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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:15 AM Sep 2015

All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton

The Democratic Party umbrella is huge. The party welcomes people whom the GOP and the MSM dismiss as "fringe" ---even though taken altogether the "fringes" make up a larger part of the democracy than the so called "norms"--you know the white , male, heterosexual, not disabled non Muslims. There are many different sections of the Democratic Party base. Some people belong to more than one. Here is a summary of some of the most important (in terms of numbers and votes).

1. Unions. This should be numbers 1 through 3, but I will just limit it to one. So far, All Your Union Base Are Belong to Clinton. Except for National Nurses United, which has given its support to Sanders. In 2000, NNU supporter Nader over Gore. All the other unions that have declared so far ( including teachers, machinists, plumbers) have declared for Clinton. I am going to go out on a very short, very sturdy limb at this point and predict that if Sanders does not get some more union support, his chances of being the party nominee are close to zero. So, his number one job is win over the unions.

2. Women. Women vote for both parties. But women lean heavily Democratic while men are more evenly split. Making women an important part of the Democratic Base. All Your Female Base Are Belong to Clinton (and Will Always Belong to Clinton). Period. That is not to say that some women will not vote for Sanders. Some women will also vote for the GOP nominee. Some would vote for David Dukes if given the option. But if given a chance to vote for another woman, turnout of women will be higher and GOP women will cross over. Here lies the mathematical key to Clinton's victory. No man will be able to separate her from her base. No voter suppression will be able to suppress the enhanced turnout of giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun.

3. Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.

4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base. LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base. All Your LGBT Base Are Belong to Clinton, and Sanders would be advised to not even waste his time on this one.

5. Irish-Americans. Forgot about this one, didn't you? Irish-Americans are an important part of the base. Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland. Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008 because of the tradition of strong female leaders among the Irish-American Matriarchy. Sanders chance of peeling off the Irish vote? See number 4. All Your Irish-American Base Are Belong to Clinton.

6. Latinos. With Julian Castro rumored to be on board, All Your Latino Base Are Belong to Clinton. Sanders had better pick himself a Latino running mate pronto if he plans to compete for this demographic. Or better yet, suddenly discover that one of his parents is Hispanic.

7. Young people. Not a chance anyone young and hip will be caught campaigning for an old woman who wears pant suits. This portion of the base belongs to Sanders---unless someone younger and hipper shows up. All Your Youth Base Are Belong to Sanders (let's just hope they can be reminded to get out there and vote).

8. Jewish DemocratsHard to say. I am pretty sure that Jewish Democrats would like a Jewish president to make up for all those years of discrimination. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has shown a willingness to commit US ground troops in order to combat genocide. Bill was the one who vetoed sending troops to Rwanda, if it was up to Hillary we would have been there in Africa saving lives. And even if she did not actually dodge bullets in the Balkans stopping a genocide, she and her daughter were there on the ground showing their support for a mission that the GOP hated because it was not intended to prop up the price of oil, it was supposed to save lives. Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate. Never, Bernie? Not even to stop another Hitler? Proof that you have to be careful when creating your brand image. I am pretty sure that Sanders would have voted "Let's go kick Hilter's butt!" But he is already being labeled the "Peace Candidate" .....with no qualifiers.

If I left out any portion of the base I am sorry! It is late. For Sanders to have a chance, he needs to get the majority--not just an even split of the Unions----and he needs to snag the Latinos. Can he do it?





