2016 Postmortem
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At least, if he is the man I think he is, he is weeping. Here, on the first page of DU's primary forum, we have been told
1) Clinton's efforts to appeal to women as a woman herself are sexist
2) If you worry that mainstream America might not vote for someone who is Jewish then you are anti-Semitic.
3) If the mainstream media launches a groundless attack on a Democrat, we should help them as long as the Democrat is a rival of our candidate. Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Even if the enemy of my enemy is Fox News.
4) Democrats only want shiny new candidates, presumably because we get bored easily and treat our candidates as toys. Saying "I am tired" of a candidate is considered "issues" related criticism.
5) Being a "Democrat" is something to be ashamed of and we really wish that we belonged to some other party instead, but we do not have the guts to join that other party---why? Because that other party does not have a snow ball's chance in you know what of winning. See number 2 for extra irony.
6) "Kerry waffles" was a MSM abomination, but "Hillary waffles" is undeniable fact.
7) "Gore is a liar" was a MSM abomination, but "Hillary Lies" is undeniable fact.
8) Clinton has "shenanigans".
9) Clinton has a "kill list."
Gotta love the Democratic Primary. "Bull moose in heat" (Hunter S. Thompson) does not even come close. Party on, dudes and dudettes!
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Bonobo
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MADem
(135,425 posts)She helped him get elected to the Senate. She donated to his campaign, and she called up a whole bunch of her buddies and asked them to send money to him.
It's only natural that he regards her with fondness. I think he would look askance at the conduct of his (cough) supporters who denigrate her with such sexist viciousness. It's not his speed. I don't think he'd ever talk like that. I know he doesn't feel that way.
MADem
(135,425 posts)"I think for a variety of reasons, Hillary Clinton has been under all kinds of attack for many, many years. In fact, I can't think of many personalities who have been attacked for more reasons than Hillary Clinton. And by the way, let me be frank and I'm running against her: Some of it is sexist," Sanders, the Vermont senator, said Sunday in an interview on CBS's "Face the Nation."
Either you're with him, or you're not.
You don't have to vote for her. Just lay off the spurious attacks.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But Hillary's stances on the issues are not as appealing to me as are Bernie's.
Her campaign is not as focused as Bernie's. If the box story is true, it is a big distraction, a rather silly distraction, in my view. Looks like the gimmick of a corporate-bought candidate. Here, Tide is our friend. I'm sorry. But it turns me off to Hillary. I hope that story is not true.
Also, Hillary has shown poor judgment and has had to apologize for so many of her stances on issues in the past from the Iraq War to the e-mails (not her fault because other Secs. of State did it and she is not really to blame) to her stance on LGBT marriage and other issues. While we Democrats might like her new stances, the fact that she changed her mind so often on so many issues will be fodder for the Republican attack squads.
Bernie is just a stronger candidate.
If Hillary fans were better at explaining why they are voting for her, the posts they perceive as attacking her would not trouble them so much. The fact is that they can't respond to those posts because they don't have enough really positive things to say about Hillary.
Hillary is a woman. Hillary has some experience (although only in foreign pollicy does she have more experience than Bernie and some of her foreign policy experience is nothing to boast about; he has far more experience in the Senate and House so that evens out). Hillary has lots of money (mostly corporate and big donor money). Hillary has lots of endorsements. How solid they are is a big question as is how they were obtained. But she has them. Hillary has name recognition.
But name three issues on which Hillary's stance is better than Bernie's. Bernie wins hands down on the issues -- at least with Democratic voters. And even with Republican voters. Opposition to the TPP == Bernie. Universal single payer healtcare == Bernie. A veru sensible national security policy == Bernie (simple, clear and defensible). Labor issues including the minimum wage and sick and family leave == Bernie. The environment == Bernie.
Issue after issue, Bernie is better.
Sorry, Hillary supporters. Nothing personal, but on the issues, Bernie wins hands down.
Show me I'm wrong if you can. Which of Hillary's stances on the issues do you prefer to Bernie's?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thank you!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't think they're listening though, too busy dismissing valid concerns as Hillary hatred and sexism.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)some of the positions she does.
But its more than that. I don't know if you could call it personal or not, but it's disturbing that everything she does, everything about her seems so contrived, so scripted, so fake. I hate this cliche but she does not appear very comfortable in her skin, like she has allowed this caricature of who she really is to be created and now she has to live up to it.
