Were the PUMAs the only instance of a Democratic candidate's supporters

[MannyGoldstein]

being such sore losers that they backed the Republican in the general election?

[msongs]

1. was the rock of gilbratar the only collection of separate rocks that got named as a unit? nt

[jberryhill]

3. It's not one rock?

Dang. I learned something.

[Metric System]

2. That was such a small fraction that it's ridiculous to even still bring it up. The average person

associates puma with an animal, if anything. In other words, there was no consequential effect on Pres. Obama's 2008 victory. The majority of primary Hillary supporters voted for him.

[sabrina 1]

4. I guess I'm out of the loop. I don't remember any of this. Did they really back the Repub? Got some

links, anyone now supporting her involved in this, IF it is a fact?

[MannyGoldstein]

6. E.g.,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_liberal_support_for_John_McCain_in_2008

[sabrina 1]

9. Wow, I didn't know any of this:

25% said they would support McCain in November.[41]

And we are supposed to worry about the letter 'D' after someone's name??

Zell Miller, Joe Liebermann??

I'm speechless, no wonder partisan politics is on the wane.

[Bill USA]

5. fantasy.

[sabrina 1]

10. Apparently not, at least for 25% of Hillary supporters. I confess to now knowing any of this.

From Wiki: 25% said they would support McCain in November.[41]

And then there was Zell Miller (D) and Joe Liebermann, former (D) livelong we are told.

And people wonder why voters are so disillusioned with partisan politics.

Not to mention the 61 NJ Dems who endorsed CHRISTIE!

Our part is badly in need of reform.

[Zorra]

11. eeewwww! No Bernie supporting Dem would EVER even think of voting

for ANY republican. I suspect many of those Hillary supporting McCain voters were probably the same Dems that voted for Reagan.

Twice.

[pa28]

7. No, check out the documentary called "One Bright Shining Moment".

It details another period in time when rank and file Democrats had enough and tried to re-direct the party with a populist choice for nominee.

In it you'll find how the party establishment first tried to derail McGovern with a nasty gutter-politic campaign in California and inserted Hubert Humphrey as a back room (anybody but McGovern, A.B.C) replacement. When that failed and McGovern prevailed party bosses and some unions pulled away from supporting the actual choice of Democratic Party members. George McGovern.

They weren't afraid McGovern was going to fail, they were afraid he was going to succeed. The documentary makes a case that conservative forces in the Democratic party actually preferred Nixon. It's got some relevance IMO to what we're about to see again in 2015/16. I'd recommend watching it.

[Art_from_Ark]

13. In '72, Humphrey actually won a plurality of primary votes

Just barely, though-- 4,121,372 for Humphrey, versus 4,053,451 for McGovern

[tularetom]

8. I remember a lot of threats but I can't say I'm aware of any actual evidence they did it

Why? Are they starting to make noise about it again?

[reddread]

15. this has a certain ring to it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=634170

[DanTex]

12. Does that include DUers who waited until after the election to express the wish that McCain had won?

[hrmjustin]

17. Did someone here say that?

[DanTex]

20. Not just anyone...

BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 05:56 PM
Original message
If you could reverse ONE election outcome, which would it be?

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
16. 2008.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=761367&mesg_id=761480

[hrmjustin]

21. Damn!

[MannyGoldstein]

23. LOL! Love how you cleverly left out the context!

Clever like a TPP clause.

[DanTex]

25. "Context." LOL. Please, do explain! Why was McCain better than Obama in 2008?

Maybe there was some secret sarcasm tag or something like that. But I doubt it. True colors and all...

[beam me up scottie]

26. Did you forget the rest of it? Tsk. Let me help you:

MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
16. 2008.
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 06:18 PM by MannyGoldstein
In the prior elections, people got what they wanted, whether it was good or bad, perhaps with the exception of the stolen 2004 election (which was close, anyway). So, no matter who won, things would have generally gone the way they did. For example, Al Gore was an active participant in Clinton's development of the outsourced-torture "extraordinary rendition" program.

In 2008, people voted overwhelmingly for hope and change, but we got much other, for examples:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/resp...

This is an enormous problem. We've had almost 20% real unemployment for years, and more shoveling of worker's cash to the wealthiest. So now the Democratic brand is badly damaged, and the people have returned even-crazier Republicans to office in a desperate attempt for actual, helpful change. It's like the poor souls who leaped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 to avoid the fire. Awful, awful choices.

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.

Now can you point out where Manny said he wished McCain had won?

Tia!

[DanTex]

27. "Now can you point out where Manny said he wished McCain had won?" Yes. Easily.

2008.

[beam me up scottie]

28. I don't see those words, did you forget to post them?

[DanTex]

30. You didn't see the "2008"? Really? Taking willful blindness to a new level, are we?

[beam me up scottie]

31. No, just wondering why you left out the rest of the post. Disingenuous much?

[DanTex]

32. The explanation about why it would be better if McCain was elected? Is that what you mean?

[beam me up scottie]

33. Why didn't you post all of it, Dan?

[HooptieWagon]

14. DINO Debbie endorsed GOP incumbents in Fl....

When there were progressive Dem challengers, so I'd expect her to back the GOP nominee if Sanders is the Democratic nominee. A PUMA doesn't change its spots.

[Catherina]

19. +1. That she did n/t

[Zorra]

16. eeewwww! No Bernie supporting Dem would EVER even think of voting

for ANY republican. I suspect many of those Hillary supporting voters who voted for McCain were probably the same Dems that voted for Reagan.

Twice.

[hrmjustin]

18. I have to agree with you that pumas were sore losers.

Anyone who won't vote for the nominee because their candidate did not win the primary is a sore loser.

[TSIAS]

22. Brings back memories

I was wondering if Harriet Christian was still backing Hillary in 2016, but it turns out she's dead now.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild is apparently still around.

[TexasTowelie]

24. Locking thread.

Statement of Purpose

A forum for general discussion of the Democratic presidential primaries. Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.

Thread has nothing to do with the current Democratic presidential primary.

[beam me up scottie]

29. It's not locked yet, TT

[TexasTowelie]

34. Unlocked thread.

Lack of consensus.