Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:09 PM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
Bernie responds to Clinton attack via Jennifer Epstein Bloomberg Politics correspondent![]() And, as reported by Jennifer, he elaborates: Jennifer Epstein @jeneps 15m15 minutes ago
Sanders on pro-Clinton super PAC's attack on him: "It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson" https://twitter.com/jeneps/with_replies
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Luminous Animal | Sep 2015 | OP |
Cali_Democrat | Sep 2015 | #1 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #3 | |
Cali_Democrat | Sep 2015 | #14 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #20 | |
Cali_Democrat | Sep 2015 | #21 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #22 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #28 | |
daleanime | Sep 2015 | #41 | |
roguevalley | Sep 2015 | #54 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #58 | |
roguevalley | Sep 2015 | #60 | |
Rosa Luxemburg | Sep 2015 | #120 | |
Admiral Loinpresser | Sep 2015 | #119 | |
99Forever | Sep 2015 | #25 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #26 | |
Cali_Democrat | Sep 2015 | #29 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #31 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #33 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #32 | |
MissDeeds | Sep 2015 | #46 | |
jeff47 | Sep 2015 | #38 | |
passiveporcupine | Sep 2015 | #44 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #69 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #84 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #88 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Sep 2015 | #87 | |
virtualobserver | Sep 2015 | #34 | |
tblue37 | Sep 2015 | #67 | |
pocoloco | Sep 2015 | #73 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #5 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #10 | |
Android3.14 | Sep 2015 | #48 | |
winter is coming | Sep 2015 | #51 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Sep 2015 | #68 | |
Autumn | Sep 2015 | #2 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #4 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #6 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #7 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #8 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #11 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #17 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #81 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #86 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #27 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #83 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #89 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #98 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #100 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #101 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #102 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #103 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #104 | |
Fred Sanders | Sep 2015 | #105 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #106 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #107 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #108 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #112 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #114 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #118 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #116 | |
Phlem | Sep 2015 | #85 | |
bunnies | Sep 2015 | #52 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #53 | |
bunnies | Sep 2015 | #57 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #59 | |
bunnies | Sep 2015 | #63 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #64 | |
demwing | Sep 2015 | #71 | |
AlbertCat | Sep 2015 | #78 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #12 | |
Luminous Animal | Sep 2015 | #9 | |
Report1212 | Sep 2015 | #39 | |
AlbertCat | Sep 2015 | #82 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #13 | |
Hollingsworth | Sep 2015 | #15 | |
99Forever | Sep 2015 | #16 | |
pocoloco | Sep 2015 | #76 | |
askew | Sep 2015 | #18 | |
Hollingsworth | Sep 2015 | #19 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #30 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #35 | |
virtualobserver | Sep 2015 | #36 | |
jeff47 | Sep 2015 | #40 | |
LondonReign2 | Sep 2015 | #72 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #113 | |
WillyT | Sep 2015 | #23 | |
Truprogressive85 | Sep 2015 | #24 | |
beam me up scottie | Sep 2015 | #37 | |
lark | Sep 2015 | #42 | |
Cheese Sandwich | Sep 2015 | #43 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #50 | |
MisterP | Sep 2015 | #55 | |
Enthusiast | Sep 2015 | #45 | |
bunnies | Sep 2015 | #47 | |
left-of-center2012 | Sep 2015 | #56 | |
bunnies | Sep 2015 | #61 | |
imthevicar | Sep 2015 | #90 | |
MissDeeds | Sep 2015 | #49 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #62 | |
laureloak | Sep 2015 | #65 | |
demwing | Sep 2015 | #70 | |
Uncle Joe | Sep 2015 | #66 | |
Avalux | Sep 2015 | #74 | |
senz | Sep 2015 | #75 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Sep 2015 | #77 | |
restorefreedom | Sep 2015 | #111 | |
dpatbrown | Sep 2015 | #79 | |
Dont call me Shirley | Sep 2015 | #80 | |
sabrina 1 | Sep 2015 | #91 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #92 | |
sabrina 1 | Sep 2015 | #94 | |
arcane1 | Sep 2015 | #95 | |
FloridaBlues | Sep 2015 | #93 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #115 | |
morningfog | Sep 2015 | #121 | |
d_legendary1 | Sep 2015 | #96 | |
Fairgo | Sep 2015 | #97 | |
sadoldgirl | Sep 2015 | #99 | |
Babel_17 | Sep 2015 | #109 | |
frylock | Sep 2015 | #110 | |
portlander23 | Sep 2015 | #117 |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:12 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
1. Is it a Hillary attack or is it a Super-PAC that supports Hillary?
It's my understanding that they aren't allowed to coordinate with the candidate, but I'm sure that's unlikely.
