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Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:09 PM

Bernie responds to Clinton attack via Jennifer Epstein Bloomberg Politics correspondent



And, as reported by Jennifer, he elaborates:

Jennifer Epstein ‏@jeneps 15m15 minutes ago
Sanders on pro-Clinton super PAC's attack on him: "It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson"


https://twitter.com/jeneps/with_replies

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Reply Bernie responds to Clinton attack via Jennifer Epstein Bloomberg Politics correspondent (Original post)
Luminous Animal Sep 2015 OP
Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #1
arcane1 Sep 2015 #3
Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #14
arcane1 Sep 2015 #20
Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #21
morningfog Sep 2015 #22
arcane1 Sep 2015 #28
daleanime Sep 2015 #41
roguevalley Sep 2015 #54
arcane1 Sep 2015 #58
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Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #120
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morningfog Sep 2015 #33
morningfog Sep 2015 #32
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jeff47 Sep 2015 #38
passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #44
LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #69
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Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #4
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:12 PM

1. Is it a Hillary attack or is it a Super-PAC that supports Hillary?

 

It's my understanding that they aren't allowed to coordinate with the candidate, but I'm sure that's unlikely.

I'm just hearing about this now.

Does anyone have more info on this?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM

3. They can coordinate as long as they limit their activities to the internet.

 

More info on the "internet exception" here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251594504#post57

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:25 PM

14. OK I just read the article

 

Where is the evidence of coordination between the Super PAC and Hillary?

It's certainly not in the article. The email being circulated was created by the Super PAC, not Hillary's campaign.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:35 PM

20. It would otherwise make no sense to limit themselves to the internet.

 

Coordination is the only advantage to that limitation. Whether Hillary personally approved this smear is unknown.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:38 PM

21. Again....

 

There's is no evidence that Hillary's campaign is cooridnating with the Super PAC and there's certainly no evidence that Hillary's campaign is behind the latest email which was sent out.

It's important not to jump to conclusions before all the facts are in.

I'll wait to see all the evidence before making any judgements.

It's possible they're coordinating? Perhaps. But I haven't seen evidence of it.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:41 PM

22. The coordination is old news:

 

(I)n a novel move for a super PAC, Correct the Record will both accept unlimited contributions and coordinate directly with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organs.

“Going forward, Correct the Record will work in support of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy for president, aggressively responding to false attacks and misstatements of the Secretary’s exemplary record,” said its new president, Brad Woodhouse, who headed the former parent organization American Bridge.

Super PACs are typically prohibited by law from coordinating with candidates, but Correct the Record will not be a typical super PAC. The group will not run ads, but instead does all of its work online, which it says will allow it to coordinate with the Clinton campaign.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803


It was discussed at length here. And it is likely illegal, just not yet challenged. Hillary should be ashamed, as should her supporters.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:44 PM

28. "As president I will reform the finances of every campaign. After this one"

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:59 PM

41. Yeahup.....

of course I will.



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Response to daleanime (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:23 PM

54. she has the responsibility to come out and firmly, unequivocably disavow them. The longer she

doesn't, the more likely it is they are colluding. I lean toward the latter.

If she wants this to be about issues she needs to put this down NOW. Otherwise, she will once again victimize herself by perceptions if she doesn't even if she isn't coordinating. Again, a tin ear for politics.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #54)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:25 PM

58. "If she wants this to be about issues" is a pretty damned huge "if" n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:26 PM

60. I agree. This is going to be about whatever it takes for her and it will in the offset only

highlight bernie's integrity.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:48 AM

120. I thought Hillary wasn't going to attack Bernie

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Response to morningfog (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:46 AM

119. Not even Stephen Colbert used that loophole.

Of course, Jon Stewart's office was just down the hall.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM

25. The good ol' "plausible deniability" ruse, eh?

That ought you help with that trustworthiness rating.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM

26. From May 2015: "Hillary Clinton plans to coordinate directly with super PAC"

 

Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.

