Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:19 PM

monmouth4 (9,303 posts)

CNN debate numbers are in. HRC between 12-15%, Bernie...80-85%. The rest single digit....n/t

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CNN debate numbers are in. HRC between 12-15%, Bernie...80-85%. The rest single digit....n/t (Original post)	monmouth4	Oct 2015	OP
DWS: "Cancel the remaining debates!"	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#1
LMAO!	KeepItReal	Oct 2015	#23
X2	TheBlackAdder	Oct 2015	#28
". . . and no more Christmas, either!"	Jack Rabbit	Oct 2015	#94
Woohooo. Bernie Sanders th people's president.	azmom	Oct 2015	#2
What do those numbers mean? nt	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Oct 2015	#3
Seconded. Who was asked? How were the questions asked? Online? Some Luntz group? what?	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#9
online nt	wendylaroux	Oct 2015	#26
It means that people think Bernie won the debate handily.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#30
online voting	uponit7771	Oct 2015	#36
People.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#41
I think it means Bernie supporters are passionate.	Cassiopeia	Oct 2015	#102
America will see who is for them.	onecaliberal	Oct 2015	#4
It'll be Jim Webb because...... SQUIRREL!!!	cprise	Oct 2015	#99
hahahahahah	onecaliberal	Oct 2015	#104
win	Cassiopeia	Oct 2015	#109
Do you have a link	bkkyosemite	Oct 2015	#5
got a link?	Motown_Johnny	Oct 2015	#6
Go to CNN and on the right is the debate info...	monmouth4	Oct 2015	#35
Here...	Fearless	Oct 2015	#43
Thanks, that helped. n/t	Motown_Johnny	Oct 2015	#54
The page is blank.	PADemD	Oct 2015	#95
Yes... with facebook or as a guest.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#98
No, not at all.	zentrum	Oct 2015	#105
Looks good.	LittleBlue	Oct 2015	#7
I think they hit the 'guns' topic quicker than she would have wanted.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Oct 2015	#21
All things considered, I thought Hillary did pretty well.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#101
Where are your numbers coming from?	workinclasszero	Oct 2015	#8
Where's your link	itsrobert	Oct 2015	#10
Here...	Fearless	Oct 2015	#45
That link doesn't work for me	itsrobert	Oct 2015	#51
The link works...but you have to sign in either as a guest or with facebook.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#103
its on CNN which links to their FB poll - link	LSK	Oct 2015	#11
Google search results in too	Catherina	Oct 2015	#12
WOW!	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#19
And that's what he needs. More people trying to learn more about him. nt	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Oct 2015	#29
And I believe he accomplished that in spite not being able to watch	Duckfan	Oct 2015	#144
Despite what the pundits think, I think he snared more than undecideds last night.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Oct 2015	#167
Are these your numbers or CNN's numbers?	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#13
CNN's....	monmouth4	Oct 2015	#31
CNN's	Catherina	Oct 2015	#42
Holy Moly!	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#61
Here are Slate's results. Bernie crushing it there too	Catherina	Oct 2015	#69
But their editors called it for Clinton, lol.	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#119
CNN totally ignoring its own poll AND its own focus group.	Catherina	Oct 2015	#149
ty for getting screen shots	questionseverything	Oct 2015	#198
74 Years old and he's knockin them out of the park every at bat.	Duckfan	Oct 2015	#146
Time Magazine Poll - Bernie 74%	Catherina	Oct 2015	#71
Various poll results	Catherina	Oct 2015	#73
Just checked in myself	tomm2thumbs	Oct 2015	#145
Not scientific	upaloopa	Oct 2015	#14
Just people.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#47
Lol, that should be her campaign slogan! Nt	Logical	Oct 2015	#50
It really should be her slogan. After all,	truedelphi	Oct 2015	#135
Of course: Corporatist Sellouts.	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#140
OK. Double Hillary's numbers and cut Bernie's in half.	JDPriestly	Oct 2015	#88
No poll is... but when they favor our position, we tout them all the same.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#110
but it would be if the numbers were flipped in Hillary's favor right?	litlbilly	Oct 2015	#111
As I predicted, Bernie crushed it! Loved it!...wooohooo!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2015	#15
The Facebook poll?	RandySF	Oct 2015	#16
CNN facebook poll is ongoing and supports the OP	LSK	Oct 2015	#20
An online poll?	RandySF	Oct 2015	#25
online offline past future history	LSK	Oct 2015	#33
But it's a self-selectingsample	RandySF	Oct 2015	#38
huh? its a FB poll linked from CNN website	LSK	Oct 2015	#48
People volunteer themselves to take the poll, basically	Scootaloo	Oct 2015	#55
I logged in and voted, so can anyone on FB	LSK	Oct 2015	#56
Exactly	RandySF	Oct 2015	#60
or anyone on CNN or FB?	LSK	Oct 2015	#62
it's actually a terrific measure of enthusiasm too ... if a candidate's followers don't bother...	tomm2thumbs	Oct 2015	#147
So how come her campaign isn't doing that?	bluedigger	Oct 2015	#90
It's a waste of energy.	RandySF	Oct 2015	#116
There is no energy in the Clinton campaign	votesparks	Oct 2015	#130
Yeah! Where's Hillary's camp?	Plucketeer	Oct 2015	#127
However, CNN isn't the only group to come to similar conclusion...	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#114
The problem with your logic is that although it might have been manipulated, it seems to agree	rhett o rick	Oct 2015	#200
The poll has no validity as a representative sample.	kwassa	Oct 2015	#64
True. And even suposedly representative samples are subjective.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#118
True, true polls poll likely voters.	zeemike	Oct 2015	#150
And you went in knowing you were going to answer "sanders" right away, yes?	Scootaloo	Oct 2015	#65
You just vote....Yah Bernie	bkkyosemite	Oct 2015	#63
There is no margin of error because it is unscientific n/t	Godhumor	Oct 2015	#46
Bwahahaha!	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#67
You clearly don't understand what a margin of error means	mythology	Oct 2015	#70
Any self-selecting poll is beyond the margin of MEANING.	pnwmom	Oct 2015	#154
Sure there can! The majority of people who watched the debate thought Bernie won.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#169
See my response. It:s totally manipulatef	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#40
What CNN debate numbers? What are you talking about?	kwassa	Oct 2015	#17
Go to CNN, on the right are debate links....	monmouth4	Oct 2015	#27
been there, done that, see no debate number links at all.	kwassa	Oct 2015	#44
The link is above	bkkyosemite	Oct 2015	#68
and above is where?	kwassa	Oct 2015	#81
It's an online facebook poll. Not scientific. nt	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#39
that makes sense, because the alleged numbers don't.	kwassa	Oct 2015	#49
It's a total Bullshit manipulation.	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#58
From Catherina's post #73:	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#96
Not good indicators. All skewed to the internet population. Young Middle class white people.	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#106
Internet User Demographics	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#120
That seems like a fairly even spread of internet users. It's almost like all demographics use it...	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#125
But Steven is not convinced so how will I be able to sleep tonight?	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#134
...	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#171
Thanks. Yes, as I said, the internet skews white, middle class (and higher income) and young. nt	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#126
Nope.	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#132
That is what your post indicates. Did you not read it before posting? nt	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#133
You're interpreting the data incorrectly.	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#137
