Hillary Clinton now has as many weighted endorsement points as Obama had the day he clinched the nom

[SonderWoman]

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

[jberryhill]

1. Ah, good, thank heavens that's all over

Now, let's all unite behind our candidate.

[SonderWoman]

5. Hoping eventually we all do.

That's the point of all this: Defeating Republicans.

[SonderWoman]

10. Bernie will need establishment Dems to get anything done.

[SonderWoman]

14. Again, Bernie will get NOTHING done without establishment Dems

So if you're content with President Bernie and 70 Republican senators then so be it.

[Capn Sunshine]

50. Phase 2 had better be a ground game that actually works

and not the mess I'm seeing at the moment.

Tad Devine has a plan. But he won't share it with us at this point. Us being the establishment Dems that actually make the machinery function.

[orpupilofnature57]

32. + 1000

People have Never bought the narrative, no matter how much she's shoved down our throats, kinda like Poppy Bush.

[revmclaren]

89. Your +1000 just be came a +0000

[orpupilofnature57]

91. Did you have something to say?? or just keeping score, Don't look now she's still slipping .

[revmclaren]

92. Nope...but Bernie's supporters are...

Clinton is just fine in the real world. Already have 57 people who are now backing Clinton in my own circle, and. I don't start jumping into the fray until next month. I'm GTVO for Clinton off line.

[roguevalley]

95. good for you. just don't expect me to join you. There's plenty of time yet and she has no

political sense. She can line them up from here to Mars but in the end she needs the votes. That is the only game that matters.

[revmclaren]

98. Never would expect you to.

My reasons for supporting Clinton are deeply personal for me and my family. Your support of sanders prob equally so. All that matters is to GTVO. NO REPUBS IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

[Hortensis]

42. If not Bernie, I hope you will take a thoughtful look at whoever our nominee is.

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. Why not she has thes best chance of winning bay far from either side....

[ladjf]

57. Defeating the Republicans is not, IMO, the point of the election.

The point is to find and elect the best possible candidate. However, it's very unlikely that the best possible candidate would be a Republican.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. Let me guess...

Straight White man?

Because if you werent....The point IS beating the Republicans

My god...they have the freaking bases loaded..the only thing they cant control now is the veto pen...you want the rest of us to risk that for your "moral high ground?

To I and millions.of others...You damn Skippy thats the POINT!

[ladjf]

105. No thanks for the lecture. nt

[randys1]

26. GOod one LOL Sheesh, I wonder if we could just have a process where

two or three or more great candidates just have it out and the best man or Woman win.

[jberryhill]

28. Sounds messy

[Ed Suspicious]

36. I wouldn't trust the outcome. We need elective aristocracy. We need the wisemen and women

to tell us who to vote for via high profile endorsements after a low profile campaign season. Anything else is just too risky.

[orpupilofnature57]

34. He needs it, insiders everywhere like in 2000 .

[roguevalley]

94. she doesn't have mine. That matters along with everyone else.

[Motown_Johnny]

2. Many of us see that as a bad thing.

It is simply party establishment endorsing their establishment candidate.

[SonderWoman]

7. So you post on an establishment website?

Okay.

[SonderWoman]

15. I'm not the one bashing the establishment on an establishment website.

I think that above posters comment would go over better there.

[aidbo]

40. There's your confusion! There are two words in the name of this site.

Democratic (we'll stipulate we know what that one means)

Underground: Which has some subtle and some straight-forward meanings which I will paste here:

noun
10. the place or region beneath the surface of the ground.
11. an underground space or passage.
12. a secret organization fighting the established government or occupation forces:
He fought in the French underground during the Nazi occupation of France.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/underground?s=t

I bolded the one that I feel is most applicable to your confusion.

If you are more interested in the establishment, try http://www.democrats.org/

[rhett o rick]

41. Democratic Underground, do you know what "underground" means?

Most here are working hard to change the establishment that has gotten us into terrible wars, allowed Wall Street to steal our wealth, and decimated our environment. Maybe you are ignoring the Princeton Report that laid it out how we are now living in an Oligarchy. The establishment is the oligarchy. We need change like Obama promised, but for real this time.

