2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary APPROVED Special Status For Aide Huma Abedin
Hillary Clinton greenlighted the controversial special government employee position for her top aide Huma Abedin, allowing her to both advise her at State Department while collecting a paycheck from an outside consulting firm and the Clinton Foundation. According to new documents obtained by conservative group Judicial Watch through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the 2016 Democratic frontrunner was the immediate supervisor who approved the position on March 23, 2012, allowing her then-deputy chief of staff to work several jobs at once. That dual role, which wouldn't go into effect until June of that year, is currently under investigation by Senate Judiciary Committee Republican staff. Republicans and outside groups have openly wondered if the post presented a conflict of interest for the woman who is now vice chair of Hillary for America, or if her other jobs influenced what happened at State. Her lawyers have maintained that she did nothing wrong, noting that government workers have moved to SGE status before.
POLITICO reported Wednesday that the president of the outside company where Abedin would end up working later that year, Doug Band of Teneo, had contacted her that spring in April 2012, asking her for help getting a client appointed to a post on the Presidents Global Development Council. In the email, he made sure Abedin knew the woman, Judith Rodin, president of The Rockefeller Foundation, was also a big supporter of the Clinton Foundation another place Abedin would collect a paycheck after her SGE status was approved.
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Clinton, in an interview with MSNBC on Sept. 4, said she "was not directly involved" with Abedin's job arrangement. "Do you think Donald Trump had a point in raising the question of whether it was appropriate for her to be taking a State Department salary and also be paid by an outside company closely associated with your husband, by you?" asked reporter Andrea Mitchell.
"Well, I was not directly involved in that, but everything that she did was approved under the rules as they existed by the State Department," Clinton said.
The document states the following:
I certify that this is an accurate statement of the major duties and responsibilities of this person
and the position is necessary to carry out government functions for which I am responsible, the form reads in a box labelled "supervisory certification."
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State, reads the name in that box.
The signature, however, has been blanked out by the State Department.
cont'
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-abedin-state-job-approved-214038
olddots
(10,237 posts)Weird politics .
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)All we need now is a horse judge
Segami
(14,923 posts)if Hillary and Bill is allowed to conduct business once again through the office of the WhiteHouse.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)I wonder how much wealth they need to accumulate before it's deemed enough. I dread that sense of entitlement and penchant for recklessness anywhere near the levers of government
marble falls
(57,055 posts)spirited.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't see anything mean-spirited.
Can you point to what you find mean-spirited, please?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)If it shows just who she really is.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)yes, I kind of agree with this
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and Republicans salivate over. She would be an extreme liability for the Democrats in the GE. It's why we have to work 3 times as hard for Bernie to ensure she doesn't get the nomination.
antigop
(12,778 posts)State Department
Teneo
Clinton Foundation
worked in a "personal capacity" for HRC
karynnj
(59,500 posts)In addition, it really seems that there are conflicts of interest here.
I think the biggest problem for HRC is she signed off on at least the special State Department provision -- and the last two are essentially working for her. Not to mention, she told Andrea Mitchell that she had nothing to do with this arrangement. Yet, it seems it was over her signature. (I wonder if it is common practice to redact the actual signature. Could someone else have approved this for Clinton? )
antigop
(12,778 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)had all the time on his hands...
antigop
(12,778 posts)Maybe we can all gather for drinks/dinner and HRC can come join for as long as she can? Abedin wrote.
The December 2012 event showcased the unique position that Abedin occupied at the apex of the Clintons public and private worlds during the final six months of Hillary Clintons tenure heading the State Department.
At the time, Abedin held four jobs with four different employers an arrangement allowed by a special government designation she held permitting outside employment. And each job had a connection to the Dublin dinner.
antigop
(12,778 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a phony scandal. She's very conscientious about legalities, after all. At best they could only hope to catch her or her staff in a mistake, but guilt isn't needed, just a McCarthy-type hit-and-run.
BTW, I pointed out before that the email server would be only one item on a list to consider, but it was apparently their favorite to lead off, and here's #2 right on schedule now that servergate's faded.
oasis
(49,365 posts)riversedge
(70,176 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And apparently very trusted by Clinton. I was a pretty big fan of her husband as well.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)DON'T THESE IDIOTS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY!?!?!
This points out secrecy and trust issues in Hillary. You know, all this shit is hitting the fan because of her (lack of) judgment. I do remember hearing how all the shit the pug candidates do will be 'fair game'. I don't know how the hell she could do the things she has done in the climate of lunacy that surrounds her and Bill and think she could glide to the presidency without anyone poking into her garbage can. This is on the level of Bill thinking he can have blow jobs in the white house and no one will notice and cry bs. Astonishing.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I mean, if we're going to carry some RW water ... might as well use one of these ...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)and in the real world, here's what the ACTUAL RWers are going to be carrying their water in once they have time to focus their attention on Her. A fucking FLEET of these is what you're about to unleash on the Democratic Party if She's nominated... They're going to be sailing into the harbor 24/7. Good luck with that.