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All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton (Original Post) McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 OP
Well there you have it jfern Sep 2015 #1
And the people she and a host of others dog whistled in 2008? artislife Sep 2015 #64
Agreed. I can't imagine the progenitor of this list is LGBT LoveIsNow Sep 2015 #81
You forgot Jamie, Lloyd, and the Neoliberals MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #2
Base. Not leadership. Dems do NOT follow orders. This is NOT the GOP. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #3
But we are property..... daleanime Sep 2015 #5
Your OP is asserting that yes, we do follow orders. Which one is it? Nt dorkzilla Sep 2015 #38
They really don't think these things through.. frylock Sep 2015 #82
Yeah no freakin’ kidding dorkzilla Sep 2015 #89
Dems identify with certain groups. They form powerful voting blocks based upon their McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #113
The Democrats do what the UNIONS tell them? bvar22 Sep 2015 #140
Dems follow orders pinebox Sep 2015 #47
Hillary did state that she will go wherever the DNC tells her. frylock Sep 2015 #83
You mean like the orders you are giving? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #58
Sounds a lot to me like you secretly think they SHOULD follow orders, though. sibelian Sep 2015 #90
"Support For Clinton Drops Among Female Voters" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #4
"Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland." - She did what now? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #6
The fact she said she helped bring peace to Northern Ireland and the OP credits her alone dorkzilla Sep 2015 #35
George Mitchell would have something to say about that. PotatoChip Sep 2015 #65
This Irish woman agrees with you Oilwellian Sep 2015 #100
Blacks belong to Hillary? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #7
Expected, from a tone deaf candidate. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #16
I've missed your droll wit, friend. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #62
I'm black, and support Bernie, but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. JRLeft Sep 2015 #71
Your title doesn't make sense.. jkbRN Sep 2015 #8
This is a variation of a meme - it's actually a clever title! Casandia Sep 2015 #20
What I derp moment for me, jkbRN Sep 2015 #70
Right roscoeroscoe Sep 2015 #80
'Giddy women...ready to have their moment in the sun???' PatrickforO Sep 2015 #9
Hillary is "Obama's anointed successor"? Was there a ceremony? With actual oil? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #10
She's talking about the coronation. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #32
Well, Napoleon crowned himself Emperor of the French, hifiguy Sep 2015 #85
Her Let Them Eat Cake moments are going to sink her too. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #86
I'm reminded of that scene in the Messenger Prism Sep 2015 #46
it reminds me of John Ashcroft. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #63
The whole movie is entertainingly bizarre Prism Sep 2015 #69
Ironically that's what the SecState appointment used to be Recursion Sep 2015 #119
I hear Jackson and Grant appointed people by spitting chaw at them Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #120
I did let Debbie Wasserman Schultz Prairiegale Sep 2015 #125
YES! She was inevitable in 2008, although I can't SheilaT Sep 2015 #11
"Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland" TubbersUK Sep 2015 #12
Under fire, no less. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #17
"A vote for Sanders is a boat to Barbados!" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #19
She wrote the "Internationale", bro. sibelian Sep 2015 #28
But does she know why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #30
She fucking invented cinnamon toast crunch! Autumn Sep 2015 #54
Not only did she invent it SHE OWNS ALL THE CEREAL! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #91
"giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun. "? Really? djean111 Sep 2015 #13
Seriously? Claiming that minorities "belong" to Hillary? That's not offensive at all. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #14
HOW DARE YOU compare women who vote for Sanders to CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #15
Nice bit of Holocaust exploitation at the end, too Scootaloo Sep 2015 #18
Even the women that are voting for Hillary get insulted in the OP. beac Sep 2015 #97
CALLED IT - sibelian Sep 2015 #21
Yes, you did. Apparently the op got the memo: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #22
Now they're just outright SAYING it. sibelian Sep 2015 #25
Because a vote for Bernie is a vote for Hitler! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #26
Hitler/Duke 2016! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #37
It'll be interesting to see who recs this offensive garbage. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #39
Hey, I recced it because of the responses!! xynthee Sep 2015 #66
The responses are the highlight. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #75
says a lot that no one is defending this tripe but they are reccing it! neverforget Sep 2015 #103
I would be embarrassed to rec a thread that said Bernie "owned" minorities. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #104
The resemblances to one Tricky Dick Nixon hifiguy Sep 2015 #94
I have an unfortunate observation to make. sibelian Sep 2015 #121
I am not owned nor can I be bought awake Sep 2015 #23
you are representative of the campaign. cali Sep 2015 #24
cali's back! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #27
Woohoo indeed! hifiguy Sep 2015 #107
Vermonters are a tough lot. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #108
Cali is also being Alert Stalked. bvar22 Sep 2015 #134
Cross-post this in this thread hifiguy Sep 2015 #135
Funny how it's always the Hillary supporters playing the victim card jfern Sep 2015 #138
Yes! Autumn Sep 2015 #55
Welcome back Cali davidpdx Sep 2015 #56
good to see you back AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #78
"LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary *owned* this portion of the base" sibelian Sep 2015 #29
So female Clinton supporters are "giddy women"? Ino Sep 2015 #31
Women are giddy to vote for Hillary? ms liberty Sep 2015 #33
She is NOT Obama's anointed successor . If it was up to Obama JI7 Sep 2015 #34
What a heaping pile of hokum dorkzilla Sep 2015 #36
Belong to? 99Forever Sep 2015 #40
Sorry, but the Emperess has no crown Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #41
Do the candidates' positions on the issues play any role? Broward Sep 2015 #42
Exactly right. Talking about policies is verboten LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #52
Of course not. It's her turn. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #60
This is one of the most offensive OPs I've read on DU, ever. Scuba Sep 2015 #43
the op specializes in posts like the op cali Sep 2015 #48
I think odds are still fairly decent that Clinton will be the nominee. That said Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #88
It is gonna be something. hifiguy Sep 2015 #95
Thank you! Hatchling Sep 2015 #87
4 and 5 are just frickin weird Prism Sep 2015 #44
I respectfully disagree dorkzilla Sep 2015 #93
If you spent any time at all in Ireland, bvar22 Sep 2015 #136
Abso-fucking-lutely! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #137
Don't nobody alert on this OP - leave it so the world can see how offensive it is tularetom Sep 2015 #45
Lol... I don't know what to think! demmiblue Sep 2015 #57
i'm partial to this hifiguy Sep 2015 #96
True, this should kill the argument that Sanders supporters are tone deaf jfern Sep 2015 #77
Unions pinebox Sep 2015 #49
"Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate." LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #50
Not sure if I should go with eww, yuck, or ick whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #51
I don't mind kicking this crap thread demwing Sep 2015 #53
I think the base has different ideas Fawke Em Sep 2015 #59
What's up, McCamy? Not gonna pipe up on your own thread? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #61
K & R for all the brilliant responses (not the OP) xynthee Sep 2015 #67
My calendar reads Sep 18... at this stage of the game nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #68
She had a 29-pt drop in support from Democratic women in 8 weeks. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #72
they're so "giddy" over Hillary, they completely forgot that they support her! Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #98
... or something AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #114
Not drawing large crowds Prairiegale Sep 2015 #126
... azurnoir Sep 2015 #73
Not this Irish American. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #74
She is the last chance Democrat... Trajan Sep 2015 #76
I'm just going to copy-n-paste your post here so you can't hide from it later. jeff47 Sep 2015 #79
Wow. LoveIsNow Sep 2015 #84
there's so much in the op that's disgusting and offensive,but cali Sep 2015 #92
"You have no chance to survive make your time" MoveIt Sep 2015 #99
If anybody is doing the Duzy awards DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #101
Have we entered the "Stomp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue" phase of arguments for HRC Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #102
We're all confused, what's to lose? Bonobo Sep 2015 #131
You left out 1%ers Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #105
Straight people need to stop speaking for LGBT people. Most of my LGBT friends are Bernie supporters Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #106
This post is probably the most monumentally epic FAIL hifiguy Sep 2015 #109
That gif is unsettling Doctor_J Sep 2015 #110
I'm reminded of Michael Keaton in "Multiplicity" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #116
Is Hillary also owed beer and travel money? BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #111
Huummm, might be the reason she is ahead i the national polls and why current members have endorsed Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #112
Gotta say this again. The DNC does not control anything of importance. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #115
Self awareness is a good thing to have Fumesucker Sep 2015 #117
Don't think so. The main time this was an issue at DU was 2008 McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #123
I never thought Obama was an uber progressive Fumesucker Sep 2015 #128
The DNC does not control ANYTHING???!!!! bvar22 Sep 2015 #141
Come on... give O'Malley some chance with the Irish! Recursion Sep 2015 #118
But what about the really bigoted Irish louts, like me? delrem Sep 2015 #122
The MSM is shutting his out the way they did Edwards. He does not have a chance. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #124
I note you only respond to other Straight People. Many LGBT posters have objected to this filth Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #130
aaah that is why she or he ignores me!nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #147
This is sublimely subtle satire. Love it! elehhhhna Sep 2015 #127
Kick beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #129
They aren't concerned with facts jfern Sep 2015 #139
No kidding. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #142
This Asian-Pacific Islander has already made her choice. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #132
Drool-worthy n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #133
o/m/g Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #143
As an LGBTer I don't appreciate being told I'm owned by Hillary Clinton Fearless Sep 2015 #144
This is a truly insulting post but this... Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #145
As a Jewish Democrat, Hillary will do well Gothmog Sep 2015 #146
wait was this sarcasm? Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #148
I registered to vote because of Bill and Hillary Clinton moobu2 Oct 2015 #149
OMG! I forgot the most important base of all. Oprah! She is still up for grabs. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #150
Your logic and wisdom has convinced me. Time stop working on my Bern...... daleanime Oct 2015 #151
OMFG, the Thread That Wouldn't Die is baaaaack! tularetom Oct 2015 #152
Nice way to incorporate classic meme Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #153

