2016 Postmortem
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http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/Of course you have to register... so it's not worth it to me.
Snap the Turtle
(73 posts)Can't seem to get in... oh well.
Not even worth a visit, I guess.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)even worse stuff than they're posting here?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)They don't want us to see how they are purposefully alert stalking users they don't like. Cowards.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The alert was slapped down 6-1. Looks like "their" juries aren't very effective.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Seems they have abandoned this place.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)zappaman
(20,627 posts)That's why you started an OP about it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I clicked on the link posted here and got the impression that site, like that other one I won't give a mention to, is for people who hate DU? I assumed they were out of here. Or were you just visiting?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #53)
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onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)questionseverything
(11,836 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)of dark money.
questionseverything
(11,836 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Like a duck.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)That's a phpBB forum. One can be set up and customized in an hour or less. The only cost to set one up is the cost of your web-hosting and a domain name. I only pay $2.99 a month for my hosting account which handles multiple websites. Of course you can pay much more if you haven't shopped hosting accounts...
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Like Bernie says social justice must take a back seat to economic justice (as if the two werent intertwined...).
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)That goes for free republic, discussionist, Old Elm Tree, and CC (both of them).
Enough already.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)DURHAM D
(33,054 posts)you over there, even in the secret room.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Sadly I spent a few minutes perusing that site and there was more than one post about Willy.
Even more sad though, is that you are privy to the 'secret room'. I will keep that in mind if I ever read any of your posts on here. The insight of knowing who hangs out at such a venomous and hate filled place is beneficial.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)They're running software that's old and vulnerable to some well-known exploits.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Granted, this is what you get when you choose a $20 managed hosting plan.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)What we know so far:
1) Communications with her server were not encrypted for the first 3 months.
https://www.venafi.com/blog/post/what-venafi-trustnet-tells-us-about-the-clinton-email-server/
2) They left the default VPN keys installed on her server
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/clinton-s-e-mail-system-built-for-privacy-though-not-security
3) They were using, and continue to use, self-signed SSL certificates
http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042
4) They set up a .com domain, enabling the typosquater who has registered clintonmail.com (no "e" before "mail"
5) Her ISP was repeatedly hacked by China
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=615632
砍死
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)There are now THREE topics in the ISSUES forum
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Theyre workin the over time over there!
840high
(17,196 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Crickets in the 'issues' forum.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)It's so nice and civil when they're gone. Blissful!
At least I know what I suspected all along is TRUE. I visited before the firewall and cleansing took place. Now we know what they really are. And it's not nice.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)They come in packs throughout the day to spread their Bernie hate around.
When they aren't here, it's quite noticeable and nice - like the DU of old. Peaceful, blissful, civil.
Many can't come back because they're on a time-out, so it will eventually become a raucous pit again, unless they stay on their new hate site. It fits them well.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)is proof of the alert gang stalking going on here.
Before anyone posts Skinner and EarlG's analysis of alerts tell them to break it down by groups rather than raw data and the Alert Truth will be as plain as day.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I've never alerted on anyone, EVER. You can't say that about your gang of what? 30?
And like Skinner said, if they're on Time-out, they deserve to be there.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)their time bashing this site and a majority of DUers. their credibility isn't all that great.
From the first and last time I will ever click on that site, I saw an actual ADMISSION that a DUer here, Cali to be precise, was deliberately provoked by one of the members of that awful site in order to get her a time out.
Hilarious that people who set up a site to bash this site, allow people to gloat about goading DUers so they can alert on them, and then whine that THEY are the ones being alert stalked despite the assurance of the admins that it just isn't happening.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and now it is apparent that they have (and probably never had) any respect for Skinner, DU or any of the rest of us.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Just have to be careful how you say things. It ain't hard.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)EDITED
mythology
(9,527 posts)Is evidence they are alert stalking Sanders supporters? If there was alert stalking going on, the people on on time out would be the ones who could claim to have been alert stalked. You don't get a time out for sending alerts. People who post in a boorish fashion get enough alerts to go on time out. It happens to both sides.
