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Hillary Clinton in Dallas Tuesday for fundraiser, scraps public eventGromer Jeffers - DallasNews
Published: September 15, 2015 6:35 pm
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Hillary Clinton is set to visit Dallas Tuesday for a fundraiser, but has scrapped a previously announced public event for Big D Democrats.
But Clinton will come to town with hat in hand.
Dallas lawyer Marc Stanley is hosting Clinton for a fundraising breakfast. He expects 150 people to attend.
The support has been terrific, Stanley said. Were going to raise a significant amount of money.
I tried to get Stanley to give me his fundraiser goal, but I couldnt get it out of him.
Clintons campaign did not give any details about her schedule. It was my fabulous media partner, KXAS (NBC 5) political reporter Julie Fine, who broke the news today that Clintons public event had been cancelled:
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More: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/hillary-clinton-in-dallas-tuesday-for-fundraiser-scraps-public-event.html/
Logical
(22,457 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I was volunteering at the Discovery Shop. Herd to believe since I learned about the Discovery Shop from Kiwanis, and I never joined Kiwanis. I sort of intended to, but never got around to it.
Anyway, the radio there, for some reason, was playing Rush Limbaugh. One of his big themes was trashing AlGore. (That's how he said it - all one word.) This was during primary season, before any primaries had taken place. But Limbaugh always had a story about some flub or some bad news for AlGore. He was out of money, he was slipping in the polls. Things were looking grim for Algore, he would chortle.
Yet when the dust finally settled, Gore won the nomination pretty easily.
I am not making any kind of prediction, but really just have a sense of deja vu.
Also, that a good portion of the media is eager to tear her down, much like they went after Gore.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It's 2015, Hillary Clinton's campaign deciding not to do a public address in Dallas. But continuing on to do a fundraiser, as if all were normal.
I don't see what that has to do with Rush Limbaugh in 1999.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Gore and Hillary can both be seen as enormous favorites to win the nomination.
Some people, well before any voting has taken place, were micro-examining that front runner, magnifying all their supposed problems and missteps.
It just reminds me of that time.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Myself, I was around in 1999. But I didn't listen to Rush. Never. I still don't.
I guess it's different tastes - the tastes that you so fondly remember come back to haunt you.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I did NOT listen to Limbaugh either.
The radio was on at a place where I volunteered. I didn't choose to turn it on, and I didn't choose the station. As a new volunteer, I didn't think I should mess with the radio.
delrem
(9,688 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)although the media seems to have a narrative best designed to create a horse race, because that is what sells. Note they have turned the big guns on Bernie now, because he's getting traction.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I'm simply saying that THIS MATTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSH LIMBAUGH IN 1999.
OK?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,951 posts)I'm far from writing Hillary off at this point. Bernie, for all of the attention and support he is receiving, has few endorsements and nobody has actually won a single primary yet. For all of the problems/issues it has caused Hillary, it's probably a good thing we have went through all of this e-mail/server stuff now instead of during the heat of the actual primary season. As a Hillary supporter, I'm not going to worry too much unless Bernie starts racking up a significant number of primary wins once they begin. And, of course, I will still support the Democratic nominee regardless of who wins.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)This is what she embodies as a candidate.
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dixiegrrrrl
(60,157 posts)He has said most recently that he will make decision in late fall.
He and a bunch of other folks are closely watching Hillary.
Sheesh, you would think she had learned something from her last campaign.
delrem
(9,688 posts)If he can't get into it now, if he has to wait until/if one candidate fails, then that doesn't speak highly of him.
merrily
(45,251 posts)However, I think his decision has been made. He has been running what they've been calling a "shadow campaign."
At first, I thought he was unlikely to run without an ironclad guaranty of winning the nom. My "reasoning" was, he'd rather go out as a two-term Vice President of a liked administration than as a three time Presidential primary race loser.
But then, someone much smarter than I reminded me of the difference between political junkies and normal folk. He said five or ten years from now, no one will remember loss of a primary race: In the minds of most Americans, Biden will out either as Vice President or as the guy who got the Democratic Presidential nom after having served two terms as Vice President. And that's assuming they'll even remember he served as VP. Many Americans today cannot name the VP.