Segami
(14,923 posts)You're late.....pick up the pace.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)karynnj
(59,500 posts)This is not the revolving door problem.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)And no, I don't have specific names because that information is not usually given out publicly although it is public information. I am not interested but you can search it out for yourself using FOIA.
karynnj
(59,500 posts)to essentially a contractor.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I also understand that he selected Hillary to be Secretary of State.
karynnj
(59,500 posts)selected him as the VP nominee --- after Obama selected him.
This is not the same - the same would be if Obama signed something allowing Biden to work for private companies or foundations while VP.
antigop
(12,778 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)If she didn't sign it, then there's no issue. If she did, well some people might see that as Hilary Rodham telling a lie. Seems like an easy enough scandal to quell. Either Hillary Rodham Clinton lied or she didn't.
antigop
(12,778 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)-Huma's job arrangements, the private email server, entanglements of Clinton Foundation with State Dept business, insufficient reporting (as required by the Obama White House, and also by law) of donations of foreign countries to Clinton Foundation-is this:
-conflation of personal business with government business
. . .and apparent lack of respect for, or lack of understanding of (I'm not sure which is worse) the principle of government employees keeping personal business separate from government business .
Not good.
Sienna86
(2,148 posts)Some people feel, because they are rich or in power, that they are above what ethics and regulations require.
For some, it is both.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)are above the law, and are basically your own aristocracy, such pesky rules are not to be followed.
this family does not need to be in our white house any more.
they can keep getting their quarter mil speaking fees, but please, enough. go away now.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)and just one of those other threads running through that makes me not want her in charge of anything, is her propensity to drag other people into her messes
Sometimes indirectly...as in taxpayers who end up paying for investigations and as in her loyal friends and employees some of whom have served time and some of whom are threatened with criminal and ethical violations... and the history of that goes back 25 years with over a dozen people were convicted of various federal crimes re Whitewater including a few that ended up in prison.
As a person trained in the law Hillary uses her understanding and cleverness to protect herself via loopholes no one else has ever sought out...other people aren't so trained and aren't so clever...she really doesn't watch out for the people she puts at risk very well. Her current unscandals have Brian Pagliano at risk for work that circumvented commications security, and have cast a dark enough shadow on her BFF Huma Abedin to have her probed for violations
The pattern of life at the margins of ethics is what causes all the "wtf's" that results in legions of conspirators examining every move they make.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)That's like government cool.
antigop
(12,778 posts)the special status or not.
I think the headline is misleading, but it begs the question:
Did she sign it or not?
Segami
(14,923 posts)"..Hillary Clinton greenlighted the controversial special government employee position for her top aide Huma Abedin, allowing her to both advise her at State Department while collecting a paycheck from an outside consulting firm and the Clinton Foundation..."
"...the 2016 Democratic frontrunner (Hillary Clinton) was the immediate supervisor who approved the position on March 23, 2012, allowing her then-deputy chief of staff to work several jobs at once..."
The document states the following:
I certify that this is an accurate statement of the major duties and responsibilities of this person and the position is necessary to carry out government functions for which I am responsible, the form reads in a box labelled "supervisory certification."
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State, reads the name in that box.
The signature, however, has been blanked out by the State Department.
Hillary Clinton was the "immediate supervisor" and from what I gather, the form's box labeled "Supervisory Certification" was followed by the name Hillary Rodham Clinton and a signature line.
Now, a great question that needs to be addressed is why would the State Department feel the need to blank out the signature line?
Other than Hillary Clinton, was someone else tasked with the authority to sign for Huma Abedin's position "necessary to carry out government functions" on behalf of Hillary? If so, once again, why would the State Department feel the need to blank out the signature line?
antigop
(12,778 posts)Why was the signature blanked out?
Did someone else sign?
HRC said she "was not directly involved" with Abedin's SGE status. So did HRC sign the form or not?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)It's just the squishiness of the special arrangements that's the issue here.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)MichMan
(11,899 posts)Redacted signature may just be the common practice to avoid it being copied and pasted or to make identity theft less common. While Hillary's signature would be out there in the public domain, that wouldn't be true of less notable government employees.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Sure makes me proud to be a Democrat.
karynnj
(59,500 posts)be on two commissions in UNPAID positions - calling it essentially quid por quo by Shumlin because Bernie campaigned for him.