Please vote against Goldman-Sachs and for the people's candidate Sen Sanders.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. Well its certainly NOT

IndependentUnderground either!

Hung on your own petard!

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. Did he announce that he IS a Democrat yet?

Has he changed his profile on his wikipedia to fit this make belief you have going on yet? Do you have a single shred of evidence that HE thinks he is a Democrat?

"As far as your concerned" is not valid when you DON'T have a shred of evidence that supports that "theory". You see there is nothing in the by laws that require you to be a Democrat to run ..ipso facto....it doesnt make you one either. Sanders is exploiting that loophole...

Add to the fact that not a single one of his Democratic colleagues have endorsed him....

Add to that he has not called himself one and in fact outright said he isnt one....

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. No you are stretching..

He doesnt even consider himself one...STILL

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. No sir he did not...you are mistaken...

Go look for yourself....i will stand here and wait for you to produce one piece of evidence that HE believes he is a Democrat..."go now...and prove it"

Double dog dare you to try....

[angrychair]

80. Not to put to fine a point on it

But Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, still a Democrat.
Second, he is a declared, registered, 2016 canidate as a Democratic Party canidate, for president of the United States.

For help: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign,_2016

[Bobbie Jo]

52. Welcome to DU

Day 2, even!

[PowerToThePeople]

55. And already a better quality poster than some =)

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[Bobbie Jo]

70. lol

If you say so...

Already advising people where to go is an endearing quality. We def need more of that.

[revmclaren]

82. Your 'quality poster' in now NAME REMOVED.

Boy do you know how to pick those you support!

Makes me wonder about your choice of candidate as well.

[PowerToThePeople]

83. Ah, shite happens =)

[Cha]

104. Didn't make to 3.

[Fumesucker]

17. DU used to be anything but "an establishment website"

While Hillary was busy voting for the Iraq war and trying to persuade others to vote the same way, posters here on DU were showing in well documented detail that the entire rationale for war was built entirely of lies, something you never ever heard on the M$M.

[RufusTFirefly]

25. That's right. "Underground" is just a synonym for "establishment." You can look it up.

[Ed Suspicious]

38. But capital "D" Democratic is the first word. It is the most important word. Sort of like Garbage

Bag" is all about garbage and not the bag.

[orpupilofnature57]

35. Machine over Matter.

[Ed Suspicious]

39. Nothing but the will of the machine matters.

[Hortensis]

45. Party "establishment" is many millions of well-meaning fellow Dems. Some respect please.

[Capn Sunshine]

53. so you are fighting your own people?

Are we the enemy or is T Rump?

[Lil Missy]

90. It's only a bad thing on DU. In the real world it's great news. n\t

[riversedge]

3. Congratulations Hillary.

[morningfog]

4. She is the insider candidate.

And of course, those are not like votes from regular people, the super delegates can change anytime between now and the convention.

[orpupilofnature57]

37. And their duty is to listen, not obey.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. Yeah you keep telling yourself....

That endorsements don't matter and campaign finance doesn't matter and low odds of winning doesnt matter....and lack of Black votes doesnt matter...and lack of hispanic and women voters doesnt matter...and on and on and on

[Capn Sunshine]

79. Explain this to me

Right now? I'm seeing you make all these pronouncements but give me a straight line to delegate victory in Philly next July.

So far, it sounds a lot like the Underwear Gnome's business plan.

Here are the cold facts:

On Ground Take:
1st or 2nd in New Hampshah
1st or 2nd in Iowa

Then what?

