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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:15 PM Sep 2015

My God... You Don't Want Headlines Like THIS...

Hillary Clinton in Dallas Tuesday for fundraiser, scraps public event
Gromer Jeffers - DallasNews
Published: September 15, 2015 6:35 pm

<snip>

Hillary Clinton is set to visit Dallas Tuesday for a fundraiser, but has scrapped a previously announced public event for Big D Democrats.

But Clinton will come to town with hat in hand.

Dallas lawyer Marc Stanley is hosting Clinton for a fundraising breakfast. He expects 150 people to attend.

“The support has been terrific,” Stanley said. “We’re going to raise a significant amount of money.”

I tried to get Stanley to give me his fundraiser goal, but I couldn’t get it out of him.

Clinton’s campaign did not give any details about her schedule. It was my fabulous media partner, KXAS (NBC 5) political reporter Julie Fine, who broke the news today that Clinton’s public event had been cancelled:

<snip>

More: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/hillary-clinton-in-dallas-tuesday-for-fundraiser-scraps-public-event.html/


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My God... You Don't Want Headlines Like THIS... (Original Post) WillyT Sep 2015 OP
And the hits just keep on coming! nt Logical Sep 2015 #1
some of this reminds me of 1999 hfojvt Sep 2015 #37
Nah. This has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh back in 1999. delrem Sep 2015 #42
the similarity is hfojvt Sep 2015 #48
That has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh in 1999 either. delrem Sep 2015 #50
you may have missed that part hfojvt Sep 2015 #51
That's nice. Especially nice that you remember it 16 years later. n/t delrem Sep 2015 #53
Rest assured, if Sanders or O'Malley had done something like this, it would have been reported. merrily Sep 2015 #63
could be a million reasons for this. What is the subtext you are implying? Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #108
I'm not implying any "subtext". delrem Sep 2015 #110
I'm waiting to see what happens with the primaries Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #75
Says it all right there. HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #2
That's super! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #3
The House Of Cards May Be A Tumbling cantbeserious Sep 2015 #4
Which explains Biden's tentative plans to run again. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #32
"he will make decision in late fall" is bullshit politics. delrem Sep 2015 #44
Late Fall is the latest possible date he can make his decision. Filing deadlines. merrily Sep 2015 #64
Interesting point.... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #70
. merrily Sep 2015 #98
I believe he is still grieving for his son/trying to decide if campaigning IdaBriggs Sep 2015 #73
It sure as all heck feels like it's circling the proverbial drain. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #36
Holy Shit on a shingle dorkzilla Sep 2015 #5
Anyone know why she scrapped the public event? Autumn Sep 2015 #6
Likely, she got 3 RVPS Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #9
I just read the comments. Brutal. Autumn Sep 2015 #11
because no one shows up? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #10
Scheduling conflict? daleanime Sep 2015 #7
It's hard to buy enthusiastic crowds. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #20
It's not really hard. I would bet the deed to my home that politicial crowds have been merrily Sep 2015 #61
ugh. voting machines. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #100
. merrily Sep 2015 #102
So far, a scheduling conflict has been cited for merrily Sep 2015 #62
she sucks as a candidate dorkzilla Sep 2015 #78
She kept glancing at notes when speaking about merrily Sep 2015 #80
oy dorkzilla Sep 2015 #87
Just what I would expect merrily Sep 2015 #92
merrily I'm going to buy me a Volvo now because I love you THAT much! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #95
Sorry. I forgot which utterly unacceptable vehicle you drove. merrily Sep 2015 #96
Lexus, Volvo, its all the same out-of-touch latte drinking car dorkzilla Sep 2015 #101
Only someone who's been "dead broke" can truly understand the plight of Volvo owners. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #111
Well I’ve been broke more times than I had money. I’m definitely in the middle now... dorkzilla Sep 2015 #114
I'm glad you have a great car. I was mainly being cheeky RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #119
I knew you were kidding me! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #121
Sorry! Wasn't sure! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #125
Was that when she was caught not knowing how to put gas in the vehicle? LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #127
Haha. I bet they have a blast when they get together with the Poppy Bushes RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #128
Some high price talent.... daleanime Sep 2015 #82
"80% of life is showing up." Woody Allen merrily Sep 2015 #85
Then she should fire whoever does her scheduling, This just makes her look Autumn Sep 2015 #103
Wow. No wonder she's plummeting. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #8
She brought her own matches, hifiguy Sep 2015 #112
OK, 2008 was a blunder. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #117
Agreed 100% hifiguy Sep 2015 #118
Wow. I am not a fan of Hillary, SheilaT Sep 2015 #12
i think so too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #15
Death by a thousand self inflicted wounds MissDeeds Sep 2015 #31
Four friggn' years of 3rd Way/corporate run focus groups - Divernan Sep 2015 #47
Maybe 8. I heard something about her asking Kanye to hold off his 2016 run to 2020, so she can merrily Sep 2015 #65
I don't know, it is hard to imagine someone with her ambitions ever giving up LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #88
