Man... I Would LOVE To Be A Fly On The Wall For Tomorrow's DNC Meetings...

[WillyT]

Polls Show Bernie Sanders Leading Hillary Clinton In Iowa And New Hampshire
Democrats are feeling the Bern.
Igor Bobic - Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
Posted: 09/13/2015 12:58 PM EDT


The Washington Post/Getty Images

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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton among likely Democratic presidential primary voters in both early states of Iowa and New Hampshire, according to a new CBS/YouGov poll released Sunday.

In the Granite State, the self-described democratic socialist has opened up a whopping 22-point lead over Clinton, 52 percent to 30 percent.

Even more worrying for Clinton, however, is her performance in the key caucus state of Iowa. According to the poll, Sanders leads the secretary of state in the Hawkeye State by a margin of 10 points, 43 percent to 33 percent.

The CBS/YouGov poll of Iowa surveyed 1,670 registered voters online and over the phone between Sept. 3 and Sept. 10. It had a margin of error of +/- 4.4 percent. The CBS/YouGov polls of New Hampshire surveyed 1,350 registered voters online and over the phone during the same period. It had a margin of error of +/- 5.1 percent.

Surveys this early in a presidential contest say little about who will win the eventual nomination. Clinton still maintains large structural advantages in campaign staff, endorsements and financing. But the new polls will likely raise more questions about her viability, especially as Vice President Joe Biden continues to weigh entering the race.

Sanders' surge has come as a surprise even to himself. He said earlier this week that he was "stunned" by polls showing him leading Clinton.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/polls-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-iowa-new-hampshire_55f59fb9e4b063ecbfa4a816

[Hollingsworth]

1. ''He said earlier this week that he was "stunned" by polls showing him leading Clinton''

Debbie and Advisers are stunned too, but in another way.

[840high]

2. I'm loving it.

[hifiguy]

13. I imagine them wearing the expressions of disbelief

seen on those who have been hoist on their own petard.

Lovin' it!

[Old Crow]

28. Here's what I'm seeing...

Debbie Wasserman Schultz (wild-eyed, pulling her hair): "THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING!"

[bklyncowgirl]

61. She's feeling the Bern for sure. Ouch!

[JDPriestly]

85. They are deciding how to fund negative ads. That is what they are doing.

Do they seriously think they are going to win over Bernie supporters no matter how ugly the Republicans get if they decide to go negative on Bernie? I think they need to watch themselves carefully and really play fair. It's what is right for the country that matters not what is good for their campaign war chests.

[Duckhunter935]

3. Bet Hillary

Starts calling for more debates

[Blus4u]

51. She should call for more debates...

...because nothing else seems to be working!

Peace

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Bernie's really got to knock off these 'stunned' type comments.

It's not a good thing when a candidate sounds like he didn't even consider himself viable. That might not be how he means it, but it's certainly open to that sort of interpretation.

[WillyT]

5. To Be Frank... Even Us Supporters Are Stunned...

And happy as hell.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. It's fine for us to be, we're not running :)

I just don't want him handing ammo to his detractors.

[WillyT]

7. I Understand What You're Saying, I Do... But...

One of his selling points is his authenticity.

I don't want him changing that in any way.

He's been stunned by the turn out, the support, the small donor funding....

As have we all.

This is an American Story, and a pivot point in American Politics.

No need to edit.

[Major Hogwash]

10. Americans love to root for the underdog.

This is as American as it gets!

[Lucky Luciano]

33. Yup...it makes more sense for me personally to root for HRC.

...but I can't help but love watching the underdog! I am even rooting for him.

[retrowire]

69. why does it make more sense for you to root for Hillary? n/t

[Lucky Luciano]

71. From a pure self-interest point of view.

I would probably pay more taxes under Bernie.

[retrowire]

72. ohhh alright. understood.

well, you are important as well as your family. but do think of the majority and the greater good and ask yourself, would it hurt you to pay more taxes? if so, continue on with hillary, if not, perhaps reconsider?

[Lucky Luciano]

80. I said I was rooting for Bernie. Can't help it, but I do feel the Bern. nt

[retrowire]

81. oh okay! NOW i understand. sorry about that! n/t

[dorkzilla]

11. Agreed, this is who he is and I don’t think we should expect anything less than 100% sincerity

I don’t want him to start acting like some crass buffoon who think he’s gods’s gift or he’s got the nomination locked up. I want him to continue to be the Bernie we all already know and love.