I'm just hearing about this now. Does anyone have more info on this? |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
3. They can coordinate as long as they limit their activities to the internet.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:25 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
14. OK I just read the article
Where is the evidence of coordination between the Super PAC and Hillary?
It's certainly not in the article. The email being circulated was created by the Super PAC, not Hillary's campaign. |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:35 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
20. It would otherwise make no sense to limit themselves to the internet.
Coordination is the only advantage to that limitation. Whether Hillary personally approved this smear is unknown.
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #20)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:38 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
21. Again....
There's is no evidence that Hillary's campaign is cooridnating with the Super PAC and there's certainly no evidence that Hillary's campaign is behind the latest email which was sent out.
It's important not to jump to conclusions before all the facts are in. I'll wait to see all the evidence before making any judgements. It's possible they're coordinating? Perhaps. But I haven't seen evidence of it. |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:41 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
22. The coordination is old news:
(I)n a novel move for a super PAC, Correct the Record will both accept unlimited contributions and coordinate directly with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organs.
“Going forward, Correct the Record will work in support of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy for president, aggressively responding to false attacks and misstatements of the Secretary’s exemplary record,” said its new president, Brad Woodhouse, who headed the former parent organization American Bridge. Super PACs are typically prohibited by law from coordinating with candidates, but Correct the Record will not be a typical super PAC. The group will not run ads, but instead does all of its work online, which it says will allow it to coordinate with the Clinton campaign. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803 It was discussed at length here. And it is likely illegal, just not yet challenged. Hillary should be ashamed, as should her supporters. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #22)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:44 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
28. "As president I will reform the finances of every campaign. After this one"
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #28)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:59 PM
daleanime (17,796 posts)
41. Yeahup.....
of course I will.
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Response to daleanime (Reply #41)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:23 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
54. she has the responsibility to come out and firmly, unequivocably disavow them. The longer she
doesn't, the more likely it is they are colluding. I lean toward the latter.
If she wants this to be about issues she needs to put this down NOW. Otherwise, she will once again victimize herself by perceptions if she doesn't even if she isn't coordinating. Again, a tin ear for politics. |
Response to roguevalley (Reply #54)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:25 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
58. "If she wants this to be about issues" is a pretty damned huge "if" n/t
Response to arcane1 (Reply #58)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:26 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
60. I agree. This is going to be about whatever it takes for her and it will in the offset only
highlight bernie's integrity.
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Response to roguevalley (Reply #54)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:48 AM
Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)
120. I thought Hillary wasn't going to attack Bernie
Response to morningfog (Reply #22)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:46 AM
Admiral Loinpresser (3,859 posts)
119. Not even Stephen Colbert used that loophole.
Of course, Jon Stewart's office was just down the hall.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
25. The good ol' "plausible deniability" ruse, eh?
That ought you help with that trustworthiness rating.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
26. From May 2015: "Hillary Clinton plans to coordinate directly with super PAC"
Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.
-snip- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/ |
Response to arcane1 (Reply #26)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:45 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
29. Like I said...
...coordination is possible, but I haven't seen evidence that Hillary's campaign is ultimately behind the email.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:47 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
31. It's not possible, it's intended n/t
Response to arcane1 (Reply #31)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:50 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
33. The cognitive dissonance is hilarious. They know its wrong but don't have the spine to own it
or defend it. Pathetic.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:49 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
32. You have to be fucking kidding. L O FUCKING L.
The PAC was set up as a coordinating PAC. It is either in coordination or it isn't.
