Post removed

[SonderWoman]

1. That "Great Society" sure did exclude lots of folks.

Find me one woman or minority that wants to return to those days.

[jfern]

4. The VRA provided more protection for minorities voting then

than now that the Supreme Court gutted it.

[leftofcool]

9. See post #6

[jfern]

11. The Great Society didn't exclude minorities, though

[leftofcool]

15. I didn't say they were totally excluded.

But, I think I don't want to go back to the days of lynchings, backroom abortions, no rights for women and I am about 99.9% sure you won't find a minority what would want to either.

[JDPriestly]

30. I agree that I don't want to return to those horrible things, but the "Grest Society" was about

Helping the poor and Medicare.

[leftofcool]

5. Not a fucking chance in hell.

If this is the way Bernie feels, there ain't a woman in this country that would vote for him. Can you imagine a president who wants to return to the days of the "Great Society?"

[artislife]

10. Really?

This reminds me of a soccer player flaying about the pitch after being tapped.

[leftofcool]

12. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

[artislife]

18. Back to the Clintons in the White House

Hello DADT!

No Marriage Equality!

Extra marital sex in the Oval Office!

No cookies baking!


Wah wah...

[JDPriestly]

31. My group of Bernie volunteers is mostly women.

[zeemike]

38. And find me one woman or minority that lived in the 50s or 60s

That does not think that things got significantly better.
I know because I lived in those times.

In 1968 I went to work in a manufacturing plant in a county that was 40% black and of the 700 people who worked there not one of them was black...except for the janitors who cleaned the office space...and not one woman except for the secretaries.
That all changed in the early 70s due to the great society and the civil right act.

[dflprincess]

39. The 1964 Civil Rights Act outlawed discrimination on the basis of gender

sure, it was tossed in by a bigot who thought it would weaken the bill. But it didn't and the Democrats and moderate Republicans passed it and LBJ signed it.

Progress was made.

[6chars]

2. Barely enough charisma to be Gallup's most admired woman

In
1993
1994
1997
1998
1999
2000
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
(2015 poll not out yet)

[Walk away]

24. Plus, I have met her and she is an incredibly warm and kind woman.

I have seen the tapes of Bernie debating Bachman. He just looks confused. This time he will be debating a brilliant woman who can speak to every issue and not just the same one over and over again.

[6chars]

25. Wow!

Was it a handshake type thing or did you have a chance to talk with her? Was she just like she seems on tv?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. RR=Ron Reagan Jr.

ER: Do you think Hillary’s got any charisma?
RR: She’s not without charisma. I’ve been in a room with her a couple of times. She’s bright and charming one-on-one, funny. She’s got charisma, she does. It’s not high wattage kind of charisma like her husband or my father, or Obama for that matter. But it’s there.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/reagan-sons-interview-donald-trump-213149#ixzz3m9JZMTxb

[JDPriestly]

33. Shedid not do well in the debates in 2008. I suggest everyone watch those videos

Especially the one about raising the cap on Social Security.

[Thespian2]

35. Are Rose-Coloured glasses expensive?

[1monster]

36. Well, to be honest, Bachman always confused the heck out of me too!

She isn't very coherent and when she is, ... Come to think of it, I can't think of a time when I heard her say anything that made sense at all.

[Nothingcleverjustray]

41. Bachman?

That wasn't a debate, that was Bachman screeching at Bernie like a fucking idiot. She wouldn't shut up. During a debate there are time limits. I watched it as well, she pummelled Bernie with her super stupidity powers. Or, is that how Hilary's gonna roll as well?

[leftofcool]

3. No thanks to the so called "Great Society"

No rights for women, no civil rights, backroom abortions. Not only no, but hell no!

[dflprincess]

40. The 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act both passed during

LBJ's "Great Society".

[Chitown Kev]

6. The New deal...hooo-boy

still looking for that anti-lynching legislation from President Roosevelt.

