2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's attempt to solidify support among women is amusingly sexist,
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a bit condescending, and out of touch.
Oprah. Martha. Hillary?
In Hillary Clintons latest push to activate female voters, the campaign launched Women for Hillary this weekend which, in addition to promoting an explicitly feminist platform, seems to try to position Clinton as more than just a presidential candidate, but a lifestyle brand.
Supporters are encouraged to hold house parties and volunteer for Clinton, but will also receive a Thx Box - a campaign version of BirchBox, the home delivery subscription where women get carefully curated beauty products sent to them once a month. In this case, though, supporters will get household products that Clinton likes and uses (as well as campaign merchandise of course). People who order a Thx Box will even get a bitmoji of a pink pantsuit.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/08/hillary-clinton-lifestyle-brand-dont-roll-your-eyes
On Saturday, the Democratic front-runner will launch "Women for Hillary with a two-week effort to enlist the support of female voters that will include house parties, organizing events and trips by the candidate and her surrogates to early voting states, campaign officials told USA TODAY. Shes also aiming to make a personal connection with women by using a marketing campaign that will offer regular subscriptions for home deliveries of some of Clintons favorite household items and branded products, according to Jesse Ferguson, the campaigns spokesman.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/03/hillary-clinton-women-campaign-issues/71657980/
djean111
(14,255 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Weird. Whoever thought up this genius idea should be fired.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)like.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Maybe she will start her own line of linens and things. Maybe sell it at KMart.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)animalvet
(23 posts)A jingle with Bernie fitted in... Bern-a-Shave! *giggle*
arcane1
(38,613 posts)animalvet
(23 posts)thank you arcane1
zeemike
(18,998 posts)As a kid on a road trip we would look for those signs...they were everywhere and there were in a series of amusing sentences ending in Burma Shave...I think everyone in my age group have seen them.
I found some and thought I would post them.
On curves ahead
Remember, sonny
That rabbit's foot
Didn't save
The bunny
Burma-Shave
Twinkle, twinkle
One-eyed car
We all wonder
WHERE you are
Burma-Shave
These signs
We gladly
Dedicate
To men who've had
No date of late
Burma-Shave
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)He undertook to overtake
the road was on a bend
his passing choice proved a mistake
and almost proved his end
BURMA SHAVE.
Only one I ever saw in meatspace.
0rganism
(23,971 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Brut.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's like Pabst Blue Ribbon.
People like what their parents hated, or disdained, or ignored, and vice versa.
Basically, take whatever is least cool now, fast forward 30 years and that'll be the next huge thing.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)uses it because a.) it is cheap and b.) it combines body wash, shampoo and conditioner in one - how efficient! and lastly c.) he does not like to smell like pink grapefruit, virgin mojito or fuji green tea
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Sorry. I think single-issue voting is very ill advised. There's so much else that needs to be addressed, and this is minimizing all the rest.
jfern
(5,204 posts)I mean what real political issue does having Hillary perfume or whatever address?
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]That's the only attraction here, and all some voters care about: That Hillary could be the first female president.
It's not even close to being enough reason to vote for her, but it's exactly what this nonsense is going for.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)support women's issues but as the head of my family I have a long list of issues that are important to us all. I trust Bernie to support women and their issues and he gives me the other issues added in.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)She is giving away branded products to voters? Is this even allowed under campaign finance laws? I have never even heard of a candidate giving away branded products before, I always assumed it was illegal to do so. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but that line in the article raises some big questions for me.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Lol
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)b/ c we know he HATES the takers.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)now I think she should include a set of white gloves,and a wiping cloth designed for wiping email servers.SARCASM
cali
(114,904 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Now I have this image of Charmin flushable Email wipes.
azmom
(5,208 posts)This is all sorts of wrong.
cali
(114,904 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)thx is a registered logo owned by creative labs
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)"Order the Hillary Pasta Steamer and get a Super Tuesday Spatula FREE!"
