Hillary supporters don't go to rallies, don't vote in internet polls, what DO they do???

[reformist2]

I mean seriously, where the hell ARE they? There are some here at DU, I'll admit, but they are clearly outnumbered by Bernie supporters. Even Hillary supporters will admit to that.

So, where are all the Hillary supporters?? Is there some secret place on the internet I can find them all hanging out together, like some game of sardines?? Or do they wait by their land-line phones all day, waiting for Gallup to call them? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[onehandle]

1. We go to polling booths. nt

[Dawgs]

2. Maybe. There weren't enough of you in 2007 and we don't if there will be now. n/t

[onehandle]

4. I wasn't one of them in 2007. Nor was I in 2008 when the actual voting happened.

Polls seem to indicate that there will be plenty this time around.

[Dawgs]

20. Got it. You don't know if Hillary will do better at the polls. n/t

[demwing]

61. polls "seemed" to indicate the same thing in 2007

what else ya got?

[JaneyVee]

11. And register new voters.

[sabrina 1]

33. Don't Hillary supporters have any cell phones, Ipads etc? Bernie supporters can register new voters

AND vote in polls at the same time.

[JaneyVee]

34. Hillary supporters skew mostly 35 and up.

Hardly the demographic to put their life on hold and rush to the internet to vote in an online poll.

[azmom]

110. Put their life on hold and rush to the Internet. LOL

Where is this internet you are talking about that I have to put my life on hold to reach?

[Fawke Em]

122. I'm a 45 year old, white, Southern, married woman.

I'm a Bernie fan.

I also work in public relations for the tech industry.

I know how to send an email, vote in a poll, read and write on social media sites and talk to my family at the same time. It's really not that hard anymore. I mean, it's not like I'm having to put my life on hold while waiting for the AOL dial buzz or something.

Geesch.

[demwing]

59. lol...2008

[Godhumor]

3. If you don't understand how people bragging they voted on 5 different polls

Invalidates them then there really is no discussion.

Sanders supporters purposely overwhelming online polls indicates nothing more than Bernie supporters decided to overwhelm the polls.

[reformist2]

9. We can't know that, though. Until the next "official" survey from Gallup comes out, of course.

[Godhumor]

13. Gallup doesn't do daily tracking anymore

And yes the effect of a debate will be measured in the polling that happens between now and the next debate.

I'm not sure what make outfit is first up with a poll taken after the debate, but I have no doubt that one side or the other will be quoting the Reuters silliness at the end of this week while we wait.

[hrmjustin]

5. We eat kittens and puppies.

[trueblue2007]

77. AND EAT HAMSTERS. lots and lots of them cute little hamsters.

[Jesus Malverde]

90. Dang justin one of the nicest guys on du!

Don't get too caught up in the craziness.

Stay cool my friend.

[WI_DEM]

6. They probably organize and vote

I'm not putting down rallies but I was with Howard Dean in 2003-2004 and he had big rallies & he had lots of "meet-ups" and support on the internet. But in the end it didn't get him any primary wins beyond his home state. Now, Bernie is doing better than that, I agree, but big crowds at rallies don't necessarily elect a president.

[Robbins]

14. um

Obama got crowds and had support on the internet.

[sabrina 1]

35. Same thing with Obama. He had even bigger crowds and was very popular online. Many people

believe that without the online activism, he might not have won that election.

[Sheepshank]

80. Many others believe it had more to do with Obama's presence, his candidacy

and getting out the vote that got him elected.

[artislife]

106. We are getting out the vote

If you got to Feelthe bern you would see there is an area for your state and what is going on. A lot of what is going on in my state is how to register events in libraries along with how to caucus workshops. The ground crew for Obama didn't all turn to H this election cycle. There are a lot of pretrained organizers.

At the events, there are people walking up and down the lines with information on how to register to vote, sign up sheets etc.

Don't worry, we are mobilized.

[Sheepshank]

114. Good....but that had nothing to do with this subthread

I was responding to the ridiculous assertion that the on line presence of Obama supporters is what won him the election.

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. Donate money to her campaign

[wilsonbooks]

66. The rich one do.

[hrmjustin]

78. Your statement is ridiculous.

I am not rich and have given a few dollars.

[Sheepshank]

81. clearly you have no idea what you are talking about

we've had plent of links here on DU indicating 90+% of Hillary's money comes from small (Under $100 I believe was said) donations.

you sound petualnt and snide with that comment.

