My comments to the DNC that I sent today.

[Aerows]

It's become blatant that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is incompetent at leading the DNC.

She thinks so little of our Democratic candidates, that's she's afraid for them to debate too much. Is she aware that the first debate takes place 5 days AFTER the deadline for people to register and vote in the Democratic primary?

Everyone knows that this is a tactic to help Hillary Clinton, so what does it say about her candidacy that she needs the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz to play games in order for her to become our nominee?

The optics are horrible. This is not what Democracy looks like.

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact

Feel free to let them know what you think, too.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, Me and progressive Democrats thank You, how could less in this case be more ?

[Gmak]

27. I have already written her via email though it was mainly to vent,

as I doubt she looks at our emails, when she asked for donations.

She bears a huge responsibility for Dems' defeats in Florida and nationwide. She has favored Dino candidates over real Democrats, repeatedly. The DNC is broke and from what I have read, she is simply using the position for her own personal enrichment. Why is she still in the job? The Washington establishment really doesn't care which party wins, just as long as it is one of their own, and they are will be funded via Superpacs by their real bosses, the oligarchs, so our contributions are piddly and unimportant. Hilary is their mouthpiece, just like Jeb is.

It is sickening and nightmare-inducing, to contemplate how many sociopaths and deluded ideologues, who hate humanity, must live and work among the power brokers of our national government, whether elected, appointed or as lobbyists. Could they be so totally selfish otherwise? Occasionally, they have to read a headline or two or see a story about the homelessness, joblessness, poverty of over 20% of our children and do they not connect it to how they perform their jobs?

I don't personally believe in heaven or hell, but I do believe in a karma of sorts and think that somehow, despite their lack of conscience, they will reap what they have sown.

[orpupilofnature57]

33. + 1000 for Courage and Vision !!!!!!!

[Dustlawyer]

61. Like most Democrats and all Republicans she has sold us out to the PTB!

I don't think that anyone can get her position without selling out, they have most of the votes. That is yet another reason why we need Bernie's political revolution. He won't get many current politicians endorsements for the same reason. They know that if Bernie is successful their days in office are numbered. We will recruit new candidates to run against them that are committed to Publicly Funded Elections and the Progressive policies that will come up during a Bernie Sanders administration!

[Aerows]

68. We as the electorate

are going to have to fight for it if we want a person that gives a damn about us in ANY office, rather than people that pretend but really just want the money it brings.

We have to fight locally, we have to fight in our state elections, and we have to fight in our national elections.

That is absolutely the only way we can turn this ship around.

The good news is that everywhere I turn, people are absolutely disgusted with how money and privilege has co-opted our government. Republicans, conservatives, progressives, Democrats, liberals, independents are fed up with the status quo.

It's easy to get people excited about voting for Bernie - just start talking about his policies where ever you go - standing in line, at the Post Office, waiting for your order at a fast food restaurant.

Just do it.

You will be SHOCKED at how many who are independents agree with him, the Republicans that aren't going to support him - just yet - but express respect for him, and Democrats that view Hillary as a lackluster candidate become re-ignited.

We want someone to vote FOR, not just somebody with a (D) vs. the batguano crazy (R) circus.

[Dustlawyer]

84. We obviously have a lot of Tea Party types here in my neck of the woods.

I just ask them to check out a Bernie video and listen with an open mind. I tell them that if they dig deep enough into what he is about they will actually like what they hear. He wants to cut corporate welfare and bring jobs here for Americans. He wants to make government more efficient and cut waste like in the Pentagon where they cannot even be audited and have just "lost" hundreds of billions of dollars.

We have our work cut out since we are really fighting the corporate juggernaut. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has been funding all of the state and local races which give them control of the state's. They found that it doesn't take much money relative to national politics. They also do insidious little things like start a bunch of newspapers that they put outside the jury assembly rooms to poison the juries against plaintiffs. Just google the Southest Texas Record; New Orleans Record; and the West Virginia Record to name a few. They were started in areas that they had labeled "Judicial Hellholes" because juries were still holding corporations accountable. They do not list themselves anywhere in their papers, in fact, the first 6 months of the Southeast Texas Record they did not even sell ads until they realized people were seeing through their facade because there was no revenue generation.

Your are right, we have to take them on anywhere and everywhere which is why Publicly Funded Elections are so important. That is really the main battle! If we win that they lose control over our politicians! We really cannot call them "OUR" politicians at this point since they only respond to Donors. Even Republicans are fed up with this, they just don't realize the extent that they have been used and propagandized!

[Aerows]

88. You are in TX

I'm in Mississippi, and I damn well know a tough uphill climb for support when I see one, but stone by stone you can move the mountain.

[Dustlawyer]

98. I am licensed in Ms., too, not any appreciable difference from here.

[sabrina 1]

97. Great comment, thank you. The fact is they don't care about starving children or people who are not

members of the 'class' they have created. Sociopath is a good word for such people.

But we bear a responsibility for the fact that these sociopaths and hoarders of money have gained so much power over our govt and lives.

Every election we tell them 'okay, if we don't get the candidate we want, we'll hold our noses and vote for the one YOU chose for us because the other team is worse'.

And so, they know they will get who they want and have, in power.

How about we change OUR strategy, start making them uncomfortable. Start doing what they do 'It's our way or the highwaty'!

Iow, either we get the candidate WE choose, or all your shenanigans to manipulate us into ending up with YOUR choice, isn't going to work anymore.

No, we won't be voting for your choice. We will, from now on, elect only candidates who work for US. So don't count on the same old routine you've all become so accustomed to.

To tell them in advance that if, eg 'Bernie doesn't win, we will hold our noses and vote for the nominee, is a recipe for them to keep on making sure we do not get who we want.