There's no way she concedes until some one else..... daleanime Sep 2015 #105
She's going to lean heavily on those Super Delegates.. frylock Sep 2015 #124
No! She canceled it because it was going to be too awesome!! jeff47 Sep 2015 #13
lol. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #17
Very Good! Kilgore Sep 2015 #79
“We’re going to raise a significant amount of money.” progressoid Sep 2015 #14
Now, if we could only teach a check how to pull a voting machine lever. merrily Sep 2015 #66
i see the money grab is still scheduled restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16
"Forget the little people, take me to your filthy rich folks." n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #18
They DID say she was planning on more spontaneous JackInGreen Sep 2015 #19
Last minute cancellations are indeed spontaneous. The plan is working! Kudos to the campaign team! merrily Sep 2015 #67
Well-heeled donors? Yes, please! Old Crow Sep 2015 #21
I get the sense that Hillary is getting worn out, is not up to the task. reformist2 Sep 2015 #22
I don't think she wants a 2008 repeat. CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #35
I'm beginning to think she sees the writing on the wall and wants to bail out dorkzilla Sep 2015 #89
I've noticed that... CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #130
Your post reminds me of this: LWolf Sep 2015 #131
Will she ever have enough money? fbc Sep 2015 #23
Optics! frylock Sep 2015 #24
I remember Eugene McCarthy when I think of Bernie. Schmice2 Sep 2015 #25
How old were you in 1968? McCarthy would have lost to Nixon by a landslide. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #28
"Kissinger cut a deal with Nixon to derail the Vietnam peace talks...." WillyT Sep 2015 #33
Kissinger monkeywrenched LBJ's peace offer to the North Vietnamese. hifiguy Sep 2015 #116
Humphrey was a great man, but if they hadn't murdered Bobby, Nixon would have lost to him. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #38
I WAS there. 99Forever Sep 2015 #84
Yeah, I do too, Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #68
Sure you are demwing Sep 2015 #69
JFK was killed in Dallas. For all we know, the Secret Sevice pulled the plug on the appearance. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #26
Yet, Why Did She ??? - She Still Had The Time To Collect The Money !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #27
She'd have canceled sooner but tried to arrange some face-saving "conflict" Divernan Sep 2015 #43
There's ALWAYS time to collect hifiguy Sep 2015 #113
That's some very impressive stretching you'r doing there. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #60
"JFK was killed in Dallas" and the Secret Service LWolf Sep 2015 #72
Whew! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #83
Because JFK was killed there? Autumn Sep 2015 #104
Dallas, you say? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #29
. merrily Sep 2015 #93
Bernie N/T denbot Sep 2015 #30
YAWN!! lobodons Sep 2015 #34
YAWNS & sleepiness may be signs of depression Divernan Sep 2015 #49
Goddammit you made me gigglesnort Scootaloo Sep 2015 #58
She's scrambling to raise every damn penny before dropping out. Divernan Sep 2015 #39
Her Ready For Hillary campaign Aerows Sep 2015 #40
Campaign slogan: Take the PAC money but don't run Divernan Sep 2015 #46
That's great! Aerows Sep 2015 #109
Big deal. So she downsized her Dallas event schedule? delrem Sep 2015 #41
This shows that she's frugal. frylock Sep 2015 #107
Well, she evidently cut budget of her spinmeisters. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #120
In Dallas for breakfast on 9/22; when was public event scheduled? Divernan Sep 2015 #45
If you can't pay to listen to Hillary, delrem Sep 2015 #54
#1 Clinton Fight Club Rule: You gotta pay to play! Divernan Sep 2015 #55
All this negative bullshit. There's no sign whatever that Hillary has "plateaued". delrem Sep 2015 #52
How's that river in Egypt? Divernan Sep 2015 #56
I'll explain after I figure out the purpose of the humerus bone. delrem Sep 2015 #57
Your right .. She has not plateaued Trajan Sep 2015 #86
She has momentum! LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #94
Damn it you just made me choke on my tea!!!!! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #122
She lives in a hermetically sealed world AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #59
That's exactly what the problem is. She's a "bubble girl." Vinca Sep 2015 #71
The Truth...Sad as it is......she's long gone..n/t KoKo Sep 2015 #123
Well, 150 Rich People here, 200 Rich People there, 75 Rich People there... Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #74
You seem to be assuming that: Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #76
Everybody knows that politicians have to actually appeal to voters to get elected.. frylock Sep 2015 #126
Nobody has cast any votes for anybody as of yet Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #132
Happy to see that people are finally realizing that a vote has yet to be cast frylock Sep 2015 #133
Ouch. Guess we know where "We, the People" fit in her grand scheme. peacebird Sep 2015 #77
So what does "Big D Democrats" mean? randome Sep 2015 #81
Traditionally, "Big D" = Dallas. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #90
Thanks. Still, meeting with 'Democrats' sounds less populist than meeting with voters. randome Sep 2015 #97
Well, I do. But I can see that her supporters wouldn't. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #91
Why not it is the truth about what is going down YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #99
Will she turn down the money and lecture the fatcats about how bad money in politics is? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #106
"Turn down the money" hifiguy Sep 2015 #115
She's a lousy public speaker. xfundy Sep 2015 #129