[MineralMan]

8. They vote. That's what they do.

They can be counted on to go to the polls and cast their votes. That's where they go.

[artislife]

67. Well you and others seem to think

that Bernie supporters won't.


Because since he hasn't run for president before, there is no hard data on whether his national supporters will get out the vote.


But you could look at his past elections to see if people have, indeed, shown up and pulled the lever, so to speak.

[MineralMan]

70. No. I think that voters will vote.

If you want a look into how they will vote, just keep following the polls. Wishing doesn't make anything so. And I've been looking at past elections since 1960. Who wins depends on a lot more factors than policy positions. While they're important to some, for many, other factors influence the decision.

Watch out for confirmation bias on discussion forums like this one. DU doesn't reflect the general voting population in any way. It doesn't even reflect Democratic voting behavior very well.

[artislife]

71. This is not my only source

From where I take the pulse of the nation.


Not by a long shot.

[MineralMan]

72. Yes, I'm sure that's true.

Good luck with that.

[artislife]

73. heh

Don't worry, nothing is brewing...not one damn thing...heh

[Nye Bevan]

10. "How could Nixon have won? Nobody I know voted for him" - Pauline Kael

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pauline_Kael

and yes, I know that's not a strictly accurate quote but it captures the spirit of the OP.

[pinebox]

12. No I think this does

Complete with infographs from many multiple sources
http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/1955149/sanders-cashes-clintons-emails-tune-1-3-million/
The OP has a good question. What's up with this? Why is it that every single internet source shows Bernie absolutely crushing Hillary? Where are her supporters?
It's a very valid question.

Look at this.

[leftynyc]

24. I don't tweet and I don't facebook

But I haven't ever missed an election since my 18th birthday. I would imagine there are plenty of us.

[pinebox]

28. And you're a rarity

because most American's these days do just that, many on both.
Check it;

"As of January 2014, 74% of online adults use social networking sites."
http://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheets/social-networking-fact-sheet/

[leftynyc]

55. I know

I'm leary of having a big social network footprint. That's as a result of the Bush administration. I don't trust republicans.

[artislife]

69. And you are somehow implying

that those who do, don't vote.
hmm.

You have no basis in fact because we have not seen Bernie in a national election, therefore we haven't seen whether the Bernie supporters actually show up to vote.


We have seen his supporters show up and vote on a city and state level, though.

[leftynyc]

87. Why do so many of you feel

so comfortable shoving words into my mouth? The ACTUAL implication that was made was that because Bernie won on twitter and facebook that it was the Hillary voters that weren't excited or planning to vote. I was simply pointing out that simply was not true and you somehow decided to say I implied something that simply was not there. I'm done with this stupid conversation.

[Bread and Circus]

94. Yet here you are... on the internet all the same.

[leftynyc]

97. What does that have

to do with facebook and twitter? Those were the topics of conversation.

[Bread and Circus]

98. Because to me there is a subtext to this that

To Hillary supporters regions of the internet that are unfavorable to her are cast as a bunch of click happy kids but magically somehow there are other regions of the internet that are aok and worthy of soending time on.

Or theres the sentimwnt that Hillary supporters are too adroit and do not have enough time to be on Facebook or whatever but yet they post here nonstop everyday the same crap over and over.

To me its a big bunch of hypocrisy writ large.

Peronally, in my opinion, it is highly offensive.

In other words don't be on an internet forum board posting non stop then act like being another part of the internet is meaningless.

[leftynyc]

99. Really?

I post "non-stop"? And I never called facebook or twitter meaningless (where do you get this stuff?). Just look at the heading of this OP - the implication being that since Hillary supporters are not on social media, we don't exist in the online universe. There is nothing hypocritical about it - I think social media is fine for those who like it but it says nothing about those who don't. Your persecution complex is leading you to make charges that 1. don't make sense and 2. are complete bullshit.

[Bread and Circus]

100. Yah, really.

[leftynyc]

102. Oh do feel free

to show where I post "non-stop" the same things over and over again. It should be a magnificent waste of your time but will prove your post was nothing but bullshit. So go ahead and prove me wrong.

[artislife]

104. Says the guy with over 15,000 posts. nt

[leftynyc]

105. First, I'm a woman

And second, that's since 2002 when I joined DU - so let's see -15,000 posts over 13 years averages to 3 per day. That's what you call non-stop? And let's not forget the charge that I post the same thing over and over again. Go ahead and prove it.

[artislife]

107. ..