jfern

(5,204 posts)
1. Well there you have it
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:16 AM
Sep 2015

> 4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base

Hillary owns the people she opposed allowing to marry in early 2013. Makes perfect sense.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
64. And the people she and a host of others dog whistled in 2008?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:33 AM
Sep 2015

There is a lot of grace and forgiveness.

I am Latina so I am pretty graceless when it comes to that

LoveIsNow

(356 posts)
81. Agreed. I can't imagine the progenitor of this list is LGBT
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Sep 2015

I sense a massive distrust for her in the community. I think Sanders has a good chance of winning our demographic.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. You forgot Jamie, Lloyd, and the Neoliberals
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:23 AM
Sep 2015

that make up the entirety of our party's leadership.

And they're expecting an apology.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
113. Dems identify with certain groups. They form powerful voting blocks based upon their
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:09 AM
Sep 2015

self identification. They do NOT do what the DNC tells them. They are more likely to do what Unions tell them---because so many of them belong to unions or to union families.

This is a fundamental difference between Dems and Pubs---GOP members attempt to lock step under the direction of their party leaders. They want to be good soldiers. When Republicans pretend to be Democrats, the try to convince Dems that there is ONE PURE PATH that all should be following, because it is the RIGHT PATH. Real Dems understand relativity--they know that there are as many different "rights" as there are perspectives. We juggle. We accommodate. We form alliances. But we always identify with our own groups. Unless you appeal to people based upon their self identification with their group, you will not win them.

And so, when some folks claim that there are Good Democrats and Bad Democrats, their dualism betrays them. They are thinking like Republicans. And, who thinks like a Republican? Someone who does not understand the give and take, the careful balance of the rainbow coalition. Someone who has not spent their life working within the Democratic Party.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
140. The Democrats do what the UNIONS tell them?
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:28 PM
Sep 2015

And THAT is what you see as the fundamental difference between Democrats & Republicans????

I would stop digging if I were you.
The Dem Leadership values Blanche Lincoln to ANY Union.
They have chosen NON-UNION towns for their last two conventions.


This is what the Democratic Party Leadership thinks of Organized LABOR:
The Arkansas Democratic Primary of 2010 was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.

[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]

We organized and supported Democratic Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln's Senate seat.
Halter was:

* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,

*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,

*had an Up & Running Political machine,

* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)

*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists

*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass

...and we were WINNING!

Guess what happened.

The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Wicked Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda who was actually campaigning at that time as the one who had killed the Public Option!!!

Adding insult to injury, the White House sent Bill Clinton back to Arkansas on a state-wide Campaign/Fund Raising Tour for Blanche,
focusing on the areas with high Black Populations, and bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.

For those of us who had worked hard to give President Obama Progressive Democrats who would work with him, it was especially difficult to watch his smiling Oval Office Endorsement for DINO Blanche Lincoln which played 24/7 on Arkansas TV the week before the runoff Primary election.

White House steps in to rescue Lincoln’s Primary Campaign in Arkansas

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.

* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.

*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.

*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.

Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


After the White House and Party Leadership had spent a truck full of money torpedoing the Primary challenge of a Pro-LABOR Democrat for Lincoln's Senate seat, the Party support for Lincoln evaporated for the General Election, and as EVERYBODY had predicted, Lincoln lost badly giving that Senate seat to a Republican virtually uncontested in the General Election.

Don't you find it "interesting" that the Party Establishment and conservative Power Brokers would spend all that money in a Democratic Primary to make sure that their candidate won, and then leave Their Winner dangling without support in the General Election?

Many Grass Roots Activists working for a better government concluded that the current Democratic Party Leadership preferred to GIVE this Senate Seat to a Big Business Republican rather than taking the risk that a Pro-LABOR Democrat might win it, and it was difficult to argue with them.
This was greatly reinforced by the Insults & Ridicule to LABOR & The Grass Roots from the White House after their Primary "victory" over Organized LABOR & the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they had chosen to throw their full support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the only answer was ridicule and insults.

Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-

So what did the White House gain by Beating Down Labor and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary?
We don't know.
The White House has never responded to our questions with an explanation, only insults.
To date, the White House has refused to answer our questions,
or issue an apology for their taunts and ridicule of Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots in the Arkansas Democratic Primary.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
90. Sounds a lot to me like you secretly think they SHOULD follow orders, though.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015

What with that "Hillary owns LGBT" stuff.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. "Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland." - She did what now?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:42 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillarys-adventures-abroad/
• Clinton’s activities "helped bring peace to Northern Ireland." Irish officials are divided as to how helpful Clinton’s actions were, and key players agree that she was not directly involved in any actual negotiations.


Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008 because of the tradition of strong female leaders among the Irish-American Matriarchy.


Well, New Hampshire is going Sanders in 2016.

Sanders chance of peeling off the Irish vote? See number 4. All Your Irish-American Base Are Belong to Clinton.


See, it's shit like this talk of being owned that makes my Irish ass even less inclined to consider Clinton.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
35. The fact she said she helped bring peace to Northern Ireland and the OP credits her alone
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:11 AM
Sep 2015

Is so fucking laughable is absurd. Firstly Hillary's claim was dismissed by key officials but it's not only being reasserted but also retooled as "she brought peace" by herself is offensive.

