2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAll Your Base Are Belong to Clinton
The Democratic Party umbrella is huge. The party welcomes people whom the GOP and the MSM dismiss as "fringe" ---even though taken altogether the "fringes" make up a larger part of the democracy than the so called "norms"--you know the white , male, heterosexual, not disabled non Muslims. There are many different sections of the Democratic Party base. Some people belong to more than one. Here is a summary of some of the most important (in terms of numbers and votes).
1. Unions. This should be numbers 1 through 3, but I will just limit it to one. So far, All Your Union Base Are Belong to Clinton. Except for National Nurses United, which has given its support to Sanders. In 2000, NNU supporter Nader over Gore. All the other unions that have declared so far ( including teachers, machinists, plumbers) have declared for Clinton. I am going to go out on a very short, very sturdy limb at this point and predict that if Sanders does not get some more union support, his chances of being the party nominee are close to zero. So, his number one job is win over the unions.
2. Women. Women vote for both parties. But women lean heavily Democratic while men are more evenly split. Making women an important part of the Democratic Base. All Your Female Base Are Belong to Clinton (and Will Always Belong to Clinton). Period. That is not to say that some women will not vote for Sanders. Some women will also vote for the GOP nominee. Some would vote for David Dukes if given the option. But if given a chance to vote for another woman, turnout of women will be higher and GOP women will cross over. Here lies the mathematical key to Clinton's victory. No man will be able to separate her from her base. No voter suppression will be able to suppress the enhanced turnout of giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun.
3. Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.
4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base. LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base. All Your LGBT Base Are Belong to Clinton, and Sanders would be advised to not even waste his time on this one.
5. Irish-Americans. Forgot about this one, didn't you? Irish-Americans are an important part of the base. Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland. Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008 because of the tradition of strong female leaders among the Irish-American Matriarchy. Sanders chance of peeling off the Irish vote? See number 4. All Your Irish-American Base Are Belong to Clinton.
6. Latinos. With Julian Castro rumored to be on board, All Your Latino Base Are Belong to Clinton. Sanders had better pick himself a Latino running mate pronto if he plans to compete for this demographic. Or better yet, suddenly discover that one of his parents is Hispanic.
7. Young people. Not a chance anyone young and hip will be caught campaigning for an old woman who wears pant suits. This portion of the base belongs to Sanders---unless someone younger and hipper shows up. All Your Youth Base Are Belong to Sanders (let's just hope they can be reminded to get out there and vote).
8. Jewish DemocratsHard to say. I am pretty sure that Jewish Democrats would like a Jewish president to make up for all those years of discrimination. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has shown a willingness to commit US ground troops in order to combat genocide. Bill was the one who vetoed sending troops to Rwanda, if it was up to Hillary we would have been there in Africa saving lives. And even if she did not actually dodge bullets in the Balkans stopping a genocide, she and her daughter were there on the ground showing their support for a mission that the GOP hated because it was not intended to prop up the price of oil, it was supposed to save lives. Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate. Never, Bernie? Not even to stop another Hitler? Proof that you have to be careful when creating your brand image. I am pretty sure that Sanders would have voted "Let's go kick Hilter's butt!" But he is already being labeled the "Peace Candidate" .....with no qualifiers.
If I left out any portion of the base I am sorry! It is late. For Sanders to have a chance, he needs to get the majority--not just an even split of the Unions----and he needs to snag the Latinos. Can he do it?
jfern
(5,204 posts)> 4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base
Hillary owns the people she opposed allowing to marry in early 2013. Makes perfect sense.
artislife
(9,497 posts)There is a lot of grace and forgiveness.
I am Latina so I am pretty graceless when it comes to that
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)I sense a massive distrust for her in the community. I think Sanders has a good chance of winning our demographic.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)that make up the entirety of our party's leadership.
And they're expecting an apology.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)kind of like their candidate of choice.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Astonishing.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)self identification. They do NOT do what the DNC tells them. They are more likely to do what Unions tell them---because so many of them belong to unions or to union families.