[leftynyc]

117. Thank you for conceding defeat

Next time don't make charges you can't back up and I wont have to embarrass you.

[artislife]

119. Oh my god

You are tightly wound this morning! I suggest some lavendar and a massage. It will help release all that tension.


http://www.massagetherapy.com/learnmore/benefits.php

Feel Better!!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

101. Same here...

I do have Facebook, but I have it filtered so I don't have to see most of the crap that's on there that I don't want to see. I use it exclusively to be in touch with friends and family. Twitter I don't do. Seems like just another version of Facebook to me and everyone I know is on Facebook, so that is good enough. I don't have an iPhone or iPad. I have a simple work cell phone. I'm probably a rarity for someone born at the tail end of Gen X. It is true that most the people my age have iPhones and are on them constantly. I think a lot of people don't think about how much time that technology is consuming in their lives. Since I work in tech, I can't stay away from computers and the internet altogether, but I try my best to moderate myself. I try to make sure I spend most of my free time off the internet instead of on it. Plus, I have kids and I want to teach them to not be internet junkies. Not sure how good of a job I am doing with that, but I keep trying.

[leftynyc]

103. I do have an ipad

but am an adroid gal for a smartphone. The ipad was a gift. My niece keeps nagging me to get on facebook but honestly, I'm just not interested. Twitter seems like an excellent device for breaking news but for anything else it seems redundant so not interested in that either (I get late breaking news alerts on my smartphone so it's not like I'm missing anything). I think I'll take what this younger generation has to say more seriously when more of them get off their lazy asses and vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. You do grasp that Kael's comment is a bit of humor and not her declaring amazement at Nixon's win

don't you? It's a joke. She was a very clever writer and one of the best film critics ever.

[Nye Bevan]

31. As I mentioned in the post, that wasn't even a real quote.

She actually said: "I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them."

Which I think also kind of captures the feeling of some Sanders supporters.

[Adrahil]

15. We're busy hiding emails, obviously.

TBH, I don't feel the need to go to rallies OR vote in meaningless online "polls."

[Historic NY]

16. They pound the shoe leather door to door and thats exactly what they are doing.......

apparently twitter is just a discovery with some campaigns. She has 4.47 million followers.

[SwampG8r]

21. Some of them real too!

[RandySF]

17. What I do

Work. Take my kid to school and/or pick him up. Help with homework. Take him to his games or recitals. Read. Watch TV/movie. Donate. Vote.

[RandySF]

18. All this reminds me of the Dean echo chamber in 2003.

[Autumn]

19. They spend their time critiquing Bernie and his supporters.

[leftynyc]

22. Shrug

Working for a living. Donating our time to phone banks. I personally don't like crowds so never show at a rally but haven't missed a vote since I'm 18 (I'm 54). I also don't answer calls from numbers I don't know so I can't be waiting for a polling company to be calling. Why do all of you sound like Romney and the unskewed polls dude from 2012?

[tritsofme]

26. Seriously, hanging your hat on Internet polls makes you guys look really stupid.

[reformist2]

27. That's why I mentioned the crowds that don't show up to see Hillary. Explain that!

[tritsofme]

56. Ask Presidents Ron Paul and Howard Dean

If crowds elect people...or ballots.

[artislife]

108. Consistent crowds across the nation and the numbers

Just because people buy and drink RC cola, it doesn't mean it is as big and far reaching as Coke.

Those two examples fade when details are scrutinized.

[global1]

36. Don't Underestimate The Power Of The Internet And Social Media.....

It's a new world out there and many political consultants don't know how to function in it and use it to their advantage. They are old school. They will be looking back at the 2016 race for the WH and will have to alter their strategies going forward or lose their jobs as political consultants going forward to those that understand the impact and importance of the internet and social media.

[reddread]

29. hillarysupporters.com

or whatever it is.
thinking of ways to use all those Billionaire Bucks

[Zorra]

30. Why should they do anything? The banksters pay for everything ~

MSM, twitter followers, internet trolls, endorsements, all campaign needs, etc, ad nauseum.

I don't even see Hillary bumper stickers anywhere.

It's not like they have to choose between either donating $20 to finance her campaign, or not paying the electric bill this month.

[NCTraveler]

32. Get off du and get out more. Your op was painful to read.

These are thoughts that become real to individuals when they hang out in echo chambers.