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
37. some of this reminds me of 1999
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:35 AM
Sep 2015

I was volunteering at the Discovery Shop. Herd to believe since I learned about the Discovery Shop from Kiwanis, and I never joined Kiwanis. I sort of intended to, but never got around to it.

Anyway, the radio there, for some reason, was playing Rush Limbaugh. One of his big themes was trashing AlGore. (That's how he said it - all one word.) This was during primary season, before any primaries had taken place. But Limbaugh always had a story about some flub or some bad news for AlGore. He was out of money, he was slipping in the polls. Things were looking grim for Algore, he would chortle.

Yet when the dust finally settled, Gore won the nomination pretty easily.

I am not making any kind of prediction, but really just have a sense of deja vu.

Also, that a good portion of the media is eager to tear her down, much like they went after Gore.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
42. Nah. This has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh back in 1999.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:53 AM
Sep 2015

It's 2015, Hillary Clinton's campaign deciding not to do a public address in Dallas. But continuing on to do a fundraiser, as if all were normal.

I don't see what that has to do with Rush Limbaugh in 1999.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
48. the similarity is
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:30 AM
Sep 2015

Gore and Hillary can both be seen as enormous favorites to win the nomination.

Some people, well before any voting has taken place, were micro-examining that front runner, magnifying all their supposed problems and missteps.

It just reminds me of that time.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
50. That has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh in 1999 either.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:34 AM
Sep 2015

Myself, I was around in 1999. But I didn't listen to Rush. Never. I still don't.

I guess it's different tastes - the tastes that you so fondly remember come back to haunt you.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
51. you may have missed that part
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:49 AM
Sep 2015

I did NOT listen to Limbaugh either.

The radio was on at a place where I volunteered. I didn't choose to turn it on, and I didn't choose the station. As a new volunteer, I didn't think I should mess with the radio.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
63. Rest assured, if Sanders or O'Malley had done something like this, it would have been reported.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:39 AM
Sep 2015

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
108. could be a million reasons for this. What is the subtext you are implying?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:08 PM
Sep 2015

although the media seems to have a narrative best designed to create a horse race, because that is what sells. Note they have turned the big guns on Bernie now, because he's getting traction.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
110. I'm not implying any "subtext".
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:21 PM
Sep 2015

I'm simply saying that THIS MATTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSH LIMBAUGH IN 1999.

OK?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,951 posts)
75. I'm waiting to see what happens with the primaries
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:44 AM
Sep 2015

I'm far from writing Hillary off at this point. Bernie, for all of the attention and support he is receiving, has few endorsements and nobody has actually won a single primary yet. For all of the problems/issues it has caused Hillary, it's probably a good thing we have went through all of this e-mail/server stuff now instead of during the heat of the actual primary season. As a Hillary supporter, I'm not going to worry too much unless Bernie starts racking up a significant number of primary wins once they begin. And, of course, I will still support the Democratic nominee regardless of who wins.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,157 posts)
32. Which explains Biden's tentative plans to run again.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:09 AM
Sep 2015

He has said most recently that he will make decision in late fall.
He and a bunch of other folks are closely watching Hillary.

