CNN debate numbers are in. HRC between 12-15%, Bernie...80-85%. The rest single digit....n/t

[monmouth4]

[HooptieWagon]

1. DWS: "Cancel the remaining debates!"

[KeepItReal]

23. LMAO!

[TheBlackAdder]

28. X2

[Jack Rabbit]

94. ". . . and no more Christmas, either!"

[azmom]

2. Woohooo. Bernie Sanders th people's president.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. What do those numbers mean? nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. Seconded. Who was asked? How were the questions asked? Online? Some Luntz group? what?

[wendylaroux]

26. online nt

[Fearless]

30. It means that people think Bernie won the debate handily.

[uponit7771]

36. online voting

[Fearless]

41. People.

[Cassiopeia]

102. I think it means Bernie supporters are passionate.

We're tuning in and feelin' the Bern.

We're vocal about it in every medium we can find, from bumper stickers to packed stadiums.

Let's hope we all show up to vote.

[onecaliberal]

4. America will see who is for them.

[cprise]

99. It'll be Jim Webb because...... SQUIRREL!!!

I mean, CHINA!!!

[onecaliberal]

104. hahahahahah

[Cassiopeia]

109. win

[bkkyosemite]

5. Do you have a link

[Motown_Johnny]

6. got a link?

I can't seem to find that.

[monmouth4]

35. Go to CNN and on the right is the debate info...

[Fearless]

43. Here...

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

[Motown_Johnny]

54. Thanks, that helped. n/t

[PADemD]

95. The page is blank.

Do you have to sign in to Facebook to see the results?

[Bubzer]

98. Yes... with facebook or as a guest.

[zentrum]

105. No, not at all.

I voted as "a guest". Was allow one vote and then could see the results right away.

[LittleBlue]

7. Looks good.

I thought Hillary started strong and faded later.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

21. I think they hit the 'guns' topic quicker than she would have wanted.

That was her best shot to outshine Sanders, and it was almost the first thing they did, which let it fade somewhat for viewers.

[Bubzer]

101. All things considered, I thought Hillary did pretty well.

But Bernie definitely came out on top!

[workinclasszero]

8. Where are your numbers coming from?

eom

[itsrobert]

10. Where's your link

numbers don't make any sense

[Fearless]

45. Here...

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

[itsrobert]

51. That link doesn't work for me

n/t

[Bubzer]

103. The link works...but you have to sign in either as a guest or with facebook.

[LSK]

11. its on CNN which links to their FB poll - link

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

[Catherina]

12. Google search results in too

:large

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. WOW!

Go Bernie!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. And that's what he needs. More people trying to learn more about him. nt

[Duckfan]

144. And I believe he accomplished that in spite not being able to watch

Some undecideds should be thinking they liked what they saw. Lets see what the other poll numbers show to get a better snapshot of the country. But I'm encouraged by this news.Thank you.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

167. Despite what the pundits think, I think he snared more than undecideds last night.

I think he probably ate into Hillary's 'weak' supporters, people who were going with her as 'the devil they knew'. Even in the brief snippets with focus groups, they had a person or two who said they had switched over from Hillary to Bernie during the debate.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Are these your numbers or CNN's numbers?

[monmouth4]

31. CNN's....

[Catherina]

42. CNN's

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. Holy Moly!

Thank you!

[Catherina]

69. Here are Slate's results. Bernie crushing it there too

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/democratic_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

[HooptieWagon]

119. But their editors called it for Clinton, lol.

It couldn't be clearer...M$M is completely out of touch with voters.

[Catherina]

149. CNN totally ignoring its own poll AND its own focus group.

"Out of touch" is putting it kindly lol.

[questionseverything]

198. ty for getting screen shots

[Duckfan]

146. 74 Years old and he's knockin them out of the park every at bat.

Wow.

[Catherina]

71. Time Magazine Poll - Bernie 74%

[Catherina]

73. Various poll results

[tomm2thumbs]

145. Just checked in myself

[upaloopa]

14. Not scientific

[Fearless]

47. Just people.

[Logical]

50. Lol, that should be her campaign slogan! Nt

[truedelphi]

135. It really should be her slogan. After all,

It was first used by Bill Clinton when his appointee and major Monsanto lackey Mike Taylor announced that GMO seeds crops and foods were safe, because he scientifically deemed them to be so!