I'm starting to think inside the bubble myself. Curses, DU!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,157 posts)Thinking outside the bubble...or the box...is certainly a needed skill for these times, it seems.
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
Lily Tomlin
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Which requires smiling, being positive and continually happy/cheerful is something he is interested in doing right now. Everyone has to choose their priorities, and his world is still pretty rocked at the moment.
hedda_foil
(16,984 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)This looks really really really bad for Hillary.
Autumn
(48,952 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Autumn
(48,952 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Bernie's crowds make her turnouts look really sad and anemic. I think she gets that she's not the people's choice.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Are you joking me? She's spending how much money on her campaign?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Unless you go to these guys, which is probably where Trump gets most of his.
Meet "Crowds on Demand"
http://theantimedia.org/rent-a-crowd-company-admits-politicians-are-using-their-service/
merrily
(45,251 posts)at least seeded with shills for a long time. They start the cheering, the applause, etc. and, once it starts, the rest join in. Plus, what the hell is the deal with about 20 people standing behind the politician? Used to be the speaker was alone on the podium and everyone else faces him or her. Weird.
If you have enough money, you can buy almost anything. Right now, I'm worried about voting machines. Stories are already circulating about how old they are and how they might break down. Those stories make me leery.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I agree with you 100%.
Why Dems have avoided fixing this for so long now, is beyond me.
Paper ballots, hand-counts, verifiable by re-count as needed.
It's not rocket science.
Why Dems have avoided fixing this for so long now, is beyond me.
Paper ballots, hand-counts, verifiable by re-count as needed.
It's not rocket science.
Think.
merrily
(45,251 posts)1. why she did not show up at Netroots. Netroots schedules a full year in advance. Her schedule conflict was attending a fundraiser for the ARKANSAS Democratic Party. Even if they schedule over a year in advance, had she given them a full year's notice, they would have changed the date of their fundraiser.
2. why she was not at Greg Palast's talk in 2004
3. The subject of this thread.
I'm starting to see a pattern.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)She cannot speak extemporaneously, she isn't warm, she's way too stage-managed and every time she opens her mouth and does the ummmmm filler you can just hear the internal dialogue going "wait, what's my angle now? Am I supposed to be progressive or moderate now?".
I'm honestly embarrassed for her.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Trump.
Not the details of the 2000 page ACA or the details of the TPP.
Trump.
Yeah that's the kinda person I want running the country. Not.
merrily
(45,251 posts)a Volvo owner to say!
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)The Lexus is getting a little long in the tooth anyway
merrily
(45,251 posts)But I love you, too, anyway.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I was just lucky enough to buy me a great car when I had some!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I was alluding to one of those awkward times when President-elect Hillary deviated from her script and got herself in trouble, claiming that when she and Bill left the White House, they were "not only dead broke, but in debt."
Politifact determined that Hillary's claim was "mostly false."
RufusTFirefly concluded that like many such statements, although it may have had a grain of truth to it, from the standpoint of people who truly struggle economically, it was utterly tone deaf.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Somebody I know well had something to do with their legal defense (re White Water) and when Hilz was running for Senator of our fair state I asked him for an honest assessment of her. Shes smart, shes tough, shed be a good Senator...however I would advise the use of caution if she ever asks you to borrow money.
The Dead Broke cannot afford a house in Chappaqua, and I hate to break it to the Clintons but EVERYONE is in debt. Cry me a fucking river.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I've actually been alerted on for things that I thought were so ridiculously over the top that I didn't think a sarcasm smiley was remotely necessary. So I'm a little skittish these days!
By the way, living in Chappaqua is no bed of roses, lemme tell ya! One day the chauffeur called in sick and they were completely on their own!
LiberalArkie
(19,772 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Poppy (startled): Omigosh! You don't say! That gizmo's amazing! Bar, come over here! Quick!
Bar: Enjoy it yourself, George. I'm not going to worry my beautiful mind over some new-fangled cash register.