Swear to God this campaign gets more bizarre every day.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)"Shes also aiming to make a personal connection with women by using a marketing campaign that will offer regular subscriptions for home deliveries of some of Clintons favorite household items and branded products"
Are you effing kidding me? Basically, bribing for votes - but she'll let them BUY subscriptions so they can be blessed with branded products she uses? Why does she think women would gives two hoots what products she uses? This is seriously insulting to the intelligence of women. Gaaaawd. What brainiac thought this was a good idea? Pretty damn stupid, IMCPO.
cali
(114,904 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)so I could play War For Cybertron. Maybe. Personally, I don't think trying to solicit my interest with cleaning products and lavender soap quite addresses the nerdish range of diversity that I sort of represent as an old gal. This is sexist, ill thought out and lame. For a woman that got lambasted for saying that a political wife should stay home and make cookies, she hasn't learned a damned thing.
NO political sense at all. NONE.
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animalvet
(23 posts)Message clearly received
jwirr
(39,215 posts)toiletries. For God's sake we do think some of the times.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Her recipe for Christmas cookies, which she bakes for everyone at the State Department.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Hillary's Special "Flash" Christmas Cookies
Makes 256 cookies.
Store locally.
Serve privately.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)demmiblue
(36,898 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)In the last UK election
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)Spot on!
frylock
(34,825 posts)I couldn't block that shit from my FB feed quickly or often enough.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Its purpose is to make you not think about the "product" objectively or even logically, but to make you feel good about the brand itself.
It's a practice that really has no place in politics, and had no place in 2000 when Gore complained about it.
still_one
(92,421 posts)and there is no indication of that as of now
and there is no reason to assume the authors represent most American women's views of Hillary based on her support among American women
Laser102
(816 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Whose brilliant idea was this? Send me a box of dish soap and fabric softener and I'll vote for Hillary, because of course I'm a woman and it's really important to me to have the household products we women covet. Thanks, Hillary!
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)or leaves a soapy residue.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)And would an espresso maker be too much to ask?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I mean women can't just be in the kitchen, or cleaning the bath, they have to be having lots of babies too.
thesquanderer
(11,993 posts)...I'm surprised she's going anywhere NEAR these kinds of stereotypes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Too bad not all of his supporters share that approach.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)to those well off Volvo drivers.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And the coupons for free Botox injections
cali
(114,904 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Many threads attacking HRC for various non-policy related topics have been posted by you here that are antithetical to his admirable approach.
cali
(114,904 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I also really like Hillary and O'Malley and, for that matter, Joe Biden.
They would all be wonderful choices.
That said, none are perfect and there are certainly reasonable topics on which they can all be criticized.
That's my take.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He'd rather discuss her policies that he doesn't agree with.
There is NOTHING wrong with calling this idea tone deaf. It's just the truth.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But I think if someone brought it up to him, he'd tell that person it isn't important.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
oberliner
(58,724 posts)So there is more exposure to that side.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)For one thing, this only reinforces the notion that political campaigns are more about marketing than substance. Secondly and more importantly, this Thx Box is anti-feminist. It doesn't combat sexism. Rather, it promotes gender stereotypes and superficiality.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)still_one
(92,421 posts)either. It is simply an opinion. Has about as much weight as Huckabee telling Davis she has every right not follow the law
arcane1
(38,613 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)How friggin stupid does she think women are?
Her campaign is close to going seriously off the rails, and the best they can come up with is this?
I hope Trump doesn't see this.
840high
(17,196 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)She simply cannot run (or hire someone who can) a competent campaign...... this is a new low. Can you IMAGINE the howls of SEXISM!!!!! from HRC's supporters if "Women For Bernie" offered the exact same thing???
sarge43
(28,945 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I bet she would do well with a line on QVC.
Maybe coordinating kitchens towel set for Bed Bath and Beyond?