This put the Clintons on the same side of the GMO issue as the Bush family. Can anyone say Corporatist Sellouts, boys and girls?

[BeanMusical]

140. Of course: Corporatist Sellouts.

[JDPriestly]

88. OK. Double Hillary's numbers and cut Bernie's in half.

Bernie still won hands down.

[Bubzer]

110. No poll is... but when they favor our position, we tout them all the same.

[litlbilly]

111. but it would be if the numbers were flipped in Hillary's favor right?

I thought Hillary did ok but Bernie was just Bernie, that's why hes polling like he is.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. As I predicted, Bernie crushed it! Loved it!...wooohooo!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[RandySF]

16. The Facebook poll?

[LSK]

20. CNN facebook poll is ongoing and supports the OP

[RandySF]

25. An online poll?

[LSK]

33. online offline past future history

83% is beyond the margin of error

[RandySF]

38. But it's a self-selectingsample

Just like that poll that had him winning all 50 states.

[LSK]

48. huh? its a FB poll linked from CNN website

How is it self selecting?????

[Scootaloo]

55. People volunteer themselves to take the poll, basically

[LSK]

56. I logged in and voted, so can anyone on FB

Why are people telling me about something that I actually did???

[RandySF]

60. Exactly

That's why it's not a reliable sample. Any campaign or group can tell people to go and vote in an online poll.

[LSK]

62. or anyone on CNN or FB?

It was a debate sponsored by FB and CNN, so is a stretch people would vote in it???

[tomm2thumbs]

147. it's actually a terrific measure of enthusiasm too ... if a candidate's followers don't bother...

... they probably won't extend themselves to go out and vote if push comes to shove

[bluedigger]

90. So how come her campaign isn't doing that?

Where is her enthusiastic base?

[RandySF]

116. It's a waste of energy.

[votesparks]

130. There is no energy in the Clinton campaign

Not one pro-Clinton debate party in our city. We had 140+ show up for our Bernie Party.

Nationwide Sanders had 4,000 debate parties, while Clinton's campaign was able to muster up around 290.

The energy and momentum is in the Bern.

[Plucketeer]

127. Yeah! Where's Hillary's camp?

Maybe they're so busy rejoicing that they haven't come down to earth yet. Yeah - that's gotta be it! LOL!

[Bubzer]

114. However, CNN isn't the only group to come to similar conclusion...

Time, Fox, PalmBeachPost.com, Wishtv.com, slate and statesman all agree with CNN’s poll…Bernie handily won the debate (You can see the polls at post #73).
To be more realistic, those who are most likely to vote are the ones watching the debate... so roughly 75%-80% of likely voting viewers thought Bernie won.

[rhett o rick]

200. The problem with your logic is that although it might have been manipulated, it seems to agree

with all of the other polls and opinions out there.

[kwassa]

64. The poll has no validity as a representative sample.

This is not how true polling works.

[Bubzer]

118. True. And even suposedly representative samples are subjective.

This does however reflect the opinions of those with an interest in politics...and probable voters (Specifically those who watched).

[zeemike]

150. True, true polls poll likely voters.

And how do you determine likely voters?...well who voted last time would be likely...but that is not Representative of the people who could vote or may vote in the future is it?
Too much faith is put on polls.

[Scootaloo]

65. And you went in knowing you were going to answer "sanders" right away, yes?

And you can tell your friends, "hey, here's this poll, go bern it up!" right? And other people can do the same for their candidtes.

It's not a random sample, in other words. It's a bunch of people trying to create a particular outcome.

[bkkyosemite]

63. You just vote....Yah Bernie

[Godhumor]

46. There is no margin of error because it is unscientific n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Bwahahaha!

I'd say so!

[mythology]

70. You clearly don't understand what a margin of error means

This is an online, self-selected poll. It is utterly meaningless. I can't link to it at the moment due to DU2 being down, but there was an MSNBC poll that showed 85% of Americans wanted Bush impeached. But not a single real poll found that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=110x9869

[pnwmom]

154. Any self-selecting poll is beyond the margin of MEANING.

No conclusion can be drawn about it.

[Bubzer]

169. Sure there can! The majority of people who watched the debate thought Bernie won.

[R B Garr]

40. See my response. It:s totally manipulatef

Bullshit

[kwassa]

17. What CNN debate numbers? What are you talking about?

[monmouth4]

27. Go to CNN, on the right are debate links....

[kwassa]

44. been there, done that, see no debate number links at all.