[reformist2]

38. Sorry, this isn't 1996. Everyone is on the internet these days. Everyone.

[NCTraveler]

43. Not sure where I argued against that.

Now I have felt pain for a second time. That knock on your door thirty minutes ago was a live Hillary supporter wanting to talk to you. I know you got a little nervous and were trying to figure out where the knock was coming from your computer. There is a whole world out there. Knock Knock. Check your front door. It wasn't your computer fan going bad. lol. Have a wonderful day.

[quickesst]

37. I think some

.... believe that pissing, moaning, groaning, and crying loudly is showing more support for their candidate as opposed to the quiet confidence Hillary's supporters have. That confidence has been twisted into the false memes created by some of Bernie's supporters such as "The Anointed One, it's her turn, or the chosen one" etc. It's all you have to remember. They created them, not us.

[reformist2]

40. The silent majority of Hillary supporters, huh?

[quickesst]

74. If you're going to

... it should make sense appropriate to my statement. Thanks

[Le Taz Hot]

39. Earl G locked one of my threads asking exactly the same question.

I'd STILL like an answer.

[reformist2]

42. All I'm hearing is: we're out there. But NO evidence. Not even a popular Hillary pinterest page!

[Le Taz Hot]

44. And the complaints that internet polls aren't "scientific."

I would imagine Hillary supporters have roughly the same internet access as Bernie supporters. And especially since she has millions of social media followers, why aren't they burning up the internet like Sanders supporters are?

[artislife]

109. They focus all their energy on just two areas

This site and the monster site they just created.

[workinclasszero]

41. We get off our ass and vote for real

eom

[Cosmocat]

45. sit around obediently waiting for orders from the establishment?

and apparently vote in polls?

If they are such despicable people why concern yourself with them?

[JTFrog]

46. "So, where are all the Hillary supporters??"

They aren't welcome on DU at the moment and that's unfortunate. It's easier to get shit done in an environment that isn't full of hate and teeth gnashing. So they are probably getting shit done elsewhere.

But don't worry, they will be here in full force after Hillary wins the nomination and the terms of service kick in.

Until then, enjoy your echo chamber.

[Robbins]

51. Keep telling yourself that

so they outnumber bernie supporters but leave because they can't handle those who support bernie? your the ones living in echo
chamber.

keep dreaming bernie is going to win and no amount of spin from MSM will change that.

[JTFrog]

54. Yea, DU said the same thing about Kucinich...

But I'm the dreamer...

[JoePhilly]

96. + 1

[restorefreedom]

47. this may be the only time this clip fits

and i am not gonna miss the opportunity



https://m.

[FSogol]

49. LOL, you beat me to it. n/t

[restorefreedom]

50. i am glad someone else remembers and agrees! nt

[FSogol]

48. What do they do?

[restorefreedom]

52. great minds, right? :) nt

[senz]

53. They don't have to mix with the hoi polloi.

They know corporate America will take care of them.

[brooklynite]

57. 18 M votes in 2008...lot of 1%ers?

[senz]

64. Voters, supporters and sponsors are 3 different groups (with overlap, of course).

The 1% are her sponsors; they know she'll do what they want her to do.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

58. IRL they don't exist. I don't know a single living breathing person who is even remotely interested

In voting for her or attend any of her events

Sanders supporters are everywhere!

Maybe once every other day I will see a car with a Hillary sticker but every day I see multiple cars with Sanders stickers!

Perhaps she thinks she can buy the votes like Facebook likes she appears to have bought the pundits so it is not out of the realm of probability

[MineralMan]

60. You may need to get out more, I think.

If you don't know anyone who supports Clinton, you have a very limited group of acquaintances.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

62. I have a large circle of friends almost all liberal and progressive too guess if I hung out with

Conservatives some would support her

Alas, life is to short to hang out with conservatives so it looks like I will not be meeting any HRC supporters anytime soon

That is if they exist IRL

Heck I don't even think I would want to hang out with anyone who thinks she should be POTUS.

Pointless to be friends too nothing in common and no shared values.

[MineralMan]

63. Yah, OK, then.

[zappaman]

65. I know plenty.

But then again, I interact with a lot of people IRL.
I'm sociable that way I guess.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

68. My experience is the same. nt

[trueblue2007]

75. this is a total lie. what is the original poster basing his accusation on? NO FACTS!!!

[trueblue2007]

76. ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN???? Why are you slamming our Democrats?

Slamming a legitimate Candidate and millions of supporters. SHAME SHAME ON YOU.