[bvar22]

171. At this stage of the game,

We should all be threatening to vote 3rd Party if they try to force the "not quite as bad" candidate on us.
We can always line back up after the Primary.

[sabrina 1]

177. Yes, exactly.

[George II]

65. Did FDR, JFK, RFK, or MLK ever participate in ANY Democratic Party Presidential Debates?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

120. Well, MLK never ran for president, so obviously he didn't.

RFK debated McCarthy in 1968, and McGovern and Humphrey debated in 1972. JFK debated Nixon in the general election in 1960, and Willkie challenged FDR to a radio debate in 1940 but FDR declined. Of course, Lincoln debated Douglas in 1858. But before 1968, intra-party primary debates weren't a thing. So your question is irrelevant.

[George II]

125. Question is NOT irrelevant. If there were no "intra-party" debates before 1968, when discussing...

.....debates for a Party's nomination, why even mention FDR and JFK? And if MLK never ran for President, why mention him, either? For "effect"?

BTW, interesting that you point out that FDR declined a challenge from Wilkie. So debates WERE proposed and declined! Thanks for the context.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

128. Your comment related to Democratic primary debates.

I mentioned the general election inter-party debates just to note that those did occur from time to time as early as 1858; but since primary debates weren't happening until 1968, of course JFK and FDR didn't participate in any (Willkie's debate request to FDR was for an inter-party debate, since Willkie was a Republican. There were no primary debates in 1940). And you were the one who mentioned MLK, not me; I simply pointed out that since he never ran for president he wouldn't have been debating at all.

[George II]

130. No....

....I didn't mention MLK, orpupilofnature57 did.

Goodnight!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

131. Your post title: "Did FDR, JFK, RFK, or MLK ever participate in ANY Democratic Party Presidential

Debates?" So yes, you did. Good night.

[rhett o rick]

133. I give up, did they? nm

[brooklynite]

2. You sure told her...

...or more to the point, you told the junior staffer who reads the incoming emails and decides what to do with them. My guess is that he or she stopped reading at "everyone knows.....".

[Aerows]

3. What's it to you? n/t

[Purveyor]

4. You just keep with the condesending tone and see how it works out for you come Nov. 2016.

[left-of-center2012]

16. If HC gets the nomination ....

The Bernie haters will be asking for unity and support.

[roguevalley]

22. make sure it happens if Bernie wins

[Aerows]

55. Minor correction:

WHEN Bernie wins

[DisgustipatedinCA]

191. Your invitation to the next salon is hereby revoked. nt

[LiberalElite]

6. Suggested correction:

you HOPE that he or she stopped reading at "everyone knows.....".

[brooklynite]

9. I gave you my assessment based on the fact that I DEAL with the DNC staff...

...and the DSCC staff

...and the DCCC staff

...AND because I'm a professional who knows how to write a letter designed to be read, rather than an insult rant that only makes me feel good.

[RiverLover]

13. Thanks for the heads up that the DNC, DSCC, & DCCC staffs are all very difficult

for their party members to communicate with. That's just wonderful & oh so helpful.

(And yes, my first sentence does indeed have a dangling participle. I hope if I did that in a letter to the DNC, they would look within themselves & find a way to overlook it. Particularly since its been shown that Strunk & White had it wrong.)

[dorkzilla]

28. Shhhhhh....don’t question him! He’s a VERY important BIG donor

We’re just peasants who don’t have enough money to know how this “really” works.

[840high]

36. Yes he is - keeps telling us that. VERY important.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. I feel sorry for you. Please let them know

I refuse to send them a penny until they fire DWS. Before it is too late.

[brooklynite]

50. and if they did, you'd probably have a host of OTHER reasons why you wouldn't send them a penny...

So really, not much point, right?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

69. No. Not really. She is the only obstacle.

I have certainly sent a lot to them before. But despite their MANY calls for support, my message is the same. Not a penny until she is fired. Not one tarnished cent.

[JDPriestly]

20. Interesting.

" I gave you my assessment based on the fact that I DEAL with the DNC staff...

. . . and the DSCC staff
. . . and the DCCC staff

...AND because I'm a professional who knows how to write a letter designed to be read, rather than an insult rant that only makes me feel good."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=608957

Interesting.

[RufusTFirefly]

29. Translated: "Do you have any idea who I am??!!"

Pulling rank, eh?

With respect, that's not how democracy is supposed to work.

Suggestion to Aerows for future correspondence with the DNC:

1. Enclose a sizable check with your message
2. Add an "Inc." or a "Corp." at the end of your name.

[Aerows]

53. I've seen harsher

taunts on a schoolyard.

LOL.

I'd best make sure I avoid a typo, because I'm sure that poster will be prepared to tell me how unprofessional I am.

[RufusTFirefly]

59. In the future, try not to be so uppity, OK?

The ruling elites really don't appreciate that.
It makes them very uneasy.

[Aerows]

74. I can't guarantee

that I won't or that I won't dial it up to 11 in the uppity scale if necessary

[RufusTFirefly]

81. Think of the children!!

[BeanMusical]

137. Yes that post sure was childish.

[Fuddnik]

96. Sounds like something Donald Trump would say.

Not you, The BIG Shot.

[LiberalElite]

45. I was polite but very emphatic that DWS

is IMO a detriment to the Democratic party and democracy in general. It was not an insult rant, sorry to burst your bubble. I suspect that you would not be gracing me with your "assessment" if I emailed them to praise HRC.

[brooklynite]

51. ...but you didn't share your "polite but emphatic" letter

You shared with us:

"She thinks so little of our Democratic candidates,"

"Everyone knows that this is a tactic to help Hillary Clinton"

If you care to post your letter, I'll be happy to reconsider my evaluation.

