So Hillary is going after guns

anywhere close to where WHITE President George W. Bush had been speaking, what would have been the result?

and they would be beaten, shot at and many killed.

Did you see this?

But the white man is clearly a patriot exercising his Second Amendment rights (as a white man) to carry a gun.

The black man is clearly a Black Panther intent on armed revolution.


THIS is pornography. The intersection of white privilege, acute racism, and police repression.

I am surprised minorities like me can carry cell phones, they can look so dangerous.

So that he never needed to hear it.

We would not want people thinking that the First Amendment was more important than the Second.

control because a handful of yahoos in Oregon showed up to prove how brainwashed they are??

Have some tea and a biscuit.

The "liberals should not do gun control because of all the massive loss of gun lovers votes" is tired and old and wrong and a beloved meme of the NRA.

Just pointing that out.

And didn't like what they heard. Their right to do so just as its are right to applaud the speech.

They care more about their guns than the feelings of the families who are grieving.

in not wanting him there.

If that's the point you're trying to make. Roseburg is pretty conservative.

Hillary, who understood the gun culture and celebrated it in 2008 especially when it helped her create a difference between her opponent during that primary race, now is again trying to create a difference between her opponent in this race. What she may not understand, besides being all over the spectrum on guns, is that her small gain in votes for the left will be off set by a large loss of votes from the right.

Why I am saying this? Because I don't believe in gun control? NO, I believe in gun control, not banning of guns. I do think most of the gun laws like right to carry have the unspoken words---as long as you are white---attached to them. I am saying this because I think Hillary is only thinking of how she can be elected. I hold very little hope that she has a moral center on a lot of things (except women issues and even that I think is pretty white and middle to upper class). But she is ready to shape shift at the drop of a hat to garner more votes.

This latest move may not be such a great vote getter as she would have hoped.

And did you think she was getting votes from the rightwing?

Trying to reduce voters to left or right is absurdly reductionist.

For instance we have a well known poster on DU who in 2008 thought Hillary Clinton was a Rovian liar who should never be a candidate in so many words and today thinks she is the best qualified candidate for President.

People are complicated and change their minds as we can see, often for reasons that they are unable to adequately explain as we have seen the last 24 hours.

A reason to not stand up to the NRA on this important issue? It shows she's a fighter. Screw the rightwing votes.