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FSogol

(45,473 posts)
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:00 PM Oct 2015

Did I miss the discussions of Sanders purchasing the top twitter topic?

Originally heard this on NPR. This is from the Wall St Journal

Bernie Sanders Makes Big Twitter Purchase


Ahead of the Democratic debate, Sen. Bernie Sanders became the first 2016 presidential candidate on Tuesday to pay six-figures to take over Twitter’s top trending topic.

Twitter users watching the debate via their smart phones will see the hashtag #DebatewithBernie at the top of the national trending topics – above the hashtag for the debate and other popular items for the day.

A spokesman for Twitter confirmed the Sanders campaign purchased the top trending hashtag, but declined to say the exact cost. In the past, Twitter has charged $200,000 for similar campaigns.

The promoted hashtag is one of Twitter’s most expensive ad options. It allows the campaign to choose which links users see when they click on the hashtag – in order to avoid spam or unsavory tweets “taking over” the hashtag. In this case, the Sanders campaign chose a tweet from Mr. Sanders’ account that asks users to sign up to say good luck to the candidate.



Rest of the article here:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/13/bernie-sanders-makes-big-twitter-purchase/
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Did I miss the discussions of Sanders purchasing the top twitter topic? (Original Post) FSogol Oct 2015 OP
LOL! leftofcool Oct 2015 #1
But paying $630,000 or so for Facebook likes is good business? n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #4
leftofcool is laughing because of the faux outrage over what you just mentioned wyldwolf Oct 2015 #66
Bernie did not buy followers or likes. djean111 Oct 2015 #67
buying a hashtag is buying news placement wyldwolf Oct 2015 #68
So is spending millions of dollars on TV ads. djean111 Oct 2015 #69
This was an ad. It is described by Twitter as an ad. He bought an ad. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #70
Clever, actually. Give em credit where due. Think about it. randys1 Oct 2015 #2
Those aren't trending topics pinebox Oct 2015 #3
From the article: FSogol Oct 2015 #6
That's what the poster just showed you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13
Here's what I see for trends now. None have an "ad" or "promoted" designation. FSogol Oct 2015 #15
Irrevelant post. TM99 Oct 2015 #17
I think it is because they really don't understand it. nt artislife Oct 2015 #25
"New to twitter" pinebox Oct 2015 #62
The campaign purchased an ad on Twitter. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #50
Smart ad buy. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #5
He's probably regretting it now. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #7
Why? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #14
nah....smart buy......much better than the millions that Hillary has spent on ads in Iowa and NH virtualobserver Oct 2015 #18
interesting bigtree Oct 2015 #8
And I'm sure you have quite the imagination demwing Oct 2015 #11
For taking out an ad? I just logged into twitter. Google Photos has an ad which is clearly marked Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #39
Advertising can be purchased by anyone, a straightforward candidate or a crook. Autumn Oct 2015 #52
Bet that ruined some planned fun for his detractors. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #9
Huh? That has nothing to do with the topic. FSogol Oct 2015 #12
It does actually. Fearless Oct 2015 #29
It was right there in the article exceprt in the OP cyberswede Oct 2015 #45
Thanks. n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #48
Maybe. I mentioned it. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #10
The whole point of hundreds of thousands of people donating their hard-earned.. aidbo Oct 2015 #16
Exactly! TM99 Oct 2015 #19
I use Twitter ads in my business too. Get good results. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #21
Socialist! Nonreality Based person! artislife Oct 2015 #26
You know what's funny... I'm not a social media expert. I manage an ecommerce website and I ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #37
The men and women during Mad Men times thought the same artislife Oct 2015 #40
Now that Hillary knows about this . . . Vinca Oct 2015 #20
Obama and Romney both did this during the last election. It is hardly a secret. FSogol Oct 2015 #22
So the point of the post is what? That Hillary is behind the times? Vinca Oct 2015 #51
Bernie supporters and MSNBC's Chris Matthews are holding up Sanders as having the top trending topic FSogol Oct 2015 #54
He did have the top trending Twitter feed though, that's indisputable riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #55
Dinosaur here . . . not totally Twitter literate. Vinca Oct 2015 #64
Smart politics to neutralize the sleaze coming from Annie Oakley. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #23
Buying an ad is 1,000 times better than buying fake followers. arcane1 Oct 2015 #24
And it is an AD, which is what money that is raised artislife Oct 2015 #27
Yep, and I'm glad to have pitched in a few bucks here and there :) arcane1 Oct 2015 #31
You don't understand ad buying on social media. Anyone under 30 is laughing right now. Fearless Oct 2015 #28
I do understand social media ads and advertising. Here's an example of my point since you seemed to FSogol Oct 2015 #32
This has nothing to do with anything. Fearless Oct 2015 #33
The example is not unrelated to my point. Ingersoll Rand owns Trane. How can you have an unbiased FSogol Oct 2015 #35
Ad buys are marked with "promoted by" That is how the WSJ knew that it had been purchased. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #41
30 is in my rearview mirror, and I'm laughing. n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #36
Yep. cyberswede Oct 2015 #46
Smart move, speciall considering many of his followers are young and new to politics. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #30
Scoobie doo head twist artislife Oct 2015 #42
Thanks for you allowance. I feel special?.?.? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #43
I am glad you feel special. We all are in our own way! artislife Oct 2015 #44
It's an ad buy - akin to Hillary buying a tv ad spot riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #34
They bought an ad to appear on the top trending twitter... Ino Oct 2015 #38
A smart buy mythology Oct 2015 #47
Exactly. Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #56
Those damn kids and their fancy scmancy Twitter machine. 99Forever Oct 2015 #49
Oh wow! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #53
So campaigns should never buy tv ad space during debates? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #57
OMG! Aerows Oct 2015 #58
Great campaign ad idea pugetres Oct 2015 #59
You do know you can talk to your kids without a Twitter interface? FSogol Oct 2015 #60
Yep! pugetres Oct 2015 #61
You do realize you can talk to the world on twitter, right? pinebox Oct 2015 #63
Great the Sanders campaign is spending advertising money wisely. n/t slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #65