[brooklynite]

57. Condescension? Perhaps...

...but at least I know how to convey an opinion effectively, whether I'm "paying" for it or not.

[RufusTFirefly]

62. Just shows bad breeding, doesn't it?

Once the riff raff get a little whiff of power, heaven knows how far they'll go.

[freebrew]

159. Can't reply to a hidden post...

That was a bullshit hide.
Sorry for the insert, Rufus, but it had to be said.

[orpupilofnature57]

63. You know how to pontificate in an arrogant way, for sure.

And few are buying it.

[brooklynite]

67. Doesn't bother me...

...since I live in the real world, and not the blogosphere.

[RufusTFirefly]

71. And in the real world, whoever writes the checks wields the power

"One dollar. One vote."

[brooklynite]

75. Assume for the moment that we had all publicly funded campaigns...

...would this "thoughtful" letter have had any more clout?

[RufusTFirefly]

78. If we had publicly funded campaigns, that letter would be unnecessary. n/t

[brooklynite]

80. How would a publicly funded campaign influence Party debates?

[RufusTFirefly]

83. Have a nice day!

[orpupilofnature57]

72. You and Marie Antoinette .

[brooklynite]

76. When you come for me, aim for the head?

[orpupilofnature57]

77. I'm done, thanks .

[rhett o rick]

166. The DNC will listen to the 1%. So what's your point. We need to get democracy back into

the Democratic Party.

I believe it's immoral to support the existing status quo that ignores that 22% of American children live in poverty. Goldman-Sachs doesn't care.

[brooklynite]

167. Maybe you should send a similar rant to President Obama? After all, he appointed DWS

...and I'm guessing his staff will give the message in the OP the same attention.

[rhett o rick]

170. They don't listen to the grass-roots any more than the DNC which is run by the wealthy

Party Elites. At some point the grass-roots of the Party are going to rebel against the Party aristocracy.

[Le Taz Hot]

60. I counted at least 18 errors in your post.

You want professional? Let's get professional.

[brooklynite]

70. Perhaps...but I'm not trying to convince you "professionally"...

...I'm responding to a rant.

[Le Taz Hot]

94. And for goddess sake,

learn how to use a fucking ellipsis!

[pocoloco]

92. If you are so important, why haven't you

been able to change their minds??

Surely they would listen to you!!

[brooklynite]

95. Perhaps because I haven't been convinced that more than six debates are necessary?

In my opinion, people aren't watching the GOP debates at this point because they want to become informed; they're watching for sheer entertainment. With four months to go before anyone starts voting, I don't think the majority of voters are paying a moments attention to what's going on. The primary market for these early debates are partisans of one side or another who want their candidate to "win", and pundits who want a horse race story.

The Sanders people have been happy to point out how well he's doing (in IA and NH), and how "social media" is transcending the "corporate" cable channels, so why exactly are early debates so important?

[Aerows]

99. Which business school did you attend, and can you get a refund?

"people aren't watching the GOP debates at this point because they want to become informed; they're watching for sheer entertainment"

They are getting face time and an opportunity for the public to know who they are.

The only bad publicity is no publicity.

[brooklynite]

101. I work for the Government...

...and my philosophy is: "when your opponent is digging themselves into a hole, hand them another shovel".

[brooklynite]

116. Congratulations...

You are, I believe, the first person who's bothered to figure out who I am (which isn't hidden) and where I put my money.

In fairness, the numbers are skewed towards DSCC because we pulled out of all House races in 2014 when we became convinced it was hopeless. This year, we think we have some some opportunities to pick up House seats as well as regain the Senate, but we're also targeting some Governorships and State Legislature races.

(nb - your link isn't working)

[Aerows]

123. I don't particularly care for you or your attitude

That said, DU has had instances of members getting targeted with physical mail and threats due to the fact that their name was out there recently.

We disagree, but please, protect yourself. I mean that with all sincerity.

[bvar22]

180. Same attitude as Hillary,

above it all, especially the uneducated Peasant Class that has no right to know.....
or be involved as the elites pick their leader.

I found those posts disgusting. They inspired nothing but contempt.

[bvar22]

183. Let us examine DWS performance when she ran the DCCC "Red to Blue" program.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, head of the DCCC "Red to Blue" program REFUSES to endorse Democrats who have already WON their Democratic Primaries.

In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:

Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia

Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez

Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo

All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.



FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>

Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.

While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.

Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:

The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537

The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.

They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."

This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html

Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing




A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.

bvar22
Cursed with a memory

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama

With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!

[Autumn]

100. Well next time you deal with them just tell them people are fed up with the leadership and

her shit and are just about done with the games she has been playing and the games the party has been playing. Please and thanks ever so much, in advance. GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!

[brooklynite]

103. Drat! If only you'd told me a week ago, I could have passed in on to Vice-President Biden...

...who works for President Obama who appointed DWS as DNC Chair.

But since he's another corporatist sell-out, it probably wouldn't have made a lot of difference.

[Autumn]

106. Hey did you ever correct either of your OPs that had the "wrong information"

in them? Yeah I know who appointed her she was Obamas choice. Is that supposed to make me care? Just pass on to Debs, she screwed the pooch on this one.

[brooklynite]

107. I did...did you check?

[Autumn]

108. Nah, just curious if you had corrected the OPs.

[brooklynite]

110. ...which you'd have know if you checked...but you knew better, right?

[Autumn]

114. Well I did ask on the one if you used the Castro method of correcting misinfornation

got no response so I lost interest until you made me think of it again. And now I've lost interest in this conversation. Pass my message on to Debs, that way I don't have to subject some poor little staffer to reading the ramblings of the great unwashed .