This is a fundamental difference between Dems and Pubs---GOP members attempt to lock step under the direction of their party leaders. They want to be good soldiers. When Republicans pretend to be Democrats, the try to convince Dems that there is ONE PURE PATH that all should be following, because it is the RIGHT PATH. Real Dems understand relativity--they know that there are as many different "rights" as there are perspectives. We juggle. We accommodate. We form alliances. But we always identify with our own groups. Unless you appeal to people based upon their self identification with their group, you will not win them.
And so, when some folks claim that there are Good Democrats and Bad Democrats, their dualism betrays them. They are thinking like Republicans. And, who thinks like a Republican? Someone who does not understand the give and take, the careful balance of the rainbow coalition. Someone who has not spent their life working within the Democratic Party.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)And THAT is what you see as the fundamental difference between Democrats & Republicans????
I would stop digging if I were you.
The Dem Leadership values Blanche Lincoln to ANY Union.
They have chosen NON-UNION towns for their last two conventions.
This is what the Democratic Party Leadership thinks of Organized LABOR:
The Arkansas Democratic Primary of 2010 was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.
[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]
We organized and supported Democratic Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln's Senate seat.
Halter was:
* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,
*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,
*had an Up & Running Political machine,
* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)
*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists
*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass
...and we were WINNING!
Guess what happened.
The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Wicked Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda who was actually campaigning at that time as the one who had killed the Public Option!!!
Adding insult to injury, the White House sent Bill Clinton back to Arkansas on a state-wide Campaign/Fund Raising Tour for Blanche,
focusing on the areas with high Black Populations, and bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.
For those of us who had worked hard to give President Obama Progressive Democrats who would work with him, it was especially difficult to watch his smiling Oval Office Endorsement for DINO Blanche Lincoln which played 24/7 on Arkansas TV the week before the runoff Primary election.
White House steps in to rescue Lincolns Primary Campaign in Arkansas
* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.
*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.
*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just dont have the votes for.
<snip>
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.
Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
After the White House and Party Leadership had spent a truck full of money torpedoing the Primary challenge of a Pro-LABOR Democrat for Lincoln's Senate seat, the Party support for Lincoln evaporated for the General Election, and as EVERYBODY had predicted, Lincoln lost badly giving that Senate seat to a Republican virtually uncontested in the General Election.
Don't you find it "interesting" that the Party Establishment and conservative Power Brokers would spend all that money in a Democratic Primary to make sure that their candidate won, and then leave Their Winner dangling without support in the General Election?
Many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it, and it was difficult to argue with them.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR & The Grass Roots from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.
When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the only answer was ridicule and insults.
Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-
So what did the White House gain by Beating Down Labor and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults.
To date, the White House has refused to answer our questions,
or issue an apology for their taunts and ridicule of Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and proof positive is the DNC not holding more debates. *BOOM*.
frylock
(34,825 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)What with that "Hillary owns LGBT" stuff.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Well, New Hampshire is going Sanders in 2016.
See, it's shit like this talk of being owned that makes my Irish ass even less inclined to consider Clinton.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Is so fucking laughable is absurd. Firstly Hillary's claim was dismissed by key officials but it's not only being reasserted but also retooled as "she brought peace" by herself is offensive.
I'm a first generation American on my Irish-born mother's side. No one in my gigantic family support Hillary, so I guess I'll have to send everyone an email that we all need to get off the Sanders (with a generous helping of O'Malley on the side) wagon and get with the anointed one.
The OP should realize how fucking offensive this whole "list" is (gay, black, Irish etc etc).
Hillary can kiss my pasty-white Irish ass.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)-If he wasn't as modest a person as he happens to be.
But here is a headline from 'The Guardian' (Jan. 2009): George Mitchell's patient diplomacy shepherded Northern Ireland to peace. Now for the Middle East...
Interview here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/jan/23/george-mitchell-interview
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)This is one of the more hideous OPs I've ever seen on DU. It's really not doing Hillary any favors.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That's a remarkably unfortunate turn of phrase.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)nt.