Sheesh, you would think she had learned something from her last campaign.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
44. "he will make decision in late fall" is bullshit politics.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:59 AM
Sep 2015

If he can't get into it now, if he has to wait until/if one candidate fails, then that doesn't speak highly of him.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
64. Late Fall is the latest possible date he can make his decision. Filing deadlines.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:47 AM
Sep 2015

However, I think his decision has been made. He has been running what they've been calling a "shadow campaign."

At first, I thought he was unlikely to run without an ironclad guaranty of winning the nom. My "reasoning" was, he'd rather go out as a two-term Vice President of a liked administration than as a three time Presidential primary race loser.

But then, someone much smarter than I reminded me of the difference between political junkies and normal folk. He said five or ten years from now, no one will remember loss of a primary race: In the minds of most Americans, Biden will out either as Vice President or as the guy who got the Democratic Presidential nom after having served two terms as Vice President. And that's assuming they'll even remember he served as VP. Many Americans today cannot name the VP.

I'm starting to think inside the bubble myself. Curses, DU!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,157 posts)
70. Interesting point....
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:54 AM
Sep 2015

Thinking outside the bubble...or the box...is certainly a needed skill for these times, it seems.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
98. .
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:53 AM
Sep 2015
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.


Lily Tomlin

to the late, great Jackpine Radical
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
73. I believe he is still grieving for his son/trying to decide if campaigning
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Sep 2015

Which requires smiling, being positive and continually happy/cheerful is something he is interested in doing right now. Everyone has to choose their priorities, and his world is still pretty rocked at the moment.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
10. because no one shows up?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:33 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie's crowds make her turnouts look really sad and anemic. I think she gets that she's not the people's choice.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
61. It's not really hard. I would bet the deed to my home that politicial crowds have been
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:32 AM
Sep 2015

at least seeded with shills for a long time. They start the cheering, the applause, etc. and, once it starts, the rest join in. Plus, what the hell is the deal with about 20 people standing behind the politician? Used to be the speaker was alone on the podium and everyone else faces him or her. Weird.

If you have enough money, you can buy almost anything. Right now, I'm worried about voting machines. Stories are already circulating about how old they are and how they might break down. Those stories make me leery.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
100. ugh. voting machines.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 10:00 AM
Sep 2015

I agree with you 100%.
Why Dems have avoided fixing this for so long now, is beyond me.

Paper ballots, hand-counts, verifiable by re-count as needed.
It's not rocket science.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. .
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 10:10 AM
Sep 2015
Why Dems have avoided fixing this for so long now, is beyond me.

Paper ballots, hand-counts, verifiable by re-count as needed.
It's not rocket science.


Think.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. So far, a scheduling conflict has been cited for
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:37 AM
Sep 2015

1. why she did not show up at Netroots. Netroots schedules a full year in advance. Her schedule conflict was attending a fundraiser for the ARKANSAS Democratic Party. Even if they schedule over a year in advance, had she given them a full year's notice, they would have changed the date of their fundraiser.

2. why she was not at Greg Palast's talk in 2004

3. The subject of this thread.



I'm starting to see a pattern.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
78. she sucks as a candidate
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:54 AM
Sep 2015

She cannot speak extemporaneously, she isn't warm, she's way too stage-managed and every time she opens her mouth and does the ummmmm filler you can just hear the internal dialogue going "wait, what's my angle now? Am I supposed to be progressive or moderate now?".

I'm honestly embarrassed for her.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
80. She kept glancing at notes when speaking about
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:58 AM
Sep 2015

Trump.

Not the details of the 2000 page ACA or the details of the TPP.

Trump.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
95. merrily I'm going to buy me a Volvo now because I love you THAT much!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:42 AM
Sep 2015

The Lexus is getting a little long in the tooth anyway

merrily

(45,251 posts)
96. Sorry. I forgot which utterly unacceptable vehicle you drove.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

But I love you, too, anyway.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
114. Well I’ve been broke more times than I had money. I’m definitely in the middle now...
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:50 PM
Sep 2015

I was just lucky enough to buy me a great car when I had some!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
119. I'm glad you have a great car. I was mainly being cheeky
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

I was alluding to one of those awkward times when President-elect Hillary deviated from her script and got herself in trouble, claiming that when she and Bill left the White House, they were "not only dead broke, but in debt."