Really? Here is the relevant data	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#141
Source?	One Man Stands Alone	Oct 2015	#155
Source is Beanmusical's #120 above.	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#156
You were good until you said: Young Middle class white people. What supporting evidence do you have	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#121
See Bean's #120. Didnt you know this? nt	stevenleser	Oct 2015	#128
You mean the post that shows a largly evenly distributed demographic among internet users? Yeah.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#173
Bernie can only attract young middle class white people.	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#139
Heh	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#174
Not a surprise. We've been saying it all along.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#18
Let Bernie Be Bernie.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#22
Because of BTTF 2?	jfern	Oct 2015	#37
Go to CNN on the right are the debate links...n/t	monmouth4	Oct 2015	#24
Total Bullshit. I saw the phony manipulation	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#32
Says the losing side! Nt	Logical	Oct 2015	#53
Lol, who cares about childish internet games	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#74
Lol! Nt	Logical	Oct 2015	#75
It was Lol to watch	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#78
Hmm...	kenfrequed	Oct 2015	#161
Hilary did not lose. She has generally gotten good reviews for her performance.	StevieM	Oct 2015	#131
So people voting doesn't matter, and we should let the handlers decide... got it.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#175
I just said that there would be scientifically conducted polls coming out soon and they would	StevieM	Oct 2015	#184
the focus group i saw was overwhelming for sanders	questionseverything	Oct 2015	#199
You can't disagree you can only vote for one person!	Fearless	Oct 2015	#66
Lmao, it was flooded before she started talking.	R B Garr	Oct 2015	#76
Prove it.	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#129
As we used to say in S. TX	okasha	Oct 2015	#197
I'm thrilled	Robbins	Oct 2015	#34
Well...	kenfrequed	Oct 2015	#52
But with the sample survey of people who watched across the country...	Duckfan	Oct 2015	#153
A facebook poll?	itsrobert	Oct 2015	#57
Actually, CNN is posting odds of Hillary 70%, Bernie 15% ....	kwassa	Oct 2015	#59
CNN announced it before the debates and gave	bkkyosemite	Oct 2015	#72
I can't believe the number of DUers who seemingly don't know the difference between online	Metric System	Oct 2015	#77
+1000	Starry Messenger	Oct 2015	#79
Yup. I'm a BS supporter and I don't take these polls seriously.	thesquanderer	Oct 2015	#97
And Hillary had her best debate ever = 12-15%. Her rhetoric was tired, old, and sooo 20th century.	cpompilo	Oct 2015	#80
Republicans are voting in heavy numbers. don't be fooled. nt	kelliekat44	Oct 2015	#82
These are the online debate polls I could find--all have Bernie around 75% and Hillary around 17%:	tblue37	Oct 2015	#83
Do you have a source for that?	JDPriestly	Oct 2015	#84
I am 100% committed to Bernie!	SoapBox	Oct 2015	#85
Oh everybody knows online polls are meaningless unless they are scientific	workinclasszero	Oct 2015	#86
there's still time	Marty McGraw	Oct 2015	#89
The poll I voted on - only 1 vote	840high	Oct 2015	#92
Just delete cookies, or use a VPN. Piece of cake.	whatthehey	Oct 2015	#181
Un-huh	Plucketeer	Oct 2015	#136
You could have stopped at "online polls are meaningless"	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#176
About like here.	Spitfire of ATJ	Oct 2015	#87
and now we know why dws wants to squash them	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#91
I loved Bernie! I thought Hillary did well. I was impressed by O'Malley: never saw him before.	C Moon	Oct 2015	#93
+1	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#177
It's the same on every poll	zentrum	Oct 2015	#100
The focus groups also.	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#107
Interesting that it's	zentrum	Oct 2015	#113
It was a Fox focus group of Democrats.	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#117
Okay, I'll see if i can find it. Thnx.	zentrum	Oct 2015	#142
Here:	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#143
Thanks.	zentrum	Oct 2015	#157
I'm thinking' about 10-12 point swing in next round of national polls...	Indepatriot	Oct 2015	#108
Yes, I think a 10-12 point bump will show up in next polls.	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#124
The gender card bothered me too. Especially when it was clear the question was policy based.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#178
What's terrible is	zentrum	Oct 2015	#112
These numbers do not exist....	SandersDem	Oct 2015	#115
"If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#151
Wow DU is getting pretty lame.	ChimpersMcSmirkers	Oct 2015	#122
Sanders supporters efforts make FreeRepublic's 'Freeping' seem like kid's play.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#166
Folks are voting with there hearts, but Hillary won this debate hands down with realistic, pragmati	kelliekat44	Oct 2015	#123
CNN DEBATE RERUN - Anderson announced the "CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE" CNN told people to vote,	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#138
LOL	itsrobert	Oct 2015	#148
Did any poll or focus group show Clinton the winner?	HooptieWagon	Oct 2015	#152
It's actually sad and pathetic	Bernblu	Oct 2015	#160
Other than FB:	BeanMusical	Oct 2015	#159
It's CNN's FACEBOOK page and it's real people voting	in_cog_ni_to	Oct 2015	#163
Bernie is at 67% at 11 pm; Clinton 15, Webb 15 (Reps must be voting)	Liberty Belle	Oct 2015	#158
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Oct 2015	#162
I don't need a poll to tell...	meaculpa2011	Oct 2015	#164
Proving once again Sanders supporters flock to 'freep' online polls	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#165
Interesting hypothesis. Particularly given that there were at least 6 polls that agreed.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#168
... after allowing people to vote online in polls.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#172
Yet another claim I'm sure you lack evidence for. Feel free to prove me wrong.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#179
Show me "at least 6 polls that agreed" with you.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#180
Demanding proof after offering none yourself is not a winning argument.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#182
My argument is based on your claim. But here's ONE example from this very thread:	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#183
I see nothing as your response.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#185
they all say 'online' and 'web' polls! LOL.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#186
Yup, they do. Meaning the majority who actually watched the debate (probable voters) thought he won.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#187
no. it means Bernie folks freeped the polls	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#188
And once again, you offer a claim without proof.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#189
Seems you have a lot of fires to put out this morning.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#190
So instead of providing proof, you provide a distraction. Okay.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#191
psst! Another thread has been posted showing Hillary won. Better run now!	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#192
Let me guess, on reddit? And you take issues with online polls	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#193
No, on that progressive darling Salon.com. Second one from them today.	wyldwolf	Oct 2015	#194
Progressive darling? Seriously? Salon.com is a click-bait site. Always has been and always will be.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#196
Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining,	workinclasszero	Oct 2015	#170
Every poll I've seen says the same thing	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#195

Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

1. DWS: "Cancel the remaining debates!"

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

KeepItReal (7,769 posts)

23. LMAO!

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

TheBlackAdder (27,410 posts)

28. X2

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:40 AM

Jack Rabbit (45,984 posts)

94. ". . . and no more Christmas, either!"

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

azmom (5,208 posts)

2. Woohooo. Bernie Sanders th people's president.

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

3. What do those numbers mean? nt

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:21 PM

DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)

9. Seconded. Who was asked? How were the questions asked? Online? Some Luntz group? what?

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

wendylaroux (2,925 posts)

26. online nt

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

30. It means that people think Bernie won the debate handily.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:30 PM

uponit7771 (89,624 posts)

36. online voting

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

41. People.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:48 AM

Cassiopeia (2,603 posts)

102. I think it means Bernie supporters are passionate.

We're tuning in and feelin' the Bern.

We're vocal about it in every medium we can find, from bumper stickers to packed stadiums.

Let's hope we all show up to vote.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

onecaliberal (30,684 posts)

4. America will see who is for them.

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:46 AM

cprise (8,445 posts)

99. It'll be Jim Webb because...... SQUIRREL!!!

I mean, CHINA!!!

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:48 AM

onecaliberal (30,684 posts)

104. hahahahahah

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Response to cprise (Reply #99)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:51 AM

Cassiopeia (2,603 posts)

109. win

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

bkkyosemite (5,792 posts)

5. Do you have a link

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:20 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

6. got a link?

I can't seem to find that.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:29 PM

monmouth4 (9,303 posts)

35. Go to CNN and on the right is the debate info...

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

43. Here...

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

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Response to Fearless (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:34 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

54. Thanks, that helped. n/t

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:40 AM

PADemD (4,482 posts)

95. The page is blank.

Do you have to sign in to Facebook to see the results?

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Response to PADemD (Reply #95)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:45 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

98. Yes... with facebook or as a guest.

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:48 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

105. No, not at all.

I voted as "a guest". Was allow one vote and then could see the results right away.

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:21 PM

LittleBlue (10,362 posts)

7. Looks good.

I thought Hillary started strong and faded later.

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

21. I think they hit the 'guns' topic quicker than she would have wanted.

That was her best shot to outshine Sanders, and it was almost the first thing they did, which let it fade somewhat for viewers.