But even the raw numbers disprove alert stalking. If there there are generally fewer than 50 alerts, given that some are for obvious trolls, how are there enough alerts to qualify for stalking? Additionally given that in many of the times when Elad has posted the stats he includes if somebody was alerted on more than once. If there was targeted alert stalking, they are doing a really poor job.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)You want proof of alert stalking? Here you go:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=622710
And that proud prodder is on MIRT here. He himself is a MI so he should R himself from the T and the entire DU.
delrem
(9,688 posts)A fucking troll on MIRT is not enough.
artislife
(9,497 posts)It is the internet.
This forum, that forum, all are illusionary.
Very rarely does it mean anything in one's personal life.
Let it go.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)they still slow down to look.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I guess what I am trying to say, is don't take it to heart if someone is mean on the internet. One, you don't know them, they don't really know you. Two, they get off on creating an emotion in others. You don't get emotional, they stay flaccid.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to say I have all the 'right' enemies!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,516 posts)The bottom half of the page seems to be the template that hasn't been filled in. Not very professional - kind of like going out in public with your underwear showing.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)your post might be a tad disingenuous.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Cause that sounds like some pretty revolting behavior, all things considered.
I looked at that website once and it required registration and I did a cost-benefit analysis and decided against looking in on a place like that. I don't need that kind of drama.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The stuff about their site starts under reply #17. Has lovely quotes and screenshots, since they turned registration on after deciding they were getting too much attention.
George II posts over there with his plan to goad DU members into getting hides. And then celebrates when he does. Just the kind a person who should be on MIRT, right?
Seriously, the anger and emotional rage and hate are pretty extreme. Glad I didn't register. I don't need to see that kind of garbage.
MindfulOne
(227 posts)I registered and then was bounced without ever even posting.
The latest plans are to step up the hate against Bernie's wife, Jane, and to repeat the "socialist" meme, and they're plotting to rile us up using Monica Lewinski, who recently announced a anti-bullying campaign.
http://www.people.com/article/monica-lewinsky-anti-bullying-campaign-people-magazine
If we let ourselves get involved in that there will be lots of accusations of misogyny and alerts and hidden threads.
The alert stalking is real, but it's all they can do, it's best to just not engage or to kill them with kindness if we must reply at all.
polly7
(20,582 posts)questionseverything
(11,836 posts)once in a while a heart might be changed
MindfulOne
(227 posts)For now, try to rise above it and admit that we, too, are passionate, just about different candidates.
And let it go.
I didn't think it could get nastier, overall, than it was in 2007-8 but it's shaping up to be just as bad.
Citizens United and DWS did not help, and Clinton is more desperate this time around, it's truly her last and only shot.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Have you resigned from MIRT yet? You clearly are not objective and show yourself to be the Malicious Intruder you are supposed to be Removing.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If they're dissing me, at least somebody else is getting a rest.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I have most of them on ignore here anyway, so why would I go somewhere else only to discover that I need to ignore them there, too?
ornotna
(11,479 posts)not the least bit interested. This reply is about as worked up as I'm going to get about the goings on over there.
polly7
(20,582 posts)officially dissed.
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Alittleliberal
(528 posts)6 months of lying, distorting, a refusal to discuss issues, projection, hatred and swiftboating. Then they run off with their tails between their legs claiming to be the victims. Who does that sound like?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)They took their discussion off DU to get away from DU. Why bring it back to DU?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)while at the same time on DU complaining that they've been "alert stalked".
And because that is a reality that takes awhile to take in - and since it's happening now and is ongoing. This is all a process that's been ongoing for months and humans do have emotions. Sometimes a person just can't hold in the scream.
Remember the #berniesoblack joke?
Yah, that shit - the trolling.