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

104. Do kindly inform them to stop spamming me with their email

even if I have long unsubscribed from them, and selling my email address to some random Democratic candidate.

They also no longer get any penny from me, and any candidate I support gets direct funding until I am tapped out.

[Capt. Obvious]

172. In your dealings with the staff

do you have them fetch you drinks?

[bvar22]

181. Here is a clue for you.

Your elitist attitude and insults to those who you see as beneath you are helping neither Hillary nor yourself.
After reading your posts,
I thought, "Ahhh, here we have the perfect Hillary supporter... close minded, and above all the riff-raff peasants who occasionally make spelling errors!"

Like Donald Trump, you seem to enjoy putting yourself on your OWN imaginary pedestal.

Cheers.

[brooklynite]

182. Some pretty good stereotyping there...

As I've said, I've met Bernie and I have no objection to any of his policies: I'm just unconvinced that, in the real world of politics where votes have to be acquired in States around the country and where campaigns cost money, he won't be competitive against the Republicans. I've also said that, if someone could make a compelling argument that Bernie COULD win, I'd switch sides, as I did in the 2008 Primary.

And my issue with the OP wasn't spelling errors, it was the unprofessional ranting tone that would prove ineffective in conveying the intended message. By comparison, I chatted yesterday with someone who has DWS's ear, and while I didn't DEMAND MORE DEBATES (I'm still not convinced that they're necessary for Bernie to get his message out or that the Democratic base is ready to switch to the GOP because they haven't heard one), I calmly and politely suggested that the handling of the issue was becoming a distraction. I wonder which approach has a better chance of making an impact?

Now then, if you still need an evil villain to shake your pitchforks at, I'm at your disposal.

[bvar22]

185. Its not a stereotype if the shoe fits,

and according to your posts here,
you have give us enough information to accurately gauge your shoe size.

[bvar22]

184. GOOD,

because I stopped donating to the DCCC, DSCC, and the DNC.
As a Working Class Peasant, I discovered that they were using MY money against me by supporting Repub Lites, and running good Liberal Democrats with local support OUT of local Democratic Primaries,
and Bank Rolling Chamber of Commerce Conservatives for Democratic seats.

Now, I only donate to individual candidates that value Democratic Ideals.
Maybe, if enough people wake up, we can run you out of a job!




If you Work for a Living, never EVER donate to the DNC, the DCCC, or the DSCC.
They WILL use your money against you.

[brooklynite]

186. What job would that be?

My work as an Urban Planner or my teaching gig?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

192. A professional what?

[Warren Stupidity]

11. The little people are so ignorant.

[sarge43]

17. Yes. They never bow or curtsy or kiss the ring or wait to speak until they're acknowledged.

Peasants and riff raft.

[leftofcool]

12. That is pretty much what happens.

[sadoldgirl]

24. Well, in my case that "young lady"

had to read only two words:"RESIGN already!"
I had hoped that way to stop any more of her
e-mails to me. Unfortunately, no such luck.

[passiveporcupine]

14. Any way to try to put down a Bernie supporter works huh?

Sorry that you've had to resort to such tactics...because your candidate really is flailing. The OP is right. And they do get the message if they get enough mail.

[artislife]

32. Not everyone can PAY to have their voices heard..nt

[restorefreedom]

64. game..set...match. nt

[highprincipleswork]

38. Why would you take this tone with a fellow Democrat and DUer?

What thrill do you get from discrediting the honest attempt of someone to petition for democratic process?

Why would you be in favor of shutting democratic process down?

What do you think the repercussions will be of doing so? Do you think people with this much passion will flock to the polls once they've been disappointed in what appears to be a rigged system, not only to them but to countless journalists and political analysts who cannot figure out what the DNC is doing and can only conclude they are trying to rig the nomination process?

Why would you not join in and encourage at least the appearance of fairness to the extreme, so that everyone can come together in the end around whichever candidate proves through a fair and open process to be the better candidate?

[restorefreedom]

66. its the desperation talking

the worse hillarys numbers get, the worse and more insulting this will get.

i expect a LOT more shit to fly as she goes off the precipice of no return.

and right, this is a great way to alienate ge voters ....thankfully h wont be the nom otherwise there would be record low turnouts

[brooklynite]

79. "What thrill do you get from discrediting the honest attempt of someone to petition"

None whatsoever...but I do believe in trying to live in the real world, and emotional rants don't usually work well there...

Why would you be in favor of shutting democratic process down?

I'm not. I have no objection to more, or earlier debates. But if I was going to campaign for more or earlier, I'd write a thoughtful and polite letter explaining why. UNLESS I was convinced that "we all know" the DNC is in the bag for Clinton, in which case, why did I bother?

Why would you not join in and encourage at least the appearance of fairness to the extreme, so that everyone can come together in the end around whichever candidate proves through a fair and open process to be the better candidate?

Long before the issue of debates came up, the anti-Hillary brigade was fairly emphatic that they'd never "come together" if she was the nominee.

[Agony]

89. You don't live in the real world, since as you have described so often, you are into class warfare.

none so blind as will not see.

[brooklynite]

93. I see...because I'm a 1%er I'm automatically "into class warfare"

Guess that's why I supported Elizabeth Warren and Sherrod Brown and Russ Feingold for the Senate, and Alan Grayson for the House, right?

...and that's why I support a Presidential candidate who happened to vote against the Bush Tax Cuts, right?

[leftofcool]

115. Don't you get it?

You have worked and saved and now that you have a little money, you are a 1%er who doesn't care about the little people who claim to be in the 99% yet put Bernie stickers on that back of their VW Jettas.