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:47 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

101. All things considered, I thought Hillary did pretty well.

But Bernie definitely came out on top!

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:21 PM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

8. Where are your numbers coming from?

eom

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:23 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

10. Where's your link

numbers don't make any sense

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

45. Here...

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

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Response to Fearless (Reply #45)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:33 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

51. That link doesn't work for me

n/t

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:48 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

103. The link works...but you have to sign in either as a guest or with facebook.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:23 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

11. its on CNN which links to their FB poll - link

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:23 PM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

12. Google search results in too

:large

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

19. WOW!

Go Bernie!

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

29. And that's what he needs. More people trying to learn more about him. nt

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:34 AM

Duckfan (1,268 posts)

144. And I believe he accomplished that in spite not being able to watch

Some undecideds should be thinking they liked what they saw. Lets see what the other poll numbers show to get a better snapshot of the country. But I'm encouraged by this news.Thank you.

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Response to Duckfan (Reply #144)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:47 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

167. Despite what the pundits think, I think he snared more than undecideds last night.

I think he probably ate into Hillary's 'weak' supporters, people who were going with her as 'the devil they knew'. Even in the brief snippets with focus groups, they had a person or two who said they had switched over from Hillary to Bernie during the debate.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:23 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

13. Are these your numbers or CNN's numbers?

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:28 PM

monmouth4 (9,303 posts)

31. CNN's....

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

42. CNN's

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

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Response to Catherina (Reply #42)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:39 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

61. Holy Moly!

Thank you!

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #61)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:43 PM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

69. Here are Slate's results. Bernie crushing it there too

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/democratic_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

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Response to Catherina (Reply #69)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:03 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

119. But their editors called it for Clinton, lol.

It couldn't be clearer...M$M is completely out of touch with voters.

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:42 AM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

149. CNN totally ignoring its own poll AND its own focus group.

"Out of touch" is putting it kindly lol.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #149)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:30 PM

questionseverything (9,410 posts)

198. ty for getting screen shots

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Response to Catherina (Reply #69)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:37 AM

Duckfan (1,268 posts)

146. 74 Years old and he's knockin them out of the park every at bat.

Wow.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #61)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:45 PM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

71. Time Magazine Poll - Bernie 74%

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Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:54 PM

Catherina (35,568 posts)

73. Various poll results

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:35 AM

tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)

145. Just checked in myself

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:23 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

14. Not scientific

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

47. Just people.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:33 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

50. Lol, that should be her campaign slogan! Nt

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Response to Logical (Reply #50)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:16 AM

truedelphi (32,324 posts)

135. It really should be her slogan. After all,

It was first used by Bill Clinton when his appointee and major Monsanto lackey Mike Taylor announced that GMO seeds crops and foods were safe, because he scientifically deemed them to be so!

This put the Clintons on the same side of the GMO issue as the Bush family. Can anyone say Corporatist Sellouts, boys and girls?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #135)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:23 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

140. Of course: Corporatist Sellouts.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:34 AM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

88. OK. Double Hillary's numbers and cut Bernie's in half.

Bernie still won hands down.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:51 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

110. No poll is... but when they favor our position, we tout them all the same.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:52 AM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

111. but it would be if the numbers were flipped in Hillary's favor right?

I thought Hillary did ok but Bernie was just Bernie, that's why hes polling like he is.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:24 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (24,001 posts)

15. As I predicted, Bernie crushed it! Loved it!...wooohooo!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:25 PM

RandySF (51,576 posts)

16. The Facebook poll?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

20. CNN facebook poll is ongoing and supports the OP

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Response to LSK (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

RandySF (51,576 posts)

25. An online poll?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:29 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

33. online offline past future history

83% is beyond the margin of error

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Response to LSK (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

RandySF (51,576 posts)

38. But it's a self-selectingsample

Just like that poll that had him winning all 50 states.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

48. huh? its a FB poll linked from CNN website

How is it self selecting?????

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Response to LSK (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:34 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

55. People volunteer themselves to take the poll, basically

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #55)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:36 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

56. I logged in and voted, so can anyone on FB

Why are people telling me about something that I actually did???

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Response to LSK (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:39 PM

RandySF (51,576 posts)

60. Exactly

That's why it's not a reliable sample. Any campaign or group can tell people to go and vote in an online poll.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

LSK (36,846 posts)

62. or anyone on CNN or FB?

It was a debate sponsored by FB and CNN, so is a stretch people would vote in it???

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Response to LSK (Reply #62)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:39 AM

tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)

147. it's actually a terrific measure of enthusiasm too ... if a candidate's followers don't bother...

... they probably won't extend themselves to go out and vote if push comes to shove

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Response to RandySF (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:36 AM

bluedigger (17,010 posts)

90. So how come her campaign isn't doing that?

Where is her enthusiastic base?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:01 AM

RandySF (51,576 posts)

116. It's a waste of energy.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #116)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:11 AM

votesparks (1,288 posts)

130. There is no energy in the Clinton campaign

Not one pro-Clinton debate party in our city. We had 140+ show up for our Bernie Party.

Nationwide Sanders had 4,000 debate parties, while Clinton's campaign was able to muster up around 290.

The energy and momentum is in the Bern.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:09 AM

Plucketeer (12,882 posts)

127. Yeah! Where's Hillary's camp?

Maybe they're so busy rejoicing that they haven't come down to earth yet. Yeah - that's gotta be it! LOL!