I'm a first generation American on my Irish-born mother's side. No one in my gigantic family support Hillary, so I guess I'll have to send everyone an email that we all need to get off the Sanders (with a generous helping of O'Malley on the side) wagon and get with the anointed one.

The OP should realize how fucking offensive this whole "list" is (gay, black, Irish etc etc).

Hillary can kiss my pasty-white Irish ass.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
65. George Mitchell would have something to say about that.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:00 PM
Sep 2015

-If he wasn't as modest a person as he happens to be.

But here is a headline from 'The Guardian' (Jan. 2009): George Mitchell's patient diplomacy shepherded Northern Ireland to peace. Now for the Middle East...

Interview here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/jan/23/george-mitchell-interview

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
100. This Irish woman agrees with you
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:42 PM
Sep 2015

This is one of the more hideous OPs I've ever seen on DU. It's really not doing Hillary any favors.

Casandia

(612 posts)
20. This is a variation of a meme - it's actually a clever title!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:55 AM
Sep 2015

"All your base are belong to us" is a broken English phrase found in the opening cutscene of the 1991 video game Zero Wing which became a popular Internet meme. The quote is included in the European version of the game, which features poorly translated English from the original Japanese version.[1]

The meme developed from this as the result of a GIF animation depicting the opening text[1] which was initially popularized on the Something Awful message forums.[2]

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
9. 'Giddy women...ready to have their moment in the sun???'
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:56 AM
Sep 2015

Your post was interesting, but I think you might be making a mistake thinking of these groups as monolithic. Certainly a majority of women vote Democratic, but quite a few women will likely vote for Sanders. Clinton is running a pretty lackluster campaign, is going down in the polls, and is mired in the email scandal, which, no matter how baseless, is hurting her.

I also wouldn't think of unions as being monolithic either. It may be the leadership 'endorses' a candidate, but the rank and file vote for someone else. There has already been reported controversy between union members and union leaders where the leaders have endorsed Clinton and then faced virulent attacks from the rank and file for so doing.

I'm thinking we should wait until the debate, because that's when the numbers will begin to really move. Anderson Cooper and CNN are doing this debate, so hopefully....maybe....Anderson will come up with some good, issues oriented questions. That's where Bernie will hook viewers, because he is smart, thinks well on his feet and is very well versed on the issues that matter to most of us.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. She's talking about the coronation.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:58 AM
Sep 2015

Apparently Bernie is getting in the way of the procession and it's upsetting the op.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
85. Well, Napoleon crowned himself Emperor of the French,
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:22 PM
Sep 2015

and she figured if it was good enough for Napoleon, it's good enough for her.

But like Napoleon she will meet her Waterloo, and this time the opposing general's name is Sanders, not Wellington.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
46. I'm reminded of that scene in the Messenger
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:20 AM
Sep 2015

When the Dauphin Charles VII, played by John Malkovich with an unfortunate bowl cut, goes to be anointed with holy oil and they realize the two hundred year old sacred bottle has run dry. His politically fierce mother, crazy Faye Dunaway, then pours in some olive oil to create a "miracle".

I may or may not have been drunk while viewing this at the time.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
63. it reminds me of John Ashcroft.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

I swear there was a story that actually involved crisco, IIRC.

but Dunaway and Malkovitch- never saw that one, but damn... there's a recipe for some deeply dysfunctional family hijinks!

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
69. The whole movie is entertainingly bizarre
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sep 2015

Milla Jovovich is an inspired choice as a crazy person (I think that was their goal. If not . . .)

But a clearly 50ish Malkovich plays a character easily written to be maybe a 14 year old Richard II.

It does not fit whatsoever, but is campy enjoyable.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
119. Ironically that's what the SecState appointment used to be
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:39 AM
Sep 2015

That was how early Presidents signalled their choice of successor.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
120. I hear Jackson and Grant appointed people by spitting chaw at them
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:49 AM
Sep 2015

the White House was like the front row at a Gallagher show, I tell you what.

 

Prairiegale

(13 posts)
125. I did let Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:25 AM
Sep 2015

know that maybe should not order her dress for the inaugural coronation ball just yet.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
11. YES! She was inevitable in 2008, although I can't
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:58 AM
Sep 2015

quite recall what happened so that she's not finishing up her second term right now, but who cares? She's inevitable now, yes?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
28. She wrote the "Internationale", bro.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:45 AM
Sep 2015

She invented Greenpeace and personally directed the dismantling of the Berlin Wall.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
13. "giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun. "? Really?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:58 AM
Sep 2015

That is pretty demeaning and condescending. As a woman, I am "giddy" about Liz Warren. I am not giddy about a candidate who is a hawk, who not only voted for the Iraq war, but shilled it for Bush, sees no need to limit cluster bombs, and traveled the world pushing fracking and the TPP and other corporate trade agreements. Those things have hurt and will hurt everyone - women, children, men. Everyone. If you think that gender overrides any of those things, you are massively mistaken. You are proceeding as if "women" are the political equivalent to Stepford Wives. There is more to me, my intellect, and how I choose a candidate to support than my gender or my race or any other "base" you think I "belong" to.

7. Young people. Not a chance anyone young and hip will be caught campaigning for an old woman who wears pant suits. This portion of the base belongs to Sanders---unless someone younger and hipper shows up. All Your Youth Base Are Belong to Sanders (let's just hope they can be reminded to get out there and vote).

Oh dear. Those people are enthralled with Bernie's IDEAS. They merely consider Hillary part of the Old Guard, and the Old Guard has not done them any good. The young people would have been fine with Liz Warren, too. That "younger and hipper" thing is another demeaning objectification. You really think the only reason they support Bernie is because they don't like Hillary and her pantsuits? That is a very child-like and numbingly simplistic view of things. Wow. Way to dismiss an entire group of people who are the future of this country.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Seriously? Claiming that minorities "belong" to Hillary? That's not offensive at all.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:12 AM
Sep 2015

Jesus Christ did you read this disgusting op before you posted it?