[brooklynite]

118. Personally, I have a VW GTI

Good cargo space, and you get that great sunroof...

[Aerows]

143. No offense

but judging by your salary, you are barely a 1%er.

[brooklynite]

150. I married well...

[bvar22]

187. Thank You!

If you really are a 1%er, I now understand why you protect Hillary and DWS, who has a documented history of abandoning Democrats, and helping Republican win seats in Congress.

It IS laughable that a 1%er would come to DU and tell all the rest of us poor peasants how we should act,
and how we should write.
You really do NOT have the first clue.
Do you spend any time with Single Parents who make less than 15K per year?

I usually ignore the Donal Trump types,
and your BS is now being filed in the same folder as Donald Trump.
I hope (intensely) that I never meet you in person.

[brooklynite]

189. Golly, have I offended you?

(let's just remember that my complaint was about the TONE of the OP, not the message)

Did I offend you when I said I had no objection to any of Sanders' policies; my only concern was his ability to win against a well funded Republican?

Was it perhaps when I said that I supported progressives like Elizabeth Warren, Russ Feingold and Alan Grayson when I thought they could win?

Maybe it was my pointing out that Hillary Clinton voted against the Bush Tax Cuts (for people like me), in addition to all those petty minor things like being pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, pro-immigration, pro-voting rights, etc. etc.?

No, I think I offended you not because of WHO I am but because of WHAT I am: a 1%er. And we all know that EVERY 1%er is an arch conservative, just like every 99%er is a flaming liberal.

Right?

[bvar22]

190. You didn't just insult me.

I've been in way too many formal and informal debates to be offended by elitists like you.
Like I said, I have nothing but contempt.

You are not helping Hillary, Working Cass people, and yourself by displaying your extreme arrogance and 1% elitism. I am not personally offended, but enjoy baiting you because you have NO boundaries, and disclose way too much... All Nuggets of gold.
If I keep baiting you, you may lead us to the gold mine.

Thanks in advance.

[highprincipleswork]

144. Thank you for your reply. An additional thought.

I do not believe that, for all their passion, Bernie followers will not back the Democratic nominee, once one is fairly chosen.

However, we all know that the ways of choosing are already fairly primitive, byzantine, and subject to doubt - based on things like super-delegates and the like. Not things that warm the cockles of the democratic, small d soul.

So, why this insistence on so few debates, so late, and at such odd times? Why not meet with the candidates who disagree and try to work something out? Heck, we just met with Iran to try to work something out.

I am positive, because I am a Bernie supporter, that the DNC has no full idea of the lengths to which a Bernie or O'Malley supporter will go to if they feel their candidates are not being fairly treated. To us, these candidates represent the first honest attempt at a Progressive campaign in decades. Maybe since Bobby Kennedy or Eugene McCarthy. We feel that people like Bernie Sanders are setting a torch to all the false ideas that have been promoted as if they are truth since the days of Raygun, to the point where people who love things like Social Security and Medicare are still against "Socialism".

I am so convinced that these candidates should have their say. And I am also convinced that if they are not given their proper say, there will be Hell to pay. And how do I know. Cause I am one of those that is completely baffled and rankled by the DNC to the point that yes, they will have to work kind of hard to get me back again.

I shudder to think about it, but that includes even my vote. And I really never, ever thought I'd say that. But the thuggish tactics and obstinate refusal to listen to so many people is just driving me to that idea.

[treestar]

155. He's just informing of reality

This "us poor little people" schtick is so pathetic. It's all throughout this sub-thread. People seem to believe they are little victims who DWS should be personally serving in some way.

Some people seem quite jealous of DWS or brooklynite. This is not good politics. It's not going to get anyone anything they want. All this bashing of the DNC and the lead Democrats because they aren't doing what a few individuals think they want - people who wish they had influence and had worked their way up to be party chair so they could call the shots, but didn't bother to do that yet want the power. That's how it sounds.

[highprincipleswork]

173. Let me clue you into a little reality

Last edited Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Let me tell you something - those who are advocates of Hillary Clinton, in general, seem to have a way different view of reality than I do. And different from so many who are encouraged and inspired by people like Bernie Sanders.

The reason Sanders is doing so well, with little publicity, with little press coverage, is because his ideas resonate with what many people feel to be true about the world today.

Do you realize that amount of propaganda everybody has been subjected to since the days of Ronald Raygun? Immense. And so, so many people, on the surface at least, genuflect to "the lie". We even have a Chamber of Commerce that openly advocates shipping American jobs overseas!!!

So, please don't speak to me about reality. I'm pretty sure I've got at least s good a grip on it as you do.

Bernie can't win? Says who? Why are all the people digging on him then?

Poor little people? No, we're a lot of people, who support candidates other than Hillary, who to us represents more of the same same. And I, and I imagine many others, are not saying we wouldn't support her if she was elected by a bond fide process that exposed all candidates fairly and tested them fairly. But to actually devise a debate schedule to decrease candidate exposure to the public, that is insane in a media age. Unless you want to throw the game to the one already best-known. And that is simply unacceptable.

think of it this way. You would have Bernie and O'Malley supporters on your side if DWS sat down with them and tried to work this out to everyone's satisfaction, at least as well as say we have done with the Iranians for God's sake. But no, we have to be dictatorially be told how it's going to be. And that sounds like we're being told it's going to be HIllary or else.

That is not going to get you the Democratic support that is necessary to win a general election. That's a wrong move and a fairly dishonest one, in my opinion.

[treestar]

178. you really should take out that "babe" eom

[highprincipleswork]

188. you're right

[George II]

73. Here is MY message to the DNC:

I just felt it necessary to give the DNC a vote of confidence, especially with regard to the number of debates and the schedule.