It's not up to us to pretend that it didn't/doesn't exist. It's up to the trolls to put an end to it, since it's clearly orchestrated and even has its own forum, just like "the cave".
and... David Brock.
artislife
(9,497 posts)will be blissfully unaware and no one will bring any posts back. And soon they will recede from memory....and life will be completely joyful.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And when their time-outs expire, it's nice to know who they really are.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Pathetic and infantile.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)More like elementary school or even pre-school.
oasis
(53,689 posts)should first do some soul searching.
Relationships 101.
TM99
(8,352 posts)that have been abused and Sanders supporters at DU are the abusive husbands?!
Let's add that to the bullshit that y'all are slaves and Sanders supporters at DU are the slaveholders.
The hyperbolic victimhood would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing and offensive to, you know, the actual history of slavery or actual abused & battered spouses!
MoveIt
(399 posts)they have weaponized their offensive trolling.
That the poster above would try and invoke domestic abuse in the context of their planned disruptions to this site is beyond the pale, and is a good reinforcement of why I have that disgusting poster and all of it's freakish friends over there on full ignore.
oasis
(53,689 posts)words which serve to validate exactly what I alluding to in the metaphor.
polly7
(20,582 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)I hope you are so clueless as to have to fucking idea how offensive this is.
mccallen
(24 posts)And I think that website went too far and oasis went too far.
This is eye opening and not in a good way. Im starting to back away from Clinton now with her recent statements on higher education and repealing the Cadillac tax.
Both moves were wrong, and its starting to make me re-examine my choices.
Thanks for the eye opener.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)but in her defense, I believe most Democrats want to real the Cadillac tax. I could be wrong though. Its happened before.
oasis
(53,689 posts)site stalking offensive, which is the purpose of the OP.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Thats just sick.
oasis
(53,689 posts)My sister and I never got used to it. Over the years I have, on many occasions, stepped in to break up, or report on abusive situations.
When I was in the workforce, payroll deductions for safe houses were among my contributions to the Combined Federation Campaign each year.
The metaphor in my post upthread wasn't written from a ivory tower perspective. My heart goes out to anyone who has suffered abuse. I'm sorry for what you have endured in your relationship.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I try to approach everyone here with equanimity (or not at all, if I find them distasteful) so if someone has an issue with me, I'll have to assume it's totally unwarranted.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)while they're gone, cuz you know they'll be back. Their crappy little site won't get any traction, just like the Sensible Centrist Democrats for Progress is a big ol' loser.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... that if you've always wished that the HRC supporters would leave DU, congratulations! THEY HAVE!
Concerned that DU isn't as much fun as it used to be when you had HRC supporters to denigrate, belittle, demean, and alert on in hopes of yet another hide or time-out? Well, they've now moved elsewhere - but that doesn't mean you have to abandon your bashing of the Democratic front-runner - you simply have to post a link to their site and pretend that you still have control over what they post!
"See if they're dissin' you" - because that's what this election is really all about, who's dissin' who on the internetz! If BS supporters get dissed more often on a website than HRC supporters get dissed on DU - well, that's what will determine who is the next POTUS, make no mistake about it!
Do you ever wonder why some people, instead of taking advantage of their dominance of one website, find it necessary to link to another website and comment on what's being said there instead of here? Do you ever wonder why people made unwelcome on DU have created their own space to discuss their candidate-of-choice without being harassed - and why BS supporters can't stand the thought of people posting on a site they can't control?
Well, now's your chance to pretend that such things actually matter! Now's your golden opportunity to act like an HRC-supporting site has a god-damned nerve NOT joining The Cult! This is the time that try BS-supporters' souls - and an opportunity to link to the blasphemers' website so that they might be smitten with the sword of thy vengeance and exposed as non-believers!