Toaster cozys?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)This is literally trying to buy voters with gifts. :/
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)This is from the Onion? Betty Bowers? No?
Such a cartoonish view of women.
bvf
(6,604 posts)This reeks of Karl Rove (or someone like him).
I'll reserve judgment until I've read a complete disavowal from the Clinton campaign, however. The people running same certainly don't seem to be the sharpest knives in the drawer, as the saying goes.
Skwmom
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"White women voters are harder on women candidates and hold them to higher expectations than male candidates." Just as black voters were initially hesitant to support Obama, "we dont want the first woman president to be a failure, said Bystrom.
One thing I'm 100% sure of - if Hillary Clinton were a man - I would feel the exact same way. If Bill Clinton were running, I would not support him for the same reasons I do not support Hillary. I'm supposed to give her a pass because she is a white woman like me? Really?
I'd love a woman to be President BUT I want that woman to be someone I can respect, someone who will work hard for the people instead of her big money backers, someone who says what they mean and mean what they say and that is NOT Hillary Clinton.
Clinton and the establishment Democrats have made a mockery of the democratic process. The people of this country deserve debates!
For the past several weeks I have watched your Clinton surrogates on television speaking in a disdaining manner about a very DECENT man who has never shown you anything but courtesy. The conduct of the women surrogates (and writers and activists) have made me ashamed of my own sex. I no longer think that women in politics would make for a better government. Women politicians, journalists and activists are just as unethical and sleazy as any man has ever been. The amount of political manipulation instead of a discussion on the issues is nauseating.
As far as Black voters supporting Barack Obama, I don't believe they were harder on him. You and your husband did everything you could to convince them not to waste their votes on Obama because he couldn't possibly win in the primary and general election. The same drum you are beating against Sanders. I hope the voters today do the same as the primary voters in 2008 and ignore that drum.
KoKo
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but....there it is in the links.
You know...it sounds like she's been "CAPTURED" by the Marketing/Think Tank/Wall Street crowd. I know Chelsea worked for McKinsey after College......and, I guess, it is what it is with that kind of Brand/Marketing solving all the World's Woes.
I don't know...anymore how this Model hasn't had a nail stuck into it so it died after the 2008 Global Meltdown we are still suffering under. But,...IT LIVES! And thousands of Young Kids going off to College and Grad School still suffer from the outdated and no longer useful "MBA SPEAK!"
BTW...I just read the earlier replies which were So Funny and On Mark..I have to give a to all those who posted! The John Oliver Video, and the rest. And, yours about her new Martha Stewart Image selling branded products as a favor for your vote. OMG!
We have some of the best, funniest people here on DU!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)But now that I know Hillary uses a lavender-scented countertop spray, she's won my vote. ~swoon~
(Thinking the sarcasm tag is redundant but, hey, you never know. )
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I'm shocked...
This is the feminist who doesn't make cookies....as if making cookies somehow makes you less of a feminist..what will they think of next.
Humor...this is part of the new Hillary campaign to show her as more human....right?
Right?!
On edit..
After reading the thread...she DOES make cookies! Who knew...I thought she was the woman who made an issue over it..
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..as a feminist and a woman.
A feminist for the candidate with the really pro-family, pro-human, pro-egalitarin, anti-war, anti-trade deal valuesBernie!
Gman
(24,780 posts)My wife is hosting a party. 25 RSVP'd already. Can't handle more than 30. Everyone is excited.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)They HATE her with a passion.
I've also run into some at work...biggest cheerleaders have been a couple of gay guys.
However, almost all have been open to hearing about Bernie.
2banon
(7,321 posts)she didn't go there. omg.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)I'm also a male member of "Women for Hillary". Just gives me a chance to donate more and support her campaign.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Hope that doesn't offend anyone.
thesquanderer
(11,993 posts)Did Obama have "African Americans for Barack"?
If these kinds of things pop up independently, okay... but to have the campaign specifically create something like this somehow rubs me the wrong way.