Comparisons have been made to the 2007/2008 campaign, but people need to realize that this year we only have five or six candidates as opposed to a dozen or more back in 2007/2008.

Many supporters of a particular candidate are saying that in 2007/2008 the debates began in April. If that had happened this year, there would have been only ONE candidate debating!

Also, the most vocal supporters' candidate never felt the need to embrace the Democratic Party yet now that non-Democrat's supporters want OUR party to bend over backwards to accomodate someone who had no use for OUR party until a few months ago.

So, to sum up - I am VERY happy with the number and schedule of the debates, and am looking forward to my candidate's performance at those debates - I'm sure SHE will do an excellent job.

Thank you.

[leftofcool]

113. I sent a similar letter. I bet DWS has had many good letters saying the same thing.

[TheFarS1de]

119. Good to see you support Democracy .

As long as it is by your standards . That type of commentary points to one thing , fear . You fear debate ,and with your chosen candidate I can fully understand why you would want all talk stifled .

[George II]

127. Rather presumptuous of you. If yesterday's performances at the NH DEMOCRATIC Convention.........

...is any indication, Sanders and his followers should be in fear - he will be thoroughly embarrassed in a debate against Hillary Clinton.

I'm really looking forward to October, that debate may well clinch the nomination for Hillary Clinton.

Good night.

[TheFarS1de]

129. Presumptuous of me ?

Did I write off to discredit others concerns ? No , that would be you .

[brooklynite]

153. Would it be "democratic" to advocate for SEVEN debates? How about eight, nine, ten?

I see the "more debates" demand as somewhat equivalent to Republican calls for tax cuts. The ultimate number is irrelevant; it's the demand for "more" that's important.

[fredamae]

90. And That IS the Problem! n/t

[rhett o rick]

135. I so agree with you. DWS doesn't give a crap about the Democratic grassroots. I agree with you

that it's all about the money and the Democratic Elite are puppets of the big money. You are so correct to point out that money is more important than the 22% of American children living in poverty. Goldman-Sachs doesn't care about our children in poverty and why should they. Their goal is wealth accumulation. And they own H. Clinton.

It's about morality. How many American children do you think should be living in poverty?

[jalan48]

5. It's like a high school student body election for Debbie.

We'll just do what we want because we really like you are you are the most popular person anyway.

[MisterP]

8. that's very unfair to high school student body elections

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. LOL!

[LiberalElite]

7. I just did - Thanks!!!

[Aerows]

43. Thank YOU!

One of us stating that this is a bad strategy might not give them pause, but many of us saying so might wake them the hell up!

[mountain grammy]

10. I did too, thanks..

DEBATE NOW!

[Aerows]

42. Thank you!

This has to be the most awful strategy to get Democrats elected that I have seen in a long time.

[Sienna86]

15. Done.

Thanks for the link.

[Aerows]

40. I'm glad to see

that I'm not the only one that thinks this debate schedule is a fiasco in the making.

[Jackilope]

21. Money -- or the withholding of it -- seems to be the one route they might listen

....listen to the "little people", that is.

Make sure when you send back an empty envelope or get that fund raising phone call with their appeal for funds that they hear loud and clear.

I can see why Black Lives Matter has to resort to interruptions in public. DWS does not see or hear us unless it is a protest. The people in power don't hear the little people, only the powerful.

Corporate takeover of both parties and shame on anyone outside of the rigged game getting in the way.

Got it.

[Aerows]

41. FAR too many organizations

and at this point, I count the DNC, the DSCC and the DCCC among them, want to render politics strictly in terms of pay to play.

That isn't the way Democracy works. Democracy is one person, one vote. It isn't "we'll tell you whether or not we care if you vote, and send us some money."

[zentrum]

23. Doing it this DWS way

……will actually suppress the Democratic vote, when, in fact, a high voter turn out is the only way Dems can win and can overcome gerrymandering. Analysis shows this.

Thanks for your note. I'll do the same

[Aerows]

34. It surprises me that anybody

would think this is beneficial for GOTV or the Democratic Party.

Let's generate enthusiasm ... by limiting our candidates' ability to convey to the public their Democratic ideals.

That runs counter-intuitive to everything I've always thought a politician SHOULD do - interact with the body politic they want to garner votes from.

[zentrum]

86. It also keeps...

…the Democratic message from getting out there. It gives carte blanche to the Republicans to frame all the issues as the ones to focus on and the Dems spend the rest of the season just being on the defensive, answering all those Republican ideas.

It's infuriating.

[Aerows]

105. Sadly

That is exactly a recipe for a Republican controlled Executive branch.

You aren't going to GOTV if people see Republicans on television 24/7 and without a Democratic offering.

It just boggles my mind that they thought this was a simple plan.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. She needs to go.

she sucks.

[merrily]

124. Granholm, whose name is being floated, will do no better for Bernie.

She is not only a Hillary supporter, but is also a Senior Advisor to the PAC (Brock's) that recently smeared Bernie.

BTW, if you've never read Brock's wiki, you may want to do so, especially if you need a laugh.

[Aerows]

140. I liked Granholm

until I researched some of her "accomplishments".

She wasn't exactly a standout as the Governor of Michigan, either.

[merrily]

146. Whatever people's issues with DWS, Granholm is not the solution.

Nice to see you, btw.

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Aerows.

[Aerows]

39. Thank you, Uncle Joe n/t

[RiverLover]

30. Just sent my ill-conceived, angry letter! Grammatical errors & all!!

Thanks Aerows.

[Aerows]

35. Thank you

They deserve some harsh push back for this addle-brained idea.

[840high]

31. I just let them know - thanks

for link. That felt so good!!!!