This is why the laws changed. You can't have a PAC that coordinates with the candidate all of the time, except when they do something especially nasty. It is a coordinating PAC or it isn't. And this one is. Suck it up, accept it, embrace it. HIllary is nasty. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #32)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:06 PM
MissDeeds (7,499 posts)
46. Yep
The Teflon candidacy isn't going to work. People are on to her and the way she operates, that's one of the reasons HRC has "untrustworthy" issues. Very bad move. I fully expect this will come back to bite her.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:56 PM
jeff47 (26,549 posts)
38. So they literally announce that they will be coordinating with this PAC
and you think that means they aren't coordinating with this PAC.
That's some pretty bad desperation. |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:04 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
44. do you think they would publish it?
That wouldn't be very clever, and we all know Hillary is a clever woman.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:45 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
69. Nothing short of video evidence of the actual meeting with Hillary approving it will do!
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:33 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
84. Who needs evidence when the world of speculation is wide open? SuperPac envy, maybe?
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #84)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:38 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
88. I'm convinced Cheney didn't out Valerie Plame either
I mean, there was no evidence, right?
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:38 PM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
87. Dishonest people come to the conclusions they want to come to.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:50 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
34. so the coordinating Super PAC abruptly starts operating as a loose cannon
please
as if anything occurs in the carefully scripted Hillary Team without approval. |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:41 PM
tblue37 (58,319 posts)
67. She needs to come out loud and hard against such smears and demand the the group
NOT do that again.
I doubt she will, but I sure hope she does and that they feel obliged to cut it out. |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:07 PM
pocoloco (3,180 posts)
73. Get much sand in ears when burying head?
Curious minds would like to know.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
5. Both
It is a Super-PAC that the Clinton campaign is coordinating with, due to the loophole that doesn't specifically disallow coordination with an "online only" Super-PAC.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:22 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
10. It's the PAC with which Hillary coordinates, so no distinction.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
Android3.14 (5,402 posts)
48. Did you watch Colbert and Stewart on this issue?
Coordination is such a slippery word, it actually doesn't mean any sort of restriction.
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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #48)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:14 PM
winter is coming (11,785 posts)
51. I wish Comedy Central would do a clip show of those segments.
They really exposed how exploitable superPACs are.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:42 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
68. Has Hillary condemned it and issued an apology to Sanders for it?
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:12 PM
Autumn (42,608 posts)
2. Wow. Bern
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
4. Superpacs speak for themselves....the headline is purposely misleading...of course.
Clinton has NOT attacked Sanders! Or vice versa.
Full stop!! Apparently that is upsetting to some folks.....so what? |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:17 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
6. Incorrect. See posts above
Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #6)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:19 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
7. Incorrect, again. See facts everywhere. See another opinion post that has Superpac in the headline.
It is so obvious, why bother defending the distortion and false attribution?
All this kind of posting does, and will do for the next year, is make the money flooding in even more valuable to distort the political process. |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:20 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
8. It is a Super-PAC the Clinton campaign is coordinating with
What do you think is false?
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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #8)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:22 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
11. She coordinates? Evidence needed. And what has Clinton actually said about attacking each other???
I have lots of evidence of that!
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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:27 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
17. Here you go
Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #17)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:30 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
81. Evidence of THIS coordination....still zero. It is the OTHER party that needs no evidence, remember?
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #81)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:36 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
86. Sigh
I wish you the best success in convincing yourself that Hillary had nothing to do with this.
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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:43 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
27. You are wrong. Here is a link to help you understand.
I am sure you will now let us know that what HIllary is doing is wrong. Go ahead.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803 |
Response to morningfog (Reply #27)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:32 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
83. An MSNBC video of yore is not evidence! On THIS allegation there is ZERO evidence, which is now
clear enough given the responses.
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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #83)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:40 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
89. What a load of shit! I understand your embarassment with Hillary here.
It's shameful. But the PAC was set up to coordinate with her campaign directly. THAT IS NOT IN DISPUTE.
You cannot now claim that some part of the coordinated PAC is not coordinated. That is some twisted double think, even for Hillary folk. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #89)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:58 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
98. For Sanders folks now resorting to "shit", I ditto the thinking.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #98)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:04 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
100. You aren't being honest, but what's new.
Response to morningfog (Reply #100)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:05 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
101. Where is the email? Why is the main piece missing? And where is the evidence countering the facts of the matter down thread?
