Hillary goes to church; SHE'S PANDERING! Bernie goes to Liberty; HE'S JUST REACHING OUT!

[SonderWoman]

Hilarious.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. Well, he wasn't pandering. Read the transcript or watch the video.

It's really just that simple.

[SonderWoman]

3. Oh he wasn't? How precious.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. Get back to me if and when you can answer as an adult.

[morningfog]

17. Don't wait up. They joined to play this part.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. Or maybe re-joined. nt

[morningfog]

34. No doubt about it.

[murielm99]

65. Anyone can point fingers and play that game.

I agree with SonderWoman, and I joined a long time ago.

I support this site. I have a membership star, to prove it. Where's yours?

[roguevalley]

87. again, talking to a group in an auditorium even in a religious school is not going to a church

standing behind a pulpit and preaching. He has gone to many colleges to talk. He has yet to go to a church and use their pulpit. As for the star, who gives a shit.

[ohheckyeah]

91. Who gives a shit?

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The owners probably do as do those who actually financially support DU.

[beam me up scottie]

105. I financially support DU and I don't give a shit.

Having a star next to your name doesn't give you the right to shit on people who don't have one.

[ohheckyeah]

107. I agree

and never said or implied it did. I merely answered the question. I wish we could still buy people stars. I've done quite a few because people who didn't have one were getting shit on.

[beam me up scottie]

108. I wish we could too.

A kind duer bought me one when I lost my job and I paid it forward when I got back on my feet.

[mythology]

132. Calling Liberty University a school is a stretch

They are a deeply conservative arm of a deeply conservative church. I don't have a problem with him going there, but it's the same school that defunded the student organization for Democrats for having views incompatible with the university. Not that I generally consider anti-choice and anti-same sex marriage people Democrats.

[morningfog]

112. Oh, well, you have a star.

I am not familiar with you, probably because you didn't but recently join and post nothing by flame bait.

Previously banned posters can and do return. And they are usually quite obvious.

[Stainless]

131. No Membership 'Star' by choice

Because I refuse to contribute money to organizations who's members use their status symbol as a cudgel to bash those who don't have one. I proudly wear my 'no star' as a badge of honor.

[murielm99]

135. Status?

I support organizations I believe in. Cudgel? What foolish hyperbole.

I believe in DU because I have always learned things here and been able to discuss politics. That is not true at the moment. But after the primaries, I think it will be true again, when this place again becomes the Democratic, rather than the Bernie Underground.

Bernie will not be the nominee. The bullies here will either support the nominee, or go away.

[questionseverything]

10. <shrugs>

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/%C2%A0%E2%80%A6

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton. . . .

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.

Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.

[randys1]

126. The Intercept? Never heard of it, do you have this info from a source that is known

and credible?

Then let's assume it is true, but I really dont, but let's say it is.

What happens if Bernie loses the nomination?

What do you do?

I am just curious.

Not trying to catch you at anything.

[questionseverything]

127. if lee fang is not credible enough for you,i don't know who would be

Lee Fang
Lee Fang is a journalist with a longstanding interest in how public policy is influenced by organized interest groups and money. He was the first to uncover and detail the role of the billionaire Koch brothers in financing the Tea Party movement. His interviews and research on the Koch brothers have been featured on HBO’s “The Newsroom,” the documentaries “Merchants of Doubt” and “Citizen Koch,” as well as in multiple media outlets. He was an investigative blogger for ThinkProgress (2009-2011) and then a fellow at the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute and contributing writer for The Nation.

In 2012, he co-founded RepublicReport.org, a blog to cover political corruption that syndicates content with TheNation.com, Salon, National Memo, BillMoyers.com, TruthOut, and other media outlets. His work has been published by VICE, The Baffler, The Boston Globe, the San Francisco Chronicle, The Progressive, NPR, In These Times, and The Huffington Post. His first book, “The Machine: A Field Guide to the Resurgent Right,” published by The New Press, explores how the conservative right rebuilt the Republican Party and its political clout in the aftermath of President Obama’s 2008 election victory. He is based in San Francisco.