[Aerows]

37. I'd rather be unsuccessful knowing that I spoke up

than wondering if speaking up would have made a difference.

[Plucketeer]

44. Thanks

I sent them an EYEful!

[Aerows]

49. Thank you for speaking up, too

Who ever came up with this ludicrous game plan hasn't fully thought out what it will do for voter turn out, nor how it affects our candidates.

[Plucketeer]

136. Truth is...

I've sent DWS three different post cards about this in the past two weeks. But I appreciate their site - which I'd never sought out - to respond to as well. Can NOT make too much noise about such an important matter!

[Aerows]

141. Thank you Plucketeer

because to me, and many other Democrats, this is an important issue.

Why do we want to spend less time talking about our values and our goals?

I'm in no way ashamed of my party, and it looks like we are supposed to be.

[Live and Learn]

46. Done, here is what I sent:

I think it is terrible that our first debate won't be held until it too late for some people to register to vote for the primaries. Isn't it a function of the DNC to register more voters? This seems counterproductive.

I also stopped by the DNC booth at the Los Angeles County Fair today and they had no Bernie buttons or information. As a DN?C supporter, I felt disenfranchised by the lack of inclusion of my candidate. They also had very few Chafee or O'Malley buttons but hoards of Hillary buttons.

Please try to be more inclusive of all Democrats.

[Aerows]

47. Well said

It gives me some hope that maybe someone in the DNC will get a clue that they are derailing efforts to GOTV.

[demwing]

58. I'll guess that the on hand supply

could be an indication of demand

[Live and Learn]

138. The people working the booth said that they had only received one type of Bernie button and

just a few of them. They also received only a very limited supply of Chafee and O'Malley buttons. One of the women behind the counter was actually wearing a Bernie button and all 3 of them seemed to like him. They all agreed that the DNC was pushing Hillary and one of them in particular seemed quite upset by it.

On the bright side, so many people kept asking about Bernie that they finally did place a sign saying that the Bernie buttons had sold out. Here is a picture (there was another case with more Hillary and Obama buttons - I even actually picked up a nice button with of the Obama's hugging that said Embrace Progress).

[zentrum]

126. Wow.

They aren't even trying to hide "the fix".

Thanks for going to the booth and for posting this.

[antigop]

48. Main Phone Number: 202-863-8000 nt

[Aerows]

87. Maybe some of us should give that number a call, too.

Thanks, antigop for the info!

[antigop]

91. absolutely --- we should call. nt

[demwing]

54. Sent a letter to the DNC that I have stopped donations till DWS resigns

copied it to Pelosi as well.

[Aerows]

134. Good to include Nancy Pelosi

She's a strong voice in Congress.

[Marty McGraw]

147. I wish Barbara Boxer

Would take over the Head of the DNC Chair

[CharlotteVale]

56. I did, too, and if whoever got my comments

is incapable of processing a comments form requesting more debates that says a whole lot more about the state of the DNC than it does about my comments.

[Aerows]

85. Glad you did, CV

If we want things to change, and want better political leaders, we have to start with those at the top that make foolish decisions that affect all Democratic candidates down the ballot.

[DrBulldog]

82. I filed my complaint with the DNC. Thanks for the link!

And make sure the rest of you do it as well!

[Aerows]

145. Thank you for doing so.

I'm quite angry at the DNC because it is crap like this that ends up with our party losing.

Frankly, if we can't win against the Republican stable of idiots this time around, there IS no Democratic Party left to fight for.

I personally believe our party is worth fighting for, though, and I'm not going to let up.

[MisterP]

165. interesting how some say the GOP was on its last legs 2009-10 and would've seen a big turnover

had Obama not gone out of his way to legitimate them as "partners in governance" or whatever the polite term might be

[floriduck]

102. My usual reply to DNC donation mailers

Is "I send my donations directly to Bernie Sanders." But today, my mail response was "No more donations until Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is removed from the Committee and more debates are scheduled." I ended with #FeeltheBern.

[brooklynite]

109. Out of curiosity, when did you EVER give a contribution to the DNC?

...or would that ruin your holier than thou post?

[floriduck]

111. I have indeed.

Sorry you like to troll Brooklyn.

[RufusTFirefly]

122. Great question! After all, democracy is ultimately a question of money.

I'm sure it's in the Constitution somewhere!

And if it isn't, it should be!

[Live and Learn]

139. Did you think you were the only Democratic contributor on the board? nt

[brooklynite]

152. I'm the only one who admits to it...

...All I ever see is "I NEVER give to the Party..."

[merrily]

117. Many problems with the debate schedule

2015
Tuesday, October 13, 2015
CNN Democratic Primary Debate
Location: Wynn Las Vegas
Sponsors: CNN, Nevada Democratic Party
Moderator: Anderson Cooper
Candidates: TBD


Problem with the above; As others have mentioned, this is after expiration of the deadline to register to vote in the primary in the populous state of NY and perhaps other states. Many disaffected Democrats and others are not current registered Democrat, but have been energized by Bernie or could be energized by Bernie.


Saturday, November 14, 2015
CBS News Democratic Debate
Aired On: CBS
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Sponsors: CBS News, KCCI, the Des Moines Register
Moderator: John Dickerson
Candidates: To be determined


Saturday, December 19, 2015
ABC News Democratic Primary Debate
Location: Manchester, New Hampshire
Sponsors: ABC News, WMUR
Candidates: TBD

The problem with the above: Saturday nights. Not a night when people, especially younger people, who are drawn to Bernie, are likely to stay home to watch a political debate. December 19 is also the Saturday before Christmas, a very popular night for private and office holiday celebrations.