I'm not sure, if the truth were known, that she really wants to be president at all. IMO she is running because she feels it is expected of her.
And the country cannot afford a president who has those kinds of doubts, whether they are expressed or not.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I hate to tell you this, but you are not the "set point" as to what might be construed to be a Democrat.
We are a big tent. Deal with it. And don't give up your day job--I don't think the 'little woman' is so stupid that she'd spend all this time planning a run for POTUS just to change her silly little girly mind and decide "Oh, golly, I thought I wanted that, but it's like that purse I bought last week--once I got home, I decided I didn't want it AFTER all!! Silly me!! All this trouble, for nothing!! Tee hee!!!"
Extreme 
for those who aren't appreciating the point.
Listen to you, using all those woman-y put down words--I can smell your bias from here:
Contrived, scripted (if she were a man she'd be "In control and on point."
Fake (if she were a man, she'd be 'Confident, outgoing, pleasant.')
Does not appear comfortable in her skin (Man: Energetic.)
She has no 'doubts.' You just have to acknowledge that your problem might be that you've never seen a woman POTUS candidate that actually had a shot, and wasn't going to play the "demure" card. She doesn't fit YOUR STEREOTYPE, and you are blaming HER for it.
You need to re-calibrate. Really.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And that's fine. But leave the sexism and the put-downs WRT her experience level at home.
Guns.
National Defense.
Foreign Policy.
There's your three issues. Here's a fourth: Women and children.
You need to keep up--Vermont tried and ABANDONED Single payer as TOO EXPENSIVE (and Bernie had nothing to do with that, in any event--he wasn't the executive, there). Bernie didn't "lead" on health care--he followed. And who did he follow? HILLARY. Why don't you go back and look to see what she was trying to get passed way back in the nineties when she was FLOTUS?
Pfft. Talk is SO CHEAP. And Bernie does have great talk, but you tell me how he's going to convince a GOP Congress to lose their collective minds and agree to "single payer"--that VT couldn't make affordable? He's a total Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows kind of guy--wonderful stuff, that will never in a million years get passed.
And if you think everyone at his rallies agrees with everything he says, I have a bridge to sell you. They're there for their pet issue. Yay, UNIONS--but screw that unaffordable health care! Yay GUNS--but screw that pacifist, isolationist shit! It's not an accident that the Rand Paul guys turn out in force for him--he's their 2nd choice.
Nothing personal? It's entirely personal. And that's fine. But don't pretend it isn't.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Her record speaks volumes to me.
It's not her.
It's me.
And I don't like her corporatism.
MADem
(135,425 posts)We don't make fun of his age, clothing, cankles or hair-do, we don't call him shrill or querulous, we don't dance close to the B word, but we do have a problem with his depth of experience. He represents a state that is smaller than the city of Boston in population, it is rural and white in make-up, it is 'gunny,' and it is insular in many ways. He hasn't had an opportunity to demonstrate executive talent (and running Burlington is a part-time job, so don't even go there), and I am not confident at ALL of his ability to hold his own on the world stage. His "avowed pacifist" stance and request for CO status will be brought up in a general election and he will be TOASTED for it--I don't really want to know how 'you' feel on this topic, I am completely confident that hay will be made by the right and even independents will get an "ick" over that--rightly or not.
That said, I think he is a nice guy, his heart is in the right place, he means well. If he wins the nomination, I will vote for him, I won't "stay home" or "pout" or do any of the things I've seen people claiming to be supporters say here, while I will be hoping that President Kasich doesn't fuck up too badly, and maybe we can take back the Congress while we sit in the wilderness once more.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)supporters, because they too disagree with her and have for a long time, on some pretty major issues.
So Bernie is fond of Hillary even though he disagrees with her, but his supporters are 'haters' because they disagree with her on the same issues, which are issues that are generally of concern to Democrats but on which she has been incredibly wrong. On DOMA, on Welfare Reform, on the disastrous Bush ME policies, on Marriage Equality, all issues on which Bernie has been RIGHT.
Too bad if there are people who do not want us to discuss issues during election season. That is what this election is about.
And this country badly needs a change of course, unless of course, people are part of the top most wealthy people in the country and have no idea what is happening, or don't care, to millions of Americans who despite working several jobs are still living at near poverty levels.
Bernie gets that, he always has. He opposed the Welfare Reform bill which Hillary boasted she 'got votes for' so not ONE vote, which is all HE had to try to stop it, but she used her position as First Lady, she proudly told us, to get as many votes as possible to push for that atrocious piece of right wing legislation.