[bkkyosemite]

68. The link is above

[kwassa]

81. and above is where?

[stevenleser]

39. It's an online facebook poll. Not scientific. nt

[kwassa]

49. that makes sense, because the alleged numbers don't.

[R B Garr]

58. It's a total Bullshit manipulation.

I saw disagree votes flood before she started talking.

[BeanMusical]

96. From Catherina's post #73:

Good indicators anyway.

[stevenleser]

106. Not good indicators. All skewed to the internet population. Young Middle class white people.

[BeanMusical]

120. Internet User Demographics

As of January 2014, 87% of American adults use the internet.



http://www.pewinternet.org/data-trend/internet-use/latest-stats/

[Bubzer]

125. That seems like a fairly even spread of internet users. It's almost like all demographics use it...

Go figure.

Thanks for sharing that!

[BeanMusical]

134. But Steven is not convinced so how will I be able to sleep tonight?

[Bubzer]

171. ...

[stevenleser]

126. Thanks. Yes, as I said, the internet skews white, middle class (and higher income) and young. nt

[BeanMusical]

132. Nope.

[stevenleser]

133. That is what your post indicates. Did you not read it before posting? nt

[BeanMusical]

137. You're interpreting the data incorrectly.

Goodnight now.

[stevenleser]

141. Really? Here is the relevant data

85% of whites are internet users versus
81% of African Americans and
83% of Hispanics.

Whites, who are a much larger percentage of the population anyway, have a 4% advantage online over African Americans. Bernie does better among white people and does abysmally among African Americans.


97% of 18-29
93% of 30-49 and
88% of 50-64 and
57% of 65+

There is an almost 10 point difference between ages 50-64 and ages 18-29 and a 40 point difference between ages 18-29 and age 65+. Again, Bernie does better with young voters and Hillary does better with older ones.

77% of less than $30,000/yr
85% of 30K-49K
93% of 50-74K
99% of 75K

And here is the data on wealth. There is a huge difference.

Again, what were you reading?

[One Man Stands Alone]

155. Source?

[stevenleser]

156. Source is Beanmusical's #120 above.

[Bubzer]

121. You were good until you said: Young Middle class white people. What supporting evidence do you have

[stevenleser]

128. See Bean's #120. Didnt you know this? nt

[Bubzer]

173. You mean the post that shows a largly evenly distributed demographic among internet users? Yeah.

You said Young Middle class white people skewed the internet poll. I may not be great with math, but I'm pretty sure the 30-64 age ranges contain a few more people than the 18-29 group. Also, a 4 point difference between demographics is not near enough to skew the chart more than 4%. All 6 of the polls posted here clearly show that even were you to grant 4% to your candidate of choice and remove it from a candidate of your choosing, Bernie still won handily. You could cut Bernie's poll numbers in half, and he still would have won. Your claim just doesn't hold water.

[BeanMusical]

139. Bernie can only attract young middle class white people.

Didn't you know this?

[Bubzer]

174. Heh

[Fearless]

18. Not a surprise. We've been saying it all along.

[Fawke Em]

22. Let Bernie Be Bernie.

...said as the wife and mother of Red Sox fans rooting for the Cubbies - all 2015 and shit.

[jfern]

37. Because of BTTF 2?

[monmouth4]

24. Go to CNN on the right are the debate links...n/t

[R B Garr]

32. Total Bullshit. I saw the phony manipulation

From his supporters. Disagree votes started before she started talking. That was total spam Bullshit

[Logical]

53. Says the losing side! Nt

[R B Garr]

74. Lol, who cares about childish internet games

Phony bullshit

[Logical]

75. Lol! Nt

[R B Garr]

78. It was Lol to watch

But typical of the BSers

[kenfrequed]

161. Hmm...

Are you referring to Bernie Sanders supporters as BSers? Because that kind of generalizing isn't terribly adult of you.

[StevieM]

131. Hilary did not lose. She has generally gotten good reviews for her performance.

In the coming days there will probably be some scientifically conducted polls. That will give us a better idea of who earned the title of "winner" of the debate.

The early evidence from the CNN focus group indicates that Sanders and Clinton both did very well and the group seemed divided over them. Of course, that isn't a totally scientific sampling either. But it is better than a bunch of people clicking on the internet.