Hill (suddenly concerned): Barbara, where's Bill?
Bar: I think he's in one of the changing rooms.
Hill: (exasperated) But this is a women's clothing store.
Bar: (chuckling slightly) This place seems to be working very well for him.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)doesn't seem too talented. Showing up is the basics.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hillary has suffered from the phenomenon that the more people watch and listen to her, the more her numbers go down.
Happened in the 2008 primary, happened during the book tour for Hard Choices and it's happening now.
And no, it's not about Republican lies. Everyone on the left has to endure those.
Besides, some of things that bother me most are objectively provable facts, like dodging a subpoena for two years and an FOIA request for about the same period of time, then wiping her server before beginning compliance.
I can't think of a great reason for any of those things and, even if I could, that kind of delay is thumbing your nose at relevant laws. And Susan McDougal did do time in jail for refusing to answer questions about Bubba.
Bubba and his lawyers fought the Paula Jones lawsuit tooth and nail for years, but settled for more than she had originally sued for as soon as (a) the law on sex in the workplace changed; and (b) her side announced they were bringing in a new witness. And settlement agreements, esp. on something scandalous, typically include a secrecy clause.
And what was up with documents from the Clinton administration that had no counterparts or copies being messed with? http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/berger.probe/
Then, Clinton supporters point to the absence of evidence. :shrug"
Autumn
(48,952 posts)bad.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)This campaign is a train wreck for the ages. No wonder the DNC is already trial ballooning their Plan B establishment candidate.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and now the Hindenburg of her campaign in blazing merrily away.
How the fuck can supposed "professionals" be this blitheringly incompetent?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But she's had 8 years to think it over. Not only did she not recognize and correct her mistakes...she doubled down on them.
its not stupidity....I'm guessing just a huge dose of arrogance/narcissism. Not what we need for a President.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Her sense of entitlement is positively Bushian. But then again Little Boots does think of her as "a sister-in-law." As if that alone shouldn't disqualify her from the WH.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)but this sort of behavior is pathetic.
I'm beginning to think she'll be out of the race a lot sooner than later. Unlike 2008, I'm beginning to think that if she loses Iowa and New Hampshire, and the polling for whatever states come up next, she'll be gone. No PUMAs this time.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she is tanking faster than almost anyone anticipated
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)If she can't run a campaign, how could she possibly run a country?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)run for a second term. Hahahaha. Very funny joke---unless she means it.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Even after Obama had the nomination sewn up she was campaigning to try to win in '08. Hopefully she'll plummet so badly she has no choice this time.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)has ready won the nomination. Not close, not likely to, they will have to have enough votes on hand or else she continues to run.
frylock
(34,825 posts)no way she goes quietly into the night.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It was going to be yuuge!
Oh wait...wrong candidate.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Kilgore
(1,819 posts)progressoid
(53,150 posts)Well, that's the important thing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Oh, wait....
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and there are her priorities, on full display
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I guess this is that?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Old Crow
(2,268 posts)Everyday Americans? Not so much.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Running for president is hard work, it's exhausting. And it should be. It most definitely is not a coronation in return for years of public service.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hillary expected to win in 2008. She was inevitable until Obama and his amazing ground game gobsnacked her. That process, and ultimately losing, had to be taxing on the ego as well as physically and emotionally draining.
Again, she thought she had it in the bag for 2016. The Dem establishment made sure that she had no competition. They never, in their wildest dreams, predicted the Sanders surge.
She's doing worse now (against Sanders) than she was in 2007 against Obama. She's staring down the barrel of a hard-fought, tight battle. Most likely she will lose. The base and the heart of our party is with Sanders.
I imagine it's worse than we know. These campaigns conduct extensive polling. Sanders has all ready moved on to SC. He knows that Iowa and NH are in the bag.
Hillary hasn't done any large events/speeches in Iowa lately. Last I heard, she was meeting a small group of supporters behind closed doors. It's bizarre. In 2008, things were quite different with non-stop campaign events.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)But all her highly paid consultants are trying to keep their high paying gigs going as long as possible and they don't care what it's going to do to this woman's emotional well-being in the short-term and long-term.
