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Doingto

(135 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:52 AM Sep 2015

Glenn Greenwald: Biden (who took credit for writing the Patriot Act) is worst alternative to Hillary

Sources:
Buzzfeed (Sept. 10, 2015)

“And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill,” Biden continued, referring to the Patriot Act. The act broadened the surveillance capabilities of U.S. law enforcement agencies as it relates to identifying potential terrorists, and many of its provisions have been opposed by liberal Democrats and civil libertarians.

It wasn’t the first time Biden took credit for the Patriot Act . On Meet the Press that same year, he made similar comments referring to the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995.

“I introduced the terrorism bill in ‘94 that had a lot of these things in it,” Biden again said.


Glenn Greenwald:
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/641988601430024192
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Glenn Greenwald: Biden (who took credit for writing the Patriot Act) is worst alternative to Hillary (Original Post) Doingto Sep 2015 OP
I didn't know that. postulater Sep 2015 #1
I agree. But, I hope he runs anyway. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #2
Yep, it would hopefully put a fork in Hillary's run. n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #4
I think Biden is somewhat to the right of Clinton. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #3
Probably. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #5
I tend to also think that a Biden entry would decrease Sanders' chance of winning. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #7
I don't think it would have much impact either way. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #8
About that huge lead in national polls.. frylock Sep 2015 #19
Huh. If Glenn Greenwald is bashing him, he's probably a pretty strong candidate. DanTex Sep 2015 #6
So Marco Rubio is pretty strong because Greenwald bashed him? Doingto Sep 2015 #11
I was thinking Obama. DanTex Sep 2015 #12
More definitions! Bonobo Sep 2015 #18
Biden & Hillary are teem players olddots Sep 2015 #9
The Patriot Act and the Bankruptcy Bill in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #10
And the RAVE Act makes three... Fumesucker Sep 2015 #16
the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act magical thyme Sep 2015 #13
Democrat Bashing Underground. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #14
And it's now (D) worthy to support the Patriot Act? Hydra Sep 2015 #17
We're trying to discuss policy here. frylock Sep 2015 #20
Biden takes credit for Viet Dihn's work. OnyxCollie Sep 2015 #15

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. Probably.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:13 AM
Sep 2015

The difference might be negligible, especially given all of Clinton's ties to seedy corporations and firms. But I don't want yet another neoliberal in the race. I think Sanders supporters greatly overestimate how much Biden would help Sanders. If Biden runs, it just means the nominee will be either Clinton or Biden.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. I don't think it would have much impact either way.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Biden is definitely going to draw more support from Clinton than from Sanders. That's borne out by surveys and by logic. But that also means that, if he doesn't run, Clinton's already huge lead in national polls would grow even bigger. Plus, Biden entering the race means Sanders would get even less media coverage.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. About that huge lead in national polls..
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:09 PM
Sep 2015
Clinton's lead over Sanders shrinks as her edge over GOP vanishes

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination has fallen to just 10 points, and at the same time, her advantage in hypothetical general election matchups against the top Republican contenders has vanished, a new CNN/ORC poll has found.

The new poll finds Clinton with 37% support among Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, down 10 points since August, followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders at 27% and Vice President Joe Biden at 20%. Sanders' support is about the same as it was in August, making Biden the only candidate to post significant gains in the last month. His support is up 6 points in the last month as he weighs making a run for the presidency.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-poll-women/index.html|

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
18. More definitions!
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:53 PM
Sep 2015

re·ac·tion·ar·y
rēˈakSHəˌnerē/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or a set of views) opposing political or social liberalization or reform.
synonyms: right-wing, conservative, rightist, ultraconservative; More
antonyms: progressive
noun
noun: reactionary; plural noun: reactionaries
1.
a reactionary person.
synonyms: right-winger, conservative, rightist; More

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
10. The Patriot Act and the Bankruptcy Bill
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

Two real winners, eh? I think Joe should run!

That hands the nomination to Bernie. Joe and Hillary are both RIGHT of center. Bernie is not and neither is the majority in this country.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:51 PM
Sep 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995

Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, US Senate bills S.390 and S.761.

Senator Joe Biden introduced the bill on behalf of the Clinton Administration on Feb. 10, 1995.[2][3] The bill was co sponsored by Senators Alfonse D'Amato, Dianne Feinstein, Robert J. Kerrey, Herb Kohl, Jon Kyl, Barbara A. Mikulski and Arlen Specter.[4] Representative Chuck Schumer sponsored the bill (H.R. 896) in the US House of Representatives.[3] Following closely on the heels of Executive Order 12947, prohibiting transactions with terrorists, President Clinton described the bill as a "comprehensive effort to strengthen the ability of the United States to deter terrorist acts and punish those who aid or abet any international terrorist activity in the United States" and requested "the prompt and favorable consideration of this legislative proposal by the Congress".[5]

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
17. And it's now (D) worthy to support the Patriot Act?
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:47 PM
Sep 2015

Wow, are we going to build solid gold statues for Ronald Reagan and GWB next?

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
15. Biden takes credit for Viet Dihn's work.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015
Viet D. Dinh
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/dinh-viet-d.cfm#

During his time at the Department of Justice, Dinh played a key role in developing legal policy initiatives to combat terrorism—namely, the USA PATRIOT Act.


Dinh is on the Board of Directors for News Corporation.



Dinh has a close relationship with Rupert Murdoch.

News Corp. Director Leading Phone-Hack Probe Has Personal Ties to Murdoch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-06/dinh-s-ties-to-murdoch-under-fire-as-point-man-in-hacking-probe.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors, obligated to assess Rupert Murdoch and other top executives’ handling of the company’s phone-hacking scandal, are relying for guidance on Viet Dinh, a board member with personal ties to the Murdoch family.

Dinh, 43, is point man between the independent board members and a panel that New York-based News Corp. (NWS) created to cooperate with authorities probing phone hacking by the defunct News of the World tabloid and to evaluate company standards.

A Washington attorney and Georgetown University Law Center professor, Dinh has been a friend of Chief Executive Officer Rupert Murdoch’s oldest son Lachlan since 2003 and is godfather to Lachlan’s second child. In 1992, a decade before they met, the South China Morning Post, then owned by Murdoch, helped Dinh free his sister from a Hong Kong refugee camp.

“Usually it’s required that an investigation like this is undertaken by a committee of independent directors,” said Jay Lorsch, a Harvard Business School professor who has served on the boards of four publicly traded companies. “It’s very hard to be objective if you’re involved in any way -- financially or emotionally -- with the family of the chief executive you are supposed to be supervising.”


Viet Dihn is representing a former HP director.

Hewlett-Packard spying scandal sheds new light on US corporate “ethics”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html

The chairman and a half dozen other top officials have resigned or been fired at Hewlett-Packard, the biggest US personal computer and printer manufacturer, amid a scandal over illegal corporate spying that has unfolded over the past month.

The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.

Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called “pretexting,” in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.


And former Attorney General Michael Mukasey's law firm is advising Dinh in News Corp's phone hacking scandal.

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.

Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.

“Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board,” Elio said in an e-mail.
She declined to comment further.


News Corp. Independent Directors Hire Debevoise Law Firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html

Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) director, during a scandal at that company.
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