MADem
(135,425 posts)thesquanderer
(11,993 posts)...what bugs me a bit is for it to be an official campaign strategy.
If one or more Jewish groups want to organize "Jews for Bernie," fine. But If the Sanders campaign itself decided to create a "Jews for Bernie" sub-campaign, wouldn't that feel a little off? Like pandering? Maybe favoritism? Kind of divisive? "Vote for me because I'm one of you" may be a subtext to any campaign that can claim some differentiating demographic (Jewish, female, black, Hispanic, Catholic, whatever), but to officially campaign on it is something I find off-putting.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Muslims for Bernie would be fine, too--Flying Spaghetti Monster Practitioners for Bernie wouldn't bother me, either.
It's a form of endorsement. "This person shares OUR collective values," or "This person UNDERSTANDS our wants and needs."
It's not exclusionary (I don't perceive it that way, anyway, I don't feel 'defensive' about it) --it's just "Hey, our crew likes this one." No one minded the "Irish for O'Bama" thing going on, but some people did get touchy when BLACK people organized for him..."How DARE you so OPENLY support someone from your own TRIBE!!!"
Oddly enough, though--come to think of it, no one minded when the IRISH got together to support Kennedy, so maybe there's a racial element there...hmmmm. Gotta mull that one over, there! Of course, they did go a bit ballistic when the CATHOLICS got all organized and excited about him. So maybe there's a religious component, too--like you're not ALLOWED to tout one of your own, or something? Of course, when the Mormons went all in for Romney, if anyone said anything, it was "Hush--don't talk about religion!" Harry Reid had plenty to say to those Mormon elders, though--and Mittsy didn't get as much help as he'd hoped for...!
I'm free associating here a bit...don't mind me!
USA is all about the E Pluribus Unum...and Jews and other religious groupings are part of that 'pluribus' so more power to 'em. If members of a faith want to organize on those lines to support a particular candidate, go for it, so long as they aren't stumping from the pulpit and some religous official isn't demanding that everyone in the house of worship vote a certain way!
thesquanderer
(11,993 posts)...but wouldn't it strike you funny if the organization were actually created BY the Sanders campaign, as opposed to by some Muslim groups? That's the only distinction I'm making.
I'm sure Catholic groups were happy about Kennedy, but I don't think Kennedy would have said to his campaign folks, "hey guys, let's create a separate Catholics for Kennedy campaign." Or a "Jews for Kennedy" campaign, for that matter. It's not about whether, as you said, "members of a faith want to organize on those lines to support a particular candidate" -- that's great and, like you said, very American. It's about the campaign itself organizing along these lines.
Somehow I feel that if the Sanders campaign itself created "Jews for Bernie," there would be unfortunate consequences, like people saying "See? He's going to put Israel first!"
The point is, at the highest level, campaigns usually strive to be all-inclusive. What other, independent groups do is another matter entirely.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think Kennedy's team DID reach out to Catholics, in rather obvious ways, too--and hey, what ever! A few samples:
This is from this guy's blog: http://blog.historypin.org/author/jon/
?m=1384879310
?m=1384879306
http://www.uml.edu/News/stories/2013/JFK-50-Anniversary.aspx
Of course, they had to counter all that "taking orders from the Pope!" stuff and they did that as well:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/JFK-and-Religion.aspx
thesquanderer
(11,993 posts)I expect to see pictures of Sanders meeting with Jewish groups, and Hillary meeting with women's groups. But actually creating a public sub-campaign specifically to address these constituencies just seems off to me. Obviously you see it differently, okay.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)wanting a woman POTUS (we're long overdue). But the Thx box contents promote gender stereotypes and superficiality. It's anti-feminist. It also reinforces the idea that political campaigns are more about marketing than substantive policy matters.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)campaign merchandise, which seems more likely.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)" In this case, though, supporters will get household products that Clinton likes and uses (as well as campaign merchandise of course). People who order a Thx Box will even get a bitmoji of a pink pantsuit."
