I don't agree with this writer from the Daily Banter about Bernie.

[rusty quoin]

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/09/face-it-sanders-fans-youd-turn-on-bernie-in-a-heartbeat-if-he-actually-won-the-white-house/

I'll leave it up to you. I don't dismiss Obama because he has not done exactly what I wanted. I am a pragmatists:

If there’s anything we’ve learned from the presidency of Barack Obama it’s that a lot of self-described progressives are petulant children for whom no candidate will ever be good enough, fair-weather friends who are more than happy to support a candidate but who turn up their noses as soon as he or she is put in a position of actual governance. See, there’s no such thing as an elected official who will give you everything you want, and more than any other partisan bent it’s the left that reacts terribly to not getting every single thing it wants. The left loves to ignore inconvenient political reality — and the impact of political reality is simply an inevitability for elected officials.

And this stuff:

A President Bernie Sanders just wouldn’t be able to do a lot of what he wants to. And his supporters in particular likely aren’t the kind of people who tolerate being let down, given that they’re trained to expect the worst from those in authority and the liberal tendency toward independence and means they’re somewhat famous for killing their idols in that position. Hell, Barack Obama is the most progressive president this country has seen since FDR and yet many of the hardliners on the left still aren’t willing to give him a break. All it would take is a couple of drone strikes by a President Sanders — a man suddenly in the position to potentially understand the value of them — and a deal with Congress that’s nothing more than a best-he-can-do and the knives would come out, the Tweets would pile up, and cries of betrayal would echo off every flat surface in D.C.

WTF? That's not me.

[flamingdem]

1. Valid points

Especially regarding foreign policy.

[marlakay]

2. I talked to hubby about this today

He said Bernie won't be able to do anything.

I said Bernie is older, he isn't looking for a big job when he retires from president. I think congress will get his point when he stays tough and vetos more.

He will be like president Johnson who said my way or else and got a lot passed.

[rusty quoin]

5. I hope, with the right congress.

[dsc]

9. It helped the Johnson took over for a martyr and was advancing many of the martyrs goals

then won the largest vote share at least since FDR and maybe since Monroe ran unopposed and had an immense majority in Congress that he pulled in. In 1968 when he was a lame duck he couldn't get what he wanted.

[Skwmom]

3. What tripe. n/t

[rusty quoin]

4. He says that Obama is the most progressive since FDR. That is foolish.

[dsc]

10. who was more progressive since FDR overall

Truman had a foreign policy that would make us irate 24/7 as did Kennedy and Johnson. You can make the case Truman and Johnson were more liberal on economic issues but Obama is more liberal of foreign policy and civil rights than either of them. And he is way more economically liberal than Carter was.

[Skwmom]

18. I'm referring to the comments on Sander supporters. n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

6. Oh yeah, I totally see this coming down the highway

Should Bernie get to this point of Commander in Chief the cries of betrayal will begin almost immediately.

Bernie has already stated he sees the value of drones. If you can avoid boots on the ground and loss of American soldiers it's the way to go. Some here prefer we not ever engage, but that's really not a possibility.

When he signs a jobs bill that contains a ridiculous Republican add-on,like say, a cap on the minimum wage after 15.50 for 15 years, that will cause the howling too.

Comes with the job. It's not "President of the Progressives in the United States" It's President of The United States, including the red ones and the people who did not vote for him.

[randome]

12. Agree. You either compromise or allow the government to be shut down.

Until we weaken the GOP much further, those are the only 2 options available.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bucky]

15. Right on. Until we can get more Dems to vote in off-year elections, we'll continue this seesaw gov't

[frylock]

7. The difference between Sanders and Obama is that Bernie will at least make an effort..

Obama didn't have the votes for single payer, but he never even tried. But we all saw that he could utilize his bully pulpit for the things he really wants, like TPP. In short, fuck this guy.

[Uncle Joe]

8. Apparently the author hasn't paid attention to Bernie's words.

"Let me tell you right now what no other candidate will tell you. And that is, no one who is elected President of the United States can do it alone. No one in the White House will have the power to take on Wall Street alone, Corporate America alone, the billionaire class alone. The only way that change takes place, is when we develope that strong grass roots movement. Make that political revolution, stand together, and then we bring about change."

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/detail/july29organizingmeetingat7pmetpt/wrqj

Thanks for the thread, rusty quoin.

[DanTex]

11. Most of his die-hard supporters turned on Obama a long time ago, so, yeah, this writer is correct.

If Bernie became president, one of two things would happen:
1) He would accomplish nothing.
2) He would compromise and end up with accomplishments similar to Obama's (although probably not as many), and then get thrown under the bus.

[Fawke Em]

19. No. We didn't.

I would be considered an Obama die-hard. I voted for him in the primaries in 2008. I supported him over Clinton.

Do I think he could have done more? Sure. He should have started negotiations from the left and not the center.

Do I think he could do everything I wanted? No. He had the worst Congress in my lifetime for most of his presidency.

Am I allowed to criticize him and still like him? You're damn straight I can.

[LondonReign2]

13. Oh good, it's been a while since we had a nice hippie punching

"You liberals suck ass. Now vote for the Democrat!"

[Bucky]

14. a good deal of emotional projection going on there

I don't think the writer understands that democracy is about participating, not just voting and then silently obeying.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Well, at least he didn't call us Reds, Commies, Anarchists, or Hippies.

[Hortensis]

17. The disaffection of a worried nation, agitated by a cynical and foolish press,

should not be attributed to one group of political followers. Besides, the numbers of those sympathetic to what Bernie wants to accomplish range far beyond those this person imagines to be "hardliners on the left."

This guy clearly does not realize, or want to admit, that we intend to continue what we started when we elected President Obama. And that "we" includes solid majorities of all Americans who voted in the last two presidential elections.