I admire and love lots of people I know, but I strongly disagree with them on politics. There is simply no corelation between disagreeing with someone politically and 'hating' them, none so anyone claiming that is lying, plain and simple.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)If I said "I am all for a woman president, but I don't think America will accept it" and then I make posts about how she has no chance, and then I don't vote for her in the Primary as a result, that is fine and would NOT make my sexist.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Does Hillary have enough machismo for the job? I say she does, but there will doubtless be people in the general who point to her crying in New Hampshire as a sign of weakness. Remember, middle America wants us to be strong when it comes to other countries. They only want fair at home. Is this shameful? You bet. But we work with what we are given.
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)but it will fall on deaf ears here.
THIS IS A CAMPAIGN OF IDEAS. WE WILL RISE OR FALL ON THOSE IDEAS.
aka "thou shall speak no ill of a fellow Democrat"
pretty far cry from that here.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Gotta wonder if those being negative really know what they are doing--or if they know what they are doing and do not really want to win.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie's ideas are just better, more for the people, better conceived, better expressed.
Hillary's box idea is just not related to any issue. It's kind of a cute gimmick. No really serious problem with it. But it demonstrates the superficial approach being taken by some in her campaign to the voters of America. We cannot be bought by a box of household items.
We want strong stances, stances that are pro-Americans on the issues.
We want to know where she stands on the TPP, on the XL pipeline, on charter schools (can't be a strong union supporter if you favor private charter schools), on many issues.
All her endorsements, all the craziness in her campaign is irrelevant to the issues.
And on issue after issue, Bernie's ideas are stronger.
Don't take it personally.
Bernie is just a better candidate than Hillary. It's about the issues.
And one of the issues is judgment. Hillary has shown a lot of bad judgment and because of her poor judgment has had to change her view on many issues like LGBT marriage and the Iraq War. Bernie has great judgment, and has not had to change his mind as often.
That' snot a personal problem. The judgment issue is very relevant in deciding who is our best candidate. And you can bet that the Republicans will make a deal of her changing her mind so often if she is the nominee.
Do we really want a Democratic nominee who can be so easily attacked on so many issues? and so much of her history?
I'm a woman. I would love to vote for a woman for president, but I cannot vote for Hillary because I do not agree with so many of her stances on the issues and because I do not trust her judgment, her ability to make wise decisions.
And I will not be intimidated by posts intended to make me feel guilty for my honest appraisal of the candidates.
This is too important to quibble over whether one candidate's fans are insulting the other candidate's fans' candidate.
We are grown-ups. We have a serious decision to make. We need to consider all the factors when we make that decision. Loyalty is a virtue, but when it comes to picking a president, we need the best candidate we can get. I happen to think that is Bernie.
Ask me why and I can tell you.
I ask Hillary supporters why they think she is a better candidate than Bernie and the answers I get do not impress or satisfy me.
Hillary fans need to try a little harder to explain why they think she is the best candidate.
Bernie is gaining traction based on his stances on the issues.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I agree completely.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I love that supporters of Clinton are all atwitter about those awful abusive insulting Sanders supporters (who for the most part ar just people posting on a DISCUSSION BOARD, not writing speeches or advertisements for the candidate)...And at they same times those Clinton supporters are abusive and insulting themselves.
And for many of us, the fact that the Democratic Party leadership keeps serving up Corporate Third Way candidates who want to perpetuate the worst aspects of the status quo IS an issue.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Welcome back to DU.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)The shit being posted about Democrats, at what used to be Democratic Underground, is astounding.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Outraged Canadian 
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)
Orrex
(67,223 posts)On Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
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Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)1) Clinton's efforts to appeal to women as a woman herself are sexist
- Thx Box is weak sauce and at least registers on the sexist scale.
2) If you worry that mainstream America might not vote for someone who is Jewish then you are anti-Semitic.
- Concern trolls suck, we can agree there.
3) If the mainstream media launches a groundless attack on a Democrat, we should help them as long as the Democrat is a rival of our candidate. Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Even if the enemy of my enemy is Fox News.
- Facts are good, get the dirty laundry out so it is better handled in the general - nothing wrong with valid concern although some posts DO take it too far.
4) Democrats only want shiny new candidates, presumably because we get bored easily and treat our candidates as toys. Saying "I am tired" of a candidate is considered "issues" related criticism.