Email not even sent by the SuperPac, but just one person's response to a question request.....Honesty...word!
Where is the email?? Has anyone posted it or the original email requesting a response by Brock? |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #101)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:14 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
102. I get it, you don't trust the Hillary Campaign when they said
they were coordinating with CTR.
I don't trust her either. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #102)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:16 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
103. What I get is a lot of supporters have been fooled again into histrionics over another half-baked article.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #103)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:19 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
104. I can't wait to hear Hillary disavow Brock and CTR.
Yeah, that won't happen. You're stuck here. Your candidate just got nasty and you know it. That is why you want to deny her involvement. But I know your type. Once you can no longer deny it, you'll swallow her newly minted talking points and puke them up again. You'll embrace the nasty tactic, won't you?
Do you actually have the gumption to state your opinion on (1) PAC coordination and (2) this kind of attack on Sanders? BEFORE Hillary tells you what to think? |
Response to morningfog (Reply #104)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:21 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
105. Please proceed....the whole article is being debunked....I get it. Frustrating.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #105)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:23 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
106. So no position? Thought so.
Response to morningfog (Reply #106)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:26 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
107. But it's being debunked!!1
Somewhere
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #107)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:28 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
108. What they meant was: I'm waiting for talking points!!
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #105)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
112. Debunked by whom? Correct the Record?
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Response to frylock (Reply #112)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:11 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
114. It's getting close to 24 hours now and they haven't tried to correct this record yet
Not sure what they're waiting for.
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Response to morningfog (Reply #104)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:40 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
118. Fred has flipped the script. Now we're attacking Brock..
the level of denial coming from this group is fucking astounding.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=596892 |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #101)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:23 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
116. You're in luck. Here's a video of Brock talking about the email right now..
well, not so much talking as gasping like a grouper. Note that he didn't dispute the email, or it's contents. Ball is in your court, Fred.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596835 |
Response to morningfog (Reply #27)
Phlem This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:15 PM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
52. Apparently Clinton "evolved" on not attacking Sanders.
Surprise!
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Response to bunnies (Reply #52)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:21 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
53. Letting her minions do it for her, using right-wing techniques n/t
Response to arcane1 (Reply #53)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:25 PM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
57. Who in their right mind attacks someone for helping the poor?
Next they'll be saying that Hillary knew *nothing* about this. Bullshit. Same old same old.
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Response to bunnies (Reply #57)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:26 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
59. "Moderates" apparently do.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #59)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:32 PM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
63. If it serves them. Apparently.
Glad Im not in that camp.
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Response to bunnies (Reply #57)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:50 PM
demwing (16,916 posts)
71. Meet the new Clinton
same as the old Clinton
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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:27 PM
AlbertCat (17,505 posts)
78. She coordinates?
Maybe she doesn't coordinate with her own campaign. Could that be a possibility?
![]() ![]() ![]() But I'm not gonna play the "I don't like what she hasn't said" game. That's what some groups were doing to Sanders a time ago. It's dumb. But if her campaign is coordinating AND she doesn't even know about it..... I don't think so.... |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:23 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
12. You are dead wrong. Hillary coordinates with this PAC.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:21 PM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
9. "Correct the Record" the Super Pac in question has claimed, multiple times in many
media venues that it is free to coordinate with the candidate
. The group will not run ads, but instead does all of its work online, which it says will allow it to coordinate with the Clinton campaign.
The so-called “Internet exemption” was not intended to be used this way (it was created before the existence of super PACs), the Washington Post notes, but experts say Correct the Record is unlikely to face reprisal. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803 |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:56 PM
Report1212 (661 posts)
39. This is hilarious
Her campaign chairman and her husband have both been fundraising for her Super PACs. So youre telling me Camp Clinton is giving a bunch of money to a group that is doing stuff they dont approve of?
Okay. |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:31 PM
AlbertCat (17,505 posts)
82. the headline is purposely misleading
No it isn't.
