2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Redux?: REINVENTING Herself Like its 2007
from DailKos....
My take on Clinton's loss to Obama in the 2008 Presidential campaign is that she largely self-destructed by continually re-inventing herself, apparently responding to focus groups and polls. That alone was not fatal, however. What really hurt her was that she advertised the continual re-settings by way of her campaign announcing them. Of course, they didn't say explicitly that that was what they were doing. They just said things like:
or
But the above quotes are from today's NYT, not from 8 years ago.
As is this:
It's no wonder people find her calculating, insincere and untrustworthy. Who's the real Hillary? The poll-tested, focus-group tested person? What's unfortunate for her is she could probably get away with it if her people didn't talk about it. The contrast in the 2008 campaign with Obama's staff was striking: they never talked about their strategy, whereas Clinton's people did what they are doing now all the time. Maybe this time she'll learn to at least shut them up or maybe she'll show us the authentic version for a refreshing change.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/09/1419622/-Clinton-Redux-Reinventing-Herself-Like-its-2007
Uncle Joe
(65,516 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)The rest of us see the same flame-out as last time.
I am sorry Hillary, if Sanders and O'Malley weren't running you'd be my first pick, sadly you are my third or fourth depending.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,221 posts)I know it's not feasible, but I wonder if she wouldn't be better served without her army of Big Brains who can't seem to keep their damned big mouths shut and let the candidate speak for herself. But then, it's not Podesta or Mook popping up in the news -- it's usually a "campaign spokesman" (always a different one, it seems).
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)You're probably right, but she likes the machine.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)NO!!!,.....Its NOT The Onion!
David gives an upper cut to her advisors.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)even if the ploy wasn't advertised. People know when someone is being genuine... that's one thing that's so appealing about Sanders.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 05:26 PM - Edit history (3)

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