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[Scootaloo]

1. You're making me believe in reincarnation.

[Duckhunter935]

2. Keep posting carefully selected

Content and the big lie becomes the truth

[Scootaloo]

5. I just get strong memories of posters of Sanders-slander past...

[djean111]

4. Me too.

And - Hillary seems to like war. Which is guns. And bombs. And things that kill lots and lots of people.
"Muscular".

No comparison. No thanks. And, I think this particular little obsession is not going to gain even one more supporter for hawkish Hillary.

And I hear ya about reincarnation.

[BlueWaveDem]

8. Oh, and Bernie also voted for war.

Thanks for reminding me.

[djean111]

12. He voted to fund supplying the soldiers who were put in harm's way.

He was never, and will never, approach Hillary's zest for war.
Who cares if you are reminded of anything? You don't actually affect anyone's choice of a candidate to support.

[BlueWaveDem]

18. OK.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

[Duckhunter935]

13. Proof?

[BlueWaveDem]

14. Bernie didn't vote for Afghanistan War?

Check again.

[artislife]

86. We might need to call a priest. nt

[TM99]

3. Graphic source?

This is nothing new or startling in its revelation. Neither he nor his supporters are 'trying to hide his past'. He has one of the most transparent and consistent voting records of any candidate ever.

You do realize that two F's, two D's and one C- we still average a fail with the NRA right?

So Sanders is moderate on guns. For a few Democrats who want complete eradication of all guns from our culture, that will be a problem. But for most of the voting public, it is not.

[Jurassic Fiend]

7. It appears on the bottom

something called thetrace.org

[BlueWaveDem]

10. Don't know original source. Taken from social media.

But his voting records are public domain.

[Duckhunter935]

11. From one of Bloombergs groups

Nice of you to post his propaganda

[BlueWaveDem]

15. It's not propaganda if it's true.

It's called facts.

[Duckhunter935]

22. Only partly

As with most propaganda, they post only selected parts that support their narrative. They fail to post other parts that do not.

[BlueWaveDem]

24. Uh, that chart also shows his votes not siding with NRA.

This is the complete list. Not propaganda.

[Duckhunter935]

29. Not the complete list I assure you

He has been in the house for decades and most gun legislation is tied to other bills. I bet he has voted hundreds of times on legislation that had gun provisions in it.

[BlueWaveDem]

58. Where's your list?

[Duckhunter935]

61. Since a majority are embedded

In larger legislation and budgets I think to get an accurate full list is just about impossible.

[Armstead]

6. Oh that Bernie. He luves them guns.

[safeinOhio]

9. On every issue

Both Clinton and Sanders voting record are 100% better than any Repub running.

Riptide Dems need to chill.

[bobbobbins01]

16. So you show that he has an F rating...

And say Bernie chooses to lie about having an F rating. I don't get it.

[last1standing]

17. How do you feel about Hillary's vote that caused the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people?

Do you think the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people was a fair exchange so that she could look tough on TV?

[last1standing]

20. Of course we all knew then that Iraq wasn't involved in 9/11 or harbor those who were.

Bernie sure did, and said so.

So what do you think of Hillary voting to slaughter 224,000 innocent brown people in a war based on greed, lies, bigotry, and political posturing?

Do you support that?

[BlueWaveDem]

23. Bernie. Voted. For. War. And. Guns.

[last1standing]

28. Why won't you discuss Hillary's vote for a war that slaughtered 224,000 innocent brown people?

You seem to be fixated on words without context when it comes to Bernie but have no interest in the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people.

Why won't you acknowledge the 224,000 innocent brown people who are dead because of Hillary's vote?

[Duckhunter935]

31. Be careful, the insults and name calling

Comes when they are provided with facts counter to their positions they can not defend.

[BlueWaveDem]

34. Not from me. No insults or name calling.

Although I've been called plenty of names here. Just yesterday I was called an "anti-semite", even though I'm Jewish, practice Judaism, and live in Brooklyn.

[Fawke Em]

40. Because calling a Jewish senator Israel's No. 1 shill without providing

proof is bigoted.

You still don't get this?

[Duckhunter935]

44. Thank you that is

Good to know but sadly not the norm.

[BlueWaveDem]

32. Why won't you stay on topic?

Or start your own.

I don't get it. The other day on a similar post, everyone supported Bernie's gun votes. Where are the supporters now?

[last1standing]

35. Weren't we talking about gun deaths? Many of those 224,000 brown people died from guns.

Hillary voted to send thousands of guns and bombs over to Iraq to slaughter innocent brown people. Are those lives less important for some reason? If so, why?

Please tell me if you believe those slaughtered 224,000 innocent brown people, killed by guns and bombs sent because of Hillary's vote, are less important than others.

[BlueWaveDem]

41. "Brown people". You mean humans?

Go hijack some other thread. And while you're at it, America has 33,000 gun deaths a year. Math.

[last1standing]

43. Hillary seems to support wars against brown people. Iraq, Libya, Iran, Sryia.....

Hard to hide the fact that she voted for a war that slaughtered 224,000 innocent brown people. Why do you think her sabre rattling is always against brown people?

