Wall Street, 1%ers, blah blah blah

[Juicy_Bellows]

96. Damn straight. Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

Quit it now!