For the movie version, I see Ben Affleck as the perpetually irate DUer who obsessively links to "non-Bernie sites" in an attempt to wake up the few hundred people who still post there, Julia Roberts as the HRC supporter who is harassed by on-line BS fanatics due to her refusal to drink the kool-aid, and Jeff Bridges - in a reprise of his role as "The Dude" - explaining how "Well, like that's just your opinion, man" has little to do with reality.
oasis
(53,689 posts)"Stellaaaaa.......Stellaaaa"
Btw see post #37
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I don't want them to leave DU, (...well, actually...yes, that too) I want them to leave the Democratic party and take the Clintons with them.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... the Clinton supporters all leave the party, what do the rest of you that are left plan to do - all twelve of you?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I thought that was obvious.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... why don't you start a political party based on that platform, and those parameters for membership?
And then what do you plan to do - all twelve of you?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Also, there are more than twelve of us; there's clearly enough us to make Hillary's coronation more of a horse race than Clintonbots are comfortable with...it's why your Goldwater Girl and her campaign staff of RW ideologues are shitting themselves and worrying why they can't make the "Socialist" label, the "Jew" label or the "Racist" label stick against a real progressive offering real solutions and real change.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)"Hillary's coronation", "Goldwater Girl", "campaign staff of RW ideologues" - what a non-creative use of the usual worn-out cliches!
In case you don't read the polls, HRC is the front-runner, and BS is still a very distant second. So no one is "shitting themselves and worrying" about anything.
840high
(17,196 posts)i bother reading - you used to be interesting.
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)When was that?
reddread
(6,896 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)
This man is not a Democrat; he's just deluded enough to think he is.

Neither is this one.

Certainly not this guy.

Or this woman.
Actually, it doesn't seem that Sec. Clinton has many friends that aren't actually Pretender Democrats.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)why because they are the problem, the corporate/conservative/DLC DEMs are the ones holding the party back, they are the ones who always F-up good legislation.
Yeah, Yeah Yeah big tent and all that jazz but the big tent needs to EXCLUDE the corporatists and those beholden to wall street, let those that do join the GOP or another party.
Lets pretend that HRC does get the Democratic Party nomination, if she does, we will see the LOWEST voter turn out in history and people will sit home, vote for someone else and many will leave the Democratic Party to the great delight to her supporters.
As long as the corporatists are in the democratic party the perception of uniparty will continue further discouraging people to vote why because it is pointless when both the R and D have the same agendas of doing Wall Streets bidding..
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)Right now, the majority of the Party supports Hillary - and you think they should all leave?
Hmmm ... doesn't sound like something a Democrat would say.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The fresh air left behind on DU is exhilarating. Enjoy your new site. I truly mean that.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And I guess it wasn't about anything until it was noted over here on DU that the "Issues" forum at the Clinton Cave wasn't open for posting an entire month after all the hate began to be spewed in numerous other forums there.
Even this post of yours over here is full of hate. So sad.
Do you ever wonder why supporters of a candidate who is less popular on a particular website have the need to go make another website for the sole purpose of spewing their hatred of those who support the candidate who is more popular on that first website? Do you ever wonder why they never discuss issues (as noted above) and choose to attempt to smear the opposing candidate and that candidate's supporters? Do you ever wonder why you get things so damn wrong all the time? Do you ever tire of being an apologist? How sad that you are actually defending such vile hatred. Even more pathetic that you are participating in it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)revmclaren
(2,613 posts)I just posted the following on my Facebook page
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Hillary supporter online and drive them off the Internet completely. Or something like that. Wait, what's the point of this thread again?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Here on DU, we seem to have some members that are obsessed with a site that's pro-Hillary.