[leftofcool]

8. Do you ever wonder if people really understand the implications of their posts?

[jfern]

14. Come on

Does the fact that most states didn't have SSM at the time mean that no can long for the days of 2009 when Democrats had solid control of Congress and Obama was popular?

[leftofcool]

16. Not even close to the same thing.

[1monster]

34. Oh come on! You talk as though the New Deal the the Great Society were

responsible for the racism and sexism of those eras. The Great Society was working to do away with some of the inequities of the time. If women's rights were not at the top of the list, the advancements that have been made were in part made somewhat possible by those programs.

I wasn't alive for the New Deal, but I do remember the Great Society... It was working to better everyone's lives and part of the Great Society WAS voting rights. Women's rights as a movement only began to pick up steam during this time.

I remember, as a child, being told that my career choices were, preferably: Wife and mother; less preferably: teacher, nurse, secretary, or nun. If I was unfortunate, I could, if my family was in a bad way, also be a waitress or a cashier. That was the early sixties. By the end of the sixties, it was a whole different story.

We made great strides forward since then, but even now we are fighting the same battles. For every step forward we have made, there has been a strident, screaming backlash that has tried very hard to take us back. Racism and sexism hide under their rocks for a while until we think they are in their death throes and we relax. Then, like the venomous snakes they are, they raise their heads and strike again. And we have to battle them all over again.

And Bernie has been fighting right along side of us to defeat racism, sexism, and inequities for fifty years. Any implication that he is fighting against us is simply not true.

[Buzz cook]

7. You can thanK Obama for moving the party to the right.

After Obama Clinton can't help but move the party leftward.

[starroute]

43. Clinton is significantly to the right of Obama on foreign policy

And possibly to his right on corporate and environmental issues -- though she's being coy about where she stands on those.

[NanceGreggs]

13. Thank heaven that Hillary is still the front-runner ...

... and all the DU-bashing in the world isn't going to change that.

[leftofcool]

17. True this!

[NanceGreggs]

20. I've discovered ...

... that if you don't bother looking at the polls, BS is doing extremely well - in some netherworld where voters don't actually matter.

[frylock]

28. It isn't the DU-bashing that's going to change that.

[anamnua]

19. Re: the OP

As a Hillary advocate in DU during the dark days of 2008 when the obloquy towards her bordered on the hysterical certain avatars are indelibly imprinted on my memory; that ofthe OPer is one of them.

[Indepatriot]

21. She is a terrible "retail" politician.

That's why a truly believe she'd lose the G.E. That, and non-stop ads of her getting caught lying about sniper fire in Bosnia, then doubling-down on the lie when called on it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Who is the great "retail politician" she will be facing in the G E?

Everything is relative.

[Indepatriot]

27. I'm hoping we nominate a candidate who has more to offer than "I don't suck as bad as the GOP clown.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I thought we were discussing political skills , colloquially known as charm./nt

[Indepatriot]

42. Your reply suggested she wasn't " as bad a retail politician" as the Lunatics of the GOP.

While that is probably true, I don't think she can win. Americans are not known for their politically astute judgements..... A Koch Brothers funded, non-stop loop of her "Tall Tales of Tuzla" incident will further erode her trustworthiness making her shaky campaign flounder more than it already has. Hello Bush III...

[rusty quoin]

22. Bill Clinton...sociopath??

[murielm99]

37. Some people come here because they

genuinely support Bernie. Others simply because they are Clinton haters.

[jalan48]

32. Hillary is a bit wooden.

I'm sure that is one reason Debbie Downer is limiting the debates, she's trying to limit the damage. I think once Hillary starts taking positions on key issues she may do better though.

[lib87]

44. LBJ & FDR Were Pretty Problematic for Minorities

Referring to minorities as slurs, not including groups in SSA benefits, internment camps/kicking Japanese out their homes...I want no parts of the New Deal/Great Society past.