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[BlueWaveDem]

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[99th_Monkey]

1. Hillary is Wall Streets' Wet Dream candidate

She can operate as a Democrat, thus pre-emptively neutering the massive Democratic
blow-back that a Republican would get, if they tried to further deregulate Wall St., or pass
the TPP into law.

And Hillary's already in-the-bag for the banksters, unlike any other candidate in the
Dem. Primary; and unlike Obama, who keeps having to be "brought along" to fall in line
with the Wall St. agenda, hit & miss.

[BlueWaveDem]

2. Ridiculous. But with that much nonsense

You obviously won't be voting for her, so I won't even waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.

[think]

4. I would guess Webb is pretty solid on keeping the status quo on Wall St.

Can't say that for sure but he doesn't come across as a Warren wing Dem.....

[99th_Monkey]

7. That could be. I've never considered Webb a serious 2016 contender

so i haven't bothered to scope out his positions.

[Scootaloo]

3. Yes, let's set the record straight.

What is the basis of your belief that Bernie Sanders is "Israel's #1 Shill"?

[BlueWaveDem]

8. What! That post got hidden?!

It violated absolutely no terms of service, nor was it a personal attack on a poster. Pure evidence that anyone who dissents from Bernie is actively being targeted by Bernie supporters on this forum.

[Scootaloo]

9. What was your logic behind the accusation?

As for the hide, you're notified of any hidden posts. Big yellow banner on the top of your screen, letting you know you have a new message in your inbox.

[BlueWaveDem]

11. Why was that hidden? It violated no TOS.

That is beyond belief and there is no doubt Bernie supporters are targeting dissenting voices.

[beam me up scottie]

12. Violations include "any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans".

[BlueWaveDem]

16. And I made no such assertion.

Its a bs hide and you know it. We're allowed to critique candidates. I've seen far worse claims made about Hil and no one alerted. BS BS BS.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Having a tantrum won't change the facts.

You still haven't explained why you accused Bernie of being Israel's #1 shill.

Where is the evidence for your claim?

[BlueWaveDem]

19. Sorry, but after you're trying to accuse me of some bullshit

You will get no further info from me. I'm sure the alert police are waiting in the wings.

Ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Then explain why you accused Bernie of being Israel's #1 shill.

[BlueWaveDem]

22. Bye bye.

[beam me up scottie]

23. That's what I thought.

[BlueWaveDem]

32. Good.

And thanks for keeping this thread up top.

[demwing]

34. Take it up with the owners

They wrote the TOS, and they created the Jury system at DU. You agreed to the rules when you created an account, and you broke the rules.

Personally, I don't care why you wrote what you wrote, but I am interested to see you take pains to avoid responsibility for your actions. It tells other users what kind of poster you are, and that's very helpful in an anonymous forum.

[BlueWaveDem]

37. I violated no TOS.

[sibelian]

64. Your condition here is consequent on your conduct. Nothing else.

Nobody posting here is stupid. We are divided roughly into two camps, people who understand that nobody posting here is stupid and a small, hardcore band that wants to think they aren't and everyone else is.

[NorthCarolina]

74. LOL

Poorest example of avoiding the subject I have ever seen bar none. You made a stupid statement and you have absolutely no way and no idea of how to back it up so you run away.

If YOUR fact that Bernie is Israels #1 shill, and you had ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER to back your asinine claim you would have served it up immediately instead of your little pout fest.

I assume you only said that because Bernie is jewish; anti-semite much?

[BlueWaveDem]

75. Oy! I am Jewish.

Feel free to edit your smear, but I doubt you're sincerity to do so.

[beam me up scottie]

77. Why would a Jewish person accuse Bernie of being Israel's #1 shill?

You still haven't given us the basis for your claim.

If you want people to stop calling you out over that explain you posted it to begin with.

[beam me up scottie]

80. 1) Yes you do because I already posted the portion of the TOS you violated

2) Your anti-Semitic hidden post is evidence

3) See #2, they're not baseless

[BlueWaveDem]

83. no, I don't.

I lost my privilege to respond on that thread, so now I am not obligated to respond here. just know that you're accusing a person who is Jewish of being an anti-semite. Bye bye.