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Wow.
Creepy.
senz
(11,945 posts)what with Bernie and maybe Biden joining in.
I've noticed a flurry of "girly" stuff from the Hillary campaign over the past few days. Can't find all of them, but here are a few...
Ellen DeGeneres Interview Offers Hillary Clinton Chance to Connect With Women
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/us/politics/ellen-degeneres-interview-offers-hillary-clinton-chance-to-connect-with-women.html
Hillary's favorite things: 'House of Cards, chocolate, and sleep
http://www.politico.com/video/2015/09/hillarys-favorite-things-house-of-cards-chocolate-and-sleep-025051
There was something else about Hillarys emails showing her pleasure in yoga, tea, etc., but I cant find it.
There's also her humanizing campaign, clearly the brainstorm of her paid handlers...
Hillary Clinton to Show More Humor and Heart, Aides Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-to-show-more-humor-and-heart-aides-say.html
Hillarys Im a real person rebrand: Why her latest recalibration is self-defeating
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/08/hillarys_im_a_real_person_rebrand_why_her_latest_recalibration_is_self_defeating/
zazen
(2,978 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)This is so friggin' tone deaf.
I'm a lifelong feminist too and I'm trying really, really hard not to loathe her campaign, mostly because there's a small chance I might have to vote for her next November.
In combination with the shameless behavior of Debbie and the DNC, I'm ready to drop out of the Democratic party too after voting for Bernie. This is pathetic.
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SMC22307
(8,090 posts)to take a stand on any number of issues. That'll appease those silly ladies wantin' to know *stuff.*
It's so gimmicky, and I don't do gimmicky. Hopefully The Box will include a big bottle of Resolve. Or Woolite. Or Febreeze. Whatever you like, Hillary, I'll feel so at one with you!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Oh wait, that was the Thx1138Box - my bad, same effect.
Cheers!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I don't know about the women you know, but the women in my part of the country still make a fraction of what men make, they still are afraid to walk alone at night for fear of being raped, they still find barriers when they try to end abusive relationships, they still perform a disproportionate share of household chores in addition to holding jobs---and they still trust another woman more than a man to listen to them and help them with their problems as second class citizens.
There is nothing "condescending" about showing appreciation for women's culture. You know. Child rearing. Cooking. Cleaning. All of which women still do---in addition to their out of the home jobs. Oh, and if you think "beauty" is condescension, try applying for a job in our sexist culture without makeup or stockings.
I am a little bit tired of being told that I should trust a man to know what is better for me, as a woman, than another woman. Substitute "white" for man and "Black" for woman and you will know what I mean.
beam me up scottie
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Just being a woman isn't good enough for me, I support Bernie because he is the best candidate for women, minorities and everyone who is sick of lip service from so called liberals.
I choose the candidate who has the best track record on civil rights, one who never had to evolve and won't pander to the right wing.
Hillary isn't the best when it comes to women's issues and a fucking gift basket won't change my mind.
I vote with my brain, not my vagina.
I'm insulted that Hillary and her handlers think women can be wooed in this way.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Why is that women's culture?!
Sanders isn't offering subscriptions of cleaning products to women in an attempt to make a "personal connection." Would you think it condescending if he did? I would!
Why not when Hillary does? Why doesn't Hillary show a little appreciation for women's intelligence instead.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/03/hillary-clinton-women-campaign-issues/71657980/
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Who knew?
I find this condescending to the point of contemptuous. And tone deaf. How many women do you know can afford home deliveries of anything beyond 'meals on wheels'?
My friends and acquaintances are mostly digging through the sofa trying to find enough change to pick up 'store brand' whatever on their way home from work.
And we're supposed to believe that Hillary actually touches those products? She's been waited on hand and foot for a couple decades now. Criminies, her emails show she can't even directly email her lowly kitchen workers....she has to email an aide to email the kitchen to fetch her a friggin' iced tea.