Politifact determined that Hillary's claim was "mostly false."

RufusTFirefly concluded that like many such statements, although it may have had a grain of truth to it, from the standpoint of people who truly struggle economically, it was utterly tone deaf.







dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
121. I knew you were kidding me!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:21 PM
Sep 2015

Somebody I know well had something to do with their legal defense (re White Water) and when Hilz was running for Senator of our fair state I asked him for an honest assessment of her. “She’s smart, she’s tough, she’d be a good Senator...however I would advise the use of caution if she ever asks you to borrow money”.

The Dead Broke cannot afford a house in Chappaqua, and I hate to break it to the Clintons but EVERYONE is in debt. Cry me a fucking river.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
125. Sorry! Wasn't sure!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:44 PM
Sep 2015

I've actually been alerted on for things that I thought were so ridiculously over the top that I didn't think a sarcasm smiley was remotely necessary. So I'm a little skittish these days!



By the way, living in Chappaqua is no bed of roses, lemme tell ya! One day the chauffeur called in sick and they were completely on their own!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
128. Haha. I bet they have a blast when they get together with the Poppy Bushes
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:13 PM
Sep 2015
Hill (pedantically): And that's called a checkout scanner.
Poppy (startled): Omigosh! You don't say! That gizmo's amazing! Bar, come over here! Quick!
Bar: Enjoy it yourself, George. I'm not going to worry my beautiful mind over some new-fangled cash register.
Hill (suddenly concerned): Barbara, where's Bill?
Bar: I think he's in one of the changing rooms.
Hill: (exasperated) But this is a women's clothing store.
Bar: (chuckling slightly) This place seems to be working very well for him.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
85. "80% of life is showing up." Woody Allen
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:08 AM
Sep 2015

Hillary has suffered from the phenomenon that the more people watch and listen to her, the more her numbers go down.

Happened in the 2008 primary, happened during the book tour for Hard Choices and it's happening now.

And no, it's not about Republican lies. Everyone on the left has to endure those.

Besides, some of things that bother me most are objectively provable facts, like dodging a subpoena for two years and an FOIA request for about the same period of time, then wiping her server before beginning compliance.

I can't think of a great reason for any of those things and, even if I could, that kind of delay is thumbing your nose at relevant laws. And Susan McDougal did do time in jail for refusing to answer questions about Bubba.

Bubba and his lawyers fought the Paula Jones lawsuit tooth and nail for years, but settled for more than she had originally sued for as soon as (a) the law on sex in the workplace changed; and (b) her side announced they were bringing in a new witness. And settlement agreements, esp. on something scandalous, typically include a secrecy clause.

And what was up with documents from the Clinton administration that had no counterparts or copies being messed with? http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/berger.probe/

Then, Clinton supporters point to the absence of evidence. :shrug"

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. Wow. No wonder she's plummeting.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:31 PM
Sep 2015

This campaign is a train wreck for the ages. No wonder the DNC is already trial ballooning their Plan B establishment candidate.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
112. She brought her own matches,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:38 PM
Sep 2015

and now the Hindenburg of her campaign in blazing merrily away.

How the fuck can supposed "professionals" be this blitheringly incompetent?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
117. OK, 2008 was a blunder.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:01 PM
Sep 2015

But she's had 8 years to think it over. Not only did she not recognize and correct her mistakes...she doubled down on them.
its not stupidity....I'm guessing just a huge dose of arrogance/narcissism. Not what we need for a President.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
118. Agreed 100%
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:08 PM
Sep 2015

Her sense of entitlement is positively Bushian. But then again Little Boots does think of her as "a sister-in-law." As if that alone shouldn't disqualify her from the WH.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. Wow. I am not a fan of Hillary,
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:44 PM
Sep 2015

but this sort of behavior is pathetic.