Casandia
(612 posts)"All your base are belong to us" is a broken English phrase found in the opening cutscene of the 1991 video game Zero Wing which became a popular Internet meme. The quote is included in the European version of the game, which features poorly translated English from the original Japanese version.[1]
The meme developed from this as the result of a GIF animation depicting the opening text[1] which was initially popularized on the Something Awful message forums.[2]
jkbRN
(850 posts)thanks for the clarification!
roscoeroscoe
(1,369 posts)I thought I was looking at a Meme Base mash-up
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Your post was interesting, but I think you might be making a mistake thinking of these groups as monolithic. Certainly a majority of women vote Democratic, but quite a few women will likely vote for Sanders. Clinton is running a pretty lackluster campaign, is going down in the polls, and is mired in the email scandal, which, no matter how baseless, is hurting her.
I also wouldn't think of unions as being monolithic either. It may be the leadership 'endorses' a candidate, but the rank and file vote for someone else. There has already been reported controversy between union members and union leaders where the leaders have endorsed Clinton and then faced virulent attacks from the rank and file for so doing.
I'm thinking we should wait until the debate, because that's when the numbers will begin to really move. Anderson Cooper and CNN are doing this debate, so hopefully....maybe....Anderson will come up with some good, issues oriented questions. That's where Bernie will hook viewers, because he is smart, thinks well on his feet and is very well versed on the issues that matter to most of us.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Apparently Bernie is getting in the way of the procession and it's upsetting the op.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and she figured if it was good enough for Napoleon, it's good enough for her.
But like Napoleon she will meet her Waterloo, and this time the opposing general's name is Sanders, not Wellington.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)When the Dauphin Charles VII, played by John Malkovich with an unfortunate bowl cut, goes to be anointed with holy oil and they realize the two hundred year old sacred bottle has run dry. His politically fierce mother, crazy Faye Dunaway, then pours in some olive oil to create a "miracle".
I may or may not have been drunk while viewing this at the time.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I swear there was a story that actually involved crisco, IIRC.
but Dunaway and Malkovitch- never saw that one, but damn... there's a recipe for some deeply dysfunctional family hijinks!
Prism
(5,815 posts)Milla Jovovich is an inspired choice as a crazy person (I think that was their goal. If not . . .)
But a clearly 50ish Malkovich plays a character easily written to be maybe a 14 year old Richard II.
It does not fit whatsoever, but is campy enjoyable.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That was how early Presidents signalled their choice of successor.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)the White House was like the front row at a Gallagher show, I tell you what.
Prairiegale
(13 posts)know that maybe should not order her dress for the inaugural coronation ball just yet.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)quite recall what happened so that she's not finishing up her second term right now, but who cares? She's inevitable now, yes?
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Really?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)She invented Greenpeace and personally directed the dismantling of the Berlin Wall.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Autumn
(44,762 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)ALL YOUR CEREAL BELONG TO CLINTON.
djean111
(14,255 posts)That is pretty demeaning and condescending. As a woman, I am "giddy" about Liz Warren. I am not giddy about a candidate who is a hawk, who not only voted for the Iraq war, but shilled it for Bush, sees no need to limit cluster bombs, and traveled the world pushing fracking and the TPP and other corporate trade agreements. Those things have hurt and will hurt everyone - women, children, men. Everyone. If you think that gender overrides any of those things, you are massively mistaken. You are proceeding as if "women" are the political equivalent to Stepford Wives. There is more to me, my intellect, and how I choose a candidate to support than my gender or my race or any other "base" you think I "belong" to.
Oh dear. Those people are enthralled with Bernie's IDEAS. They merely consider Hillary part of the Old Guard, and the Old Guard has not done them any good. The young people would have been fine with Liz Warren, too. That "younger and hipper" thing is another demeaning objectification. You really think the only reason they support Bernie is because they don't like Hillary and her pantsuits? That is a very child-like and numbingly simplistic view of things. Wow. Way to dismiss an entire group of people who are the future of this country.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Jesus Christ did you read this disgusting op before you posted it?