2016
Sunday, January 17, 2016
NBC News Democratic Primary Debate
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Sponsors: NBC, Congressional Black Caucus Institute
Candidates: TBD

Offhand, I don't know of a specific problem with this date. This is the last debate before the Iowa Caucus begins.

February or March, 2016
Univision Democratic Primary Debate
Location: Miami, Florida
Sponsors: Univision, The Washington Post
Candidates: TBD

February OR March? Really? Depending on the actual date, many primaries and caucuses could have not only begun, but ended. The Iowa Caucus starts February 1. The New Hampshire primary is February 9 and on and on through Super Tuesday.



February or March, 2016
PBS Democratic Primary Debate
Location: Wisconsin
Sponsors: PBS
Candidates: TBD

See above.



This is mega bs.

[Aerows]

132. The alienation of a segment

that could GOTV but won't because they don't know there is even a difference between the clown car vs. our candidates is stupid.

Just plain stupid.

"I want people to vote for our candidates. The best way I can do that is to make sure as few people hear their message as possible."

[merrily]

149. No, that debate schedule is not from anyone who wants to energize rank and file Democrats to GOTV.

[TM99]

154. You are correct.

Arizona is one of the states that requires a voter registration change no later than October 5, 2015.

With the first debate not until a week later, this will hamper registration efforts.

I sincerely hope that someone in the Sanders campaign is aware of this and will begin a drive over the next few weeks to get these independents, unaffiliated, and third party voters registered as Democrats so they can vote in the primaries that require party affiliation.

[SoapBox]

121. I got a survey in the snail mail from the DNC this week...

So I'm sending it back with,

No more debates? No money for the DNC!

[McCamy Taylor]

142. I have never written the DNC because they do not have any power. No real power to speak of.

Not the power that the RNC wields. Whenever I hear anyone or read anyone talking about how the DNC is controlling us, I have to wonder how they decided that the DNC is all powerful? Extrapolation maybe? From their experiences with another party? Republicans get their faithful to march in step. Democrats encourage an entertaining brawl, as long as it all ends happily every after at the convention.

[djean111]

151. Maybe it is because the head of the DNC says she decides there will be no more debates?

Living in Florida, I get to see Wasserman-Schultz operating up close - like campaigning for GOP buddies, like not campaigning for "fellow" Dems running against GOP buddies, for castigating those Dems who want Grayson instead of Murphy. Stuff like that, and this has been linked to many times, and it is easily found by Googling.
IMO the Florida Democratic Party is thoroughly Third Way, and Debbie pulls the strings.
The DNC does decide who they will support, who they will help with campaigning. They could care less about the voters, because that lesser evil and who else are they gonna vote for thing has worked. maybe it will stop working so well, though, and I think that might worry them a bit.

As an aside, I consider all the Plegde-y Thing crap to be, really, a request that Hillary get a free pass for campaign lies and smears. Not from me, she doesn't, and saying she has no control over the PACs is really ridiculous. No one believes that. no one. And now the GOP and Hillary are investigating legal loopholes in that situation, too. True colors are seeping out.

[Autumn]

156. Those colors are flowing like a river now.

[fadedrose]

148. Newsflash

They don't care what we think. They got orders already from whoever wants their candidate to win, and this candidate's performance may not be best over more than a few debates.

[vkkv]

157. The DEADLINE TO VOTE is a bigger problem. n/t

[Plucketeer]

158. And we fuss and fume

over the gerrymandering of the GOP - the slanting of voting via any sort of impediments they can throw up. How are those different from what DWS is doing here?

[Lorien]

160. It's no different

DWS is trying to rig the election just as the GOP is. Both are undemocratic and unAmerican. If you need to cheat to win, then your candidate doesn't have worthy ideas worth voting for.

[Aerows]

168. It's the same type of slimy tactics

They just expect us to all fall in line with what they want.

[progressoid]

161. The DNC stopped contacting me years ago. I said something disparaging on one of the begging "polls"

they mailed out.

[denvine]

162. I also replied on the DNC donation request card sent to me in a final notice.

I wrote in red on the card: Not a chance! I am a real Democrat and I will not give a dime until Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is gone and the DNC becomes representative of the people's party, not the already anointed politicians. More debates!

[WillyT]

163. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[jwirr]

164. I have been writing them somethings similar from the beginning on every thing they

send me. I also tell them to get rid of the exclusivity rule. They do not listen but they will when we continue to refuse to send them money and we continue to protest.

They think we are going to go away. I guess they have never seen a movement before.

[hopemountain]

169. she lied and gave a very smarmy

statement (over and over again) on Chris Hayes last week. when he asked her why only 6 debates and whether the candidates had all agreed - she stated yes, that she spoke with all three campaigns. LIE! bernie and o'malley have both stated they believe there should be more debates and not asked - perhanps "told" - but not asked.

[MrMickeysMom]

174. WELL… that felt good, Aerows.

Told them exactly what I felt.

[ChiciB1]

175. Thanks For Posting This, I Was Just Going To

ask if there was a place that so many Democrats could call out DWS and almost ALL OF THE REST of our Democratic leaders for their obvious ignorance and not actually taking Bernie's run for POTUS seriously.

I want to ask them WHY we should trust THEM anymore than the Repukes who only want THE MONEY to the detriment of losing many of their base. I've always been a Democrat and said if she's the nominee I will vote for her, but lately I beginning to wonder if much will change.

Shutting out a candidate in this manner isn't much better than what the other side does all the time. THEY aren't listening to those of us who want something different which to me is almost like DICTATING to me what they want!

I'm now re-thinking if I want to hold my nose this time. NEVER thought these words would come out of my mouth!!!

[KoKo]

176. Recommend........

[closeupready]

179. I did the same with my flyer.

Brilliant minds think alike, I guess.