I'm beginning to think she'll be out of the race a lot sooner than later. Unlike 2008, I'm beginning to think that if she loses Iowa and New Hampshire, and the polling for whatever states come up next, she'll be gone. No PUMAs this time.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
31. Death by a thousand self inflicted wounds
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:03 AM
Sep 2015

If she can't run a campaign, how could she possibly run a country?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. Maybe 8. I heard something about her asking Kanye to hold off his 2016 run to 2020, so she can
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:56 AM
Sep 2015

run for a second term. Hahahaha. Very funny joke---unless she means it.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
88. I don't know, it is hard to imagine someone with her ambitions ever giving up
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:13 AM
Sep 2015

Even after Obama had the nomination sewn up she was campaigning to try to win in '08. Hopefully she'll plummet so badly she has no choice this time.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
105. There's no way she concedes until some one else.....
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 10:38 AM
Sep 2015

has ready won the nomination. Not close, not likely to, they will have to have enough votes on hand or else she continues to run.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
124. She's going to lean heavily on those Super Delegates..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:32 PM
Sep 2015

no way she goes quietly into the night.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. No! She canceled it because it was going to be too awesome!!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:56 PM
Sep 2015

It was going to be yuuge!

Oh wait...wrong candidate.

progressoid

(53,150 posts)
14. “We’re going to raise a significant amount of money.”
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:56 PM
Sep 2015

Well, that's the important thing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
67. Last minute cancellations are indeed spontaneous. The plan is working! Kudos to the campaign team!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:59 AM
Sep 2015

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
22. I get the sense that Hillary is getting worn out, is not up to the task.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:20 AM
Sep 2015

Running for president is hard work, it's exhausting. And it should be. It most definitely is not a coronation in return for years of public service.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
35. I don't think she wants a 2008 repeat.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:26 AM
Sep 2015

Hillary expected to win in 2008. She was inevitable until Obama and his amazing ground game gobsnacked her. That process, and ultimately losing, had to be taxing on the ego as well as physically and emotionally draining.

Again, she thought she had it in the bag for 2016. The Dem establishment made sure that she had no competition. They never, in their wildest dreams, predicted the Sanders surge.

She's doing worse now (against Sanders) than she was in 2007 against Obama. She's staring down the barrel of a hard-fought, tight battle. Most likely she will lose. The base and the heart of our party is with Sanders.

I imagine it's worse than we know. These campaigns conduct extensive polling. Sanders has all ready moved on to SC. He knows that Iowa and NH are in the bag.

Hillary hasn't done any large events/speeches in Iowa lately. Last I heard, she was meeting a small group of supporters behind closed doors. It's bizarre. In 2008, things were quite different with non-stop campaign events.






dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
89. I'm beginning to think she sees the writing on the wall and wants to bail out
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:19 AM
Sep 2015

But all her highly paid consultants are trying to keep their high paying gigs going as long as possible and they don't care what it's going to do to this woman's emotional well-being in the short-term and long-term.

I think she's on autopilot at this point.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
130. I've noticed that...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:44 AM
Sep 2015

…I've watched her appearances in our state. You described her perfectly, "on autopilot."

She seems resigned.

I think they're continuing to slowly bring Biden into the race. He's the Plan B. Each day, he does something that has him inching closer to a run. He's getting in to take her place, not to run along side her.

Schmice2

(20 posts)
25. I remember Eugene McCarthy when I think of Bernie.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:36 AM
Sep 2015

We ended up with Humphrey who narrowly lost to Nixon. Look what happened. I am really worried.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
28. How old were you in 1968? McCarthy would have lost to Nixon by a landslide.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

Humphrey did not lose. Kissinger cut a deal with Nixon to derail the Vietnam peace talks---throwing the election to Nixon by the slimmest margin, snagging himself a job as SOS and dooming us to 4 more years and two illegal incursions. McCarthy never had a chance of stopping any of that.

As for "ended up with Humphrey" read up on the Civil Rights Act the Voting Rights Act etc. We got those laws because Humphrey and LBJ worked like dogs rounding up Congressional support. Hubert Humphrey was a great man.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
33. "Kissinger cut a deal with Nixon to derail the Vietnam peace talks...."
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:14 AM
Sep 2015

That wasn't before '72 ???

I'm too tired to argue, but I think it was later.

G'Night !!!



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
116. Kissinger monkeywrenched LBJ's peace offer to the North Vietnamese.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
Sep 2015

By telling South Vietnam's Thieu he'd get a better deal from Nixon. At Nixon's order.

Historical Fact.

And the terms Nixon announced before the 1972 election were EXACTLY THE SAME as LBJ's original offer back in 1968.

hedda_foil

(16,984 posts)
38. Humphrey was a great man, but if they hadn't murdered Bobby, Nixon would have lost to him.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:35 AM
Sep 2015

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
84. I WAS there.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:06 AM
Sep 2015

If Bobby hadn't been murdered, he would have been President and we would be living in a different world today.