This is clearly part of her "more spontaneous" and "warmer, friendlier" Hillary v3.0 or 4.0 or whatever she's up to now launch. F.A.I.L.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)a la the Onion.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)In 2008, Team Obama won Ad Age's Marketer of the Year Award. Link: http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-marketer-year/131810/
And he wasn't the first presidential candidate to do so. But it seems Camp Clinton has taken branding to a whole new (and disturbingly weird) level. So much for combating superficiality.
US politics keeps getting stranger.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)5. Bask in smug satisfaction that a corner of the internet that doesn't make a damn bit of difference, big picture, has been "SKOOOLED!!"
Harummmmph! So there!!!!
Alert on anyone who disagrees.
MADem
(135,425 posts)is trying to put on it is a bit ... sad. Really over-working an attempt to push a meme. Dragging the "sexist" word all over the place...but it doesn't really cut it if one reads the link.
This OP is a fail. It's certainly not "Ready for Bernie." He doesn't approve of what the OP is doing at all--he has said as much!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Household products, beauty products and a pink outfit for one's avatar. It's anti-feminist.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Go click the link, read the article.
Context always matters. Do be capable of some, now!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)"...supporters will get household products that Clinton likes and uses (as well as campaign merchandise of course). People who order a Thx Box will even get a bitmoji of a pink pantsuit."
The only thing I listed that isn't mentioned specifically is cosmetics. But that doesn't change the fact that it promotes gender stereotypes and reinforces the idea that political campaigns are just big marketing ventures. That's why several presidential campaigns have been awarded Ad Age's Marketer of the Year Award. That's not a sign of a healthy democratic republic. It's a sign of a corporate takeover.
So, "thanks for trying."
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)because it was suggested the article doesn't say what I said it did. But it does, minus the cosmetics part. If you don't think household products and a pink outfit promotes gender stereotypes and that mass marketing of consumer products is perfectly suitable to a campaign for POTUS, more power to you.
While you're at it, overlook Clinton's strong ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Monsanto, Burson-Marsteller, Corrections Corporation of America, etc., etc., etc. I'm sure you already do.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)It still doesn't make you right - and you're bring nothing original to this discussion.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)First I'm told I was wrong about what the article said. Then I quote the article to show that I'm not. Then I'm told quoting the article is redundant. Wow, talk about damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Instead of telling me I'm wrong, why don't you explain how this Thx box (with its household products and pink outfit) doesn't promote gender stereotypes. Or how it doesn't reinforce the notion that mass marketing of consumer products is perfectly suitable to a campaign for POTUS. Do tell.
While you're at it, you can address Clinton's ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Monsanto, Burson-Marsteller, Corrections Corporation of America, etc., etc., etc. Or the points raised here: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Nice cop-out. But let's try this again. First I'm told I was wrong about what the article said. Then I quote the article to show that I'm not. Then I'm told quoting the article is redundant. So, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Instead of telling me I'm wrong and instead of offering up more cop-outs, why don't you actually address the matter at hand. Why don't you explain how this Thx box (with its household products and pink outfit) doesn't promote gender stereotypes. Or how it doesn't reinforce the notion that mass marketing of consumer products is perfectly suitable to a campaign for POTUS. Do tell.
While you're at it, you can address Clinton's ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Monsanto, Burson-Marsteller, Corrections Corporation of America, etc., etc., etc. Or the points raised here: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)When, in fact, we're just yawning.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)But I'll give you one more shot.
Instead of telling me I'm wrong and instead of offering up more cop-outs (your latest has something to do with 'buzzwords'), why don't you actually address the matter at hand. Why don't you explain how this Thx box (with its household products and pink outfit) doesn't promote gender stereotypes. Or how it doesn't reinforce the notion that mass marketing of consumer products is perfectly suitable to a campaign for POTUS. Do tell.
