Poll: Clinton's lead over Sanders grows

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton's lead in the Democratic presidential primary race has grown -- and if Vice President Joe Biden decides to stay out of the race, her numbers would rise even higher, a new CNN/ORC poll shows.

Clinton is backed by 42% of Democratic primary voters nationally, compared to 24% for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, 22% for Biden and 1% for former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

That's a marked improvement over an early September CNN/ORC poll that found Clinton leading Sanders, 37% to 27%, with Biden at 20%.


And Biden's support comes almost entirely from Clinton's camp. Without the vice president in the race, Clinton's numbers climb by 15 percentage points, while Sanders' increase by only 4 points -- giving Clinton a nearly 2-to-1 lead at 57% to 28%, with O'Malley moving up to 2%


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-2016/index.html

[roguevalley]

33. they polled no one under 50. throw it out

[WI_DEM]

67. There's a lot of N/A's on that poll

I doubt they only polled people over 50--my guess is that they released that without all the statistics. If I were you I would contact CNN about it or check later and see if they have revised it.

[still_one]

76. In questions on who they support for president it only represented registered

voters, which imply that those less than 50 have not t registered in significant numbers. That correlates with the midterm turnout which was the lowest in 70 years.

For questions regarding the presidents approval that included both registered and not registered voters, and the age group less than 50 is definitely present

[reformist2]

94. They shouldn't have hid the numbers. They probably showed Bernie ahead of Hillary among young voters

[SonderWoman]

2. KNR. Biden needs to make up his damn mind.

[oasis]

92. Joe should fold his tent and go quietly into the night.

thanks for the memories Joe.

[Garrett78]

3. I hope this will put to rest...

the ludicrous notion that Biden would pull more (or as much) support from Sanders than from Clinton, as some DU posters actually argued a while back (as hard as that is to believe).

It should also be clear to Sanders supporters that Biden wouldn't pull enough support from Clinton to make much difference, and Clinton is still a heavy favorite.

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. Click your heels together and repeat after me...

There's no one like Hillary there's no one like Hillary there's bno one like Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. You seem a bit salty this morning, pardner./nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. First day back from vacation. No offense intended.

[restorefreedom]

16. dont forget toto!

[workinclasszero]

5. I think Bernie has reached

his ceiling.

I figured if Uncle Joe wasn't in the mix it would benefit Hillary the most as well.

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

19. "ceiling" noted.

Keep on hoping that the 'ceiling' has been reached. It hasn't. Clinton's ceiling reached a long time ago, and it's still going down, no matter how hard you hope it stays up.

[roguevalley]

34. no.it is fixed no one under 50 polled

[workinclasszero]

36. Older people are way more reliable voters

I guess that's another minus for Bernie then eh?

[AgingAmerican]

43. So only poll people over 50?

Half the population is between the ages of 18 - 50, oops!

[mythology]

54. No that is inaccurate

Please actually read the poll. Under 50 had a higher margin of error and so wasn't broken out.

[workinclasszero]

40. Its hard to get over facts isn't it?

Clinton is backed by 42% of Democratic primary voters nationally, compared to 24% for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, 22% for Biden and 1% for former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

I'll just put these facts here again from the OP's post. Guess you missed them the first time.

No hope here, just facts.

[AgingAmerican]

45. Her support has been cut in half since June

nt

[workinclasszero]

47. And she's still the most popular democrat running

by far.

[AgingAmerican]

49. As indicated by her crowd size

nt

[workinclasszero]

53. Crowd size does not equal votes

That has been proven time and time again.

Just ask President Rmoney!

[AgingAmerican]

56. It indicates popularity

Her negatives are higher than her positives, she isn't popular, she is merely considered 'safe'. Most of her supporters say, "I like Bernie better, but".

Even her own supporters admit Sanders is the better choice.

[workinclasszero]

59. hahahahahahahaha

"Even her own supporters admit Sanders is the better choice."

[AgingAmerican]

62. Well, yeah

Hence the 'I like Bernie better, but..." that we see constantly from her 'supporters'.

Many many Hill supporters have switched to Sanders, but not the other way around.

[workinclasszero]

64. I will gladly support and vote for the democratic party nominee

Whoever that turns out to be, no problem.

Can Bernie backers say the same?

Hmmm....