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Response to RandySF (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:57 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

114. However, CNN isn't the only group to come to similar conclusion...

Time, Fox, PalmBeachPost.com, Wishtv.com, slate and statesman all agree with CNN’s poll…Bernie handily won the debate (You can see the polls at post #73).
To be more realistic, those who are most likely to vote are the ones watching the debate... so roughly 75%-80% of likely voting viewers thought Bernie won.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:21 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

200. The problem with your logic is that although it might have been manipulated, it seems to agree

with all of the other polls and opinions out there.

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Response to LSK (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

64. The poll has no validity as a representative sample.

This is not how true polling works.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #64)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:01 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

118. True. And even suposedly representative samples are subjective.

This does however reflect the opinions of those with an interest in politics...and probable voters (Specifically those who watched).

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Response to kwassa (Reply #64)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:42 AM

zeemike (18,998 posts)

150. True, true polls poll likely voters.

And how do you determine likely voters?...well who voted last time would be likely...but that is not Representative of the people who could vote or may vote in the future is it?
Too much faith is put on polls.

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Response to LSK (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

65. And you went in knowing you were going to answer "sanders" right away, yes?

And you can tell your friends, "hey, here's this poll, go bern it up!" right? And other people can do the same for their candidtes.

It's not a random sample, in other words. It's a bunch of people trying to create a particular outcome.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #55)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

bkkyosemite (5,792 posts)

63. You just vote....Yah Bernie

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Response to LSK (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

Godhumor (6,437 posts)

46. There is no margin of error because it is unscientific n/t

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Response to LSK (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

67. Bwahahaha!

I'd say so!

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Response to LSK (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:45 PM

mythology (9,527 posts)

70. You clearly don't understand what a margin of error means

This is an online, self-selected poll. It is utterly meaningless. I can't link to it at the moment due to DU2 being down, but there was an MSNBC poll that showed 85% of Americans wanted Bush impeached. But not a single real poll found that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=110x9869

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Response to LSK (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:55 AM

pnwmom (108,381 posts)

154. Any self-selecting poll is beyond the margin of MEANING.

No conclusion can be drawn about it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #154)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:10 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

169. Sure there can! The majority of people who watched the debate thought Bernie won.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

40. See my response. It:s totally manipulatef

Bullshit

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:25 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

17. What CNN debate numbers? What are you talking about?

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Response to kwassa (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:27 PM

monmouth4 (9,303 posts)

27. Go to CNN, on the right are debate links....

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

44. been there, done that, see no debate number links at all.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #44)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:42 PM

bkkyosemite (5,792 posts)

68. The link is above

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #68)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:10 AM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

81. and above is where?

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Response to kwassa (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

39. It's an online facebook poll. Not scientific. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:33 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

49. that makes sense, because the alleged numbers don't.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:38 PM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

58. It's a total Bullshit manipulation.

I saw disagree votes flood before she started talking.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #39)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:44 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

96. From Catherina's post #73:

Good indicators anyway.

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #96)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:49 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

106. Not good indicators. All skewed to the internet population. Young Middle class white people.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #106)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:04 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

120. Internet User Demographics

As of January 2014, 87% of American adults use the internet.

http://www.pewinternet.org/data-trend/internet-use/latest-stats/

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #120)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:08 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

125. That seems like a fairly even spread of internet users. It's almost like all demographics use it...

Go figure.

Thanks for sharing that!

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #125)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:15 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

134. But Steven is not convinced so how will I be able to sleep tonight?

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #134)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:17 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

171. ...

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #120)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:09 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

126. Thanks. Yes, as I said, the internet skews white, middle class (and higher income) and young. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #126)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:12 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

132. Nope.

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #132)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:14 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

133. That is what your post indicates. Did you not read it before posting? nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #133)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:18 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

137. You're interpreting the data incorrectly.

Goodnight now.

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #137)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:24 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

141. Really? Here is the relevant data

85% of whites are internet users versus
81% of African Americans and
83% of Hispanics.

Whites, who are a much larger percentage of the population anyway, have a 4% advantage online over African Americans. Bernie does better among white people and does abysmally among African Americans.

97% of 18-29
93% of 30-49 and
88% of 50-64 and
57% of 65+

There is an almost 10 point difference between ages 50-64 and ages 18-29 and a 40 point difference between ages 18-29 and age 65+. Again, Bernie does better with young voters and Hillary does better with older ones.

77% of less than $30,000/yr
85% of 30K-49K
93% of 50-74K
99% of 75K

And here is the data on wealth. There is a huge difference.

Again, what were you reading?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #141)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:57 AM

One Man Stands Alone (26 posts)

155. Source?

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Response to One Man Stands Alone (Reply #155)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:59 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

156. Source is Beanmusical's #120 above.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #106)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:05 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

121. You were good until you said: Young Middle class white people. What supporting evidence do you have

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #121)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:10 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

128. See Bean's #120. Didnt you know this? nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #128)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:34 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

173. You mean the post that shows a largly evenly distributed demographic among internet users? Yeah.

You said Young Middle class white people skewed the internet poll. I may not be great with math, but I'm pretty sure the 30-64 age ranges contain a few more people than the 18-29 group. Also, a 4 point difference between demographics is not near enough to skew the chart more than 4%. All 6 of the polls posted here clearly show that even were you to grant 4% to your candidate of choice and remove it from a candidate of your choosing, Bernie still won handily. You could cut Bernie's poll numbers in half, and he still would have won. Your claim just doesn't hold water.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #121)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:22 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

139. Bernie can only attract young middle class white people.

Didn't you know this?