[Bubzer]

175. So people voting doesn't matter, and we should let the handlers decide... got it.

[StevieM]

184. I just said that there would be scientifically conducted polls coming out soon and they would

give us a better idea of who earned the title "winner" of the debate.

[questionseverything]

199. the focus group i saw was overwhelming for sanders

[Fearless]

66. You can't disagree you can only vote for one person!

It's a poll not a DU2 post!

[R B Garr]

76. Lmao, it was flooded before she started talking.

So phony, but typical childishness .

[BeanMusical]

129. Prove it.

[okasha]

197. As we used to say in S. TX

"Vote early, vote often."

[Robbins]

34. I'm thrilled

bernie was great.he made this about us and issues.clinton is phony and all about herself.

[kenfrequed]

52. Well...

I think that might be a bit exaggerated.

Did he do well? Yes. Did he change minds? I hope so.


The method plays to where Sanders support comes from. The young and the technologically savvy.

It is hopeful, but I wouldn't take it as gospel.

[Duckfan]

153. But with the sample survey of people who watched across the country...

...you have to come away with the belief that the rest of the country is fed up with the corporate rule. Thus they see something positive about Bernie as a candidate. Very encouraging to see. And Bernie has to be smiling too.

[itsrobert]

57. A facebook poll?

Really?

[kwassa]

59. Actually, CNN is posting odds of Hillary 70%, Bernie 15% ....

that is what I see on their page.

[bkkyosemite]

72. CNN announced it before the debates and gave

the link to the poll. Yet they have not showed it. A focus group on CNN said Bernie won the debate. They had mush in their mouth at CNN.

Google went wild for people looking up Bernie after the debate. Off the charts just about. Others no comparison.

[Metric System]

77. I can't believe the number of DUers who seemingly don't know the difference between online

and scientific polls. They're either being intellectually dishonest or honestly dumbfounded.

[Starry Messenger]

79. +1000

[thesquanderer]

97. Yup. I'm a BS supporter and I don't take these polls seriously.

Inherently unscientific. Too easily manipulatable. Skewed to the young and internet savvy. etc. Though I guess they at least speak again to the enthusiasm of his supporters, if not necessarily to their true numbers.

The focus groups, despite the small sample size, are more intriguing, I think. BS seems to be the choice of those at CNN and Fox (don't know if there were others), apparently to the moderators' surprise.

Also, I think the increase in Twitter followers has meaning, as those who were already followers couldn't become followers again, so this would be a difficult deck to stack.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251676197

[cpompilo]

80. And Hillary had her best debate ever = 12-15%. Her rhetoric was tired, old, and sooo 20th century.

WIN, Berie, WIN!

[kelliekat44]

82. Republicans are voting in heavy numbers. don't be fooled. nt

[tblue37]

83. These are the online debate polls I could find--all have Bernie around 75% and Hillary around 17%:

Time Magazine

Bernie Sanders 75 %
Hillary Clinton 17 %
Jim Webb 5 %
Martin O'Malley 3 %
Lincoln Chafee 1 %

Slate Online Magazine

Bernie Sanders 75%
Hillary Clinton 17%
Jim Webb 4%
Martin O'Malley 3%
Lincoln Chafee 1%

San Diego FOX affiliate

Bernie Sanders 74.64% (19,355 votes)
Hillary Clinton 17.53% (4,545 votes)
Jim Webb 3.93% (1,019 votes)
Martin O'Malley 3.3% (856 votes)
Lincoln Chafee 0.6% (156 votes)

Total Votes: 25,931

[JDPriestly]

84. Do you have a source for that?

Or are those numbers you own opinions.

[SoapBox]

85. I am 100% committed to Bernie!

Go Bernie Go!

And keep up all the great work Berners!

[workinclasszero]

86. Oh everybody knows online polls are meaningless unless they are scientific

I'm sure bernie fans will be up all night voting hundreds of times per person for BS in every online poll that can be found.

Luckily everyone knows those online polls are bogus.

Have fun yall

[Marty McGraw]

89. there's still time

for you to join in all the crazy shenanigan fun as well if you so choose!

[840high]

92. The poll I voted on - only 1 vote

allowed.

[whatthehey]

181. Just delete cookies, or use a VPN. Piece of cake.

[Plucketeer]

136. Un-huh

What IRONY that the post-debate numbers seem in lockstep with the crowds showing up for Bernie. All just a fluke, of course!