And it sure as fuck isn't 1968 and Senator Sanders sure as fuck isn't Eugene McCarthy.

Save your scare tactics for Camp Weathervane, informed people know better.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
68. Yeah, I do too,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:51 AM
Sep 2015

and the dynamics were much more complex than what you're making it out to be. I will give your simplistic "analysis" one similarity. In 1968, the Establishment Dems were in charge too and locked everyone else out of the process. The difference this time is that THE PEOPLE'S candidate is still conveniently alive. The reason the Democrats lost in '68 was that they were already bought and sold by the MIC, much like today's "Democrats" who are bought and sold by Wall Street. But we didn't have social media back then so, "it's a new dawn."

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
26. JFK was killed in Dallas. For all we know, the Secret Sevice pulled the plug on the appearance.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:41 AM
Sep 2015

This thread makes a mountain out of supposition and innuendo. Since lots of Texas women support her, I doubt that it was lack of interest that caused her to cancel her plans.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
43. She'd have canceled sooner but tried to arrange some face-saving "conflict"
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:57 AM
Sep 2015

of interest. Evidently, she's still scrambling to come up with something, since all the news reports have to tell us is that the conflict is "unspecified."

Exactly where and when was this canceled public appearance? Can anyone find that info for us? Bernie drew around 8,000 to his Dallas rally. https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-draws-thousands-to-texas-rallies/

How publicly humiliating, not to mention damaging to her campaign, should HRC only draw a fraction of that number. Plus, she'd have to pay for whatever venue was announced when the public rally was announced.

This has gone beyond pathetic - when (not if) she bails on the campaign, the least she can do is provide/fund grief counseling for her ardent supporters.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
113. There's ALWAYS time to collect
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 07:48 PM
Sep 2015

the bribes, err, campaign contributions, yeah, that's it, from the 1%. Always.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
60. That's some very impressive stretching you'r doing there.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:55 AM
Sep 2015

Really, you're going with attempting to use the Kennedy assassination to explain why Clinton canceled her public event? That's your go-to?

And yeah, there ARE lots of people who were likely interested in going to see her. And now, evidently, that's not going to happen. Unless they're big donors too, I suppose.

Kind of a big "fuck you" to those people, I think.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
83. Whew!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:06 AM
Sep 2015

That's one serious stretch of the imagination! Can't stop shaking my head over that one. Good lord have mercy!

Autumn

(48,952 posts)
104. Because JFK was killed there?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015
It really defines her that she canceled the event with the little people but the big donor breakfast is a go... in Dallas of all places.
 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
34. YAWN!!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:20 AM
Sep 2015

Hillary will be the next President!! Bernie and ALL of the GOP Clown Car candidates are un-electable.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
49. YAWNS & sleepiness may be signs of depression
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:31 AM
Sep 2015

Fatigue and somnolence are common symptoms of depression,

http://web4health.info/en/answers/soma-cfs-other.htm

Seriously, many of us have experienced the depression of being let down by politicians we've supported. My worst experience with that was Bill Clinton's presidency.

Hillary Clinton supporters have been taking one hit after another this week. It's gotta be tough.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
39. She's scrambling to raise every damn penny before dropping out.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:40 AM
Sep 2015

Now that it's increasingly apparent she'll be dropping out of the primary, all her emphasis is on grabbing all the bucks she can. Because once there is no possibility of her sitting in the Oval Office, all the foreign government, one percent, and corporate "donations" to the Clinton Family Foundation, not to mention the $250,000 per 40 minute speech fees, will come to a screeching halt. And with no influence to peddle, both Clintons' social standing/A List invitations will come to a similar halt.

So why spend her precious funds on public meeting venues? No return on investment there.

According to a report in Politico last June, the plan was for HRC and her supportive super PAC to raise "well over $1 billion over the next 17 months." (by end of 2015)

"The campaign alone (minus the SuperPac) says it is aiming to gather $100 million before the end of 2015.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/exclusive-hillary-clintons-jam-packed-fundraising-schedule-118562#ixzz3lsN8j91w

I have no doubt slick Bill is burning the midnight oil preparing for legal actions to grab control of the tens of millions raised by the SuperPAC. What happens to SuperPAC funds when the candidate drops out? Already a big legal issue for Rick Perry - coming soon to Camp Clinton.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. Her Ready For Hillary campaign
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:43 AM
Sep 2015

seems to be "Ready For Hill" ... doh.