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bernie losing is not an option for me

catch me in this...i hate the for profit prison industry

[questionseverything]

128. bill's history

1. Before the NH primary he flew home to oversee the execution of Ricky Ray Rector.

Once elected Clinton endorsed the federal "three strikes you're out" law from his 1994 State of the Union address.

2. Clinton signed a $30 billion crime bill that created dozens of new federal capital crimes, mandated life sentence for three-time offenders and authorized more than $16 billion state prison building grants. Clinton's "tough on crime" policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prisoners of any president in US history.

3. Clinton signed the Republican-led bill into law -- The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which ended welfare by giving block grants for TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), that imposed a five-year lifetime limit as well as a LIFETIME BAN on eligibility for welfare food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense including first time simple possession of marijuana.

Washington under Clinton slashed funding for public housing by $17 billion and boosted corrections by $19 billion, making prisons the nation's main housing program for the urban poor. Because of his "one strike and you're out Initiative, Clinton waged the toughest admission and eviction policy that drove out any minorities swept up in the drug war and made them homeless, locked out of mainstream society with the title Felony and locked out of their own homes.

4. Clinton enthusiastically embraced Reagan's 1981 infusion of military intel, research, weaponry and equipment to local, state and federal police across the country. WORSE, HE OFFERED MONEY to officers and departments for drug arrests. Paramilitary SWAT teams that used to serve routine search warrants for drugs surged, since city or county-led arrests got them $153 in state and federal funding.

Was that enough for Clinton? Hell, no.

5. Clinton backed Reagan's Byrne Act to the hilt to seize under forfeiture both property of alleged drug possessors and all property of anyone deemed associated with them -- grandmas, friends, anyone.

80% of all forfeitures went uncontested because even when a person was found innocent of criminal conduct, once the property was seized, the owner had no right of counsel and the burden of the property's "innocence" was on the innocent. $1 billion in assets between 1988 and 1992 alone. This doesn't even include DE or other federal agency actions, either.

And they didn't get kingpins; hell, no, they got little guys. Poor folks locked out of a racist, uncaring society, trying to just get the basics, are hit the hardest by the war on drugs. Today, drug tasks forces run like wolf packs because of federal grant incentives. In Oakland, task commanders would start a shift with "Let's go out and kick ass...Everybody goes to jail tonight for everything, right?"


hat tip to....ancianita....she wrote the above, but i agree with every word of it
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we can not stand any more of this

[daleanime]

11. It really doesn't make any difference.....

for you, does it?


That's kind of sad, of well, have a lovely evening.

[MoveIt]

13. "precious"?

Did you read it or are you just blustering and sneering?

[noiretextatique]

23. 1. he was invited to speak, 2. he didn't change his typical speech

3. he challenged the students to be good christians, per christ's teachings, not jerry falwell's. i have not seen Clinton's speech at the church...wonder why? if it wasn't pandering, you would just post the speech, instead of doing this. epic fail...but i am sure you will keep trying

[Fawke Em]

36. Let's be honest. He did change it slightly, but only to highlight what the

Bible says about the morality of taking care of the poor, the elderly and LIVE children (not fetuses).

He used the books of Amos and Matthew to make his point, but in no way was he pandering. He was using their language (without sounding like a fool trying to emulate their voices) to make his same point.

[oberliner]

63. Does he always quote the Bible in his speeches?

Or was that unique to this appearance?

[Ed Suspicious]

69. Unique, as far as I have seen. But he was not pandering. He was trying to sell his ideas framed in

a language they would have a tough time rejecting.

[yeoman6987]

79. Hillary wasn't pandering either

She went to the church she went to while they were in Washington. Lots of people go back to the church they went to when they lived at home and visiting their parents. Although Hillary wasn't visiting parents, she was visiting the church she went to when she lived there.

[Ed Suspicious]

82. I honestly don't really pay that much attention to Hillary or her church-going habits. I have no

problem with her going to church or playing a round of mini-golf or picking up a hot dog from a cart vendor or hanging with her grandchild while her husband goes out with the boys or whatever she does on an autumn Sunday.

[Aerows]

129. Damn!

I know this is a total non sequitur, but I'm hungry and I was trying to figure out what I wanted to eat.