- Not shiny new but different, we tried it with Obama and got some of the promises, we aren't out of hope yet.
5) Being a "Democrat" is something to be ashamed of and we really wish that we belonged to some other party instead, but we do not have the guts to join that other party---why? Because that other party does not have a snow ball's chance in you know what of winning. See number 2 for extra irony.
- True - no argument. We want Democrats to be the Democrats of old.
6) "Kerry waffles" was a MSM abomination, but "Hillary waffles" is undeniable fact.
- Kerry wasn't a great candidate - he should have jacked those swift-boating fools up and not vote for the war.
7) "Gore is a liar" was a MSM abomination, but "Hillary Lies" is undeniable fact.
- They both have made their gaffes - fair enough.
8) Clinton has "shenanigans".
- More shenanigans than a drunken leprechaun - OK, I took liberty here, sue me. 
9) Clinton has a "kill list."
- Total horseshit.
Cheers!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)You're seeing things that aren't there.
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)The repetition of right wing bullshit talking points on DU against Hillary is shameful.
artislife
(9,497 posts)when you compare them to Bernie. That is if one is truly progressive. Poor H, she is too center and beholden to the Banksters, she set up TPP and wanted to go to war. Facts. Boo hoo, if your candidate is to the right of Sanders and O'Malley. One could always choose for the planet, for the workers, for nonGMO foods, for students...but she doesn't.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)This post was about Democrats.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And the audience.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Does the title mention Mr. Sanders or not? It does, and in addition it uses obvious pokes at Sanders and the bizarre reasons HRC folks are unhappy with Mr. Sander's rising popularity. QED, the OP was also about Bernie Sanders, rendering the comment, "And yet, this post had nothing to do with Bernie at all. This post was about Democrats" the usual misstatement to which we have become accustomed.
I'm moderately confident that you are a reasonable person. Bernie sanders represents our best reasonable hope to end the corporate control of our government, and Hillary just represents more of the same, if not much-much worse.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Sorry I couldn't elaborate. I posted that as I was waiting for a meeting to start.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I'm sorry that I came off snippy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just because some Dems put party loyalty over everything else doesn't mean we all do.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)
Ino
(3,366 posts)1. It's not her appealing to women as a woman that's sexist. It's trying to appeal using a gender stereotype. Ironically, Hillary herself would doubtless be offended if someone applied it to her!
2. ?
3. Exactly what "attack" are you calling "groundless"? Like it or not, just because something is reported in the National Enquirer, or on Fox, does not mean it is not true. Don't know what you're referring to though... just anything/everything??
4. A silly, whiny presumption. I'm sure Democrats want more than just shiny new candidates. "Clinton fatigue" is just as much an electability issue as the "who has all the money and weighted endorsement points" Hillary fans like to talk about.
5. It's sad when an Independent is more true to Democratic ideals than many so-called Democrats.
6. Hillary does waffle, as in can't make up her mind. It's kinda hard to argue with the video! Yup...
7. Hillary does lie. Uh-huh... watch her...
8. ?
9. "Kill list"... really? This is a direct quote? I've read hit list, or grudge list, but not kill list.
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Ino
(3,366 posts)There's the "anyone who doesn't love Hillary must be a freeper" charge designed to shut down/dismiss any criticism. Well played! 
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)about Hillary, one of the Hillary fans could say something positive about her like that she has held consistently progressive/liberal opinions since the beginning of her career on issues like LGBT marriage, trade, health care, etc.
Or that her policy in Syria has saved many lives?
Or how about something positive about her stance on the minimum wage or child care or equal pay for women?
The problem for the Hillary supporters is that on nearly every issue on which Hillary is good, Bernie is better.
It's a big problem.
But Hillary does have name recognition and the DLC machine behind her. Maybe that is what the Hillary supporters could write about on DU -- her superior name recognition and her support in the DLC and among corporate and very wealthy donors.
Cause those are her strong points.
When it comes to other issues, Bernie is in the lead.
Sorry, McCamy. You are a wonderful DUer. We all love you. But Hillary has to show us that she stands up for all Americans, that her ideas and her history are better than Bernie's. Short of that, it isn't anything personal, but she is not going to be our first choice as a candidate.
The TPP, the XL pipeline, negotiated on her watch. There is a serious problem with her candidacy and it isn't a personal vendetta on the part of Bernie fans. It's Hillary's own problem.