While you're at it, you can address Clinton's ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Monsanto, Burson-Marsteller, Corrections Corporation of America, etc., etc., etc. Or the points raised here: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)No more cop-outs. Buzzwords? Goldwater Girl? Wow. Anyway, I'm generous, so I'm going to give you 1 last chance to actually address the matter at hand:
Instead of telling me I'm wrong and instead of offering up more cop-outs, tell me how this Thx box (with its household products and pink outfit) doesn't promote gender stereotypes. Tell me how it doesn't reinforce the notion that mass marketing of consumer products is perfectly suitable to a campaign for POTUS. Saying "you're wrong" is not an argument. Talking about buzzwords (still don't know WTF you're talking about there) and Goldwater doesn't address the matter at hand. So, c'mon, give it a shot.
While you're at it, you can address Clinton's strong ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Monsanto, Burson-Marsteller, Corrections Corporation of America, etc., etc., etc. Or the points raised here: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Thank you, kind sir.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I was giving you a chance to actually support (a novel idea) your assertion that I'm wrong. A chance to actually address the matter at hand.
Oh well.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or if Carly what's-her-face did the same thing?
Who here thinks Hillary's female supporters would appreciate being pandered to like this by a man or a Republican?
eridani
(51,907 posts)Sure women care about reproductive rights and equal pay, but lots of us want to put a stop to endless war, endless outsourcing, coddling of banksters, etc.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Both daughters are voting for Hillary Clinton
cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I think she'd be proud that I chose the progressive who has the best civil rights record.
Bernie is a damned fine feminist.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)We will have to agree to disagree. I am proud that all three of my children are strong Democrats
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Nobody said anything about you being proud that your daughters are Democrats. What's upsetting is the gender stereotyping that the reported contents of this Thx Box promotes. To say nothing of it being yet another example of how consumer capitalism has overtaken every aspect of political life.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)Both of my daughters are caucusing for Bernie.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)I am shocked and beyond belief. Please this has to be satire. If this is real you have lost it already.
Smacks of desperation.
Sorry, do not want to offend HRC supporters, but this is offensive.
Ms. 7wo7rees
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Household products? Seriously?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I'm not a Clinton fan, but I don't take any comfort in the idea that this could hurt her. Actually, I don't necessarily think it will hurt her. No more than her neoliberal history will hurt her. But it's damaging to women, and to feminism. And that's anything but amusing.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)First thing that popped into my head was this:
You'd think someone who considers herself a feminist champion wouldnt be so oblivious. She thinks we're so stupid as to be won over with fucking cleaning products? Its an insult.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)Alas.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)However, they didn't invite me even though I am also a registered Democrat.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Those sort of calls don't go to all registered Dems.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Is it not enough that pink has taken over the traditional orange and black of October? Is it not enough to assume all women love pink? Because, personally, I'd rather wear baby-poop brown than pink. I HATE that color.
I use to forgive the Koman people for the pink in October until they pulled their series of stunts because I thought it was for a good cause, but a politician pandering to women by using pink is just, well,
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)It's just letting the supporters have some fun. Lighten up, Francis.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It was the color I objected to. That "pink is for girls" nonsense.
I figured you'd get that since I bemoaned the color and not the pantsuit.
Why not make it red? It's a much bolder and prettier color.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Wearing pink was just to further invoke women, IMO. Whether we like it or not, pink is associated with female and blue with male.
I get your aversion to pink. I hate the color too. But the color of Hillary's pantsuit does not seem like a reason to hate her.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is understatement.
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)You've totally flipped the author's argument upside down. Why exactly?
"Its a shrewd move to connect with voters and humanize Clinton - especially in light of recent low poll numbers. But theres an awful big difference between wanting to vote for someone and wanting to be like them. Do women really want to be Hillary?