-snip-


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:45 PM

29. Like I said...

 

...coordination is possible, but I haven't seen evidence that Hillary's campaign is ultimately behind the email.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:47 PM

31. It's not possible, it's intended n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:50 PM

33. The cognitive dissonance is hilarious. They know its wrong but don't have the spine to own it

 

or defend it. Pathetic.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:49 PM

32. You have to be fucking kidding. L O FUCKING L.

 

The PAC was set up as a coordinating PAC. It is either in coordination or it isn't.

This is why the laws changed. You can't have a PAC that coordinates with the candidate all of the time, except when they do something especially nasty.

It is a coordinating PAC or it isn't. And this one is. Suck it up, accept it, embrace it. HIllary is nasty.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:06 PM

46. Yep

 

The Teflon candidacy isn't going to work. People are on to her and the way she operates, that's one of the reasons HRC has "untrustworthy" issues. Very bad move. I fully expect this will come back to bite her.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:56 PM

38. So they literally announce that they will be coordinating with this PAC

and you think that means they aren't coordinating with this PAC.

That's some pretty bad desperation.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:04 PM

44. do you think they would publish it?

That wouldn't be very clever, and we all know Hillary is a clever woman.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:45 PM

69. Nothing short of video evidence of the actual meeting with Hillary approving it will do!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:33 PM

84. Who needs evidence when the world of speculation is wide open? SuperPac envy, maybe?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #84)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:38 PM

88. I'm convinced Cheney didn't out Valerie Plame either

I mean, there was no evidence, right?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:38 PM

87. Dishonest people come to the conclusions they want to come to.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:50 PM

34. so the coordinating Super PAC abruptly starts operating as a loose cannon

 

please


as if anything occurs in the carefully scripted Hillary Team without approval.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:41 PM

67. She needs to come out loud and hard against such smears and demand the the group

NOT do that again.

I doubt she will, but I sure hope she does and that they feel obliged to cut it out.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:07 PM

73. Get much sand in ears when burying head?

 

Curious minds would like to know.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM

5. Both

It is a Super-PAC that the Clinton campaign is coordinating with, due to the loophole that doesn't specifically disallow coordination with an "online only" Super-PAC.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:22 PM

10. It's the PAC with which Hillary coordinates, so no distinction.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 PM

48. Did you watch Colbert and Stewart on this issue?

 

Coordination is such a slippery word, it actually doesn't mean any sort of restriction.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:14 PM

51. I wish Comedy Central would do a clip show of those segments.

They really exposed how exploitable superPACs are.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:42 PM

68. Has Hillary condemned it and issued an apology to Sanders for it?

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:12 PM

2. Wow. Bern

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:16 PM

4. Superpacs speak for themselves....the headline is purposely misleading...of course.

Clinton has NOT attacked Sanders! Or vice versa.

Full stop!!

Apparently that is upsetting to some folks.....so what?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:17 PM

6. Incorrect. See posts above

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:19 PM

7. Incorrect, again. See facts everywhere. See another opinion post that has Superpac in the headline.

It is so obvious, why bother defending the distortion and false attribution?

All this kind of posting does, and will do for the next year, is make the money flooding in even more valuable to distort the political process.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:20 PM

8. It is a Super-PAC the Clinton campaign is coordinating with

What do you think is false?

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:22 PM

11. She coordinates? Evidence needed. And what has Clinton actually said about attacking each other???

I have lots of evidence of that!

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:30 PM

81. Evidence of THIS coordination....still zero. It is the OTHER party that needs no evidence, remember?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #81)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:36 PM

86. Sigh

I wish you the best success in convincing yourself that Hillary had nothing to do with this.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:43 PM

27. You are wrong. Here is a link to help you understand.

 

I am sure you will now let us know that what HIllary is doing is wrong. Go ahead.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803

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Response to morningfog (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:32 PM

83. An MSNBC video of yore is not evidence! On THIS allegation there is ZERO evidence, which is now

clear enough given the responses.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #83)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:40 PM

89. What a load of shit! I understand your embarassment with Hillary here.

 

It's shameful. But the PAC was set up to coordinate with her campaign directly. THAT IS NOT IN DISPUTE.