Minorities and women are not trophies to be "snagged" (your word) or taken for granted. They don't "belong" to anyone.
I suggest you delete before you offend anyone else.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)women who vote for Republicans or DAVID DUKE?!
Because that is exactly what you did in this post.
I don't know who you think you are, but this is the most sickening, insulting post I have ever read on here. If this is an example of how you think you can shame women into voting for Clinton, let THIS woman tell you that you are WRONG!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)A vote for Sanders is a vote for HITLER! is the message there.
Which is made doubly perverse, with Sen. Sanders' family history.
beac
(9,992 posts)Can't imagine most female Clinton voters think of themselves as "giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun".
sibelian
(7,804 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251551771
YOU BELONG TO US, ASSHOLES. WE BUY YOU, YOU OWE US, AND WE TELL YOU HOW IT WORKS. YOU ARE OUR PROPERTY AND YOUR VOTES ARE OWED TO US, THE GUYS WHO TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR. YOU WANNA LOSE, BUDDY? SURE, GO AHEAD, VOTE FOR THE FREAK.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)YOU OWE US.
YOU OWE US.
YOU. OWE. US
sibelian
(7,804 posts)What's the point of satire? WAAAIL, MOAN.
Oh well, at least I was right. Pyrrhic victory!
"GIVE US YR FUCKIN VOTES, ASSHOLES."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Most offensive fucking OP in years. We are property to be owned and/or we are all giddy about a fucking hawkish neocon who isn't sure if she's progressive or moderate.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Telling women and minorities we're owned by the Clintons is seriously fucked up.
xynthee
(477 posts)I want as many people as possible to see this silly shit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm glad no one alerted on this, it's one more example of how some HC supporters don't think she has to earn the votes of women and minorities.
neverforget
(9,434 posts)Not good enough! lol
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's disturbing that some HC supporters agree with the op but won't say why.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)grow stronger every day.
It beggars the imagination.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Some people in the world are very kind and very sensitive. They are fundamentally quite gentle and want things to be better for everyone.
But not all of these kindly people are actually strong enough to distinguish between being nice and doing the right thing, which are not the same.
Some times a kindly nature twists under pressure and a person can become quite treacherous.
A nasty thing to say, I know... but, sadly, it's true.
awake
(3,226 posts)This view is at the hart of Hillary's problem, this election is not for sale to the highest bidder, one needs to earn our trust and vote not buy it.
cali
(114,904 posts)Simply more open about it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We have to be or we'd never survive the winters.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I served on a jury this PM for an undeserved alert on a Cali post.
Unfortunately, 4 of the jury thought her post should be hidden.
It is campaign season. Cali said nothing that was even close to being offensive enough for a hide.
Now, the ABOVE should not only be hidden, but transferred over to FreeRepublic where it belongs.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)When plenty of Bernie supporters get hides for nothing while total crap like the OP stands.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Apparently the meme that only Clinton supporters were on time out has now been disproven.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Jesus Christ.
Do you know what's really revolting about this, that paragraph really stands out from the rest of them.
"Whut? Oh, uh yeah. Gay people, I guess. Them too, assholes."
Ino
(3,366 posts)You really shot yourself in the foot here.
ms liberty
(8,479 posts)Not this woman. I'd like to have a woman as POTUS, but not any woman, and not Hillary. Nice how you've managed to insult just about everyone in your post there, dude.
JI7
(89,182 posts)I think he would prefer Sanders over Clinton.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Such gross generalizations about people--one could go point by point but surely you know that Hillary is losing women rapidly. Did you write this like 2 months ago and just got around to posting it now?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)FUCK THAT.
I stopped reading there. Way to drum up support.
Time to put you on ignore. Bu bye.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I hope you didn't already buy a ticket for the coronation.
Broward
(1,976 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And rightfully so, since she will lose on every substantive policy discussion.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)You're better than this, McCamy. Recommend you self-delete.
cali
(114,904 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)There is a small cluster of folks for whom I suspect the shit-losing, if she doesn't get it, will be positively epic. Monumental.