Nevada? you're polling @ 26%

S Carolina: average as of 8/3
Clinton 67.0
Biden 10.5
Sanders 9.0
O'Malley 2.0
Webb 1.5

Spread Clinton +56.5

You'll need a major miracle there
Then Comes

Alabama - last poll
Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders
78% 34%<------this is an oultlier, most at 10% but I'm staying positive
Better hit the ground running
Arkansas- Hillary is at 70% in her home state

Colorado -we have bigger problems there structurally; Rubio is leading any Dem. The latest is
Hillary 38 Bernie 37 - so a toss up

Georgia
Hillary 51%
Bernie 24%

Massachusetts
Hillary 43%
Bernie 34% ---- Sanders gaining at last flash poll taken Friday

Minnesota
Hillary 50%
Bernie 34% -- some forward momentum in the last Flash Poll, 9/1

N. Carolina
Hillary 55%
Bernie 20%

Oklahoma
Damned if there's enough Democrats to poll..no data available

That only takes you through March 1. Seeing a trend? If you hope to prevail beyond IA and NH, you have your work cut out for you. A HUGE ground effort is needed. ASAP. This isn't happening by magic. And conservatively, you'll need to raise another 12 million to keep the machine going.

If I were you, I'd start working on a plan to match the grand pronouncements being made by Sanders partisans. Right now it's just not up to snuff.

[rhett o rick]

81. You paint a pretty gloomy picture. Eight more years of more Oligarchy domination.

There are a lot of people that want change and recognize that H. Clinton is business as usual.

[Capn Sunshine]

93. I just don't agree.

Either Hillary or Bernie will get us farther down the progressive road, and at this point Hillary might actually be better at it because of her experience and connections.

Should Bernie win, Hillary will work just as hard with him so that he has a handle on things.
By The way, I'm going to post this above in GD P. Sanders Campaign needs to stop all the back slapping and get the F to work.

[rhett o rick]

100. H.Clinton may pretend she wants to go down the "progressive" road but it's all crap.

She is mego rich and all her friends are in the 1% and she has close ties to the billionaires. Why do you think she gives a shit about us peons? Of course she wants our votes, but she has zero integrity. She has never dealt with her share of responsibility for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraq children. Does that not mean anything to you? She brushes it off as a mistake.

[LondonReign2]

107. A President H. Clinton will merely continue the rightward swing of the Democratic Party

She is to the right of the President that describes his economic policies as "mainstream 1980s Republican" and admits "that in many ways, Nixon was more Liberal" than he is.

The Koch brothers have been incredibly successful since they helped fund the DLC and infiltrated the party in dragging it rightward. The successor organizations, Third Way chief amongst them, have continued the cause of adopting Republican economic issues while occasionally throwing the left a sop on social issues they don't give a damn about.

[HERVEPA]

8. Well, weghted endorsemnt points. Isn't that special. A highly meaningful number.

Thank goodness Hillary in quite as annoying as her supporters.

[upaloopa]

13. She's going to be hard to beat. Experience and all.

She has experience at running a primary campaign. And we see the results.

[upaloopa]

21. Well, I should bookmark this thread so come spring

we can talk it over again.

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. You have a 74% chance of being the one dining on crow

I'll damn sure take that bet!

[VanillaRhapsody]

73. How do you like your crow prepared

Because sir....the odds are against you.....the chance you dont eat it.....is slim and none...

You going to bet against a football team with a 74% chance of getting in the Playoffs...against a team with only a 5% chance?

Do you play poker?

What are the odds of drawing an inside straight?

[revmclaren]

84. Oh darn.....

He now became NAME REMOVED. No crow for now. Maybe in his next incarnation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

85. Awwwww....

Darn....

[revmclaren]

86. Crow can be prepared in so many ways. Still tasts like s@&t, but many different

types of s@&t. Next time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

87. And I had my Crow Frickasee recipe all ready too!

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. Not according to all the odds making sites...

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He has a 5% shot in the General and 12% in the Primary...


Yes she is going to be VERY hard to beat....she has a 57% chance of winning the General and 74% the Primary...

Yeah buddy.....thats tough to beat...

[rhett o rick]

43. So far she has done nothing but hide and get her DNC to cut the debates. nm

[ibegurpard]

18. just like polls

Endorsements at this point are simply a tool for the Clinton campaign to try to spread the inevitability message. I don't care if God herself endorses her...I'm not supporting her until the last primary is over.

[MannyGoldstein]

20. If George Washington had paratroopers

the Revolutionary War would have been over faster. As long as there were planes or balloons too, of course.

Or helicopters or rockets.

OK, maybe they could fire the paratroopers from cannon. Or slingshots.

You get the idea.