[WiffenPoof]

70. I don't understand your question...

In my opinion, there are plenty of people here that are Bernie supporters that have stated that they will vote for whomever becomes the nominee.

Paige

[workinclasszero]

74. Theres plenty around here that

have promised they will never vote for Hillary, ever.

I'll leave it to you to figure out which candidate they are backing.

Or start a post asking who will support and vote for the democratic nominee regardless of who it is.

It might be an eye opening experience.

[Capn Sunshine]

77. Fortunately this is an infinitessimal sample

This little Bubble of DU attracts a certain personality that is actually quite rare in the real world.
You can be as strident as you like online, and there appear to be mobs that agree with you.

As we have noted since 2001, translating that to votes is problematic.

[frylock]

81. Polls conducted nationally over landlines is what equals votes..

not butts in the seats.

[frylock]

80. How many independents and unaffiliated voters back Clinton?

You know, the largest bloc of voters?

[GReedDiamond]

90. They used to call it "his plateau"...nt

[frylock]

79. His ceiling has plateaued!

[Geronimoe]

7. Bernie way ahead compared to Obama

Obama was barely known as this point back in 2008.

[Nitram]

9. That's what happens when you "peak too soon." :-)

[SmittynMo]

15. I totally disagree

He's not even close to peaking.

[appalachiablue]

23. Bernie's just getting started.

Feel the Bern!

[AgingAmerican]

57. Wait til the debates

Then tell us how he peaked too soon!

[Garrett78]

10. There's no comparison.

Obama was the keynote speaker at the '04 convention. He didn't threaten the moneyed interests. He had both a lot of money and establishment support. He was also young and charismatic, and presented an opportunity to finally have a person of color as POTUS. Lastly, he was able to win a lot of delegates that Sanders won't win (in the South and Midwest, for instance).

[Capn Sunshine]

82. He was making noise, about where Sanders is today

National Polls saw him trailing Hillary 45-30, and Edwards, ( remember him?) was third

[DCBob]

8. GREAT NEWS!

Exactly as suspected.

Cheers!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Despite all the chatter I believe Joe ultimately decides not to run.

eom

[DCBob]

13. I'm really confused by this.

I thought no way before but recently there has been so much chatter that now I'm not sure.

[Fla Dem]

32. The Washington press corp, the Sunday "news" show need something scintillating to report.

They need viewers, web site clicks and papers sold. Also, politicians of all stripes love press coverage(as long as it's good). If Joe sneezed 3 times in a row, they would report it as a major development and analyze it to death.

[NCTraveler]

46. It's not a close race with Biden in the polls.

It will look like an outright runaway if Biden is removed from the polls. A runaway does the corporate media no good so they are completely inventing a narrative in order to make it look somewhat close with Sanders. Still isn't even very close.

[Laser102]

26. I know the media will be really disappointed. Good!!!

I like Joe. I just don't think he brings much to the table.

[Gothmog]

12. This is good news

[SmittynMo]

14. Note the link,

which is another 1% fed news organization. Don't be confused. CPAC money wants you to believe what they tell you.

[DCBob]

17. Without Biden Clinton leads 57-28

Wow!!

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

18. Too bad this poll is deemed invalid

No one asked anyone under the age of 50.

I do think the CNN poll is getting paid by the Clinton propaganda department to try to fool Americans.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Which of the recent polls do you like better?

Which of the recent polls do you like better?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


Thank you in advance.

[Betty Karlson]

20. No-one under 50 was polled.

This poll is so scewed, it is worthy of FOX.

Mrs. Clinton deserves better polling. And so do the other candidates, whether they have declared or not.

[corkhead]

24. Nobody under 50 will vote

For Hillary, so why bother polling them

[Betty Karlson]

38. That was very cynical - but also very funny.

Thanks for a good laugh.

[magical thyme]

22. <50s left out of results. But I'm sure that didn't skew the poll at all...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Which of the recent polls do you like better?

Which of the recent polls do you like better?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


Thank you in advance.

[riversedge]

27. thanks for the link.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. You are welcome. This is really foolish. This poll just confirms the other recent polls.

This CNN poll is actually a tad bit worse for her.

[magical thyme]

28. I like them equally. The trend of each candidate is quite visible.

although why you asked me to choose between the same poll of polls eludes me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I meant to include this one.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls


The trend shows the Vermont senator has reached his apex and is now descending.