I think she's on autopilot at this point.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)
I've watched her appearances in our state. You described her perfectly, "on autopilot."
She seems resigned.
I think they're continuing to slowly bring Biden into the race. He's the Plan B. Each day, he does something that has him inching closer to a run. He's getting in to take her place, not to run along side her.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Schmice2
(20 posts)We ended up with Humphrey who narrowly lost to Nixon. Look what happened. I am really worried.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Humphrey did not lose. Kissinger cut a deal with Nixon to derail the Vietnam peace talks---throwing the election to Nixon by the slimmest margin, snagging himself a job as SOS and dooming us to 4 more years and two illegal incursions. McCarthy never had a chance of stopping any of that.
As for "ended up with Humphrey" read up on the Civil Rights Act the Voting Rights Act etc. We got those laws because Humphrey and LBJ worked like dogs rounding up Congressional support. Hubert Humphrey was a great man.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)That wasn't before '72 ???
I'm too tired to argue, but I think it was later.
G'Night !!!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)By telling South Vietnam's Thieu he'd get a better deal from Nixon. At Nixon's order.
Historical Fact.
And the terms Nixon announced before the 1972 election were EXACTLY THE SAME as LBJ's original offer back in 1968.
hedda_foil
(16,984 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)If Bobby hadn't been murdered, he would have been President and we would be living in a different world today.
And it sure as fuck isn't 1968 and Senator Sanders sure as fuck isn't Eugene McCarthy.
Save your scare tactics for Camp Weathervane, informed people know better.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and the dynamics were much more complex than what you're making it out to be. I will give your simplistic "analysis" one similarity. In 1968, the Establishment Dems were in charge too and locked everyone else out of the process. The difference this time is that THE PEOPLE'S candidate is still conveniently alive. The reason the Democrats lost in '68 was that they were already bought and sold by the MIC, much like today's "Democrats" who are bought and sold by Wall Street. But we didn't have social media back then so, "it's a new dawn."
demwing
(16,916 posts)I'd be worried too, if I was a Hillary supporter.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)This thread makes a mountain out of supposition and innuendo. Since lots of Texas women support her, I doubt that it was lack of interest that caused her to cancel her plans.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)of interest. Evidently, she's still scrambling to come up with something, since all the news reports have to tell us is that the conflict is "unspecified."
Exactly where and when was this canceled public appearance? Can anyone find that info for us? Bernie drew around 8,000 to his Dallas rally. https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-draws-thousands-to-texas-rallies/
How publicly humiliating, not to mention damaging to her campaign, should HRC only draw a fraction of that number. Plus, she'd have to pay for whatever venue was announced when the public rally was announced.
This has gone beyond pathetic - when (not if) she bails on the campaign, the least she can do is provide/fund grief counseling for her ardent supporters.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the bribes, err, campaign contributions, yeah, that's it, from the 1%. Always.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Really, you're going with attempting to use the Kennedy assassination to explain why Clinton canceled her public event? That's your go-to?
And yeah, there ARE lots of people who were likely interested in going to see her. And now, evidently, that's not going to happen. Unless they're big donors too, I suppose.
Kind of a big "fuck you" to those people, I think.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)are not supposition and innuendo?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That's one serious stretch of the imagination! Can't stop shaking my head over that one. Good lord have mercy!
Autumn
(48,952 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)denbot
(9,950 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)Hillary will be the next President!! Bernie and ALL of the GOP Clown Car candidates are un-electable.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Fatigue and somnolence are common symptoms of depression,
http://web4health.info/en/answers/soma-cfs-other.htm
Seriously, many of us have experienced the depression of being let down by politicians we've supported. My worst experience with that was Bill Clinton's presidency.