[beam me up scottie]

86. The only thing I'm accusing you of is making an anti-Semitic claim about Bernie.

If you don't like what people are saying about you now's the time to clear up the confusion, just explain where you got the information that made you claim Bernie is Israel's #1 shill.

It's pretty simple and if I were being accused of saying something bigoted I know I'd want to correct the record.

Things like that have a way of coming back to bite you on DU.

[NorthCarolina]

79. There's no proof, that's obvious

It's just a desperate attempt to attack Bernie by any means necessary. Fling a ton of shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks. That's whats going on here. I wouldn't waste my time with this poster if I were you, you'll get nowhere I guarantee because they got bumpkiss.

[beam me up scottie]

82. All she has to do is explain why she said that.

If I wanted to claim Hillary was Israel's #1 shill I'd post evidence to prove my assumption.

For someone who claims to be in law school they've repeatedly failed to make their case.

[BlueWaveDem]

91. I know my rights.

And don't owe you any explanation.

[beam me up scottie]

92. Then don't complain when people bring up your hidden post.

If you explain your reasoning or walk it back I promise I'll never bring it up again.

[BlueWaveDem]

99. Bring it up all you like.

I was complaining about it being hidden, not about bringing it up. I'm glad the post was brought to my attention. And again, I don't have to explain anything. But I will explain this: the jury fucked up. Oh well, like I said, I won't appeal and don't really care all that much. All it proves is some people would rather alert than discuss. Whatever.

[beam me up scottie]

100. You didn't get a notice telling you your post was hidden?

You really do need to bring this up to Skinner, it sounds like a conspiracy.

[BlueWaveDem]

103. I see it now in my inbox.

Must've hit dismiss on that yellow bar thinking it was another "you've reached __ posts". Like I said: whatever.

[BlueWaveDem]

89. Double down. Still no edit.

[BlueWaveDem]

101. Haha! Which arguments are you referring to?

[BlueWaveDem]

104. Haha! You accused ME.

I'm the one who posted the op. Now I'm caught up responding to Bernie supporters who don't want to discuss the issue. Kinda ruins your narrative.

[NorthCarolina]

81. Yeah, I'm sure

and I'm the Jolly Green Giant...Ho Ho Ho

A "Jew" calling Bernie "Israel's #1 shill" Uh, ok....whatever you say boss

[BlueWaveDem]

93. So now you're accusing a Jew of anti-semitism and denying my Jewishness.

Careful, that's a slippery slope. And like 70% of American Jews, I'm a liberal who doesn't equate Israel with Judaism. Israel is more than Jews. I've been there 4 times in my life so far.

[Scootaloo]

14. Are you going to explain the logic of your accusation, BlueWaveDem?

[BlueWaveDem]

26. I could've in the other thread, but...

Instead of asking, I was alerted on. You had your chance. Looks like instead of a discussion people would rather alert.

[Fawke Em]

30. Because it was a bigoted accusation.

My husband is a non-practicing Jew whose family immigrated from Poland (on his mother's side). Is he an Israeli shill, too?

[BlueWaveDem]

33. Israel is a country, not a religion.

[Fawke Em]

56. We know that, but you don't seem to.

My first husband is Palestinian and a non-practicing Muslim. My husband now is a non-practicing Jew whose family immigrated from Poland.

Meaning, of course, that my non-practicing Muslim ex is from "Israeli/Palestine," but my non-practicing Jewish husband is from outside of that region.

However, calling someone who happens to be Jewish an "Israeli shill" is bigoted BECAUSE it assumes that their religion will drive their loyalties.

Get it, yet?

[BlueWaveDem]

71. Nonsense.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it. Anyone can be a shill for anything.

[artislife]

47. Gee you have been here less than a month

And you feel that your group are targeted.

Maybe this isn't the most accommedating site for you.
There is a great one for Hillary supporters, where they can post to their hearts content. You may not know of it , since you are so new ( ) You can pm anyone in the Hillary group to get the location. I am sure that they will welcome ( ) you with open arms.

[Bobbie Jo]

63. And you've been here less than three.

Too funny.

btw...

it's accommodating.

This person can post here to their heart's content.

Pushy.

[artislife]

69. Oh, its you!!

How are you?

I remember us so well.

You should help her, you know all the tricks!