Edit to add: I'd love to know what DWS' opinion is about the taste of crow.

[Bubzer]

176. You could have stopped at "online polls are meaningless"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

87. About like here.

[restorefreedom]

91. and now we know why dws wants to squash them

we can quibble about the particulars, but so far it looks like a decisive win for sanders. more exposure equals more support. i think the polls within the week will bear this out

look for dws to cancel the next debate

[C Moon]

93. I loved Bernie! I thought Hillary did well. I was impressed by O'Malley: never saw him before.

[Bubzer]

177. +1

It really was a good debate. I especially liked that there was very little mud slinging among the candidates. There was still some, but mostly, they stayed on point with talking about the issues.

[zentrum]

100. It's the same on every poll

…..I looked at. TIME, Slate, smaller local news outlets——it's Bernie by wide margins.

[HooptieWagon]

107. The focus groups also.

CNN and Fox focus groups have a solid win to Sanders.

[zentrum]

113. Interesting that it's

…..the same on Fox. I looked but couldn't find the Fox polls—that is, kept being rerouted to some irrelevant page.

How did you find it?

[HooptieWagon]

117. It was a Fox focus group of Democrats.

[zentrum]

142. Okay, I'll see if i can find it. Thnx.

[HooptieWagon]

143. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251676680

[zentrum]

157. Thanks.

[Indepatriot]

108. I'm thinking' about 10-12 point swing in next round of national polls...

Bernie +5/6, Hillary-5/6.... it's real early, and polls this far out are suspect, but I do believe Bernie's coming on strong and steady. Hillary's answering of why a Clinton Administration wouldn't be a 3rd Obama term was a MASSIVE FAIL. Playing the Gender Card on that question was pitiful. My wife was visibly angry ( and that's rare ) that all she had for such a big question was "I'm a woman"... I think that one turned off thousands of viewers...

[HooptieWagon]

124. Yes, I think a 10-12 point bump will show up in next polls.

Sanders had a huge lead in Google searches during the debate...indicates a lot of viewers still didn't know him. Hillary did well enough, but the exposure Sanders got was significant.

[Bubzer]

178. The gender card bothered me too. Especially when it was clear the question was policy based.

[zentrum]

112. What's terrible is

…..that the majority of Democrats didn't even know there was a debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/most-u-voters-not-aware-democratic-debate-reuters-195946814.htm

Add to that the fact that you had to have cable. Which is like privatizing the debate process. Which is disgusting in a democracy. The Dems should have made a stink about this. It should have been on network and on radio for people at work.

I blame the DNC for this engineering this elitism. Part of DWS's plan to limit exposure of the full array of Democratic candidates.

[SandersDem]

115. These numbers do not exist....

....you must assimilate into the Borg.

Instructions to do this:

Thread the needle, declare yourself both a progressive and a moderate. Be happy that Chaffee was there so people could go "Huh?" when he said he was granite providing you with cover.

Ignore Data. (I might just digress here a moment and point out what an incredibly subtle Star trek that was, but then I would ruin the subtlety). Sanders, top search on google, top on Twitter, top on FB, media goes into denial. If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by a Hillary reporter...

Enter the Borg.

[BeanMusical]

151. "If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by

a Hillary reporter."

Lol, you betcha.


I got the subtlety in "Ignore Data" BTW.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

122. Wow DU is getting pretty lame.

Those are polls are where users decide to vote. The links are being passed out in the Sanders subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3oohif/polls/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3ooh1e/polls/
Think upvotes, only on places other than reddit.

[wyldwolf]

166. Sanders supporters efforts make FreeRepublic's 'Freeping' seem like kid's play.

[kelliekat44]

123. Folks are voting with there hearts, but Hillary won this debate hands down with realistic, pragmati

reform ideas. She was more Presidential than any of the others. i like Bernie but Hillary is much more experienced and pragmatic than Sanders. Bernie sucked up to BLM in an almost embarrassing way but he is right about criminal justice reform and he and Hillary are about the same on this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

138. CNN DEBATE RERUN - Anderson announced the "CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE" CNN told people to vote,

REAL PEOPLE, the VOTERS, voted in the CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE poll. Bernie won, BIG. Hillary lost, BIG. Stop being sore losers. You look silly.

[itsrobert]

148. LOL

a Facebook poll? What a joke.