Real question.

[BlueWaveDem]

48. Bernie does too. And guns.

[last1standing]

52. The record shows that Hillary supported a war that slaughtered 224,000 innocent brown people.

It also shows Bernie didn't.

Why do you think Hillary supported a war that slaughtered 224,000 innocent brown people?

[BlueWaveDem]

56. See post 30.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=646375

[Ed Suspicious]

57. +1

Great point.

[Duckhunter935]

26. Bet you hear the sound

Of crickets

[BlueWaveDem]

33. Sound of crickets > sound of guns.

[last1standing]

37. Yes, the sound of guns slaughtering 224,000 innocent brown people in Iraq.

Hillary voted for that, you know. Is that not important for some reason?

[BlueWaveDem]

45. I guess not important enough for you to start your own op about it.

It's only important that you hijack a thread on a completely different topic. Go on, show us how important it is to you by starting your own op.

[last1standing]

50. I did start an OP on Hillary voting to slaughter 224,000 innocent brown people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251643234

I guess it wasn't important enough to you to look at it.


Why do you think that an OP on the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people never caught your attention?

[BlueWaveDem]

53. Surely no innocent brown people have died from guns in America.

Your hypocrisy is showing.

[last1standing]

59. So you have no answer on why you missed the OP about 224,000 slaughtered brown people in Iraq?

You suggested I post one, which I had already done long ago. But you never bothered to read about 224,000 slaughtered needlessly.

Why were you not interested in that post about 224,000 slaughtered needlessly? Do you not like to be exposed to facts that show your candidate in a bad light, even when they are stated in context and without embellishment?

Senator Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution that authorized the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people. That is unembellished fact. Do you support her in that decision? If so, why?

[BlueWaveDem]

62. Bernie voted for war. And guns.

See post 30. He voted for more military operations than Hillary ever has. Starting in 1993.

[last1standing]

66. You're still not answering why you support a polititian who voted to needlessly slaughter Iraqis.

Why won't you tell us all why you support a candidate who voted to slaughter 224,000 innocent brown people?

Why won't you tell us why you missed a thread about 224,000 needlessly slaughtered that you suggested I post?

[BlueWaveDem]

70. I should probably post this list on your op

But that would be hijacking. Something you seem to have no problem with.

[last1standing]

72. Please do. People should know that Bernie has a good record on guns.

And I can counter by asking you why you support a candidate who voted for the largest slaughter of innocent brown people by US troops in the 21st Century just so she could look tough on TV.

Why do you support a candidate who voted for the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people?

[BlueWaveDem]

73. And I gave you an extensive list of military operations Bernie has supported.

Including his support for "slaughtering brown people" in Afghanistan.

A "good record on guns". How many "brown people" have died from guns in America? Yet you call it a "good record"?

[last1standing]

76. But only Hillary supported the needless slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people.

Why won't you acknowledge that Hillary supported the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people so that she could look tough on TV?

She's your candidate. Surely, you knew that she supported the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people in a war based on greed, lies, bigotry, and political posturing, didn't you?

Didn't you?

[last1standing]

78. So you refuse to discuss the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people?

Why do you refuse to acknowledge the slaughter of 224,000 innocent brown people so that Hillary could look tough on TV?

[last1standing]

82. We're talking about gun deaths supported by candidates. Hillary supported 224,000 slaughtered by IWR

Plenty of guns and bombs in Iraq because of that war.

I wonder why you don't want to talk about those gun deaths.

Why don't you want to talk about 224,000 innocent brown people slaughtered by guns and bombs approved by Hillary Clinton's vote on IWR?

[Duckhunter935]

87. 2/3 are suicide

What laws do you want to prevent those?

[TM99]

25. Nice parroting

but H.J. Res. 64 is NOT comparable to H.J. Res. 114.

You know this but your candidate is the hawk so keep up the bullshit.

[BlueWaveDem]

30. Riiiight.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEAvote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

Bernie also didn't object to having his name included - by unanimous consent - in S.498, which backed Israel's brutal, summer-long military assault against Gaza.

Some time after, Bernie was berated by his supporters at a town hall meeting for supporting Israel, an exchange that included Sanders screaming at the audience to "shut up" and threatening them with police force.

Later that year, Bernie came out in favor of airstrikes against ISIS. He is also in favor of shipping armaments to the Kurds in Iraq for the purpose of fighting off terror groups, a failed strategy that the Obama administration implemented with the Syrian "rebels" some years prior. "I think we should arm them," Sanders said during a CNN interview. "Even that's a difficult issue - to make sure that the people that we arm today don't turn against us tomorrow. But I think providing arms for those people who we can trust and providing air support is in fact something we should be doing."

This includes 'no' votes, so I won't be accused of cherry picking.

[TM99]

36. Nice cut & paste Gish Gallop!

Sanders is not a pacificist. He has been measured and reasonable with what resolutions he has supported militarily. By and far they are nothing compared to Clinton. This cut & paste does not show a hawk.