You cannot now claim that some part of the coordinated PAC is not coordinated. That is some twisted double think, even for Hillary folk.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #89)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:58 PM

98. For Sanders folks now resorting to "shit", I ditto the thinking.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #98)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:04 PM

100. You aren't being honest, but what's new.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #100)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:05 PM

101. Where is the email? Why is the main piece missing? And where is the evidence countering the facts of the matter down thread?

Email not even sent by the SuperPac, but just one person's response to a question request.....Honesty...word!

Where is the email??

Has anyone posted it or the original email requesting a response by Brock?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #101)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

102. I get it, you don't trust the Hillary Campaign when they said

 

they were coordinating with CTR.

I don't trust her either.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #102)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:16 PM

103. What I get is a lot of supporters have been fooled again into histrionics over another half-baked article.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:19 PM

104. I can't wait to hear Hillary disavow Brock and CTR.

 

Yeah, that won't happen. You're stuck here. Your candidate just got nasty and you know it. That is why you want to deny her involvement. But I know your type. Once you can no longer deny it, you'll swallow her newly minted talking points and puke them up again. You'll embrace the nasty tactic, won't you?

Do you actually have the gumption to state your opinion on (1) PAC coordination and (2) this kind of attack on Sanders? BEFORE Hillary tells you what to think?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #104)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

105. Please proceed....the whole article is being debunked....I get it. Frustrating.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #105)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:23 PM

106. So no position? Thought so.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #106)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:26 PM

107. But it's being debunked!!1

 

Somewhere

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #107)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:28 PM

108. What they meant was: I'm waiting for talking points!!

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #105)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:56 PM

112. Debunked by whom? Correct the Record?

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Response to frylock (Reply #112)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:11 PM

114. It's getting close to 24 hours now and they haven't tried to correct this record yet

 

Not sure what they're waiting for.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #104)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:40 PM

118. Fred has flipped the script. Now we're attacking Brock..

the level of denial coming from this group is fucking astounding.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=596892

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #101)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:23 PM

116. You're in luck. Here's a video of Brock talking about the email right now..

well, not so much talking as gasping like a grouper. Note that he didn't dispute the email, or it's contents. Ball is in your court, Fred.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596835

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:15 PM

52. Apparently Clinton "evolved" on not attacking Sanders.

 

Surprise!

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Response to bunnies (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:21 PM

53. Letting her minions do it for her, using right-wing techniques n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:25 PM

57. Who in their right mind attacks someone for helping the poor?

 

Next they'll be saying that Hillary knew *nothing* about this. Bullshit. Same old same old.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #57)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:26 PM

59. "Moderates" apparently do.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:32 PM

63. If it serves them. Apparently.

 

Glad Im not in that camp.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #63)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:33 PM

64. Amen to that!

 

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Response to bunnies (Reply #57)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:50 PM

71. Meet the new Clinton

 

same as the old Clinton

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:27 PM

78. She coordinates?

 

Maybe she doesn't coordinate with her own campaign. Could that be a possibility?




But I'm not gonna play the "I don't like what she hasn't said" game. That's what some groups were doing to Sanders a time ago. It's dumb.

But if her campaign is coordinating AND she doesn't even know about it..... I don't think so....

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:23 PM

12. You are dead wrong. Hillary coordinates with this PAC.

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:21 PM

9. "Correct the Record" the Super Pac in question has claimed, multiple times in many

media venues that it is free to coordinate with the candidate

. The group will not run ads, but instead does all of its work online, which it says will allow it to coordinate with the Clinton campaign.