Marge, help me, she's about to go off a cliff and take all of her PAC money with her!!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
41. Big deal. So she downsized her Dallas event schedule?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:47 AM
Sep 2015

This shows that she's frugal.
Thinking ahead, like a President of not only the USA but of the WORLD, ought to be. A conservationist.
And, you know, her campaign has all kinds of money so mark my words for sure you'll be hearing something very positive that comes out of this!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
120. Well, she evidently cut budget of her spinmeisters.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:16 PM
Sep 2015

The lame excuses are Hillarious.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
45. In Dallas for breakfast on 9/22; when was public event scheduled?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:15 AM
Sep 2015

Tuesday, September 22:

A Conversation with Hillary Rodham Clinton in support of Hillary for America -- Contribution levels: $1,000, $2,700 (includes picture with Hillary). To contribute or RSVP go to (blah, blah, blah): (Time [morning] to be determined, at the home of Marc and Wendy Stanley, Dallas, Address provided upon RSVP)

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs106/1100458853375/archive/1122251170393.html


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/ticketed-events/conversation-hillary-sep-22-1/?raiser=112322%20%28Time%20[morning]%20to%20be%20determined,%20at%20the%20home%20of%20Marc%20and%20Wendy%20Stanley,%20Dallas,%20Address%20provided%20upon%20RSVP%29

delrem

(9,688 posts)
54. If you can't pay to listen to Hillary,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:57 AM
Sep 2015

how can you be part of the new progressive left that she leads?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
52. All this negative bullshit. There's no sign whatever that Hillary has "plateaued".
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:50 AM
Sep 2015

However you want to extend the graphs, there's no way she's nearing a plateau.

So eat your hearts out!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
122. Damn it you just made me choke on my tea!!!!!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:30 PM
Sep 2015

You’re really MEAN to your subjects, aren’t you?

Buns_of_Fire

(19,148 posts)
74. Well, 150 Rich People here, 200 Rich People there, 75 Rich People there...
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:34 AM
Sep 2015

and before you know it, you'll have several hundred Rich People on your side! It's a groundswell, I tell ya! A superabundance of riches!

Dallas lawyer Marc Stanley is hosting Clinton for a fundraising breakfast. He expects 150 people to attend.

“The support has been terrific,” Stanley said. “We’re going to raise a significant amount of money.”


With all this money, I can't wait to see the upcoming commercials. I expect them to have production values at least on par with the best of Orson Welles and Steven Spielberg (given similar budgets), and to win three Academy Awards, minimum. (Meryl Streep as Hillary, Harrison Ford as Bill, Jar Jar Binks as Louie Gohmert, produced by George Lucas (of course).)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,951 posts)
76. You seem to be assuming that:
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:47 AM
Sep 2015

a.)Lots of people (outside of DU) take notice of this
b.)Lots of people (outside of DU) will be upset about this- everybody knows that politicians have to fundraise to get elected.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
126. Everybody knows that politicians have to actually appeal to voters to get elected..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:51 PM
Sep 2015

and that doesn't appear to be happening in this case.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,951 posts)
132. Nobody has cast any votes for anybody as of yet
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

So, we will wait and see. Acting as though HRC's campaign is doomed/over seems really premature at the moment.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
81. So what does "Big D Democrats" mean?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:59 AM
Sep 2015

She was going to meet, perhaps, with some notable Democratic Party members and now she's meeting with a fundraising group instead? Sounds like both meetings were pretty much the same if that's what "Big D" means.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

Buns_of_Fire

(19,148 posts)
90. Traditionally, "Big D" = Dallas.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:20 AM
Sep 2015

It's got a nicer ring to it than "the Metroplex" (which would include Ft. Worth).

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
97. Thanks. Still, meeting with 'Democrats' sounds less populist than meeting with voters.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:50 AM
Sep 2015

Too bad the article doesn't mention what event she canceled. That was the first question I asked myself. Seems a lot of assumptions are being made here.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
99. Why not it is the truth about what is going down
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

If the Clinton campaign does not want to be exposed for doing things like this then she need to stop doing the things that tend to make her not look so good

Her choice



xfundy

(5,105 posts)
129. She's a lousy public speaker.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:47 PM
Sep 2015

When she was in the South she tried to sound southern. Awful.

Still, if she gets the nom, I will vote for her. Lesser of evils, as usual.

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