Minorities and women are not trophies to be "snagged" (your word) or taken for granted. They don't "belong" to anyone.

I suggest you delete before you offend anyone else.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
15. HOW DARE YOU compare women who vote for Sanders to
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:09 AM
Sep 2015

women who vote for Republicans or DAVID DUKE?!

Because that is exactly what you did in this post.

I don't know who you think you are, but this is the most sickening, insulting post I have ever read on here. If this is an example of how you think you can shame women into voting for Clinton, let THIS woman tell you that you are WRONG!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. Nice bit of Holocaust exploitation at the end, too
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:52 AM
Sep 2015

A vote for Sanders is a vote for HITLER! is the message there.

Which is made doubly perverse, with Sen. Sanders' family history.

beac

(9,992 posts)
97. Even the women that are voting for Hillary get insulted in the OP.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:43 PM
Sep 2015

Can't imagine most female Clinton voters think of themselves as "giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun".

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
21. CALLED IT -
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:13 AM
Sep 2015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251551771

YOU BELONG TO US, ASSHOLES. WE BUY YOU, YOU OWE US, AND WE TELL YOU HOW IT WORKS. YOU ARE OUR PROPERTY AND YOUR VOTES ARE OWED TO US, THE GUYS WHO TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR. YOU WANNA LOSE, BUDDY? SURE, GO AHEAD, VOTE FOR THE FREAK.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Yes, you did. Apparently the op got the memo:
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:17 AM
Sep 2015
IT'S NOT FAIR!!! IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!! WE'VE WORKED FOR THIS FOR DECADES!!! WE OWN THAT GODDAMN PRESIDENCY, AND YOU OWE IT TO US!!!

YOU OWE US.

YOU OWE US.

YOU. OWE. US

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
25. Now they're just outright SAYING it.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:41 AM
Sep 2015

What's the point of satire? WAAAIL, MOAN.

Oh well, at least I was right. Pyrrhic victory!

"GIVE US YR FUCKIN VOTES, ASSHOLES."

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
37. Hitler/Duke 2016!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:31 AM
Sep 2015

Most offensive fucking OP in years. We are property to be owned and/or we are all giddy about a fucking hawkish neocon who isn't sure if she's progressive or moderate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. It'll be interesting to see who recs this offensive garbage.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:35 AM
Sep 2015

Telling women and minorities we're owned by the Clintons is seriously fucked up.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. The responses are the highlight.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:43 PM
Sep 2015

I'm glad no one alerted on this, it's one more example of how some HC supporters don't think she has to earn the votes of women and minorities.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
104. I would be embarrassed to rec a thread that said Bernie "owned" minorities.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:28 PM
Sep 2015

It's disturbing that some HC supporters agree with the op but won't say why.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
94. The resemblances to one Tricky Dick Nixon
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:26 PM
Sep 2015

grow stronger every day.

It beggars the imagination.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
121. I have an unfortunate observation to make.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 07:03 AM
Sep 2015

Some people in the world are very kind and very sensitive. They are fundamentally quite gentle and want things to be better for everyone.

But not all of these kindly people are actually strong enough to distinguish between being nice and doing the right thing, which are not the same.

Some times a kindly nature twists under pressure and a person can become quite treacherous.

A nasty thing to say, I know... but, sadly, it's true.

awake

(3,226 posts)
23. I am not owned nor can I be bought
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:20 AM
Sep 2015

This view is at the hart of Hillary's problem, this election is not for sale to the highest bidder, one needs to earn our trust and vote not buy it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
134. Cali is also being Alert Stalked.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:41 PM
Sep 2015

I served on a jury this PM for an undeserved alert on a Cali post.
Unfortunately, 4 of the jury thought her post should be hidden.

It is campaign season. Cali said nothing that was even close to being offensive enough for a hide.

Now, the ABOVE should not only be hidden, but transferred over to FreeRepublic where it belongs.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
138. Funny how it's always the Hillary supporters playing the victim card
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:25 AM
Sep 2015

When plenty of Bernie supporters get hides for nothing while total crap like the OP stands.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
56. Welcome back Cali
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:12 AM
Sep 2015

Apparently the meme that only Clinton supporters were on time out has now been disproven.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
29. "LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary *owned* this portion of the base"
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:49 AM
Sep 2015

Jesus Christ.

Do you know what's really revolting about this, that paragraph really stands out from the rest of them.

"Whut? Oh, uh yeah. Gay people, I guess. Them too, assholes."

ms liberty

(8,479 posts)
33. Women are giddy to vote for Hillary?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:07 AM
Sep 2015

Not this woman. I'd like to have a woman as POTUS, but not any woman, and not Hillary. Nice how you've managed to insult just about everyone in your post there, dude.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
34. She is NOT Obama's anointed successor . If it was up to Obama
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:10 AM
Sep 2015

I think he would prefer Sanders over Clinton.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
36. What a heaping pile of hokum
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:18 AM
Sep 2015

Such gross generalizations about people--one could go point by point but surely you know that Hillary is losing women rapidly. Did you write this like 2 months ago and just got around to posting it now?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
40. Belong to?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:35 AM
Sep 2015

FUCK THAT.

I stopped reading there. Way to drum up support.

Time to put you on ignore. Bu bye.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
52. Exactly right. Talking about policies is verboten
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:46 AM
Sep 2015

And rightfully so, since she will lose on every substantive policy discussion.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
43. This is one of the most offensive OPs I've read on DU, ever.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:10 AM
Sep 2015

You're better than this, McCamy. Recommend you self-delete.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
88. I think odds are still fairly decent that Clinton will be the nominee. That said
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:44 PM
Sep 2015

There is a small cluster of folks for whom I suspect the shit-losing, if she doesn't get it, will be positively epic. Monumental.

Truly .... something to behold.


 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
44. 4 and 5 are just frickin weird
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:12 AM
Sep 2015

LGBTers are fairly split on Sanders/Clinton in my online and offline experience. (Although, what on earth. Do you think we all sit around talking about how we think Hillary is a lesbian? I know the right-wing does, but . . . wha?) I fully expect much of the LGBT Establishment to come down on Clinton's side, but as we observed during Obama's first term, what the Establishment thinks isn't much in tune with what the actual community thinks.