He is also a huge supporter of US Military Veterans in a way that few congress people have been ever.

[BlueWaveDem]

39. Of course it's cut and paste. OF HIS VOTING RECORD.

Sorry I didn't take the time to manually type it. Let he who has never cut and pasted caste the first stone.

[Duckhunter935]

46. Let's see hers

[BlueWaveDem]

49. Go forth into the world and do it!

[TM99]

54. Dude or dudette, we are quite familiar with his voting

record.

You know if I actually believed you were a real person, I might ask you to summarize it with salient points.

Funny how all of your posts are just cut and paste jobs against or for candidates.

So what are your thoughts on Milley Cyrus breastfeeding a pitbull at the Olive Garden?

[BlueWaveDem]

55. This is my first cut and paste post.

You must have me confused with someone else. 99.99% of my posts are not c&p. But lets make that the issue.

[TM99]

69. Cut and paste

also includes links to Pacs, SuperPACs, and other Clinton sites plus media sites as well. You are all partisan positioning and no substance of debate or discussion.

[hrmjustin]

21. Thank you for posting.

[Fawke Em]

27. "Instant background checks" isn't NRA wobble words.

The FBI collects and stores information on nearly every crime and/or criminal in this country from every police department from the LAPD to poedunk USA.

Gun retailers having instant access to that information isn't impossible. It does cost some money, but it's very doable.

The problem is money, as it usually is. The NRA doesn't want to help fund something like that.

You also run afoul of HIPAA violations as it relates to mental health records, but that isn't going to change whether the check is instant or a week from now. Mental health records are private, protected information. The only way to make them public is a court order OR for a judge to rule on the competency of an individual in a court of law where information is public.

[PatrickforO]

38. OK. So we should take a few pro-NRA votes and use them as rationale to turn

against a candidate who:

Advocates taxing the $2+ trillion in corporate profits held offshore and untaxed.
Advocates lifting the payroll cap on Social Security to ensure it stays permanently solvent.
Advocates free tuition to the baccalaureate level at state colleges.
Wants to take aggressive steps to mitigate climate change.
Wants to institute a medicare for all Americans single payer system.
Wants to use the buying power of this single payer system to drive drug costs down.
Advocates raising minimum wage to $15/hr.
Strongly backs unions.
Has the backs of veterans.

Hmm. I think not.

Still supporting Bernie, thank you very much.

[99Forever]

47. Blah blah blah.

Keep flinging that shit and hoping some might stick. Hasn't worked yet.

But guess what it leaves you smelling like?




:smellslikedoodoo:

[BlueWaveDem]

51. Thank you for adding nothing but insults to the conversation.

Looking forward to your TED talk. Btw, are you really rolling on the floor laughing?

[99Forever]

68. Insulting Senator Sanders and his supporters is your one trick.

I'm laughing at the fool with poo all over their hands.

[AtomicKitten]

60. Barack Obama: "Hillary talking like she's Annie Oakley"

Candidate Obama on Hillary's Pro-Gun Pander Circa 2008:

[BlueWaveDem]

63. It's a bizarre tactic to deflect from the topic at hand.

You are more than free to start your own op about it. This one is about voting record, not rhetoric.

[AtomicKitten]

67. .

[Snotcicles]

74. Hillary supporters should give pause before attacking Bernie Sanders on that Brady Bill vote.

[Duckhunter935]

65. The weathervane

Has rotated since then and she recently evolved. At least until she needs the rural votes.

[AtomicKitten]

71. exactly

[WIProgressive88]

64. Bernie is, overall, solid on gun control.

Do I think he's perfect on the issue? Not at all, but I'm also not looking for a perfect candidate with whom I am always going to agree; that candidate doesn't exist. The bottom line is that Bernie is right far more often than he is not, and he is correct on more issues than any of the other candidates, and that is what I'm looking for; not perfection. Not every vote Bernie has taken has been correct in my mind, and it does not weaken my support for him to acknowledge that.

[Duckhunter935]

75. Well stated

[MindfulOne]

80. Do you realize that this can only bring him more support? Here, let me 'spain:

First, no thinking Democrat is going to take your post seriously who isn't already wanting Hillary instead, so you aren't going to change any minds in this forum.

Secondly, to the extent that there's any truth to any of this, and if it gets "out there" for public consumption.....

Then it HELPS Bernie keep from looking like some dove socialist pussyfooter. A lot of independents and soft republicans are going to like him more.

So, thanks for the post!

[Trajan]

81. I have a hungry ignore list

And this is a target rich environment ...

As if Bernie's less than perfect gun philosophy has any bearing on our desire to propel him into office ... None whatsoever ...

But, now, I know who you are, and I know you are willing to use these bullshit arguments to try and denigrate a good human being ...

And for that, you are gone ...

[beam me up scottie]

83. Thanks for the propaganda! Now for the truth: Bernie Votes for Background Checks/Assault Weapons Ban

Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

[beam me up scottie]

88. Calling Bernie a liar is propaganda, where is the proof that he lied?