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #139)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:39 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

174. Heh

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:25 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

18. Not a surprise. We've been saying it all along.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

22. Let Bernie Be Bernie.

...said as the wife and mother of Red Sox fans rooting for the Cubbies - all 2015 and shit.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:31 PM

jfern (5,204 posts)

37. Because of BTTF 2?

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:26 PM

monmouth4 (9,303 posts)

24. Go to CNN on the right are the debate links...n/t

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:29 PM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

32. Total Bullshit. I saw the phony manipulation

From his supporters. Disagree votes started before she started talking. That was total spam Bullshit

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:34 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

53. Says the losing side! Nt

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Response to Logical (Reply #53)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:58 PM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

74. Lol, who cares about childish internet games

Phony bullshit

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #74)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:59 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

75. Lol! Nt

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Response to Logical (Reply #75)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:05 AM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

78. It was Lol to watch

But typical of the BSers

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #78)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:57 AM

kenfrequed (7,865 posts)

161. Hmm...

Are you referring to Bernie Sanders supporters as BSers? Because that kind of generalizing isn't terribly adult of you.

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Response to Logical (Reply #53)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:12 AM

StevieM (10,482 posts)

131. Hilary did not lose. She has generally gotten good reviews for her performance.

In the coming days there will probably be some scientifically conducted polls. That will give us a better idea of who earned the title of "winner" of the debate.

The early evidence from the CNN focus group indicates that Sanders and Clinton both did very well and the group seemed divided over them. Of course, that isn't a totally scientific sampling either. But it is better than a bunch of people clicking on the internet.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #131)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:43 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

175. So people voting doesn't matter, and we should let the handlers decide... got it.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #175)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:06 PM

StevieM (10,482 posts)

184. I just said that there would be scientifically conducted polls coming out soon and they would

give us a better idea of who earned the title "winner" of the debate.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #131)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:37 PM

questionseverything (9,410 posts)

199. the focus group i saw was overwhelming for sanders

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

Fearless (18,421 posts)

66. You can't disagree you can only vote for one person!

It's a poll not a DU2 post!

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Response to Fearless (Reply #66)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:01 AM

R B Garr (16,720 posts)

76. Lmao, it was flooded before she started talking.

So phony, but typical childishness .

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #76)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:10 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

129. Prove it.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #76)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:07 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

197. As we used to say in S. TX

"Vote early, vote often."

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:29 PM

Robbins (5,066 posts)

34. I'm thrilled

bernie was great.he made this about us and issues.clinton is phony and all about herself.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:33 PM

kenfrequed (7,865 posts)

52. Well...

I think that might be a bit exaggerated.

Did he do well? Yes. Did he change minds? I hope so.

The method plays to where Sanders support comes from. The young and the technologically savvy.

It is hopeful, but I wouldn't take it as gospel.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #52)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:48 AM

Duckfan (1,268 posts)

153. But with the sample survey of people who watched across the country...

...you have to come away with the belief that the rest of the country is fed up with the corporate rule. Thus they see something positive about Bernie as a candidate. Very encouraging to see. And Bernie has to be smiling too.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:37 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

57. A facebook poll?

Really?

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:38 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

59. Actually, CNN is posting odds of Hillary 70%, Bernie 15% ....

that is what I see on their page.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:52 PM

bkkyosemite (5,792 posts)

72. CNN announced it before the debates and gave

the link to the poll. Yet they have not showed it. A focus group on CNN said Bernie won the debate. They had mush in their mouth at CNN.

Google went wild for people looking up Bernie after the debate. Off the charts just about. Others no comparison.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:04 AM

Metric System (6,048 posts)

77. I can't believe the number of DUers who seemingly don't know the difference between online

and scientific polls. They're either being intellectually dishonest or honestly dumbfounded.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #77)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:07 AM

Starry Messenger (32,339 posts)

79. +1000

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Response to Metric System (Reply #77)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:44 AM

thesquanderer (11,745 posts)

97. Yup. I'm a BS supporter and I don't take these polls seriously.

Inherently unscientific. Too easily manipulatable. Skewed to the young and internet savvy. etc. Though I guess they at least speak again to the enthusiasm of his supporters, if not necessarily to their true numbers.

The focus groups, despite the small sample size, are more intriguing, I think. BS seems to be the choice of those at CNN and Fox (don't know if there were others), apparently to the moderators' surprise.

Also, I think the increase in Twitter followers has meaning, as those who were already followers couldn't become followers again, so this would be a difficult deck to stack.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251676197

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:09 AM

cpompilo (323 posts)

80. And Hillary had her best debate ever = 12-15%. Her rhetoric was tired, old, and sooo 20th century.

WIN, Berie, WIN!