[eggplant]

85. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Gee you have been here less than a month
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644170

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Concern/Mocking troll. Please stop the trolling of other DUers, what a welcoming bunch we are.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:42 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This entire thread is a clusterf*ck of trolling. This particular posting is no worse than the rest of it. Nuke the thread, or let them bicker.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: All this coming from a poster who's been here less than THREE months? Not hide-worthy, sadly, but this poster should be embarrassed as hell.

- OilemFirchen
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What would my day be without another alert on a Bernie supporter?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

87. Good jury! Thanks for posting the results.

[artislife]

95. I like the outcome and I am not embarrassed to say that! Nt

[beam me up scottie]

10. Didn't you read the TOS when you agreed to it?

No bigoted hate speech.

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists

Accusing Bernie of being Israel's #1 shill is a violation of the TOS.

There are plenty of other sites that welcome that kind of bigotry, DU is not one of them.

[BlueWaveDem]

13. No it's not. No one asserted disloyalty.

It's bs and has been exposed for the bullying it is. I am a Jewish women from Brooklyn.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Accusing Bernie of being Israel's shill is anti-Semitic.

I don't care what you say you are.

[BlueWaveDem]

18. Yeaaah ooookay.

Israel and Judaism are mutually exclusive. There are plenty of Christians and Muslims in Israel as well. Nothing to do with anti-semetism. Ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Then explain why you accused a Jewish Senator of being Israel's #1 shill.

[Persondem]

25. Geezus. Talk about hijacking a thread. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

27. They asked for an explanation of their hidden post and I provided one.

Do you agree with that poster?

[Persondem]

31. Wrong. You started of on your diversion with post #3 linked to below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=643991

You need to back it down.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Bullshit, I replied to post #8:

BlueWaveDem (315 posts)

8. What! That post got hidden?!

It violated absolutely no terms of service, nor was it a personal attack on a poster. Pure evidence that anyone who dissents from Bernie is actively being targeted by Bernie supporters on this forum.
Vote me for Senate 2030. Girl power!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644020

beam me up scottie (35,726 posts)

10. Didn't you read the TOS when you agreed to it?

No bigoted hate speech.

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists


Accusing Bernie of being Israel's #1 shill is a violation of the TOS.

There are plenty of other sites that welcome that kind of bigotry, DU is not one of them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644059

[Persondem]

44. You are correct. I got you mixed up with the initial diverter.

You just continued with the diversion. Guess you two don't like the premise of the OP.

[beam me up scottie]

46. No, what I don't like is anti-Semitism and those that defend its use here.

[BlueWaveDem]

51. Hey we can agree on that.

Which is why I did no such thing. But you'll probably keep accusing anyway.

Ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

55. It's in the TOS and a jury found your post anti-Semitic.

Take it up with Skinner in ATA if you think it was unfair.

Please.

[BlueWaveDem]

57. Ridiculous.

Jury fucked that up completely. But I have a feeling they did so on purpose.

[beam me up scottie]

59. Complain to Skinner in ATA. And explain to him why you called Bernie Israel's #1 shill too.

[BlueWaveDem]

66. I don't care enough to "complain" for an appeal. Whatever.

[beam me up scottie]

68. But if you believe you've been treated unfairly you really should, he's very understanding.

[BlueWaveDem]

73. It's ok. I'll survive.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

107. Of course they did

I get alerted on constantly, and often the jurors are very clear that they are voting for hides because they'd prefer the DU. to only be welcoming to the hard-left.

Skinner's jury system is ripe for abuse, and it is. Constantly.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ Note: while I'm a Hillary supporter, I completely disagree with you both on Sanders and on Israel. However, what you wrote is absolutely 100% not something to be hidden. It's your opinion.

// The amount of unhidden insults directed at Hillary by Sander's DUers (including, ironically enough, bashing Hillary because she is in favor of Israel being able to defend itself) shows that hiding has nothing to do with civility, and everything to do with the hate-filled rage these people feel. My advice: ignore them.

[artislife]

49. hmm. nt

[BlueWaveDem]

41. I know, right.

[Fawke Em]

43. It's not a hijacking.

The poster got a hide for bigotry and can't seem to understand how she was bigoted.

BMUS is just attempting to explain to her how calling someone a shill for Israel without providing a shred of proof is bigoted.