Truly .... something to behold.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Perhaps like this:
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)I am also deeply offended by this.
Prism
(5,815 posts)LGBTers are fairly split on Sanders/Clinton in my online and offline experience. (Although, what on earth. Do you think we all sit around talking about how we think Hillary is a lesbian? I know the right-wing does, but . . . wha?) I fully expect much of the LGBT Establishment to come down on Clinton's side, but as we observed during Obama's first term, what the Establishment thinks isn't much in tune with what the actual community thinks.
Irish-Americans don't give a crap about Northern Ireland. This one is just plain goofy. Outside of glancing at ancestry.com once in awhile to figure out what county we may or may not have come from, I have almost never heard an Irish-American discussing Irish politics to any degree. I was raised Irish Catholic in Chicago, and I'm sorry, but this is pure fantasy to believe anyone anywhere is thinking in this manner. Hell, most Irish-Americans barely think about what their church says these days, and you think they're walking around keeping a 90s political process in the forefront of their decision making?
This OP is so very strange . . .
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)" but this is pure fantasy to believe anyone anywhere is thinking in this manner."
But I guess a lot of it may also depend on how many generations apart from Erin you are, if you had family in the Republic that fought for independence (for instance my Gr-Grandpa and his 6 brothers were Republicans and 2 were involved in the uprising of 16), if you spent ANY TIME AT ALL in the Free State or Northern Ireland during the Troubles, and if you have friends and/or relations in Derry, Belfast etc. I think it also matters a wee bit more if you are closely associated with a thriving Irish community (as in immigrants) as a lot of us are in NY, Boston and SF.
I, my family, and an awful lot of Irish Americans that care deeply about Northern Ireland and will care until the two-halves are rejoined.
ETA - I should add that Im first gen, spent my summers in Ireland as a kid (77-83), have lots of family in Ireland and quite a few friends who came here from Derry. My brother is also your typical bagpipe playing Irish American cop and I can tell you all the guys he plays with are rabidly Irish and care a lot about it as well. If you ever see a bumper sticker that says 26+6=1...those would be the anyones youre referring to.
Sorry to blather, but I wanted correct the record
bvar22
(39,909 posts)then you would KNOW that Hillary's claim of Bringing Peace to Ireland is pure fantasy,
like dodging all those bullets in Tuzla.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)The post I was replying to said s/he thought it was pure fantasy that Ireland was on the mind of any Irish Americans. Couldnt let that one go!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Actually, it is to LOL that anybody would dare to post something as tone deaf as this.
demmiblue
(36,751 posts)This:
Or this:
Or this:
Or this:
Or this:
Or this:
The OP probably thought it would be this:
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)An endorsement however doesn't equal votes, especially when union members are for the other candidate.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18307/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-unions-afl-cio
As Bloomberg labor reporter Josh Eidelson recently reported, there also exists a widespread dissatisfaction or distrust toward Clinton among AFL-CIO local and state leaders in the key early-primary state of Iowa over her promotion of the unpopular Trans-Pacific Partnership. The trade agreement is largely deemed by labor to be corporate-driven and has been likened to 1994s North American Free Trade Agreement for its potential to drive down wages and decimate jobs. Clinton has recently begun condemning the deal, but some doubt her new stance. Sanders, on the other hand, has consistently opposed the TPP, describing it and similar trade policies as a disaster for the American worker.
"Machinists Union Members Outraged Over Hillary Clinton Endorsement, Say They Want Bernie Sanders" --- http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18321/bernie_sanders_machinists1
Union Members Support Bernie Sanders--- http://freebeacon.com/politics/union-members-support-bernie-sanders/
The report said, due to her time spent with the employer-friendly Rose law firm (which helps employers fight unions), as well as her stint on the board of directors for Wal-Mart, many union members believe Clinton cannot be trusted.