Then you mention a hot dog! Loads of yummy mustard ...

[noiretextatique]

74. he was at a christian college...maybe he should have talked about the devil?

you have to meet people where they are. and the gist of the speech was to be a real christian, not the republicon variety. where's clinton's speech?

[oberliner]

114. My point was that I think he did change his speech slightly to suit the audience

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it wasn't the exact same speech as the other poster claimed, I don't think.

[840high]

53. Hey precious - how old are you?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. Don't think they'll listen....

[roguevalley]

86. Sonderwoman, you are wrong and this is how.

Bernie went to a college and spoke to the group in an auditorium about the issues. He didn't stand at a pulpit and being in a gym in a college, secular or not, is not being in a church preaching. Hill went to a church and preached. That is the difference.

Your anger is misplaced and your sarcasm sad.

[yeoman6987]

120. Didn't president Obama go to a few churches when he was running?

[morningfog]

2. Compare what they each said.

Bernie was honest when he took unscripted questions from the audience and his message was the same as at any other venue.

[ibegurpard]

4. Get back to me with Hillary's speech at the church

And we'll compare them.

[Thinkingabout]

14. She attended church, she was not the minister, give the woman a break, allow her to exercise her

Right to attend a worship service.

[jeff47]

22. She didn't just attend. She made a speech.

It was intended to be part of her campaign. That's why she invited the press.

[passiveporcupine]

133. I personally have no problem

with her speaking at a church as part of her campaign.

As long as she is not telling them they have to obey God and vote for her...she is welcome to address all kinds of focus crowds. As is any other candidate.

This is a nothing issue.

[jeff47]

134. Yes, the goalposts look better over there.

The person I was responding to was writing as if she just sat in the pews, and didn't bring a crowd of reporters with her.

That's quite different from speaking at a church as part of her campaign.

[Luminous Animal]

27. She did speak at the service. As did Chelsea

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/09/13/clinton-celebrates-anniversary-of-her-washington-church

[Buzz cook]

67. "During her remarks, Hillary Clinton steered clear of politics"

During her remarks, Hillary Clinton steered clear of politics, recalling the role her Methodist church played in her upbringing in suburban Chicago. She reflected on attending a speech by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in Chicago with her youth pastor and friends, and said her late mother, Dorothy, taught Sunday school and encouraged her to live by the teachings of John Wesley, one of the co-founders of the church.

So she attends the 100th anniversary of a church she is a member of. But there is this.

A lifelong Methodist, Clinton was joined by her husband who sat with her near the front of the church, and their daughter, Chelsea Clinton, who spoke briefly about her time as a member of the church's youth ministry.

Lifelong Methodist? Don't those fools know Hillary is a fundie Christian dominionist just waiting to impose rightwing theocracy on the US? /sarcasm

[Luminous Animal]

75. I'm not criticizing. Jut merely pointing out that she did indeed speak from the pulpit.

The person I responded to declared she did not.

Also, I kind of resent that she brings up attending an MLK event (in 1962, by the way) but then went forward from there and became a Goldwater girl. She certainly did attend the event but apparently, it had little impact on her early political engagement in regards to civil rights.

[mhatrw]

85. So it was just a Faithto Op. n/t

[ohheckyeah]

92. here you go:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-talks-about-faith-family-to-mark-dc-churchs-200th-anniversary/2015/09/13/578657a2-58e3-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

[Thinkingabout]

5. Yea, really, this isnt the first time she attended services at this church.

She doesn't even need to brag she attended, this is Hillary, down on our level.

[morningfog]

12. Oh she's on your level alright.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Why do you say things like this?

[morningfog]

19. You said it first?

[murielm99]

66. Now who is being childish?

[azmom]

57. LOL

[questionseverything]

16. most people do not announce going to church

or sully the pulpit by giving political speeches

[Thinkingabout]

24. Did she invite a large audience or go to a place with compulsory attendence?

[questionseverything]

35. no idea...i don't follow her unless i read a du headline

but since she is in deep with the for profit prison industry i guess she could arrange truly compulsory attendance


https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/%C2%A0%E2%80%A6

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton. . . .

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.

Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.