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:12 AM

kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)

82. Republicans are voting in heavy numbers. don't be fooled. nt

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:24 AM

tblue37 (62,084 posts)

83. These are the online debate polls I could find--all have Bernie around 75% and Hillary around 17%:

Time Magazine

Bernie Sanders 75 %
Hillary Clinton 17 %
Jim Webb 5 %
Martin O'Malley 3 %
Lincoln Chafee 1 %

Slate Online Magazine

Bernie Sanders 75%
Hillary Clinton 17%
Jim Webb 4%
Martin O'Malley 3%
Lincoln Chafee 1%

San Diego FOX affiliate

Bernie Sanders 74.64% (19,355 votes)
Hillary Clinton 17.53% (4,545 votes)
Jim Webb 3.93% (1,019 votes)
Martin O'Malley 3.3% (856 votes)
Lincoln Chafee 0.6% (156 votes)

Total Votes: 25,931

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:27 AM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

84. Do you have a source for that?

Or are those numbers you own opinions.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:27 AM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

85. I am 100% committed to Bernie!

Go Bernie Go!

And keep up all the great work Berners!

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:30 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

86. Oh everybody knows online polls are meaningless unless they are scientific

I'm sure bernie fans will be up all night voting hundreds of times per person for BS in every online poll that can be found.

Luckily everyone knows those online polls are bogus.

Have fun yall

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:34 AM

Marty McGraw (1,024 posts)

89. there's still time

for you to join in all the crazy shenanigan fun as well if you so choose!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:39 AM

840high (17,196 posts)

92. The poll I voted on - only 1 vote

allowed.

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Response to 840high (Reply #92)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:59 AM

whatthehey (3,660 posts)

181. Just delete cookies, or use a VPN. Piece of cake.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:17 AM

Plucketeer (12,882 posts)

136. Un-huh

What IRONY that the post-debate numbers seem in lockstep with the crowds showing up for Bernie. All just a fluke, of course!

Edit to add: I'd love to know what DWS' opinion is about the taste of crow.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:55 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

176. You could have stopped at "online polls are meaningless"

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:33 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

87. About like here.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:36 AM

restorefreedom (12,655 posts)

91. and now we know why dws wants to squash them

we can quibble about the particulars, but so far it looks like a decisive win for sanders. more exposure equals more support. i think the polls within the week will bear this out

look for dws to cancel the next debate

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:40 AM

C Moon (11,933 posts)

93. I loved Bernie! I thought Hillary did well. I was impressed by O'Malley: never saw him before.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #93)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:58 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

177. +1

It really was a good debate. I especially liked that there was very little mud slinging among the candidates. There was still some, but mostly, they stayed on point with talking about the issues.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:47 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

100. It's the same on every poll

…..I looked at. TIME, Slate, smaller local news outlets——it's Bernie by wide margins.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #100)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:49 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

107. The focus groups also.

CNN and Fox focus groups have a solid win to Sanders.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #107)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:56 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

113. Interesting that it's

…..the same on Fox. I looked but couldn't find the Fox polls—that is, kept being rerouted to some irrelevant page.

How did you find it?

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Response to zentrum (Reply #113)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:01 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

117. It was a Fox focus group of Democrats.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #117)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:29 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

142. Okay, I'll see if i can find it. Thnx.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #142)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:31 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

143. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251676680

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #143)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:04 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

157. Thanks.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:50 AM

Indepatriot (1,253 posts)

108. I'm thinking' about 10-12 point swing in next round of national polls...

Bernie +5/6, Hillary-5/6.... it's real early, and polls this far out are suspect, but I do believe Bernie's coming on strong and steady. Hillary's answering of why a Clinton Administration wouldn't be a 3rd Obama term was a MASSIVE FAIL. Playing the Gender Card on that question was pitiful. My wife was visibly angry ( and that's rare ) that all she had for such a big question was "I'm a woman"... I think that one turned off thousands of viewers...

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #108)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:08 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

124. Yes, I think a 10-12 point bump will show up in next polls.

Sanders had a huge lead in Google searches during the debate...indicates a lot of viewers still didn't know him. Hillary did well enough, but the exposure Sanders got was significant.

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #108)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:02 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

178. The gender card bothered me too. Especially when it was clear the question was policy based.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:54 AM

zentrum (9,865 posts)

112. What's terrible is

…..that the majority of Democrats didn't even know there was a debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/most-u-voters-not-aware-democratic-debate-reuters-195946814.htm

Add to that the fact that you had to have cable. Which is like privatizing the debate process. Which is disgusting in a democracy. The Dems should have made a stink about this. It should have been on network and on radio for people at work.

I blame the DNC for this engineering this elitism. Part of DWS's plan to limit exposure of the full array of Democratic candidates.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:57 AM

SandersDem (592 posts)

115. These numbers do not exist....

....you must assimilate into the Borg.

Instructions to do this:

Thread the needle, declare yourself both a progressive and a moderate. Be happy that Chaffee was there so people could go "Huh?" when he said he was granite providing you with cover.

Ignore Data. (I might just digress here a moment and point out what an incredibly subtle Star trek that was, but then I would ruin the subtlety). Sanders, top search on google, top on Twitter, top on FB, media goes into denial. If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by a Hillary reporter...

Enter the Borg.

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Response to SandersDem (Reply #115)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:44 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

151. "If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by

a Hillary reporter."

Lol, you betcha.

I got the subtlety in "Ignore Data" BTW.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:06 AM

ChimpersMcSmirkers (3,328 posts)

122. Wow DU is getting pretty lame.

Those are polls are where users decide to vote. The links are being passed out in the Sanders subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3oohif/polls/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3ooh1e/polls/
Think upvotes, only on places other than reddit.