Im going to say yes. The constant barrage of sexist hate that Clinton faces will make young women voters more sympathetic to her, her cool grandma texts-from-Hillary online presence has been organic but smartly cultivated, and the female cultural icons of the moment - cough, Beyoncé, cough - are powerful. And whats more powerful than the first female president?
Thats not to say that the move wont get its fair share of eyerolls. A lot of people love to hate on Clinton - almost as much as they love to deride traditionally female endeavors. So a box of household products from Clinton is perfect fodder for sexist diminishment."
So the author thinks it is good idea and young women voters will like it, but recognizes that right-wing Clinton haters will use it for sexist diminishment.
I guess I am not clear why you would post a link to a positive op-Ed and then spin it as a negative op-Ed.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Household products, cosmetics and a pink outfit for your avatar. Holy anti-feminism, Batman!
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)That's sort of opposite from Cali's view, so that's why I was curious.
Anyway doesn't matter much in the big picture, I guess:
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Myself included. Regardless of what the Op-Ed said, this Thx Box is an affront to feminism and the effort to combat superficiality and gender stereotypes. It's also more evidence that political campaigns are more about marketing than substantive policy matters. Tough to combat the corporatocracy when you contribute to it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's insulting.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Maybe it's not too late to alter the contents of the Thx Box.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If a man had done this they'd be furious.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Apparently a letter (be it written, typed or digitally produced) insulates you from all criticism. I'm learning so much. Whee!!! Er, I mean Deee!!!
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That's a damn good question!
Why would anyone do such a trippy thing?
cali
(114,904 posts)I assume that you and others are fully capable of clicking on the link and reading the story yourself. I find the fact of this campaign gimmick both odd and sexist. The author of the guardian piece disagrees.
Hollingsworth
(88 posts)How would Bernie having a house party for exclusively for men pushing men's products go over? I can't even imagine it. Whoever had this idea for Hillary should be fired.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)Had to be a Repug undercover operative.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Are they going to spin 45s too?
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cali
(114,904 posts)And sorry but you have no right to speak for others.
You're incessant whinging is a bore. Don't like me? Don't like my posts? Too bad.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But I've heard that only happens to Hillary supporters.
cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)The nerve!
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historylovr
(1,557 posts)Well then, I guess I'll just have to switch support. Squee! Household products!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)KIDDING!!!
I would just say that so I could get a free one and use it to make lattes for Volvo driving Bernistas.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)This is just the weirdest thing isn't it.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Search your email, gals, I bet she wants you to get the goodie box too! I have no idea why I'd get this solicitation, except I did have a DNC card when Dean was running it. I never supported Hillary's campaign in '08. I was all in for Obama from the get go. So, with that caveat, here's my email.
Hedda --
Good: A heartfelt thank you.
Better: A heartfelt thank-you surprise package.
Best: A heartfelt thank-you surprise package from Hillary delivered straight to your door!
Sign up right now to get on the waitlist for a THX Box from Hillary.
THX Box is our new way to say thank you to our very best supporters. Well send several throughout the campaign, and each limited-edition box will include special Hillary gear, plus behind-the-scenes stories from Hillary herself.
Well only have a limited number of boxes, so dont miss your chance to get one! Sign up for the waitlist right now to be first to know how to get your box:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/thx-box/
Thanks,
Official Clinton Campaign
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)that the marketing of consumer products in a campaign for the highest office in the land might have some correlation to neoliberlism (or economic liberalism) and the massive amount of legalized bribery that determines election outcomes.
Or why Clinton has strong ties to Beacon Global Strategies, Burson-Marsteller, Monsanto, Corrections Corporation of America, etc.
Or why past presidential campaigns have been awarded annual marketing awards over Apple, Coke, etc.
Or why Robert Jensen would have written, "No matter who votes in elections, powerful unelected forcesthe captains of industry and financeset the parameters of political action. Voting matters, but it matters far less than most people believe, or want to believe."
I'm sure this is all perfectly healthy for a democratic republic. Nothing to see here.