[Fawke Em]

39. Their convocation wasn't compulsatory either.

Don't give me news links. I've talked with the students. OK? Please follow along.

[jeff47]

55. Yes, she did invite a large audience - the press corps.

And "compulsory attendance" would come down to whether or not you thought missing a week of church would send you to hell.

[Luminous Animal]

33. She announced that she was going to attend and speak in a press release.

[artislife]

6. You are correct

She wasn't pandering. She is a Christian who practices her faith. She was exploiting.

He was invited to speak about his view of politics by a crowd that did not have him change the text of his speech to suit their beliefs. He was respectful to their faith but clearly stated views he has that is not in alignment with theirs.

Thus, he did not pander either.

[Rose Siding]

118. If he spoke to a Jewish group, would you call that exploitative?

turn about and all

[artislife]

123. It is kind of like Christian privilege

One, to make the example pure, he would have the camera's follow him into the synagogue on the Sabbath.
Two, is that he wouldn't be able to convey his "regular American" status practicing the Jewish faith.


Rose, you know that being other than Christian is a very big hurdle to all those "regular Americans", don't you?

[Control-Z]

7. Exactly.

Every time Sanders adds a line or two to his standard stump speech about issues he really doesn't seem to care about, he is brilliant, thoughtful, and inclusive. With Hillary it's pandering, panicking, or lying.

So tired of it.

[Fawke Em]

43. He's been adding lines to each speech no matter where it's at.

He know his core, but he also knows he can't be boring.

[Control-Z]

50. What does that even mean?

Never mind. No response needed. It had nothing to do with my post. Just gibberish.

[Lisa D]

77. Jury results:

On Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:21 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

What does that even mean?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=593986

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

It was not "just gibberish." And this post is hurtful and rude.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:28 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Response was rude, but not bad enough for a hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I do not see how this is hurtful, just an expression of exasperated capitulation.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[aidbo]

8. I knew this was coming.

From what I've read, LU invited all the Dem candidates. She could've accepted too.

If Bernie's poll numbers were slipping and then his campaign announced he was going to church (or temple, I guess). You might see a few headlines saying he's pandering.

Here's an article about him pandering if it makes you feel better.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/sanders-shamelessly-pandering-to-voters-who-want-to-hear-truth

[longship]

15. I suppose Hillary Clinton's association with "The Family" is inconsequential.

I don't want anybody who associates with that religious group anywhere near the White House. I would really like to hear Ms. Clinton address this. I doubt that she will.

However, I would take her at her word. I am not against her, but I am somewhat uncomfortable with some of her past. She would have to convince me.

[beam me up scottie]

29. +1

[jeff47]

20. You know, they both might have said a thing or two...

...might be kinda important when looking at the difference.

[Aerows]

21. Well that's original.

Steal my post

"
If Hillary does it, it is smart campaigning and reaching out to potential voters.

If Bernie does it, it is pandering. "

I guess it must be effective if you folks are stealing it.

[questionseverything]

37. imitation is the best form of flattery

[Aerows]

40. My favorite is the white, rich, male Hillary donors

deciding "for" black people that they don't like Bernie Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251591120#post45

I've tried to hold my tongue, but this has gotten plain stupid.

[MoveIt]

44. does anyone take that one seriously?

#Cotillion

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. The #cotillion hashtag. It fits perfectly. Hope you don't mind if I use it from time to time.

[MoveIt]

72. I like to keep my finger on the pulse of millionaire America

[Fawke Em]

45. I just blew a gasket on one of the Cornel West threads, too.

Don't feel bad.

[questionseverything]

49. he was dishonest with that report too

i expect better of dems

[LondonReign2]

51. And intentionally lying while doing it

Given that bold-faced lie, that OP is as likely to be a wombat as white, rich, or male.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

81. He claims he went to dinner with Sanders. Just the two of them and their wives.

And then today he attempted to shank Sanders with a lie. I'm not sure if he's the worst friend in the world, or just someone telling tales to make himself look grander.

[rhett o rick]

25. Hillary Clinton panders, I guess there is no question about that. Read or listen to Sen Sanders

speech, I dare you, and tell me he is pandering.

