2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumQuartz: Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a “likability” problem—we do
Quartz: Hillary Clinton doesnt have a likability problemwe doPerhaps then the onus is not on her, but on the mediaand even the publicfor whom the line between politics and entertainment has grown increasingly thin. Candidates arent treated as politicians so much as celebrity personalities, Americas dowdier versions of Kim and Kanye. Debates have devolved from serious political deliberation to a more civilized form of blood sport, which we watch (and dissect the next day) like Game of Thrones. Facts arent important so long as the candidate lied with aplomb.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I would support and vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat.
Ignoring issues and dragging out the gender card. This is getting pathetic, this recycling of memes.
And that, my friends, is why I will not support Hillary.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)once again, a glaring admission that she has no policy positions worth standing on
dsc
(52,166 posts)so they aren't racist, right?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)So, it's really not the same thing at all.
I'm a woman. I don't like HRC because of her positions on most issues (I do agree with many of her social stances, but not her economic or foreign policy positions, by and large). Like the poster above, I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat, but I'm not a fan of Clinton.
So, no, it's not about her gender at all.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)...and it isn't pretty....in fact it's quite ugly. Many people are afraid of powerful and intelligent women. This is something women face on a daily basis.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Every minute detail of her is attacked relentlessly and negatively. The hate is so palpable there must be more to it than disagreement with her policies.
Vinca
(50,300 posts)Her likability problem has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with being scripted and living in a bubble. Her handlers have been so afraid she'll say "something" they don't let her say anything. On the rare occasions the real Hillary peeks through she's a very genuine person you can connect with.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Democrats, to a person, would NOT have supported a Sarah Palin run.
Someone please find a microphone and drop it for me.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the victim card is not gonna play this time...people are on to this schtick
randome
(34,845 posts)She has even more going against her in that she is following one of the most dynamic and intellectually vigorous Presidents we have ever had.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)NonMetro
(631 posts)She comes accross a bit Margaret Thatcher like. She needs to lighten up, like she did on that SNL thing. It's a matter of public perception, and that's something the Clinton camp needs to work on!
Prism
(5,815 posts)Our politics and culture of celebrity have fused, and more and more, who we choose is more personality-based than policy considerations. Part of my problem with Hillary's campaign is that it really embraces that idea that you're not voting for Clinton's policies. Rather, you're voting for her life story. It's more about her rather than us. Start with that whole "Hillary!" thing, and then read backwards from now to see how many of the justifications for her candidacy seem more about her biography than any particular thing she may or may not believe. She's set up as a weird Lifetime movie character.
Take TPP. Because it was thought she would defend it, a lot of her supporters have pushed back hard against the Left's objection to it for about a year running. Now, we're all about witness a massive bit of whiplash. Pro-TPP, anti. It matters not at all. There is only Hillary!.
Obama has a lot of this happening with him as well. People just like him. Policies? Kind of important. But really, they just like him. I do, too! He seems like a very nice man with a very nice family.
I have no idea about Bernie Sander's or Martin O'Malley's biography. Is O'Malley still married? I think I saw a son in there somewhere. I saw a story about Sander's wife in passing. What are these two like in their private lives? I have absolutely no idea. And I don't want to know. I don't want to invest in their personalities. I just want to know what they'd do as President.
That's a big problem with Hillary. I have zero idea what she'd actually do as President. She will say anything, pick up and drop positions based on what she thinks people want to hear. She's asking us to just vote for her and trust her, and the policies will sort themselves out later.
And that's actually good enough for way too many people. It's the culture we increasingly live in.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The character traits that I dislike in Hillary Clinton are odious to me no matter the gender. Men or women who are duplicitous, deceitful, ambitious to a fault, passive aggressive, and self-entitled all bother me equally.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Lame bullshit at that.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Supporters. Gender had nothing to do with it.
Her problems:
Fracking
Wall St. THIEVES
Making poor kids work to "earn" State University tuition - did she tell her Wall St. Thieving buddies to "earn" their $12.8 TRILLION BAILOUT? No.
She voted for the IWR knowing full well what the ramifications would be.
She supports wars, wars, wars and more wars.
She supports Big Banks
She Supports GMOs and Monsanto
She's a dirty politician - just the type Bernie will help get rid of
She hired David Brock, of all people, to work her campaign's dirty, behind the scenes hit jobs
The list could go on and on...
Honestly, it would be quicker to list the things not wrong with her.
She's been a great mom.
Nope. Gender has NOTHING to do with my not supporting her.