The so-called “Internet exemption” was not intended to be used this way (it was created before the existence of super PACs), the Washington Post notes, but experts say Correct the Record is unlikely to face reprisal.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac#56803

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:56 PM

39. This is hilarious

Her campaign chairman and her husband have both been fundraising for her Super PACs. So youre telling me Camp Clinton is giving a bunch of money to a group that is doing stuff they dont approve of?

Okay.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:31 PM

82. the headline is purposely misleading

 

No it isn't.

"Clinton" obviously refers to her campaign and supporters. I never assumed it meant her personally.


Using the candidate's name as an adjective and not their personal name is done all the time.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:24 PM

13. Great response.

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:26 PM

15. The sting and the bern.

 

Great reply by Sanders, that ought to cool some jets down on the Hillary false rumor team.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:27 PM

16. Another huge unforced error by Camp Weathervane.

That's gonna leave a mark.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:14 PM

76. You know they must have a truckload of K-Y Jelly!!

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:30 PM

18. This was such a stupid attack against Bernie.

There are things you could hit him on (immigration, gun control) just like with every candidate. But, this was just a dumb attack. No one is going to care about this. It's like they think it is 1994.

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Response to askew (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:33 PM

19. I was thinking that very thing a few moments ago. It's like the Hillary team in stuck in time

 

and still hope the old ways are in play with their ridiculous lies.

This is not the 90s, nor the 50s (that tupperware thing? holey moley what a stupid idea).

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Response to askew (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:46 PM

30. It baffles me who the intended audience for this would be.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:51 PM

35. Hill shills. They are going to get gutter nasty.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:52 PM

36. She is trying to keep Dick Cheney from voting for Bernie

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:58 PM

40. Sending out talking points. We'll see them in DU posts in the near future. (nt)

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Response to askew (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:52 PM

72. What? You don't think trying to link Bernie to

a dead South American that stopped being a boogeyman some time ago, and a British guy that 99.98% of Americans have never heard of is going to be wildly effective??

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Response to askew (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:59 PM

113. Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow..

don't start thinking about tomorrow, while they're at it!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM

23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:42 PM

24. Correct the Record

Its a Super Pac lead by David Brock that supports HRC

I have seen HRC supporters use correct the record website now all of sudden have amnesia

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:55 PM

37. Righteous.

I'm glad Bernie's getting in front of the smears from the Swift Boaters for Hillary PACs.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:01 PM

42. Hillary or someone close to her needs to let the PACS know to lay off.

I'm being optimistic that she wasn't aware of this and wouldn't condone it. I'm also aware that she may actually not to put off by these attacks on Bernie? Don't know, but do think it should stop.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:02 PM

43. "Dead communist dictator?"

 

That comment disappoints me.

Hugo Chavez? Last I checked that guy was elected in a clean election. That comment is annoying.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:12 PM

50. Yeah, that's a better description of the media-created "strongman" than the real guy.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:23 PM

55. I HOPE he was just referring to the depiction that they were using

especially since he applauded the FSLN in the 80s while the TNR types were dittoing Reagan and he got plenty of Venezuelan oil for VT

but not only is FP where all sides "talk the talk," it's how the White House wisemen thwart reform of any flavor and where they rack up debts that come due and hobble any social programs

fortunately Sanders is eminently responsive

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:05 PM

45. Kicked and recommended!

Well done!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:07 PM

47. One would *think* that only a republican would attack Sanders for helping poor people.

 

This is beyond disgusting. Good for Bernie.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:24 PM

56. Let the poor freeze to death?

Is that what HC supporters propose?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:30 PM

61. Apparently. Because Chavez! or something.

 

IIRC most if not all of the New England states took that oil. As did NYC. Someone is either really, really stupid or trying to take her out from within. She should be embarrassed.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:46 PM

90. Lets face HRC is a DINO!

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 PM

49. Looks like Bernie anticipated this kind of crap

 

and is prepared to effectively deal with it.

Give 'em hell, Bernie!!!!