[beam me up scottie]

26. One went to call out Christian hypocrites and the other went to join them.

Seems pretty cut and dry.

[CharlotteVale]

32. [phone]

[Aerows]

41. Damn straight. n/t

[artislife]

52. !Snap!

We are going to have mutant humans for a couple of centuries after that one!


heh.

[restorefreedom]

58. plus a freakin million. nt

[bvf]

64. In for the win!! n/t

[LeftOfWest]

89. and there it is.

well said.


very well said.

[Divernan]

109. Bernie took UNSCREENED questions from his audience. Hillary? crickets!

[beam me up scottie]

110. He's fearless.

[ctsnowman]

117. .

[mindwalker_i]

28. So when Hillary went to church, what was her message?

Specifically, did it change from her normal message? In contrast, did Bernie's message change when he went to Liberty?

[JackInGreen]

30. Hillary went to service

Bernie held service.

Bit dif'rnt

[rock]

38. LOL!

That's what happens when one side just makes up stuff (pulls stuff out of their you-know-what)! Welcome to DU. Hope you stay a while!

[snagglepuss]

42. Whereas Hillary echoed the conventional religious beliefs of her audience (iwo panders).

Bernie challenged his audience to think about their beliefs in a new and deeper way.

[reformist2]

46. Since when is going to a church courageous??!!

[840high]

56. Since yesterday.

[Cleita]

47. ...

[Blus4u]

48. No, the OP was

Hillarious.

Peace

[restorefreedom]

59. so still no threads on actual policy differences, just the victim card again?

sad.

[PatrickforO]

60. Seems to me there's a difference between going to church to worship and being invited to

speak to the student body at a Christian university.

Your reasoning here is fallacious, SonderWoman because you are not comparing apples to apples.

Now, if Bernie had gone to Synagogue, and Hillary had gone to church, you could either say both were pandering, or that both were honestly going to worship. You might even be able to say that one was pandering and the other not, particularly based on their respective attendance pattern in church or synagogue. I mean, if Bernie never, ever went, and then suddenly started going, we'd have to question that - though I suspect he's too genuine for that kind of stuff. I don't know how often Clinton has gone to church, and what her motives were to begin attending. If it was political, then yes, it is pandering. If she genuinely seeks to worship then it is not.

I must question her statement that the Bible is her favorite book, though. I don't know anyone in the world who would say that, except maybe a few hundred thousand fundies.

Because, hey, these fundies would get their undies in a knot if she didn't go, you know? Still, I'll take that at face value because I read the bible regularly. It might be her favorite book...

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. A church and a University are not the same thing.

Even the Christian Liberty University is different than a place of worship. A University is a place where young adults go to study and learn and at Liberty it's Christian atmosphere. A church is where one goes to pray and worship.

What's the rub?

[kacekwl]

62. That's what being honest and sincere

gets you. If your every move is scripted you are perceived that way.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck

No one said don't talk to religious voters. Shilling for "family values" is a whole nother kettle of fish.

[Aerows]

130. It amazes me

how so many people have amnesia of that stance.

She has "evolved". Bernie Sanders didn't have to "evolve", and neither did Martin O'Malley.

Sorry, Hillary, some of us remember.

[delrem]

71. Bernie goes to Liberty, he opens with an acknowledgment of DIFFERENCES.

Bernie goes to Liberty and speaks about very difficult issues, with people who have already thought through many of these things and have arrived at different conclusions, and he acknowledges and respects that.

It wasn't a church, it was an academic institution - (and at this time I really don't want to hear of your disrespect)

It'd be different if Bernie had gone to his very own church and spoke to his well known friends, in a media event making it a national story.

That's perhaps too subtle of a difference for you to understand - but it's a difference none the less.

[progressoid]

73. Yes, hilarious.

Hilarious that you think the two are similar.

[cyberswede]

76. Embarrassing post.

It's clear you didn't watch the speech.

[Gloria]

78. Strange.....was watching a panel on MSNBC and the woman who seems

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to be a regular (don't recall her name, mature black woman), said that Bernie brought in supporters, which explained why there was cheering that you wouldn't expect for pro-choice comments.
I didn't hear that reporting after that...