[workinclasszero]

41. Bernie was reached his ceiling

He still can't appeal to populous diverse states and the south as well.

Bernie peaks in Iowa and NH, Vermont. Then he's done.

Hillary's got nothing to worry about IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. There is nothing you wrote any objective person could possibly disagree with./nt

[phoenixpcrod]

30. Skewed poll

Nobody under 50 was polled

[99Forever]

35. A bullshit skewed poll.

The desperation is getting palpable.

Forgot this:



Have a lovely day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Which of the recent polls do you like better?

The desperation is getting palpable.

Forgot this:



Have a lovely day.

Which of the recent polls do you like better?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html


Thank you in advance.


BTW, you bid me farewell:

Have a lovely day

I would bet my errrr, ear, you respond, why, because you can't quit me.

Oh, have a lovely day.

[99Forever]

69. I don't like or not like any poll.

Last edited Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)

They are all are propaganda posted by someone with an agenda. If if doesn't fit your agenda, you pretend it doesn't exist. There's only one poll that counts, the one taken in the voting booth.

[NCTraveler]

50. If I link to Sanders supporters touting the validity of online polling,....

which we all know to be jokes, will you make the same comment? lol. Bet you wouldn't call promoting and attempting to discuss the validity of online polling as desperation.

[99Forever]

71. Yes.

As I explained to the OP.

[NCTraveler]

72. Timing couldn't have been any better. Same verbiage please.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251610682

[99Forever]

73. Do not care.

I answered your query. Done with it

[NCTraveler]

75. So that yes didn't actually mean yes. Love it. Thanks. nt.

[DFW]

39. I get the feel-good value of trotting out polls that support what we want to hear and all, but.....

It's about 10 months until the convention and we are still pretty much up in the air about what could happen in the meantime. One big X factor is that the media is finally paying a lot more attention to Sanders than it was before, and this could still increase from its current level. Maybe he'll plateau, but maybe not, too. On Sep. 9th, I met in Washington with the president of "Progressive Congress," and she sees Bernie Sanders once a week. She said that while he didn't consider winning the nomination a realistic possibility six months ago, this has changed, and now he really wants it. This matters, big time. Maybe Hillary will plateau, too. I suspect not yet, but who knows at this point? I doubt ANYONE is out there who thinks SHE doesn't want it.

The "nyahh-nyahh" factor (refreshingly missing from this OP, but an exception to the GDP rule these days) is a big turn off, just like Fox Noise yelling about "liberals" or others yelling about "corporatists."

Before we start waving the latest poll numbers around like a battle flag (there'll be new ones tomorrow, anyway), I, as a minority of one, granted, want to hear some more depth from our major contenders. Do we need a more balanced tax system? Sure. Do we need single payer as our ultimate goal for health care? Right again. But I know the words by heart now: millionaihs and billionaihs, etc. etc. I don't need to hear it 9 times a day. I know who my friends are, and I know who they aren't. And PLEASE drop that slogan "ready for Hillary." I'm READY for a good night's sleep. I VOTE for a presidential candidate. I'm ready for the White House to stay in Democratic hands for three full terms in a row for the first time since Roosevelt-Truman. I am not ready for ANY of the Republican clowns currently in contention for their party's nomination picking the next few justices of the US Supreme Court. I want to hear (among other things) some detailed talk from our candidates about this subject. It would help me greatly to decide among the current contenders, all of whom have said things I agree with, but none of which have closed the deal for me yet. Slogans will NOT do it. Nor will daily polls.

I'm voting Democratic in the general, that's a given. I'm not so pure as to say that I'll leave the playground if the team I decide to root for doesn't win the primary. There are bigger issues at stake here. Al Gore and Howard Dean laid that out for me in no uncertain terms that one evening in 2008. It's no less true now (I've repeated my post from back then a couple of times--I can find the link again if anyone wants to know, and doesn't remember, or hasn't seen it).

[DCBob]

44. Well said but..

This is significant to Hillary supporters with all the media press about Hillary tanking and Bernie zooming. If this trend is real, and I believe it is, its a major development. Cant help but cheer it.

[DFW]

84. I can't argue with that

Hillary supporters must be rather tired of the overwhelming avalanche of Bernie posts right now, and no doubt welcome the positive report. By now, they must feel that if someone posts that Sanders spilled a drop of coffee on his napkin, they'll get thirty "YA GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?" angry posts in return.