[Lancero]

79. All of her supporters are at HCS...

It's a site by and for Hillary Clinton supporters, so they tend to congregate their.

She has many supporters, though the site is getting off to a slow start. Right now they have just over 10k registered members, but more will come once they start spreading the word.

...Wait, they don't have 10k members? Not even 5k? Nor 1k? But... Supporters, site by and for them, why don't they join it?

Ok, a really slow start then with a few hundred members - What? Only 94? Thats... wow. Do they even care enough to spread the word to her supporters?

[AgingAmerican]

82. There is no excitement behind her candidacy

Bernie has all the momentum right now.

[brooklynite]

89. ...and Hillary has the votes...

[JI7]

83. most of them are involved in local community activism

[workinclasszero]

84. Win actual elections for Hillary

See ya March 1st Super Tuesday

[taught_me_patience]

85. Two kids, full time job, and small business owner

I don't have time for shit like twitter and facebook.

My wife, a big Hillary supporter, also runs her own business. She didn't even watch one second of the debate.

[uponit7771]

93. +1000000

[Bread and Circus]

95. Yet you have time to post on DU? Umm...

I really don't get all this "the internets is for kids" samctimony literally posted on an internet forum board with no hint of irony whatsoever.

[artislife]

111. It makes me giggle...nt

[sabrina 1]

86. They are scientifically staying away from political rallies and polls.

[artislife]

112. *chortle nt

[riversedge]

88. I think you make yourself out to be a fool to the world with your post. Try

not to demean yourself and other Democrats next time you post.

[sibelian]

91. Support for Clinton is all about fear of Republicans.

That's not enough motivation to do anything other than wave hands around moaning about Republicans, flinching at Sarah Palin and cuddling in the dark whenever Coulter opens her mouth.

They don't care about Clinton beyond the extent to which they can present her as something that ISN'T something else.

She's not a Republican. She's not a man. She's not a silly ideologue. BTW, she's still not a Republican.

DU has an extremely wide range of contributions from a huge number of people. There is a small minority whose primary goal is to get diagonal.

You'll have noticed that the vast majority of the Clinton supporters that escaped to the Other Site That Shall Not Be Named are people who have spent their entire time here coming up with contributions that oppose something that someone else has said. They have high post counts and a history of long exchanges of the "ner ner ner that's your opinion" variety, ideas that are information-lite, opinion-heavy, emotive, largely disinterested in whatever anyone else says. They also have a propensity to pretend that their correspondents on DU have all sorts of personality flaws and are out to get them, they use this as an excuse for foul behaviour. Politics, for them, is a lightning conductor.

They view politics as a giant argument. And so they're obviously far more interested in the Opponent than any genuinely useful activity acheivable by their own side. There's a deep need for the acheivement to NOT be what the Opponent wants, they have very little in the way of any external validation for the positions they repeatedly leap to at the drop of a hat.

If other people disagree with them, they must have been in the right to start with.

I don't think that's a terribly useful way of thinking about politics. It's structureless and vulnerable to all sorts of messy, self-generated internal contradictions.

[artislife]

113. What an opus!

sorry my reply isn't nearly as gifted.

[boston bean]

92. Who are you Adam Ant? LOL

[Stellar]

115. Are you being facetious?

"Or do they wait by their land-line phones all day waiting for Gallup to call them?"

I could be wrong but, I would imagine Hillary supporters already know her and they don't have that same excitement about her as the Bernie supporters have about him, he is the unknown entity in this election. So, I'm not surprised that Bernies supporters/fans are very excited about this election, and they should be.

[Fearless]

116. They're all stuck posting on DU

[BooScout]

118. Oh lordy...a thread complaining....

...that HRCers don't spend enough time voting on internet polls that at the end of the day are meaningless and prove nothing.

Why am I even bothering to take the time to respond to this?

[workinclasszero]

120. Its ridiculous isn't it?

Bernie Sanders followers are really losing touch with reality it seems.

[Fawke Em]

121. They write smug and condescending posts on message boards

about how their candidate IS the next president.

You know, just like they did in 2008.

[SharonClark]

123. Well, I have a life - I'm busy

I work, have a house and garden to maintain and dogs to walk. I'm on the board of several all volunteer non-profits, I'm on the democratic county central committee, I door knock for candidates, I organize events, I go to the theatre and concerts several times a week, I drink wine and Single Malt Scotch. I usually run my presidential precinct caucus and register voters. Guess I don't have time to worry about internet polls.