[HooptieWagon]

152. Did any poll or focus group show Clinton the winner?

Not a one. Only the M$M pundits claim she won, and they had to ignore their own polls to do so. LOL!

[Bernblu]

160. It's actually sad and pathetic

that they make bold assertions with out any evidence and thereby control the narrative. I feel like I'm living in oligarchy.

[BeanMusical]

159. Other than FB:

[in_cog_ni_to]

163. It's CNN's FACEBOOK page and it's real people voting

Whether you like the results or not. It's more accurate than the phone polls some people think are the "gold standard " in polls.

87.4% population uses the Internet
51.7% of the population don't have or use a landline phone

[Liberty Belle]

158. Bernie is at 67% at 11 pm; Clinton 15, Webb 15 (Reps must be voting)

O'Malley 2%, Chafee 1%.

Personally I thought Bernie trounced his opponents on nearly every question.
O'Mallley also impressed me favorably. VP material perhaps?
Clinton's refusal to break up big banks was lame and clearly showed the differences, though she did better when talking about family leave and wanting to help families.
Webb sounded like a Republican - pro-coal and nuclear and that bizarre answer on China?
Chafee sounded wimpy and whining, making excuses for bad votes because he was new or daddy just died.

Predicably the lamestream media is distracting from the serious issues discussed by having sensationalist headlines about marijuana and guns...god forbid they should talk about the wealth gap or Bernie's appeal for healthcare for all Americans.

[Uncle Joe]

162. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, monmouth.

[meaculpa2011]

164. I don't need a poll to tell...

me that Bernie won handily.

My only question is: Who are the 1% who think Chafee won?

[wyldwolf]

165. Proving once again Sanders supporters flock to 'freep' online polls

At least they're organized enough to do that.

[Bubzer]

168. Interesting hypothesis. Particularly given that there were at least 6 polls that agreed.

Even fox news posted Bernie as the clear winner. I'm curious, do you have anything to support that spurious claim?

[wyldwolf]

172. ... after allowing people to vote online in polls.

[Bubzer]

179. Yet another claim I'm sure you lack evidence for. Feel free to prove me wrong.

[wyldwolf]

180. Show me "at least 6 polls that agreed" with you.

[Bubzer]

182. Demanding proof after offering none yourself is not a winning argument.

But I'll meet you half way. As the saying goes; Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[wyldwolf]

183. My argument is based on your claim. But here's ONE example from this very thread:

[Bubzer]

185. I see nothing as your response.

I do see a placeholder for an image, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you posted something.
Here's my end of the deal:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/14/1432196/-Did-Bernie-Sanders-win-the-debate

[wyldwolf]

186. they all say 'online' and 'web' polls! LOL.

[Bubzer]

187. Yup, they do. Meaning the majority who actually watched the debate (probable voters) thought he won.

Its also worth noting that not a single one favored Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

188. no. it means Bernie folks freeped the polls

[Bubzer]

189. And once again, you offer a claim without proof.

[wyldwolf]

190. Seems you have a lot of fires to put out this morning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3oohif/polls/

[Bubzer]

191. So instead of providing proof, you provide a distraction. Okay.

I guess it was too much to hope for a serious conversation with you.

That's fine.

[wyldwolf]

192. psst! Another thread has been posted showing Hillary won. Better run now!

[Bubzer]

193. Let me guess, on reddit? And you take issues with online polls

[wyldwolf]

194. No, on that progressive darling Salon.com. Second one from them today.

[Bubzer]

196. Progressive darling? Seriously? Salon.com is a click-bait site. Always has been and always will be.

They don't care who's winning or losing...only how they can drum traffic to their site.
Even their creator and editor-in-chief David Talbot admitted as much:
"Is Salon more tabloid-like? Yeah, we've made no secret of that."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(website)

[workinclasszero]

170. Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining,

but they never provide the kind of information that belongs in a serious report. Examples include 900-number call-in polls, man-on-the-street surveys, many Internet polls, shopping mall polls, and even the classic toilet tissue poll featuring pictures of the candidates on each roll.

One major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually "volunteer" their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll.

http://www.ncpp.org/?q=node/4

[AgingAmerican]

195. Every poll I've seen says the same thing

Sanders by 4x - 6x

MSNBC is having a Clinton fest right now. They refuse to mention Sanders except in the context of, 'he helped Hillary'. Yet the polls say the opposite. What is happening here?