"Clinton" obviously refers to her campaign and supporters. I never assumed it meant her personally. Using the candidate's name as an adjective and not their personal name is done all the time. |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:24 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
13. Great response.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:26 PM
Hollingsworth (88 posts)
15. The sting and the bern.
Great reply by Sanders, that ought to cool some jets down on the Hillary false rumor team.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:27 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
16. Another huge unforced error by Camp Weathervane.
That's gonna leave a mark.
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Response to 99Forever (Reply #16)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:14 PM
pocoloco (3,180 posts)
76. You know they must have a truckload of K-Y Jelly!!
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:30 PM
askew (1,464 posts)
18. This was such a stupid attack against Bernie.
There are things you could hit him on (immigration, gun control) just like with every candidate. But, this was just a dumb attack. No one is going to care about this. It's like they think it is 1994.
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Response to askew (Reply #18)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:33 PM
Hollingsworth (88 posts)
19. I was thinking that very thing a few moments ago. It's like the Hillary team in stuck in time
and still hope the old ways are in play with their ridiculous lies.
This is not the 90s, nor the 50s (that tupperware thing? holey moley what a stupid idea). |
Response to askew (Reply #18)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:46 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
30. It baffles me who the intended audience for this would be.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:51 PM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
35. Hill shills. They are going to get gutter nasty.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:52 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
36. She is trying to keep Dick Cheney from voting for Bernie
Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:58 PM
jeff47 (26,549 posts)
40. Sending out talking points. We'll see them in DU posts in the near future. (nt)
Response to askew (Reply #18)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:52 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
72. What? You don't think trying to link Bernie to
a dead South American that stopped being a boogeyman some time ago, and a British guy that 99.98% of Americans have never heard of is going to be wildly effective??
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Response to askew (Reply #18)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:59 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
113. Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow..
don't start thinking about tomorrow, while they're at it!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
Truprogressive85 (900 posts)
24. Correct the Record
Its a Super Pac lead by David Brock that supports HRC
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:55 PM
beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)
37. Righteous.
I'm glad Bernie's getting in front of the smears from the Swift Boaters for Hillary PACs.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:01 PM
lark (22,225 posts)
42. Hillary or someone close to her needs to let the PACS know to lay off.
I'm being optimistic that she wasn't aware of this and wouldn't condone it. I'm also aware that she may actually not to put off by these attacks on Bernie? Don't know, but do think it should stop.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:02 PM
Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)
43. "Dead communist dictator?"
That comment disappoints me.
Hugo Chavez? Last I checked that guy was elected in a clean election. That comment is annoying. |
Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #43)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:12 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
50. Yeah, that's a better description of the media-created "strongman" than the real guy.
Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #43)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:23 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
55. I HOPE he was just referring to the depiction that they were using
especially since he applauded the FSLN in the 80s while the TNR types were dittoing Reagan and he got plenty of Venezuelan oil for VT
but not only is FP where all sides "talk the talk," it's how the White House wisemen thwart reform of any flavor and where they rack up debts that come due and hobble any social programs fortunately Sanders is eminently responsive |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:05 PM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
45. Kicked and recommended!
Well done!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:07 PM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
47. One would *think* that only a republican would attack Sanders for helping poor people.
This is beyond disgusting. Good for Bernie.
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Response to bunnies (Reply #47)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:24 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
56. Let the poor freeze to death?
Is that what HC supporters propose?
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #56)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:30 PM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
61. Apparently. Because Chavez! or something.
IIRC most if not all of the New England states took that oil. As did NYC. Someone is either really, really stupid or trying to take her out from within. She should be embarrassed.
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Response to bunnies (Reply #47)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:46 PM
imthevicar (811 posts)
90. Lets face HRC is a DINO!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
MissDeeds (7,499 posts)
49. Looks like Bernie anticipated this kind of crap
and is prepared to effectively deal with it.