He is who he is and to want him to change that now would make him just like all the other candidates.

[hifiguy]

14. I can't imagine Bernie changing at this point.

He's been the same man all of his public life. Like Popeye, he yam what he yam.

[zentrum]

17. Well said!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

49. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Javaman]

78. I know many who are stunned, I'm not.

the pulse of the nation is that people are tired of the bullshit and are refreshed at hearing answers and not double talk.

Bernie tells it like it is and never couches his comments.

I have followed Bernie for many years and always thought he would make a very fine president.

It just took the correct circumstances for people to realize this.

the people have been beaten up by the rich, the powerful and money'd interest run politicians. they want someone who speaks for them.

Bernie has always spoken for me.

Now it's dawning on the people of this nation that he speaks for them as well.

[Live and Learn]

21. I'll take stunned over arrogance any day. nt

[Old Crow]

35. You may be aware of this...

... but the "I'm stunned" comment didn't come out of Bernie spontaneously. It was prompted by a pointed question from Wolf Blitzer in a recent CNN interview:

WB: You must be stunned--be honest, be honest--that you're ahead in Iowa, you're ahead in New Hampshire....

BS (smiling): So you want me to tell you the truth?

WB: Tell me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

BS: Yes, I'm stunned. Look, we have a message that I believed was going to resonate with the American people.... But did I think (the issues) would resonate as quickly as they have? The answer is no.

After Blitzer's set-up--("You must be stunned--be honest, be honest&quot --I think it would have seemed smug to have responded with, "No, not stunned. A little surprised, perhaps."

Link to the interview:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/09/10/bernie-sanders-elections-2016-wolf-intv-pt-1.cnn/video/playlists/wolf-show/

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

63. No, I didn't know.

It makes more sense in view of that info, thanks.

[ibegurpard]

62. I disagree

That's humility...it's relatable and people like it. You can't fake it.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

64. True.

I've spent too much time watching politicians who 'play the game', and learning to look for all of the things they so that win votes, learning how to spot the rhetoric that is used to win votes. I've let my own mind be trapped into thinking he needs to 'play the game' the way other successful politicians do. But that's backwards. He's surging BECAUSE he's just himself, because he's NOT playing the game.

[davidpdx]

66. Very good point

[noiretextatique]

83. just what i was thinking

humility is not weakness...arrogance is.

[Skwmom]

68. That's why Wolf Blitzer was the one who posed and pushed the question.

Just another sly way of pushing the corporate meme.

[kenfrequed]

73. This was a goaded comment by Wolf Blitzer

He sort of asked him three times if he wasn't surprised/stunned etc.

Of course Bernie eventually agreed that he knew his message would catch on but that he was surprised that it had caught on so quickly.

Blitzer just badgered him until he gave that answer so not the mainstream media has the "bernie was stunned" line, even though those weren't his exact words.

I really want to pelt Wolf Blitzer with water balloons.

[1monster]

79. He qualified that statement with something like he'd never expected the

campaign to take off so fast or that he would be this far so early. He didn't say that he thought he wasn't going to win in the long run.

[tblue37]

82. Or it could reveal him to be humble and without any feeling of entitlement. nt

[JDPriestly]

86. Let him be himself. That's why he is ahead -- because he allows himself to be himself -- to be

human. He is not a political machine. He is a compassionate public servant, and that is who we want for our president.

[Backwoodsrider]

8. he is stunned

Sanders is doing a great job widening the discourse in the demo primary and not hitting the demo candidate Hillary Clinton but I don't think he wants the burdensome job of leader of the free world so that is why he is stunned. He did not think his ideas would get such a reception. He is a visionary but knows the tedious job of president is about deal making and consolidation and not about dreaming. He has the nations ear right now a nation that is ripe for new information but don't think for a minute he wants to have to deal with the GOP's BS in congress. He wants to retire out of hopefully a democratic controlled senate in a few years and can say 'a j0b well done'. He is doing great as a truth teller and the real leaders understand where he is at and what his mission is.

[Major Hogwash]

9. I'll bet the corporatists in the DNC are shitting their pants!

Bet they never thought that they would ever see this day come when their money couldn't buy the White House!!