Update...this was reported in The Guardian....also reported that most were politely quiet, other than supporters from several colleges outsside of Liberty

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. You're right. She is pandering and Bernie is reaching out.

[McCamy Taylor]

83. Indeed. Everyone knows, its ok---unless Hillary does it.

[mhatrw]

84. Bernie Reached Out Like Ernest Angley.

[Live and Learn]

88. Meh, Hillary went to a Methodist (religion she was brought up with) church

for a service to appear Christian and gain political points . Bernie went to a Christian University (not a church) even though he is not Christian (although his actual morals are more Christian than most Christians) to find common ground and spread actual morality despite the fact that it might cost him political points (at least in some circles).

Bernie actually believes in what he is doing and it comes across loud and clear.

ou aren't changing any minds here so what is your actual purpose?

[ohheckyeah]

93. But you think

you are changing minds?

[Live and Learn]

94. Obviously not yours, but one can't count on miracles, can one?

That said, you really should at least listen to his speech. It might just soften your heart. Miracles do happen sometimes.

[ohheckyeah]

96. I did

read it and it was good. Never said it wasn't.

It doesn't take a miracle for me to change my mind - just takes the right thing at the right time. Hyperbole doesn't qualify.

[Live and Learn]

98. Try watching it. Authenticity does better in person. nt

[ohheckyeah]

100. That wouldn't

Be in person. I saw parts of it and it was good. I have no problem with Bernie. I just think it is past time for a Democratic female president. My only
objection to Bernie is I think he's too old to be president. Many of his followers are being deliberately and unnecessarily confrontational.

[Live and Learn]

124. Those are ridiculous reasons. nt

[ohheckyeah]

125. LOL

Whatever.

[Live and Learn]

136. And that is a very childish response. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Someone is.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/13/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-cbs-battleground-poll/

[ohheckyeah]

97. I doubt

it was posts on DU.

By-the-way, you won't get me to lose my cool and get banned.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I wont?

CURSES! FOILED AGAIN!

[ohheckyeah]

101. Sucks

doesn't it?

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Not particularly.

I think your perception of what I find fun may be miscalibrated.

[ohheckyeah]

103. You're the

one that said it.

Have a good night or morning. It's 4:45 am and I need some sleep. The stroke screwed up my sleep schedule.

[Warren DeMontague]

104. Hope you feel better. Sincerely.

Insomnia's a tough nut to crack, even in the best of circumstances.

Peace.

[ohheckyeah]

106. Thank you...

it's been a tough year.

Peace back at ya.

[Fairgo]

119. Snydley Whiplash!

Up to your old tricks, I see.

[Live and Learn]

90. By the way, Bernie's speech was BRILLIANT.

And, you really should spell your one word 'hilarious' at least 'hillarious' to sharpen your point.

[Motown_Johnny]

111. False equivalency. Is that really what we do here now?

This thread proves that there is a basic underlying problem with Hillary's support.


She went to HER church. There was no question that she would be accepted as one of their own.

Bernie is Jewish and went to an Evangelical Christian university. There was no chance he would be accepted as one of their own.


Equating the two is a real problem. This isn't hilarious, or funny in the least. This is the kind of crap that conservatives do to make their candidates look good. Nobody being considered for the Democratic nominee should need to rely on false equivalency for support. Unfortunately , Hillary does.

[kenfrequed]

116. Bingo!

Was the church that Hillary went to a fairly progressive church? Was it friendly territory for her?

Bernie went somewhere to talk to people who weren't usually friendly to progressives.

This really is a false equivalency.

[djean111]

113. The spin machine needs an update or a re-boot or something. That is lame. n/t

[liberal N proud]

115. That is how propaganda is written

Supporting one while detracting another.

We must convert public opinion to match mine!

[Aerows]

121. Alert the Press

I'm white and agnostic. I support Bernie Sanders.

I am not appalled at all (hey that rhymed) that he spoke before a presumably conservative bunch of college students because they asked him to do so. Maybe they can ask Hillary next week.

Do you think she would show up?

[mmonk]

122. What makes Bernie different from a politician

is he doesn't change any messages or self appearance depending on the audience.