The people who point out the weaknesses in Hillary's stances and history are not to be accused. They are simply being honest. And if Bernie were not such a strong candidate, who knows, maybe we would all support Hillary?
But Bernie is just better.
Sorry. I appreciate the effort to defend Hillary. Loyalty is a wonderful virtue.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Issues, issues, issues. It’s all about substance. Bernie has substance, takes a stand and sticks to it. Not hard to understand why so many people are excited about him.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)A lot.
Every day there's a new post about some congressional insider who is endorsing her.
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I think she supports some policies that I don't agree with as a democratic socialist, and Bernie comes closer to hitting the mark. Nobody should spread falsehoods, attack her character, make sexist remarks, etc. and I think the vast majority of Sanders supporters get that. DU is a tiny slice of the internet, and even here only the loud few are the ones shaping your opinions of us.
Your #2 is really disheartening though. If Bernie being Jewish plays into your feelings about him as a candidate, you should be ashamed of yourself. There are lots of people who won't vote for a Jewish person, or a woman, or a black person, or a gay person. We aren't winning on the backs of those votes anyway, and our diverse party can afford to lose them if we must. Pandering to the lowest common denominator is for the other side.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I know this is not what Skinner and Elad wanted. But, it is what they have.
frylock
(34,825 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If Bernie or a Republican had done that you'd have a written a long angry screed about it but since Hillary and her idiotic staff are responsible you're perfectly fine with it.
Give me a break, it's not unfair or sexist to call out sexism.
What self-respecting feminist looks the other way when women are being treated like vapid consumers who can be wooed by gifts?
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Is she being treated?
I hope she gets well soon!
MoveIt
(399 posts)shouldnt those be personnanigans?
cali
(114,904 posts)
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)How about that for irony?
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)outside of the two brain cells rubbing together at Free Republic. In person or with agenda. People here just aren't stupid enough to even attempt that argument. Then again, I have seen some things written here that would embarrass most people I know. Ohhh, the anonymity of the internet.
Much of what you address is straight out of the right wings playbook. Simply know them for who they are. Anyone touting her as sexist clearly has bad intentions for progressives. They are tools of the right carrying the water for the clown car. Nothing more.
cali
(114,904 posts)And what a load all this nonsense about how all criticism of her is right wing.
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I never said it was.
"no one is claiming that she's sexist."
As I said, I highly doubt anyone here would be that stupid.
Not sure what your reply is for. You agree with me about no one being dumb enough to call her sexist here, then follow it up by some kind of challenge to something I never said.
What I wrote was very short but I will still take the time to highlight the part you missed.
"Much of what you address is straight out of the right wings playbook."
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)Not only in this thread (post 64), but in a truly disgusting post where you tried to make her sound sexist for giving Thank You gift baskets to supporters containing campaign swag and unidentified "household items" Hillary uses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=578834
Seriously. You compared Hillary to Oprah and Martha Stewart and accused her of stereotyping women-- because she gave out personalized campaign swag.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And that box of household "goodies" IS demeaning to women.
It's like your husband buying you a vacuum cleaner for your birthday.
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Seriously.
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)Got a link?
cali
(114,904 posts)anything to do with, was sexist in that it's gender stereotyping. See how easy that is to understand?
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)You resort to insults rather than addressing the issue. And you mistate your ridiculous OP.
So now you're not blaming Hillary, you're blaming some campaign worker operating without Hillary's knowledge. Yup, clear as mud. You have yet to identify what these items were that were so sexist.
Campaigns, virtually all of them, send their supporters something to show their appreciation. Please explain how when Hillary's campaign does it, it is "sexist stereotyping."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like Bernie:
is a racist, a gun nut, a Republican man with his head between women's legs, protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thought that orgasms prevented cancer.
You mean like that?
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)But just to amuse you.
Sanders is not a racist. I do think he is a gun nut. The pedophile link goes to a hidden post. I feel safe in saying Sanders in no way protects pedophiles. "racist cop" Sanders did have an issue in his campaign launch ignoring one of the most important issues we are facing today. He completely glossed over it and admitted that himself. He really corrected the course on a positive way there. "His rape fantasies" Get over it and Feel the Bern. Come on, we would talk about any Presidential candidate who wrote that. Mores o if they were actually a contender. That's why it wasn't that much as far as discussion. "Thought that orgasms prevented cancer" Did he. lol. I haven't read that and your link isn't working.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Either you don't see the attacks from other HC supporters or they're no big deal.