So let me get this straight, people are supporting a candidate who fought against unions, served on the board at Walmart and did time as a Monsanto attorney? Seems legit. Progressive my ass.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)You mean like his vote to go into Afghanistan?
Geez, I've got several HillFans telling me Bernie is too much of hawk for his vote for Afghanistan and votes to actually fund the troops, (leading to the bizarre conclusion of "Bernie is a hawk, vote for...Hillary?" now you're telling me he is a perma-dove?
Seems like you HillFans need to coordinate your baseless attacks better, now you are just contradicting yourselves.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)And that's just for the disturbing multicolor pantsuit clones.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Just for maximum visibility so that all the people described in this post understand that Hillary owns you. This clarifies why Clinton is so hot for corporate donors...owning all these people must be damned expensive.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What about one of the six that recced?
xynthee
(477 posts)I wish I could rec the replies without reccing the OP. Should I unrec, lest I be mistaken as a Hillary supporter?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in 2008 (apart of a few more debates) you could say the same exact thing.
Just pointing history here.
And by the way bud, you get the prize for one of the most offensive OPs I have read in a LLOOONNNNGGGGG time, circa 2008 there were some like this near the end for her bid for the white house. I did not realize we were that close and we have not even held a vote YET.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-sharp-erosion-in-clinton-support-among-democratic-women/2015/09/14/6406e2a0-58c3-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)or something.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Prairiegale
(13 posts)''The doubts many female voters now have about Clinton and the deep reserves of loyalty she maintains among others came out in conversations over the past week with more than two dozen women in Ohio and New Hampshire
Those are states where Clinton had two of her biggest wins the last time she ran for the Democratic presidential nomination, in 2008. The double-digit advantage she held among women carried her to victory in both states.''
She did not draw much of a crowd at the Columbus Woman's Rally, and they cordoned off half of the event hall to gather the small crowd in and make it look bigger. I found that interesting.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Bernie and O'Malley are one and two ....
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The Democratic Party umbrella is huge. The party welcomes people whom the GOP and the MSM dismiss as "fringe" ---even though taken altogether the "fringes" make up a larger part of the democracy than the so called "norms"--you know the white , male, heterosexual, not disabled non Muslims. There are many different sections of the Democratic Party base. Some people belong to more than one. Here is a summary of some of the most important (in terms of numbers and votes).
1. Unions. This should be numbers 1 through 3, but I will just limit it to one. So far, All Your Union Base Are Belong to Clinton. Except for National Nurses United, which has given its support to Sanders. In 2000, NNU supporter Nader over Gore. All the other unions that have declared so far ( including teachers, machinists, plumbers) have declared for Clinton. I am going to go out on a very short, very sturdy limb at this point and predict that if Sanders does not get some more union support, his chances of being the party nominee are close to zero. So, his number one job is win over the unions.
2. Women. Women vote for both parties. But women lean heavily Democratic while men are more evenly split. Making women an important part of the Democratic Base. All Your Female Base Are Belong to Clinton (and Will Always Belong to Clinton). Period. That is not to say that some women will not vote for Sanders. Some women will also vote for the GOP nominee. Some would vote for David Dukes if given the option. But if given a chance to vote for another woman, turnout of women will be higher and GOP women will cross over. Here lies the mathematical key to Clinton's victory. No man will be able to separate her from her base. No voter suppression will be able to suppress the enhanced turnout of giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun.
3. Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.
4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base. LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base. All Your LGBT Base Are Belong to Clinton, and Sanders would be advised to not even waste his time on this one.
5. Irish-Americans. Forgot about this one, didn't you? Irish-Americans are an important part of the base. Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland. Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008 because of the tradition of strong female leaders among the Irish-American Matriarchy. Sanders chance of peeling off the Irish vote? See number 4. All Your Irish-American Base Are Belong to Clinton.
6. Latinos. With Julian Castro rumored to be on board, All Your Latino Base Are Belong to Clinton. Sanders had better pick himself a Latino running mate pronto if he plans to compete for this demographic. Or better yet, suddenly discover that one of his parents is Hispanic.