Irish-Americans don't give a crap about Northern Ireland. This one is just plain goofy. Outside of glancing at ancestry.com once in awhile to figure out what county we may or may not have come from, I have almost never heard an Irish-American discussing Irish politics to any degree. I was raised Irish Catholic in Chicago, and I'm sorry, but this is pure fantasy to believe anyone anywhere is thinking in this manner. Hell, most Irish-Americans barely think about what their church says these days, and you think they're walking around keeping a 90s political process in the forefront of their decision making?

This OP is so very strange . . .

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
93. I respectfully disagree
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:15 PM
Sep 2015

" but this is pure fantasy to believe anyone anywhere is thinking in this manner."

But I guess a lot of it may also depend on how many generations apart from Erin you are, if you had family in the Republic that fought for independence (for instance my Gr-Grandpa and his 6 brothers were Republicans and 2 were involved in the uprising of ’16), if you spent ANY TIME AT ALL in the Free State or Northern Ireland during the Troubles, and if you have friends and/or relations in Derry, Belfast etc. I think it also matters a wee bit more if you are closely associated with a thriving Irish community (as in immigrants) as a lot of us are in NY, Boston and SF.

I, my family, and an awful lot of Irish Americans that care deeply about Northern Ireland and will care until the two-halves are rejoined.

ETA - I should add that I’m first gen, spent my summers in Ireland as a kid (’77-83), have lots of family in Ireland and quite a few friends who came here from Derry. My brother is also your typical bagpipe playing Irish American cop and I can tell you all the guys he plays with are rabidly Irish and care a lot about it as well. If you ever see a bumper sticker that says 26+6=1...those would be the ‘anyone’s you’re referring to.

Sorry to blather, but I wanted correct the record

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
136. If you spent any time at all in Ireland,
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:22 PM
Sep 2015

then you would KNOW that Hillary's claim of Bringing Peace to Ireland is pure fantasy,
like dodging all those bullets in Tuzla.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
137. Abso-fucking-lutely!
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:55 PM
Sep 2015

The post I was replying to said s/he thought it was pure fantasy that Ireland was on the mind of any Irish Americans. Couldn’t let that one go!

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
45. Don't nobody alert on this OP - leave it so the world can see how offensive it is
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:15 AM
Sep 2015

Actually, it is to LOL that anybody would dare to post something as tone deaf as this.

demmiblue

(36,751 posts)
57. Lol... I don't know what to think!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:13 AM
Sep 2015

This:


Or this:


Or this:


Or this:


Or this:


Or this:



The OP probably thought it would be this:



 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
49. Unions
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:36 AM
Sep 2015

An endorsement however doesn't equal votes, especially when union members are for the other candidate.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18307/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-unions-afl-cio

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has emerged as the most outspoken pro-labor candidate in the 2016 Democratic primary. With his introduction of federal $15 minimum wage legislation and his frequent targeting of Walmart’s Walton family in his stump speech, Sanders has his finger on the pulse of the some of the most vibrant and large-scale economic-justice movements in decades. That stands in stark contrast to the front runner, Hillary Clinton, who’s been mum on $15 and is a former Walmart board member.

As Bloomberg labor reporter Josh Eidelson recently reported, there also exists a widespread “dissatisfaction or distrust” toward Clinton among AFL-CIO local and state leaders in the key early-primary state of Iowa over her promotion of the unpopular Trans-Pacific Partnership. The trade agreement is largely deemed by labor to be corporate-driven and has been likened to 1994’s North American Free Trade Agreement for its potential to drive down wages and decimate jobs. Clinton has recently begun condemning the deal, but some doubt her new stance. Sanders, on the other hand, has consistently opposed the TPP, describing it and similar trade policies as a “disaster” for the American worker.


"Machinists Union Members Outraged Over Hillary Clinton Endorsement, Say They Want Bernie Sanders" --- http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18321/bernie_sanders_machinists1

“I cannot describe how disappointed I am with the IAM endorsing Hillary,” says Al Wagner, a journeyman auto technician and member of IAM Automotive Mechanics Local 701 in Chicago. “The IAM is a great union and I am very proud to be a member. But the leaders went about this endorsement the wrong way.”


Union Members Support Bernie Sanders--- http://freebeacon.com/politics/union-members-support-bernie-sanders/

Seventy-six percent of union members favor Bernie Sanders for president in 2016. Only 11 percent of union members favored Hillary Clinton.

The report said, “due to her time spent with the employer-friendly Rose law firm (which helps employers fight unions), as well as her stint on the board of directors for Wal-Mart, many union members believe Clinton cannot be trusted.”


So let me get this straight, people are supporting a candidate who fought against unions, served on the board at Walmart and did time as a Monsanto attorney? Seems legit. Progressive my ass.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
50. "Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate."
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:44 AM
Sep 2015

You mean like his vote to go into Afghanistan?

Geez, I've got several HillFans telling me Bernie is too much of hawk for his vote for Afghanistan and votes to actually fund the troops, (leading to the bizarre conclusion of "Bernie is a hawk, vote for...Hillary?&quot now you're telling me he is a perma-dove?

Seems like you HillFans need to coordinate your baseless attacks better, now you are just contradicting yourselves.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
51. Not sure if I should go with eww, yuck, or ick
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:44 AM
Sep 2015

And that's just for the disturbing multicolor pantsuit clones.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
53. I don't mind kicking this crap thread
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Just for maximum visibility so that all the people described in this post understand that Hillary owns you. This clarifies why Clinton is so hot for corporate donors...owning all these people must be damned expensive.

xynthee

(477 posts)
67. K & R for all the brilliant responses (not the OP)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:36 PM
Sep 2015

I wish I could rec the replies without reccing the OP. Should I unrec, lest I be mistaken as a Hillary supporter?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. My calendar reads Sep 18... at this stage of the game
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

in 2008 (apart of a few more debates) you could say the same exact thing.

Just pointing history here.

And by the way bud, you get the prize for one of the most offensive OPs I have read in a LLOOONNNNGGGGG time, circa 2008 there were some like this near the end for her bid for the white house. I did not realize we were that close and we have not even held a vote YET.