[TheFarS1de]

24. I bet they are ...

the price tag changed recently from cash to integrity , the other contenders are checking their moral bank accounts and most are shocked at how little they have in there

[Joe Turner]

44. What you said!

kick

[salimbag]

47. Good one!

The morally and ethically bankrupt politicians are on their way out! Feel the Bern!

[arcane1]

76. "Some people are so poor, all they have is money"

I don't know where that quote came from, but it sticks.

[Blus4u]

84. The most intelligent one liner

I have read in three years.

Peace

[djean111]

12. You forgot the "in my opinion". Also you forgot that he said he only would run if he thought he

could win. Your post sounds more like wishful thinking. IMO.

[magical thyme]

18. I think he believes the job is about the "bully pulpit" and leadership, not

dealmaking and certainly not dreaming.

Nice try though.

[Ed Suspicious]

22. This.

[questionseverything]

29. he probably did not want the job..he just knew we needed him

that is what real leadership is

we that back him are happily stunned the message has traveled so FAST, but not in the least bit surprised that once the message is heard voters flock to bernie

[Indepatriot]

32. COMPLETE BULLSHIT. Sanders KNOWS just what he's doing. Winning the White House.

[peacebird]

34. I think you may be right about what the corporatist DNC thinks Bernies mission is, but imagine

their shock when he wins the nomination!

[99Forever]

15. Packing your bags yet Debbie?

Don't go away mad, just go away.

[Marty McGraw]

19. +1000

[SoapBox]

27. LOL

Just say buh-bye, Deb!

[marlakay]

16. The people are talking!

He is all over the internet. I just got two new FB friends yesterday and the first newsfeed stuff that came up was all about Bernie!

Not someone I am close to, teacher of a gym class I took.

I have been surprised by all of my FB friends loving him. The liberal ones no surprise, but others, who don't normally talk politics posting all kinds of atuff.

That is the media he is getting, is the media we all use now.

[artislife]

56. Isn't that just crazy?!

I had "Ready for Hillary" posts back when she announced and I bit my tongue and didn't "like". Now....no Hillary posts anywhere and people I am very surprised about are posting Bernie quotes....repeatedly.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. What is this election about?

If you're with the established order, Ms Wasserman-Schultz, then you're wrong.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Are they holding the meeting in the Bastille?

[Le Taz Hot]

26. LOL!

Pretty damned close!

[artislife]

55. I love your use of the humanities to make a point

I just imagine you to be very wise and educated, in the Cambridge or Oxford kind of way.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

57. My mother immigrated from England.

I've been to England. But, Cal State Northridge rather than Cambridge or Oxford.

[artislife]

58. You got your education at her feet...nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Indeed! And add to that his packed house tonight in Greensboro, NC!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128050498

The DNC establishment elites are gnawing their arms off right about now. ENJOY, DWS!

[reformist2]

40. And some of them are wondering if they should jump ship... and swim over to Bernie's ship!

[Fearless]

30. But but but... margin of error!!1!

[dflprincess]

31. Once they get over staring open mouthed at each other

and pointing fingers about whose fault it is. They'll probably turn to the topic of "how do we stop this".

We can only hope that someone will leak what the topics of discussion were.

[Old Crow]

37. "How do we stop this?"

You know, you're probably right about that. It's a sorry state of affairs when the heads of the Democratic Party can't be trusted to promote democracy, isn't it?

[dflprincess]

42. Yes it is

but I witnessed the way the state DFL leaders shoved Amy Klobuchar down our throats in 2006 (against all the rules) and I have no doubt there are plans at the DNC to stop Bernie.

I imagine they're arrogant enough to think they can get by with it because they'll assume all of Bernie's supporters have "no where else to go".

I'll support the Democratic nominee as long as the process is fair but if they screw us over this may be the year this old hack finally jumps ship.

[Blus4u]

52. How about a debate, duh

That is all.

[Warren Stupidity]

36. I just invested in the manufacturers of adult depends.

There is going to be a lot of pants shitting tomorrow.

[Old Crow]

38. Ha ha ha! Truly LOL funny. Good thing I wasn't sipping my coffee! (N/T)

[L0oniX]

39. K & R

[MrMickeysMom]

41. I sort of envision it like this...

[beam me up scottie]

59. LMAO!

Well done, MrMickeysMom!