7. Young people. Not a chance anyone young and hip will be caught campaigning for an old woman who wears pant suits. This portion of the base belongs to Sanders---unless someone younger and hipper shows up. All Your Youth Base Are Belong to Sanders (let's just hope they can be reminded to get out there and vote).
8. Jewish DemocratsHard to say. I am pretty sure that Jewish Democrats would like a Jewish president to make up for all those years of discrimination. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has shown a willingness to commit US ground troops in order to combat genocide. Bill was the one who vetoed sending troops to Rwanda, if it was up to Hillary we would have been there in Africa saving lives. And even if she did not actually dodge bullets in the Balkans stopping a genocide, she and her daughter were there on the ground showing their support for a mission that the GOP hated because it was not intended to prop up the price of oil, it was supposed to save lives. Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate. Never, Bernie? Not even to stop another Hitler? Proof that you have to be careful when creating your brand image. I am pretty sure that Sanders would have voted "Let's go kick Hilter's butt!" But he is already being labeled the "Peace Candidate" .....with no qualifiers.
If I left out any portion of the base I am sorry! It is late. For Sanders to have a chance, he needs to get the majority--not just an even split of the Unions----and he needs to snag the Latinos. Can he do it?
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)When did you last hear? 1996?
cali
(114,904 posts)the bizarre shit about the gay and lesbian community believing she's a lesbian, takes the cake. That's a riff on shock, hateful repuke meme, McCamy.
The op is a real piece of... work. You should be ashamed.
MoveIt
(399 posts)"For great justice."
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)please please please, you have found a candidate for Duzy of the year.
I really hope this is a fake McCamy, because the person who I had respect for, (even though i argued) would have rightfully pilloried on OP like this a year ago.
Hillary's worst enemies will be her supporters, and this OP is a fine fine example.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)support in GD: P yet?
Sure feels that way
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Some of my VERY favorite people recced this thread, so I had to check it out.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Her Tenure on Walmarts board of directors while it was activley fighting unions and importing more and more products from China show that Hilary is willing to stand up for the 1%.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Especially the G and the T, the L is a bit more Hillary prone but no one is owing anything.
I'm sick of the entitled fucking attitude of straight people around here. Get over yourselves.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in DU history, for all the reasons listed above, and I've been here for ten-plus years.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)who can forget that flick?
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Honest to Jeebus, this post made me think of that guy who always posted he was owed beer and travel money, as it made about as much sense as he did, but it was a much longer post.
Of course, b&tm guy never accused my lady parts of being giddy, but maybe he was tombstoned before he had the chance?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary by 143 current Congressional members.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)As I mention in a post up stream, Democrats do not follow the DNC, they do not lock step. For people to claim that the DNC is forcing Clinton down party member's throats is absurd. Unions have that kind of clout---not the DNC. The way to appeal to Dems is the same way that one conducts a successful public health education campaign---by appealing to voters' self identity, and showing them what you have to offer members of the group with whom they identify. The so called Social Cognitive Theory of health behavior applies to voting behavior as well.
Seems like a lot of self styled Sanders supporters are attempting to win hearts and minds with a variation of the old Health Belief model. If you tell people what is good for them, they will do it. It does not work with smoking cessation and it does not work with winning over voters.
People will only listen to your message if they think it is specially tailored to them. They will only follow your suggestion (vote for my candidate) if you convince them that there is something in it for them, that your candidate will make their group stronger. There are, of course, many other ways to slice and dice the Democratic Party, but I believe I have listed the main ones. Sanders could well win over people who identify as low wage workers----but if their identity with other groups such as women or as Blacks supersedes their identity as low wage workers, he will miss his target. Oh, he will pick up the rare voter who votes based upon issues. But this is America where the majority of people distrust what the "experts" tell them and make decisions made upon their instinct. There is a reason why campaigns like "A Leader for a Change" (Carter) and "Hope and Change" (Obama) and "Morning in America" (Reagan) work. Americans want candidates to appeal to their emotions. The believe their emotions.