Give 'em hell, Bernie!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to MissDeeds (Reply #49)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:31 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
62. He knew from the get-go he would be outspent, and attacked by the powers he threatens
Meanwhile the Clinton campaign is sounding just like how Fox News would smear him.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:36 PM
laureloak (2,055 posts)
65. If he is the nominee he WILL take the money.
Response to laureloak (Reply #65)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:47 PM
demwing (16,916 posts)
70. If Hillary is the nominee she WILL oppose the TPP
See, I can make up ridiculous shit just as easily as you can!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:39 PM
Uncle Joe (55,255 posts)
66. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:09 PM
Avalux (35,015 posts)
74. Fantastic response Bernie.
He's right - this is a GOP tactic.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:13 PM
senz (11,945 posts)
75. Look at it this way: Clinton attacks are toughening Bernie up for the GE
when he'll encounter even lower, more disgusting lies and verbal assaults.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:23 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
77. I'm sure Hillary will denounce the SuperPac and return their money.
Well....maybe not because she'll be too busy talking about the corrosive influence of money on politics.....while begging for more corporate money.
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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #77)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:54 PM
restorefreedom (12,655 posts)
111. +1 nt
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:27 PM
dpatbrown (368 posts)
79. Not a second
I don't buy it, for a second, that a candidate isn't alerted to what their super pacs are doing. Hillary Clinton needs to call for an immediate cessation to ANY pacs that are raising money for her, to stay out of the gutter. To say there is no connection with any pacs is a blatant lie.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dont call me Shirley (10,998 posts)
80. No doubt the two secretly support her.
"It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson"
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:49 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
91. Why don't they talk about issues? All they DO is try to find ways to attack
Bernie? The more they do this the better for Bernie
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #91)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:53 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
92. She will lose on the issues. Sanders and O'Malley both are light-years beyond on issues
That's why she keeps stealing their rhetoric
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #92)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:31 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
94. Yes, but do they think people are not noticing this? The fact that we do have
two candidates now in the race who are light years ahead of her re Issues, and ARE discussing them, only highlights these nasty, dirty games designed NOT to talk about issues.
I can't think of a more losing tactic. The people are sick to death of these distractions, they want to talk about issues. So like I said, let her keep doing this, the more she does it, the more people will see that's all SHE is doing. And these attacks are so OLD. I mean at least move into the 21st Century. Red Baiting, seriously in today's world??? ![]() |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #94)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:34 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
95. I think they seriously believed Sanders would be gone by now, a grumpy, dismissed racist
Thus holding off on the debates so the take-down could do its work. Now that we're getting close to debate time, and his numbers are looking so much better, they have to run an actual campaign against him, and do Whatever It Takes to do so.
Plus, he got some of those Liberty students to agree with some of his ideas, hence the right-wing techniques now. With all that money the Clinton campaign spent on polls, it seems they aren't liking the results ![]() |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:02 PM
FloridaBlues (3,624 posts)
93. You don't have any proof HRC did this
This is small potatoes if you get this crazy over this small stuff wait till the gop gets ahold of him
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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #93)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:32 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
115. blahblahblah GOP blahblah..
meanwhile in Hillaryland, comparing voting records is construed as an attack.
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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #93)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:18 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
121. Yes, we expect it from the GOP. Not from the Dem
who says they weren't going to do this kind of thing.
To be fair, I never believed Hillary. I knew she would get nasty when cornered. |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:37 PM
d_legendary1 (2,586 posts)
96. Why doesn't HRC just hire Karl Rove?
It'd be much more effective and no one would suspect a thing (at least media wise).
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:52 PM
Fairgo (1,571 posts)
97. Let the master respond
There is a definitive resolution to this. Coordination creates a fiduciary relationship and a means of influence. If HRC disavows the attack and takes steps to frame future work On her behalf, then this has been an oversight. If not, then the act stands with her tacit endorsement. Respondeat superior...Let the master respond. I, for one, am interested in hearing her out.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:01 PM
sadoldgirl (3,431 posts)
99. Yes, his response was reasonable ,
and while I don't have much, I sent another small
amount. However, since I expect a lot of more onslaughts on Bernie, I don't know whether I can keep this up. |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:48 PM
Babel_17 (5,400 posts)
109. Spot on answer from Sanders
Now let's hear the response to that from the Clinton camp. They may not like the terrain they're fighting on, but they picked this battle.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:53 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
110. It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from Hillary Clinton.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:36 PM
portlander23 (2,078 posts)
117. dark money
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