I didn't post it for your benefit anyway, I just wanted to expose the double standard and the hypocrisy.
"Much of what you address is straight out of the right wings playbook."
Thanks for proving my point.
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)You admittance to the need to deflect is pretty thoughtful of you. Strange but thoughtful at the same time. I can see why you didn't address my reply to the op in any way at all. You admit the ops basis in reality by calling it a double standard. Conflating it with those other links is your admittance. Deflection and recognition of the direction of deflection always shines the light on ones thought process. Enlightening. Thanks.
You linked to two hidden ops, a google search, three messages hidden by jury decision, and two links that don’t work. Seriously. That is how you make your point. Lol.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Most people have a different reaction.
I'll be around to hold it up whenever HC's supporters whine about how awful Bernie's supporters are.
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Then again, you linked to multiple hidden posts to attempt to make some point. lol.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have faith.
SunSeeker
(58,338 posts)And yet I see it here.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Plus he has a lot of class
see, that's the little sticking point, isn't it? when your candidate's posiitions either
1)do not exist
2)will only exist when the person becomes president
3)exist for the betterment of the 1%
4)are in line with centrist or even the republican agenda
it kind of sucks to be in a campaign that is about issues.
that leaves personal attacks, or accusing another candidate's supporters of attacks because there are no issues of substance to stand on.
sad, really.
Beautifully state.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
MoveIt
(399 posts)Bernie is about the issues, Hillary is about vague ego-driven politics.
Bernie clearly states his position, and then states that Hillary does not share that position, on issue after issue. And it works.
That's why they are left with nothing but attacking personality, and going after supporters, because if it is not already clear,
THEY
HAVE
NOTHING.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)
BooScout
(10,410 posts)DU ain't what it used to be.
cali
(114,904 posts)dsc
(53,416 posts)The right wing hack who denegrated dead African American Congresspeople to make a swipe at Hillary not so much. Glad to see you have some standards one couldn't be blamed for thinking nothing would disturb you.
cali
(114,904 posts)a Jew because if she does she'll be called antisemitic while saying it's sexist to point out the sexism in Hillary's campaign engaging in gender stereotyping.
And that author did not denigrate AA congress members.
As for Hillary. I think she is dishonest, a hawk and ethically repugnant.
dsc
(53,416 posts)she merely called them insignificant, and had no idea why memorializing them might be important. The fact you can't see that says a whole hell of alot of ugly about you and nothing about Hillary.
cali
(114,904 posts)And.you are being less than honest. She said that do to the youth of the crowd they weren't significant figures to them.
dsc
(53,416 posts)if you think that is an attack then that speaks volumes. And clearly she felt those two weren't worth of wiping her butt. The fact she thought those around her agreed with her take only shows her to be clueless as well as classless.
MoveIt
(399 posts)
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Autumn
(48,978 posts) Nice shout out to the faithful. Jesus wept. Wow the spin on the posts you don't even bother to dispute in those OPs is hilarious. It's very telling when a person has to go after a candidates supporters because there's nothing bad to be found on the candidate that will stick. . ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Of course, we all know it is the old "
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)Like, from this thread:
"What filth."
"LOL. Bad mischaracterizations. nt"
"*pffft"
"Bwahahahaha"
And they DON'T do groupthink, like this:
"Very well stated."
"^^^THIS^^^"
"/\_/\_This_/\_/\"
"0/\_/\_And this_/\_/\"
"+ 1000 nt"
"a freakin men. nt"
"Hear, hear!"
"+1K"
"^^^THIS^^^"
So stop with the "transparently manipulative" broad-brushing already!
On edit: Weird, subliminal arrow crosses are weird.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)OHHHHHH, the DRAMA!
Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #76)
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)whenever they erupt into GD with the stuff that gets nothing but whistles and those brief little nods of agreement that people give in conferences--the rest of us can just stop and stare at what goes on in the sandboxes
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I don't think he is sitting in hos room Hamlet like weeping "Oh My Suppoters. They have it all wrong!"
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)
kath
(10,565 posts)Disruptive META. Why is this thread not locked???
99Forever
(14,524 posts)....neoliberal desperation. It warms my heart.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)started. I think it will be back to normal after Super Tuesday. Mean while we do what we gotta do.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)
Guess they're really beginning to Feel The Bern, or is it Fear The Bern?