[Persondem]

53. NONE of this has anything to do with the OP. That is the very definition

of thread hijacking. I'm done. Please continue with your ignoring of the fact that Sanders supporters are making shit up about Clinton.

[beam me up scottie]

65. Making shit up about candidates? Like when HC supporters accused Bernie of

being a racist, a gun nut, a Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thinks that orgasms prevent cancer?

And admitted that they think he's a racist in a poll?

Like that?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

84. Proof that a simple majority of DUers wanted you to shut the fuck up with the anti semitism.

[demmiblue]

24. Wow, disgusting... but not surprising.

There is a very small faction of Clinton supporters that have no problem with anti-semitism.

[BlueWaveDem]

29. I'm a Jew, you're accusing me of anti-semetism? Should I alert on YOU?

That's a personal attack. TOS violation.

[demmiblue]

38. Lol!

[BlueWaveDem]

39. A typical "mature" response.

[demmiblue]

40. Lol!

[BlueWaveDem]

45. Are you actually rolling on the floor laughing?

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Then fucking alert on it and stop talking about it.

[BlueWaveDem]

54. Why don't you alert on it? You cool with posters smearing others?

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. I'm not the one accusing others of violating TOS. You are.

Grow some skin.

[BlueWaveDem]

60. Your silence is your consent.

And the people who need to "grow some skin" are the ones who alerted on my post. Whatever.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Yeah. And Her speech is her interview. Heard that stupid shit before.

Like I said, grow some skin. I've seen thicker skin on grapes. If you believe someone personally attacked you and violated TOS in doing so, it's on YOU to alert it. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

[BlueWaveDem]

70. Perhaps I'm waiting for poster to refute...

Like a decent human being. Also, it's bizarre you're telling me to grow thicker skin, I'm not the one who is accusing another person of "anti-semetism".

[Fawke Em]

50. If you really don't understand the difference, maybe you need to

mature a bit yourself.

[OilemFirchen]

90. And the Goysplaining begins.

As predicted months ago by yours truly.

To the alerters: "Goy" is not an epithet. Save yourselves the time.

[BooScout]

6. Thanks for this!

Some great information here! Welcome to DU!

[Persondem]

28. Nice post. Thank you. K & R.

I have seen the BS version used in another new thread.

[99Forever]

36. Smells like manipulated bullshit.

Because it is manipulated bullshit. Figures lie and lies figure. "The are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Hillary Clinton, the .01%'s Favorite "Democrat."

But keep on pretending We the People are stupid, it's certain to be a winning strategy.

[artislife]

52. Isn't the source just a H front? nt

[99Forever]

61. Yes it is.

In typical Camp Weathervane style, they think they can run bullshit by informed Democrats and we won't notice. Tone deaf and clueless, hallmarks of neoliberal politicians and their supporters.

[BlueWaveDem]

76. No, the Federal Elections Commission is not an "H front".

[BlueWaveDem]

48. It's cool how the crowd who claims they want to "talk issues"

Have absolutely nothing to say about the issues.

[artislife]

67. I putting you on ignore

You may want to see what that means, since you are so new.
It may help you isolate out those posters who are victimizing you. Then the DU will seem so much friendlier.

Or you can use it when you think someone is boring, repetative or lacking logic.

It is an all purpose tool.

You can find it in the right hand corner!


And welcome to DU!

[BlueWaveDem]

72. You're putting me on ignore because of this op?

Ok. I don't think we've ever interacted before. Thanks for the welcome though.

[Armstead]

88. I don't have a slide rule handy

... and I'm taking a break from making a living at the moment, so dont have time to dig out links and stuff but...

I am sure Cinton has gotten her fair share of donations from the "little people" who simply want to support her campaign because they like her.

But all evidence I have seen about Clinton's fund raising machine, and the networks of PACS and Super PACS are wayyyyyyy too cozy with the banksters and Big Conglomerates for my comfort.

I think she and Bill are dug into that scene way too deep for her to be an autonomous force for good in the WH, and we'd soon see the likes of the same bunco artists who set the stage for crashing the economy that have always been associated with DLC Third Wat Corporate Democrats.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. how about that private prison lobbyist $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?

And Hillary's promise (totally unrelated, I'm sure) to throw 10 Billion more dollars at the drug war?