[aidbo]

44. You gotta catapult the paratroopers!

[askew]

22. Who cares?

Unlike regular delegates, super delegates aren't binding. In fact, in 2008 many switched their endorsement from Clinton to Obama. The fact that Hillary and her supporters are bragging about irrelevant stats like this is kinda sad.

[AgingAmerican]

23. Establishment endorsements do not equal votes

This isn't 2008

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Keep telling yourself that....

Because he has next to none
..and part of the reason he has a 5% chance

[AgingAmerican]

96. Does the concept

...of winning an election based on voters and policy ever cross your mind? Or are elections all about:

Rigging debate schedules using surrogates (corruption)
Insulting supporters of other candidates as 'racist's
Threatening to throw the election by dividing the electorate along gender and race lines
Relying on 'endorsements' instead of votes
Poll extrapolation
Strawman attacks
Using surrogates to throw stink bombs from the right
Storming the opposing candidates speeches throwing stink bombs and spewing filth
Claiming the opposing candidates supporters are, 'white supremacists'
Money from billionaires and bankers
Free beauty and cleaning products for women
etc

Or are they won by having the best ideas and best record?

[morningfog]

102. Raspy vanilla is on time out, again, for the next couple months.

Don't wait up.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Where do you get this crazed term 'weighted endorsment points'? Endorsements don't carry any

actual weight to most voters and they certainly are not totaled up as points to some conclusion. Delegates count, and there are two sorts, pledged delegates and unpledged delegates. Each of them has a single vote, each with an identical value.

All of this lingo manufacture has got to cease. We have elections, most of us have seen elections before. 'Weighted endorsement points' or 'shimmery glitter beans'? Lingo, we make it up for to fit the duty.

[orpupilofnature57]

29. MSM Speak, and all those Desperate/Dismissive sighs of Reieif/Dread .

GO Bernie !!

[nichomachus]

27. So what now?

Do we just pluck her crown out of the hawthorn bush, crown her, and call it a day? Call off the primaries?

[orpupilofnature57]

30. She already knows where to hide.

[hifiguy]

31. "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords

is no basis for a system of government!"

[zappaman]

76. "He must be the king!"

"Why is that?"
"He hasn't got shit all over him!"

[VanillaRhapsody]

61. Well if you insist....

[nichomachus]

64. It would be very Clintonesque

[hifiguy]

77. Bit of Napoleon, too.

As when he crowned himself Emperor of the French when the then-current pope refused to perform the honors.

[winter is coming]

72. No. Now we watch them slowly melt away. n/t

[rhett o rick]

46. If the Democratic Elites steal the nomination for Clinton there will be millions of pissed off

Democrats. Not a good strategy if they want to win the general. But they, like Goldman-Sachs, don't really care as long as it's Bush or Clinton, Clinton or Bush.

[leftofcool]

47. Congrats Hillary.

[AtomicKitten]

56. I'm pretty sure there will still be a vote. <nt>

[Autumn]

62. Since they aren't binding I have no intention of borrowing any

I give a fucks to give out.

[cali]

74. She's a disaster. she may well have the nomination, but she'll. lose us the presidency.

[ibegurpard]

99. I agree

She is not generating any enthusiasm with anyone that I know.

[whatchamacallit]

75. Why is it so impressive that members of the Status Quo Club support Hillary?

They are part of the old failed order. Sanders is here to change all that.

[hifiguy]

78. Yup. She will keep the corporatist gravy train rolling as usual.

Bernie will dynamite the tracks, so to speak. They know which side of the hread the butter is on.

[Lil Missy]

88. Don't you know that means Bernie is ahead?

[left-of-center2012]

97. Big yawn

[cherokeeprogressive]

101. How many votes does that mean have already been cast for Her?

[SouthernProgressive]

103. Amazing person. Her thoughtful ambition will win the day.

It's wonderful to have a powerful and unapologetic woman leading the way with so many good people getting behind her. We are witnessing history being written and it will be a good book. This is exciting. At this point it looks like she will be virtually unchallenged without the second place person getting in the race.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Maxine Waters will be a huge endorsement. I suspect that comes closer to South Carolina.

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