 

Prairiegale

(13 posts)
126. Not drawing large crowds
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 11:13 AM
Sep 2015

''The doubts many female voters now have about Clinton — and the deep reserves of loyalty she maintains among others — came out in conversations over the past week with more than two dozen women in Ohio and New Hampshire

Those are states where Clinton had two of her biggest wins the last time she ran for the Democratic presidential nomination, in 2008. The double-digit advantage she held among women carried her to victory in both states.''

She did not draw much of a crowd at the Columbus Woman's Rally, and they cordoned off half of the event hall to gather the small crowd in and make it look bigger. I found that interesting.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
79. I'm just going to copy-n-paste your post here so you can't hide from it later.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:52 PM
Sep 2015
All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton

The Democratic Party umbrella is huge. The party welcomes people whom the GOP and the MSM dismiss as "fringe" ---even though taken altogether the "fringes" make up a larger part of the democracy than the so called "norms"--you know the white , male, heterosexual, not disabled non Muslims. There are many different sections of the Democratic Party base. Some people belong to more than one. Here is a summary of some of the most important (in terms of numbers and votes).

1. Unions. This should be numbers 1 through 3, but I will just limit it to one. So far, All Your Union Base Are Belong to Clinton. Except for National Nurses United, which has given its support to Sanders. In 2000, NNU supporter Nader over Gore. All the other unions that have declared so far ( including teachers, machinists, plumbers) have declared for Clinton. I am going to go out on a very short, very sturdy limb at this point and predict that if Sanders does not get some more union support, his chances of being the party nominee are close to zero. So, his number one job is win over the unions.

2. Women. Women vote for both parties. But women lean heavily Democratic while men are more evenly split. Making women an important part of the Democratic Base. All Your Female Base Are Belong to Clinton (and Will Always Belong to Clinton). Period. That is not to say that some women will not vote for Sanders. Some women will also vote for the GOP nominee. Some would vote for David Dukes if given the option. But if given a chance to vote for another woman, turnout of women will be higher and GOP women will cross over. Here lies the mathematical key to Clinton's victory. No man will be able to separate her from her base. No voter suppression will be able to suppress the enhanced turnout of giddy women who are finally ready to have their day in the sun.

3. Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.

4. LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base. LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base. All Your LGBT Base Are Belong to Clinton, and Sanders would be advised to not even waste his time on this one.

5. Irish-Americans. Forgot about this one, didn't you? Irish-Americans are an important part of the base. Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland. Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008 because of the tradition of strong female leaders among the Irish-American Matriarchy. Sanders chance of peeling off the Irish vote? See number 4. All Your Irish-American Base Are Belong to Clinton.

6. Latinos. With Julian Castro rumored to be on board, All Your Latino Base Are Belong to Clinton. Sanders had better pick himself a Latino running mate pronto if he plans to compete for this demographic. Or better yet, suddenly discover that one of his parents is Hispanic.

7. Young people. Not a chance anyone young and hip will be caught campaigning for an old woman who wears pant suits. This portion of the base belongs to Sanders---unless someone younger and hipper shows up. All Your Youth Base Are Belong to Sanders (let's just hope they can be reminded to get out there and vote).

8. Jewish DemocratsHard to say. I am pretty sure that Jewish Democrats would like a Jewish president to make up for all those years of discrimination. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has shown a willingness to commit US ground troops in order to combat genocide. Bill was the one who vetoed sending troops to Rwanda, if it was up to Hillary we would have been there in Africa saving lives. And even if she did not actually dodge bullets in the Balkans stopping a genocide, she and her daughter were there on the ground showing their support for a mission that the GOP hated because it was not intended to prop up the price of oil, it was supposed to save lives. Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate. Never, Bernie? Not even to stop another Hitler? Proof that you have to be careful when creating your brand image. I am pretty sure that Sanders would have voted "Let's go kick Hilter's butt!" But he is already being labeled the "Peace Candidate" .....with no qualifiers.

If I left out any portion of the base I am sorry! It is late. For Sanders to have a chance, he needs to get the majority--not just an even split of the Unions----and he needs to snag the Latinos. Can he do it?
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
92. there's so much in the op that's disgusting and offensive,but
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:05 PM
Sep 2015

the bizarre shit about the gay and lesbian community believing she's a lesbian, takes the cake. That's a riff on shock, hateful repuke meme, McCamy.

The op is a real piece of... work. You should be ashamed.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
101. If anybody is doing the Duzy awards
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:09 PM
Sep 2015

please please please, you have found a candidate for Duzy of the year.

I really hope this is a fake McCamy, because the person who I had respect for, (even though i argued) would have rightfully pilloried on OP like this a year ago.

Hillary's worst enemies will be her supporters, and this OP is a fine fine example.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
102. Have we entered the "Stomp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue" phase of arguments for HRC
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:12 PM
Sep 2015

support in GD: P yet?

Sure feels that way

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
131. We're all confused, what's to lose?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:26 AM
Sep 2015

Some of my VERY favorite people recced this thread, so I had to check it out.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
105. You left out 1%ers
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:40 PM
Sep 2015

Her Tenure on Walmarts board of directors while it was activley fighting unions and importing more and more products from China show that Hilary is willing to stand up for the 1%.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
106. Straight people need to stop speaking for LGBT people. Most of my LGBT friends are Bernie supporters
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:57 PM
Sep 2015

Especially the G and the T, the L is a bit more Hillary prone but no one is owing anything.

I'm sick of the entitled fucking attitude of straight people around here. Get over yourselves.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
109. This post is probably the most monumentally epic FAIL
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:02 PM
Sep 2015

in DU history, for all the reasons listed above, and I've been here for ten-plus years.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
111. Is Hillary also owed beer and travel money?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
Sep 2015

Honest to Jeebus, this post made me think of that guy who always posted he was owed beer and travel money, as it made about as much sense as he did, but it was a much longer post.
Of course, b&tm guy never accused my lady parts of being giddy, but maybe he was tombstoned before he had the chance?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
112. Huummm, might be the reason she is ahead i the national polls and why current members have endorsed
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:19 PM
Sep 2015

Hillary by 143 current Congressional members.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
115. Gotta say this again. The DNC does not control anything of importance.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:46 AM
Sep 2015

As I mention in a post up stream, Democrats do not follow the DNC, they do not lock step. For people to claim that the DNC is forcing Clinton down party member's throats is absurd. Unions have that kind of clout---not the DNC. The way to appeal to Dems is the same way that one conducts a successful public health education campaign---by appealing to voters' self identity, and showing them what you have to offer members of the group with whom they identify. The so called Social Cognitive Theory of health behavior applies to voting behavior as well.