Go figure.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But thanks for trying.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)applegrove
(132,207 posts)think these are not just attempts by the right to shut Hillary supporters up on the DU? I haven't gone to either site I was invited to. But what makes you think these are really the Hillary supporters they claim to be? Seems to me there is no way to know. Why two sites? Do more than two entities want Hillary supporters to have another place? If I sign up there at give my du name will they put cookies in my computer that can garner my real name and address so they can write me a letter? We don't know what is up with the two sites. Reeks of gaslight ing. I suggest we stick to the DU. There is a Hillary group on the DU for her supporters to go get some supportive responses, unmolested by Bernie folk.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)applegrove
(132,207 posts)with the DU Hillary group. At least that is being moderated and owned by people we know and trust.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)an excellent point!
applegrove
(132,207 posts)knows what reindeer games are going on outside in ways Skinner cannot mitigate. I also alert anytime someone invites me to leave the DU.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I have most of them on ignore anyway, why would I go somewhere else only to decide to ignore them there?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)If the poster above is claiming DU is all that matters, they should consider the same people appear in both places.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Not sure what point you are trying to make when they are the ones proudly claiming the site as their "safe haven" for spewing hatred. They don't want to stay on DU because they can't be assholes here. Well, not as candidly.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)alerted on even though posts were within those groups.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Don't think you can lob shit bombs from your protected sanctuary and get away with it. Then you'll be fine.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And by the way, there are at least 100 Hillary forums on the internet, we are only one of those.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)At least I can see the posts on that site.
Then again, since nobody else can see the posts on their private and exclusive club I really don't care. It kind of sums up the kind of world they want to live in.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)their narrow views on this website, so it figures they would have the same country club attitude on their website. Good riddance. Feel the Bern.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...a shame the way this election is developing. (regarding the animosity factor)
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)No need to spend time there.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)MineralMan
(151,259 posts)It's a meta post about some other website. I can't see how it belongs in this forum.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)MineralMan
(151,259 posts)There are also a couple of locked threads, one locked by an administrator of DU. I'm not a host at this time, so I have no real input into that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)MineralMan
(151,259 posts)That's how DU works. I also stated my view publicly, and you're replying to that. I will continue to do so, and you're welcome to disagree.
polly7
(20,582 posts)everything's fine then.
MineralMan
(151,259 posts)I'll continue to use mine freely, and encourage others to do the same.
DU is not my website. I'm just a participant here. If things don't go the way I'd prefer, I don't complain about that. I just keep posting, as always.
polly7
(20,582 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)chose to start a whole other site where they bash DU and its members but then return here to use a site they apparently despise. Which is what this OP is about.
I have never belonged to a site that bashes DU nor would I remain on any site whose main purpose is to bash Democrats.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)"OMG, did you hear what the mean girls over there said about you???"
"I hate them, they are so ugly!!!"
"And did you see their home page?, yuck!!"
oasis
(53,689 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Response to WillyT (Original post)
Hiraeth This message was self-deleted by its author.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)were more than enough for me.
Wouldn't go back on a bet.
pinstikfartherin
(500 posts)Seriously, I am sick of this crap. Both sides need to STFU and act like adults. There are plenty of us here that don't have a dog in this idiotic fight, whether we support Bernie or Hillary, and don't want to come here to see this every day.
I'm trashing this forum, and I hope those like me will do the same. I'll leave it to you guys. Have fun.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Wonder if this is from the same people who brought us Hillary is 44.com?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I am accused of being a right wing troll
they just forgot to post the linky winks!
Lancero
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I'll translate on request, though it shouldn't be to hard to figure out what their message means.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)That site has 106 "Democrats" registered. And a handful of rabid fools.
I've found a good way to deal with this sort of crap is to ignore it. That's why FOX is blocked on my TV, Hillary Clinton Forum is trashed on DU, and that site is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
My guess is that most are actually conservatives just trying to agitate.
neverforget
(9,513 posts)Keep it classy, HCS! Speaks volumes of what kind of people they are.
polly7
(20,582 posts)PatrickforO
(15,424 posts)But only political pub. The rest of the rooms are open.
Funny, that. I guess they wanted another 'safe haven.'
polly7
(20,582 posts)There was all sorts of stalkeryish, ugly crap in there to see before they locked it up tight.