But all the same, it's just one poll. Good news to some, a minor irritation to others, and totally ignored by those who see good reason to ignore it, justified or not. As an unrepentant Deaniac from the 2003-2004 days, fully aware that Howard has no interest at all in running now (and knowing that Judy would nail his privates to the barn door if he did), I'm content to bide my time and let things develop. Although I vote in Texas still, I live in Germany now, still have my 25/8 day job, and have the luxury of being able to watch from a distance. I keep in touch with both Howard and Jim by phone, so I get both sides of the story, free from the emotional tirades, regularly anyway.

[DCBob]

85. If Howard decided to run I would have fully supported him.

His endorsement of Hillary means alot to me. Gives me confidence she is the best candidate for us.

[DFW]

86. I think Howard's support is more nuanced than that, although I haven't tried to drag it out of him

Howard was spending serious time hanging with Hillary months before Bernie or O'Malley announced. We had a long breakfast, just us two in early January in NYC. When we were done, where did I end up walking him to? Hillary's office (I was not invited in, not that I expected to be). Until that day, I wasn't convinced she was really going to run. He had seen none of what he most wanted to see (i.e. a much younger contender) elsewhere, and as he was no longer DNC chair, he felt no obligation to remain neutral as he did in 2008. Hillary, on the other hand was (still is, it seems) a work in progress, although I get the impression her progressive leanings are more intact than many think. She still needs to come out and clearly say so if she wants to gather some steam, IMHO, but that's just my take. I don't back anyone yet, and I sure don't advise Howard on anything other than Europe and, specifically, Germany and France, where I am most often. What he passes on, I have no clue. I'm sure Iowa is more on Hillary's mind than Westfalia or Correize right now.

As I said before, there is no way in the world Howard would run next year unless meteorites fell simultaneously on Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley. But his 50 State strategy DID work back when he was DNC chair, and I don't think he and I are the only ones who remember that. He'd like one more shot without having the personal burden of the DNC chairmanship, let alone the nomination. Plus, this way, he can shoot for one more success, and then enjoy it (IF he gets it) far from Washington, where Judy will let him keep his private parts intact in the bargain.

[DCBob]

87. HA! I wouldn't want meteorites to fall simultaneously on Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley.. but..

something a bit less destructive would be okay with me if it got Howard to run.

Thanks for the reply.. its always interesting to hear your comments and experiences.

Cheers!

[DFW]

89. Don't we wish!

But Howard was very clear on that point. He feels he COULD do the job, but Judy wants no part of another presidential run, does not want to be married to the POTUS, and Howard feels very strongly that he is too old for the job. As both Hillary and Bernie are older than he is, you can draw your own conclusions on that one!

[demwing]

48. This poll is debunked in Ichingcarpenter's thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=610020

No one under 50 was included in the polling data

[DCBob]

51. That debunking was debunked.

LOL.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. The poll's findings are also confirmed by the findings of other pollsters in the field.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

[DCBob]

60. Yep.. looking more and more like this bump up for Hillary is real.

Cheers!

[AgingAmerican]

61. Where? Can you link to the post where it was debunked please?

Thanks in advance!

[DCBob]

63. All over the place.. just read the downstream posts in Ichingcarpenter OP.

[AgingAmerican]

65. I did read them

Again, could you please link to where it was debunked? The polling data in the PDF states only seniors were polled. Please link to where this fact is debunked.

Thanks in advance.

[DCBob]

66. Do you actually believe any pollster would conduct a poll leaving out half the population??

That's just absurd.

[WI_DEM]

55. And Biden is the top choice for second choice preference

then Clinton and finally Bernie.

[upaloopa]

68. Feeling the 25% Bern. It hasn't changed in weeks

Bernie will keep and hold his 25%. That is because he can't get minority support. It is just that simple. There is more to some people's lives than economics.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. See **New Poll** here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1251

[GeorgeGist]

83. Absolutely terrible polling technique ...

as discussed elsewhere.

[arely staircase]

88. Essentially she is beating Sanders 2-1 nt

[workinclasszero]

91. Time is running out

for Bernie to take over the Obama coalition.

[artislife]

93. Really?

We have over a year to go.