Attempting to shame other Democrats---"How can you vote for an old DINO like that!"---will not change anyone's mind. It will just alienate the various members of the base. And if you add "You are a dupe! The 1% is forcing you to vote for that DINO!" they will walk away taking their vote with them.
But by all means, go on telling people who do not support your candidate that they are dupes of the 1% who are voting against their own self interest. Tell them that they should not vote based upon gender or race or religion or sexuality. See how far that gets you in the Democratic Primary.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Your last paragraph is interesting; go on telling people who do not support your party that they are dupes of the 1% who are voting against their own self interest. Tell them that they should not vote based upon gender or race or religion or sexuality.
Oddly enough we do that around here all the time, in fact I'd be surprised if you haven't written something like that on DU.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)and I think it is and was entirely appropriate for Black folks to support a Black Democratic president candidate, especially in light of the Bush DOJ's War Against Black Folks. Makes absolute sense---and, as Brother Malcolm predicted in the 1960s, by nominating a Black, the Dems were able to increase the turn out of an important section of their base, carrying the party to victory. Same will be true when we gather the courage to nominate a Latino. Pretty sure the first woman will do the same. Lots and lots of female reporters are going to be teary eyed in November 2016, making it another feel good moment for a country that does not often get to feel good about itself.
My concerns about Obama in 2008 were that (if you listened to what he said) he was NOT the uber-progressives the progressives thought he was. They were guilty of a little racial profiling of their own. Man is half African therefore he MUST be far left wing a la Angela Davis and Brother Malcolm. Made me wonder if these folks actually knew any Black people. Obama has done exactly what he said he would do, more of less. He is a middle of the road Democrat. Fine by me, but some folks think they got taken for a ride. They weren't. They saw and heard what they wanted to hear.
BTW, I have been delighted with Obama. He showed the ability to pull the base together before 2012, especially in the way we advocated for LGBT. A real Democrat.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The posters on DU I see eye to eye with the most didn't either, it was obvious to me that Obama was going to be center left at the very best.
I'm saying that most of us have written that Republicans vote against their own best interests, I'd be surprised if you haven't written something along those lines.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo, if you're comfortable with the status quo then she is your candidate, if the status quo is not to your liking then some other candidate is probably preferable.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world, the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The DNC certainly controls the Debate Schedule....and is rigging it in Hillary's favor.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Ethnic whites in general are going to be a big in-road for him, I think.
delrem
(9,688 posts)What candidate should us bigoted louts support?
By the way, I'm not only Irish extraction but I'm white! Very white!
So forget the fact that I'm a bigoted lout. Just consider it on the fact that I'm white.
Do you think your candidate has got me because I'm white, whether I'm a bigot or not?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Corporate America is afraid he could win the general. Therefore, he will receive the death by a 1000 ignores that poor Elizabeth and John received.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and yet you just skip all of our posts and speak only to those who you do not see as chattel. It reeks, your actions and your words reeks in unity.
You should be ashamed of this public display of profound prejudice.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Because someone just claimed Bernie's supporters feel a sense of entitlement.
jfern
(5,204 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The op is still lecturing supporters of other candidates.
yuiyoshida
(41,764 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Is this satire? Hope so.
Nobody belongs to anybody.
Earn this damn vote or lose it.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)She was "uncomfortable" with us for decades. She refused to support us until, literally the WEEK AFTER polls said that a majority of Americans support marriage equality.
Edit to add: And yes I'm aware the OP is satire!
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base.
Really?
There's a lot of straight people that believe that too.
The gall of this bullshit is stunningly unmitigated.
Why don't you go take your tired ass and go find some hard-working white Americans, mmmmkay?
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)They aren't perfect but I love em and I think Hillary will make a great first female president.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)And everyone knows that Oprah selects the Democratic nominee. If Sanders (or O'Malley) can snag the Oprah endorsement, the race is on! If Clinton gets it, the race is over.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)not.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And all your ugly graphic are belong to it!