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Response to ChimpersMcSmirkers (Reply #122)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:43 AM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

166. Sanders supporters efforts make FreeRepublic's 'Freeping' seem like kid's play.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:07 AM

kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)

123. Folks are voting with there hearts, but Hillary won this debate hands down with realistic, pragmati

reform ideas. She was more Presidential than any of the others. i like Bernie but Hillary is much more experienced and pragmatic than Sanders. Bernie sucked up to BLM in an almost embarrassing way but he is right about criminal justice reform and he and Hillary are about the same on this.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:19 AM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

138. CNN DEBATE RERUN - Anderson announced the "CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE" CNN told people to vote,

REAL PEOPLE, the VOTERS, voted in the CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE poll. Bernie won, BIG. Hillary lost, BIG. Stop being sore losers. You look silly.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #138)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:41 AM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

148. LOL

a Facebook poll? What a joke.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #148)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:47 AM

HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)

152. Did any poll or focus group show Clinton the winner?

Not a one. Only the M$M pundits claim she won, and they had to ignore their own polls to do so. LOL!

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #152)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:28 AM

Bernblu (441 posts)

160. It's actually sad and pathetic

that they make bold assertions with out any evidence and thereby control the narrative. I feel like I'm living in oligarchy.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #148)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:15 AM

BeanMusical (4,389 posts)

159. Other than FB:

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #148)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:10 AM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

163. It's CNN's FACEBOOK page and it's real people voting

Whether you like the results or not. It's more accurate than the phone polls some people think are the "gold standard " in polls.

87.4% population uses the Internet
51.7% of the population don't have or use a landline phone

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:13 AM

Liberty Belle (9,477 posts)

158. Bernie is at 67% at 11 pm; Clinton 15, Webb 15 (Reps must be voting)

O'Malley 2%, Chafee 1%.

Personally I thought Bernie trounced his opponents on nearly every question.
O'Mallley also impressed me favorably. VP material perhaps?
Clinton's refusal to break up big banks was lame and clearly showed the differences, though she did better when talking about family leave and wanting to help families.
Webb sounded like a Republican - pro-coal and nuclear and that bizarre answer on China?
Chafee sounded wimpy and whining, making excuses for bad votes because he was new or daddy just died.

Predicably the lamestream media is distracting from the serious issues discussed by having sensationalist headlines about marijuana and guns...god forbid they should talk about the wealth gap or Bernie's appeal for healthcare for all Americans.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:58 AM

Uncle Joe (56,405 posts)

162. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, monmouth.

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:38 AM

meaculpa2011 (918 posts)

164. I don't need a poll to tell...

me that Bernie won handily.

My only question is: Who are the 1% who think Chafee won?

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:41 AM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

165. Proving once again Sanders supporters flock to 'freep' online polls

At least they're organized enough to do that.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #165)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:07 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

168. Interesting hypothesis. Particularly given that there were at least 6 polls that agreed.

Even fox news posted Bernie as the clear winner. I'm curious, do you have anything to support that spurious claim?

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #168)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:25 AM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

172. ... after allowing people to vote online in polls.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #172)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:08 AM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

179. Yet another claim I'm sure you lack evidence for. Feel free to prove me wrong.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #179)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:49 AM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

180. Show me "at least 6 polls that agreed" with you.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #180)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:02 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

182. Demanding proof after offering none yourself is not a winning argument.

But I'll meet you half way. As the saying goes; Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #182)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:05 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

183. My argument is based on your claim. But here's ONE example from this very thread:

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #183)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:13 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

185. I see nothing as your response.

I do see a placeholder for an image, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you posted something.
Here's my end of the deal:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/14/1432196/-Did-Bernie-Sanders-win-the-debate

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #185)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:18 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

186. they all say 'online' and 'web' polls! LOL.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #186)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:20 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

187. Yup, they do. Meaning the majority who actually watched the debate (probable voters) thought he won.

Its also worth noting that not a single one favored Clinton.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #187)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:21 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

188. no. it means Bernie folks freeped the polls

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #188)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:23 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

189. And once again, you offer a claim without proof.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #189)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:25 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

190. Seems you have a lot of fires to put out this morning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3oohif/polls/

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #190)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:29 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

191. So instead of providing proof, you provide a distraction. Okay.

I guess it was too much to hope for a serious conversation with you.

That's fine.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #191)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:33 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

192. psst! Another thread has been posted showing Hillary won. Better run now!

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #192)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:39 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

193. Let me guess, on reddit? And you take issues with online polls

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #193)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:40 PM

wyldwolf (43,797 posts)

194. No, on that progressive darling Salon.com. Second one from them today.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #194)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:49 PM

Bubzer (4,211 posts)

196. Progressive darling? Seriously? Salon.com is a click-bait site. Always has been and always will be.

They don't care who's winning or losing...only how they can drum traffic to their site.
Even their creator and editor-in-chief David Talbot admitted as much:
"Is Salon more tabloid-like? Yeah, we've made no secret of that."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(website)

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:12 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

170. Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining,

but they never provide the kind of information that belongs in a serious report. Examples include 900-number call-in polls, man-on-the-street surveys, many Internet polls, shopping mall polls, and even the classic toilet tissue poll featuring pictures of the candidates on each roll.

One major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually "volunteer" their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll.

http://www.ncpp.org/?q=node/4

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Response to monmouth4 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:41 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

195. Every poll I've seen says the same thing

Sanders by 4x - 6x

MSNBC is having a Clinton fest right now. They refuse to mention Sanders except in the context of, 'he helped Hillary'. Yet the polls say the opposite. What is happening here?

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