Seems like a lot of self styled Sanders supporters are attempting to win hearts and minds with a variation of the old Health Belief model. If you tell people what is good for them, they will do it. It does not work with smoking cessation and it does not work with winning over voters.

People will only listen to your message if they think it is specially tailored to them. They will only follow your suggestion (vote for my candidate) if you convince them that there is something in it for them, that your candidate will make their group stronger. There are, of course, many other ways to slice and dice the Democratic Party, but I believe I have listed the main ones. Sanders could well win over people who identify as low wage workers----but if their identity with other groups such as women or as Blacks supersedes their identity as low wage workers, he will miss his target. Oh, he will pick up the rare voter who votes based upon issues. But this is America where the majority of people distrust what the "experts" tell them and make decisions made upon their instinct. There is a reason why campaigns like "A Leader for a Change" (Carter) and "Hope and Change" (Obama) and "Morning in America" (Reagan) work. Americans want candidates to appeal to their emotions. The believe their emotions.

Attempting to shame other Democrats---"How can you vote for an old DINO like that!"---will not change anyone's mind. It will just alienate the various members of the base. And if you add "You are a dupe! The 1% is forcing you to vote for that DINO!" they will walk away taking their vote with them.

But by all means, go on telling people who do not support your candidate that they are dupes of the 1% who are voting against their own self interest. Tell them that they should not vote based upon gender or race or religion or sexuality. See how far that gets you in the Democratic Primary.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
117. Self awareness is a good thing to have
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:30 AM
Sep 2015

Your last paragraph is interesting; go on telling people who do not support your party that they are dupes of the 1% who are voting against their own self interest. Tell them that they should not vote based upon gender or race or religion or sexuality.

Oddly enough we do that around here all the time, in fact I'd be surprised if you haven't written something like that on DU.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
123. Don't think so. The main time this was an issue at DU was 2008
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:30 AM
Sep 2015

and I think it is and was entirely appropriate for Black folks to support a Black Democratic president candidate, especially in light of the Bush DOJ's War Against Black Folks. Makes absolute sense---and, as Brother Malcolm predicted in the 1960s, by nominating a Black, the Dems were able to increase the turn out of an important section of their base, carrying the party to victory. Same will be true when we gather the courage to nominate a Latino. Pretty sure the first woman will do the same. Lots and lots of female reporters are going to be teary eyed in November 2016, making it another feel good moment for a country that does not often get to feel good about itself.

My concerns about Obama in 2008 were that (if you listened to what he said) he was NOT the uber-progressives the progressives thought he was. They were guilty of a little racial profiling of their own. Man is half African therefore he MUST be far left wing a la Angela Davis and Brother Malcolm. Made me wonder if these folks actually knew any Black people. Obama has done exactly what he said he would do, more of less. He is a middle of the road Democrat. Fine by me, but some folks think they got taken for a ride. They weren't. They saw and heard what they wanted to hear.

BTW, I have been delighted with Obama. He showed the ability to pull the base together before 2012, especially in the way we advocated for LGBT. A real Democrat.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
128. I never thought Obama was an uber progressive
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:39 PM
Sep 2015

The posters on DU I see eye to eye with the most didn't either, it was obvious to me that Obama was going to be center left at the very best.

I'm saying that most of us have written that Republicans vote against their own best interests, I'd be surprised if you haven't written something along those lines.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo, if you're comfortable with the status quo then she is your candidate, if the status quo is not to your liking then some other candidate is probably preferable.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world, the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
141. The DNC does not control ANYTHING???!!!!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:05 PM
Sep 2015

The DNC certainly controls the Debate Schedule....and is rigging it in Hillary's favor.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
118. Come on... give O'Malley some chance with the Irish!
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:37 AM
Sep 2015

Ethnic whites in general are going to be a big in-road for him, I think.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
122. But what about the really bigoted Irish louts, like me?
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 07:16 AM
Sep 2015

What candidate should us bigoted louts support?
By the way, I'm not only Irish extraction but I'm white! Very white!
So forget the fact that I'm a bigoted lout. Just consider it on the fact that I'm white.
Do you think your candidate has got me because I'm white, whether I'm a bigot or not?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
124. The MSM is shutting his out the way they did Edwards. He does not have a chance.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:31 AM
Sep 2015

Corporate America is afraid he could win the general. Therefore, he will receive the death by a 1000 ignores that poor Elizabeth and John received.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
130. I note you only respond to other Straight People. Many LGBT posters have objected to this filth
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:02 AM
Sep 2015

and yet you just skip all of our posts and speak only to those who you do not see as chattel. It reeks, your actions and your words reeks in unity.
You should be ashamed of this public display of profound prejudice.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
144. As an LGBTer I don't appreciate being told I'm owned by Hillary Clinton
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:43 AM
Sep 2015

She was "uncomfortable" with us for decades. She refused to support us until, literally the WEEK AFTER polls said that a majority of Americans support marriage equality.

Edit to add: And yes I'm aware the OP is satire!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
145. This is a truly insulting post but this...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:57 AM
Sep 2015
LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base.


Really?

There's a lot of straight people that believe that too.

The gall of this bullshit is stunningly unmitigated.

Why don't you go take your tired ass and go find some hard-working white Americans, mmmmkay?

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
149. I registered to vote because of Bill and Hillary Clinton
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:16 AM
Oct 2015

They aren't perfect but I love em and I think Hillary will make a great first female president.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
150. OMG! I forgot the most important base of all. Oprah! She is still up for grabs.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

And everyone knows that Oprah selects the Democratic nominee. If Sanders (or O'Malley) can snag the Oprah endorsement, the race is on! If Clinton gets it, the race is over.

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