[Backwoodsrider]

43. dont get me wrong it would be great if Sanders became president

However I don't think society is ready for his out of the mainstream thinking, not yet. But I am getting some hope that maybe we are not going to run off the cliff together but that universal law has everything covered. It will all turn out. Just 9 months and we should all know who takes on the goofs in the clown car.

[eggplant]

46. See, this is where things go off the rails.

His "out of the mainstream thinking" *isn't* out of the mainstream. It *is* the mainstream.

It's just not what the media portrays.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

50. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Backwoodsrider]

53. thats the human condition we always think we are the middle

But it appears Sanders appeals to the political enthusiasts who are concerned about an election more than 12 months away, If it was not for the media we ALL would be saying "Bernie who?". Elections are often decided by the middle and they aren't even tuned in yet.

[jeff47]

54. Which of Sanders's positions is actually out of the mainstream?

We don't have to guess based on what the media says. We have polling.

Re-regulate banks and similar policies to get "big money" back under control? Large majority.

Raise minimum wage? Majority.

Raise taxes on the wealthy? Majority.

Invest in infrastructure with that money? Majority.

Free/reduced cost education? Majority.

Pay for it via a tax on financial deals? Majority.

Single-payer healthcare? Majority.

What position, specifically, is "out there"?

[cascadiance]

77. And in 1992 neither party had a majority of support by the voters when Clinton was elected...

20% of the electorate felt abandoned by both parties on NAFTA when they voted for Perot then, which allowed Clinton to win with a plurality, not a majority of voters. Had he stood against NAFTA then, then I think he might have had a solid majority of voters behind him then perhaps. Similar this time when you have the two major parties also trying to push through TPA and other free trade deals too, and the public rejecting that, and gravitating towards candidates that don't support these "free trade deals" when they support Bernie on the Democrat's side, and Trump on the Republican side who's come out against the TPP/TPA and H-1B Visa program too.

[eggplant]

45. The thing to keep asking yourself is this...

...how many Clinton supporters have defected to become Sanders supporters,
and how many Sanders supporters have defected to become Clinton supporters?

It seems to me that the movement is only in one direction. But maybe that's just what I'm seeing.

[Fumesucker]

65. I can think of a Sanders to Clinton defection that came as a surprise to absolutely no one

As I recall the poster did not wish to be thought guilty by association with such rude, crude and socially unacceptable people as other Sanders supporters.

[eggplant]

67. That's their right, of course.

Most people I've spoken to prefer to choose their candidate based on the candidate. But I'm sure that there are people who see politics as a cult of personality, and not about choosing the best person for the job.

[rpannier]

48. I'm stunned as well

Didn't realize that he'd catch on this well
Makes me happy for 2 reasons:
1. I'm supporting Sen Sanders
2. I want a competitive primary

[eridani]

60. I think they'll probably asjust--just like they did with Obama n/t

[malthaussen]

70. They'd probably swat you.

You need to be a more discreet bug. See if the NSA has any openings.

-- Mal

[DaveT]

74. What the DNC and the MSM don't understand at all

is that it isn't Sanders who is their problem.

It is us. We are sick of the game that they have been playing since the Reagan days. With some exceptions, Hillary's support is mainly from people who cannot believe that we can win a national election on our issues. What converts them to Sanders is not a reasoned policy analysis that leads them to favor Bernie -- it is convincing themselves that he can win.

The "professionals" who staff the DNC and who talk as experts on cable television are wrong and we are right. We can and probably will win the 2016 election on our issues.

The electorate that elected and re-elected Barack Hussein Obama is not the same group of people who gave Reagan his landslide in 1984, or who gave Gingrich his congressional "revolution" in 1994 or even W Bush when he managed to hold the White House. Demographics coupled with universal frustration at the alleged recovery since the Bush Crash have turned this into another country -- far different from the place where Schultz and Blitzer and Todd built their careers.

[Populist_Prole]

75. Excellent analysis

"It is us. We are sick of the game that they have been playing since the Reagan days. With some exceptions, Hillary's support is mainly from people who cannot believe that we can win a national election on our issues. What converts them to Sanders is not a reasoned policy analysis that leads them to favor Bernie -- it is convincing themselves that he can win.

The "professionals" who staff the DNC and who talk as experts on cable television are wrong and we are right. We can and probably will win the 2016 election on our issues"

It really is that simple. It's not a horse race, or about pride in a team: It's policy.

[LeftOfWest]

87. me too WillyT

me too.

thank you for this info.