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:31 PM

62. He knew from the get-go he would be outspent, and attacked by the powers he threatens

 

Meanwhile the Clinton campaign is sounding just like how Fox News would smear him.

David Brock just changes bosses, not jobs.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:36 PM

65. If he is the nominee he WILL take the money.

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Response to laureloak (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:47 PM

70. If Hillary is the nominee she WILL oppose the TPP

 

See, I can make up ridiculous shit just as easily as you can!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:39 PM

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:09 PM

74. Fantastic response Bernie.

He's right - this is a GOP tactic.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:13 PM

75. Look at it this way: Clinton attacks are toughening Bernie up for the GE

 

when he'll encounter even lower, more disgusting lies and verbal assaults.

So I suppose we can thank them!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:23 PM

77. I'm sure Hillary will denounce the SuperPac and return their money.

 

Well....maybe not because she'll be too busy talking about the corrosive influence of money on politics.....while begging for more corporate money.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #77)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:54 PM

111. +1 nt

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:27 PM

79. Not a second

 

I don't buy it, for a second, that a candidate isn't alerted to what their super pacs are doing. Hillary Clinton needs to call for an immediate cessation to ANY pacs that are raising money for her, to stay out of the gutter. To say there is no connection with any pacs is a blatant lie.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:30 PM

80. No doubt the two secretly support her.

"It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson"

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:49 PM

91. Why don't they talk about issues? All they DO is try to find ways to attack

Bernie? The more they do this the better for Bernie

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #91)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:53 PM

92. She will lose on the issues. Sanders and O'Malley both are light-years beyond on issues

 

That's why she keeps stealing their rhetoric

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #92)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:31 PM

94. Yes, but do they think people are not noticing this? The fact that we do have

two candidates now in the race who are light years ahead of her re Issues, and ARE discussing them, only highlights these nasty, dirty games designed NOT to talk about issues.

I can't think of a more losing tactic. The people are sick to death of these distractions, they want to talk about issues.

So like I said, let her keep doing this, the more she does it, the more people will see that's all SHE is doing.

And these attacks are so OLD. I mean at least move into the 21st Century. Red Baiting, seriously in today's world???

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #94)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:34 PM

95. I think they seriously believed Sanders would be gone by now, a grumpy, dismissed racist

 

Thus holding off on the debates so the take-down could do its work. Now that we're getting close to debate time, and his numbers are looking so much better, they have to run an actual campaign against him, and do Whatever It Takes to do so.

Plus, he got some of those Liberty students to agree with some of his ideas, hence the right-wing techniques now.

With all that money the Clinton campaign spent on polls, it seems they aren't liking the results

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:02 PM

93. You don't have any proof HRC did this

This is small potatoes if you get this crazy over this small stuff wait till the gop gets ahold of him

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #93)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:32 PM

115. blahblahblah GOP blahblah..

meanwhile in Hillaryland, comparing voting records is construed as an attack.

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #93)

Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:18 AM

121. Yes, we expect it from the GOP. Not from the Dem

 

who says they weren't going to do this kind of thing.

To be fair, I never believed Hillary. I knew she would get nasty when cornered.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:37 PM

96. Why doesn't HRC just hire Karl Rove?

It'd be much more effective and no one would suspect a thing (at least media wise).

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:52 PM

97. Let the master respond

There is a definitive resolution to this. Coordination creates a fiduciary relationship and a means of influence. If HRC disavows the attack and takes steps to frame future work On her behalf, then this has been an oversight. If not, then the act stands with her tacit endorsement. Respondeat superior...Let the master respond. I, for one, am interested in hearing her out.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:01 PM

99. Yes, his response was reasonable ,

and while I don't have much, I sent another small
amount. However, since I expect a lot of more
onslaughts on Bernie, I don't know whether I
can keep this up.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:48 PM

109. Spot on answer from Sanders

Now let's hear the response to that from the Clinton camp. They may not like the terrain they're fighting on, but they picked this battle.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:53 PM

110. It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:36 PM

117. dark money

 

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