Hillary Clinton supporters have been taking one hit after another this week. It's gotta be tough.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Now that it's increasingly apparent she'll be dropping out of the primary, all her emphasis is on grabbing all the bucks she can. Because once there is no possibility of her sitting in the Oval Office, all the foreign government, one percent, and corporate "donations" to the Clinton Family Foundation, not to mention the $250,000 per 40 minute speech fees, will come to a screeching halt. And with no influence to peddle, both Clintons' social standing/A List invitations will come to a similar halt.
So why spend her precious funds on public meeting venues? No return on investment there.
According to a report in Politico last June, the plan was for HRC and her supportive super PAC to raise "well over $1 billion over the next 17 months." (by end of 2015)
"The campaign alone (minus the SuperPac) says it is aiming to gather $100 million before the end of 2015.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/exclusive-hillary-clintons-jam-packed-fundraising-schedule-118562#ixzz3lsN8j91w
I have no doubt slick Bill is burning the midnight oil preparing for legal actions to grab control of the tens of millions raised by the SuperPAC. What happens to SuperPAC funds when the candidate drops out? Already a big legal issue for Rick Perry - coming soon to Camp Clinton.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)seems to be "Ready For Hill" ... doh.
Marge, help me, she's about to go off a cliff and take all of her PAC money with her!!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)This shows that she's frugal.
Thinking ahead, like a President of not only the USA but of the WORLD, ought to be. A conservationist.
And, you know, her campaign has all kinds of money so mark my words for sure you'll be hearing something very positive that comes out of this!
frylock
(34,825 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The lame excuses are Hillarious.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Tuesday, September 22:
A Conversation with Hillary Rodham Clinton in support of Hillary for America -- Contribution levels: $1,000, $2,700 (includes picture with Hillary). To contribute or RSVP go to (blah, blah, blah): (Time [morning] to be determined, at the home of Marc and Wendy Stanley, Dallas, Address provided upon RSVP)
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs106/1100458853375/archive/1122251170393.html
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/ticketed-events/conversation-hillary-sep-22-1/?raiser=112322%20%28Time%20[morning]%20to%20be%20determined,%20at%20the%20home%20of%20Marc%20and%20Wendy%20Stanley,%20Dallas,%20Address%20provided%20upon%20RSVP%29
delrem
(9,688 posts)how can you be part of the new progressive left that she leads?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)However you want to extend the graphs, there's no way she's nearing a plateau.
So eat your hearts out!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)She is still headed steadily downhill ....
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Youre really MEAN to your subjects, arent you?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Vinca
(53,946 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(19,148 posts)and before you know it, you'll have several hundred Rich People on your side! It's a groundswell, I tell ya! A superabundance of riches!
The support has been terrific, Stanley said. Were going to raise a significant amount of money.
With all this money, I can't wait to see the upcoming commercials. I expect them to have production values at least on par with the best of Orson Welles and Steven Spielberg (given similar budgets), and to win three Academy Awards, minimum. (Meryl Streep as Hillary, Harrison Ford as Bill, Jar Jar Binks as Louie Gohmert, produced by George Lucas (of course).)
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,951 posts)a.)Lots of people (outside of DU) take notice of this
b.)Lots of people (outside of DU) will be upset about this- everybody knows that politicians have to fundraise to get elected.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and that doesn't appear to be happening in this case.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,951 posts)So, we will wait and see. Acting as though HRC's campaign is doomed/over seems really premature at the moment.
frylock
(34,825 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)She was going to meet, perhaps, with some notable Democratic Party members and now she's meeting with a fundraising group instead? Sounds like both meetings were pretty much the same if that's what "Big D" means.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Buns_of_Fire
(19,148 posts)It's got a nicer ring to it than "the Metroplex" (which would include Ft. Worth).
randome
(34,845 posts)Too bad the article doesn't mention what event she canceled. That was the first question I asked myself. Seems a lot of assumptions are being made here.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)If the Clinton campaign does not want to be exposed for doing things like this then she need to stop doing the things that tend to make her not look so good
Her choice
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is not a phrase that exists anywhere in her mind.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)When she was in the South she tried to sound southern. Awful.
Still, if she gets the nom, I will vote for her. Lesser of evils, as usual.