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
66. leftofcool is laughing because of the faux outrage over what you just mentioned
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie + Twitter = GOOD
Hillary + Facebook = BAD!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
69. So is spending millions of dollars on TV ads.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:20 AM
Oct 2015

News placement really is different than buying likes or followers, because buying likes or followers gives a false impression that many people are liking or following.

"Hillary is the queen of social media!!!!" Using numbers which include purchased likes and followers. Which means she is not the queen.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
70. This was an ad. It is described by Twitter as an ad. He bought an ad.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:29 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary (or her campaign) paid third world workers to create false profiles and then "like" her.


If you can't see the difference then you have serious honesty issues (as does your candidate).



 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
3. Those aren't trending topics
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

Those are "promoted tweets" and there is a huge difference.
It's essentially an ad and an example of such is this. They appear at top of trends but aren't trends.
It's sad to see that so many don't have a clue how social media truly works when it's so entrenched in our society on a daily basis with news and current events.

See the #EasyThrowback tag from Google. That is an ad. Much the same way that #DebateWithBernie was an ad. Everything below it is what's trending. That being said, #FeelTheBern was trending during the debates.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
6. From the article:
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015
Twitter users watching the debate via their smart phones will see the hashtag #DebatewithBernie at the top of the national trending topics – above the hashtag for the debate and other popular items for the day.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
13. That's what the poster just showed you.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

It will appear above the trending tags, but will show as an ad because it says, "promoted."

It's the same thing as the ads that appear at the top of a Google search.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. Irrevelant post.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
Oct 2015

You are not logged in. The ad campaign is done.

You have been given the facts. Why do you continue to dispute them incorrectly?

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
8. interesting
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

...like many others who read these pages regularly, I can just imagine if it was reported that Hillary had done this.

Trending topics can be purchased? That is amazingly cynical for such a supposedly straightforward candidacy.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
39. For taking out an ad? I just logged into twitter. Google Photos has an ad which is clearly marked
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

"Promoted by Google Photos"

There is nothing nefarious about it.

Autumn

(45,055 posts)
52. Advertising can be purchased by anyone, a straightforward candidate or a crook.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

Log and and look at the advertising here, Hillary should do that and get some bang for her bucks.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
9. Bet that ruined some planned fun for his detractors.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:32 PM
Oct 2015

Good for him in forcing the debate to stay focused on the issues that concern everyday Americans without being subject to juvenile disruption by establishment sympathizers.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
45. It was right there in the article exceprt in the OP
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015
It allows the campaign to choose which links users see when they click on the hashtag – in order to avoid spam or unsavory tweets “taking over” the hashtag.


Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
10. Maybe. I mentioned it.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

Or maybe I didn't mention it, but I know I linked to an article that contained that information.

Either way, I knew about it and so did others.

That said, I purchase Twitter ads for work quite regularly. It's a good marketing tool.

BTW, purchasing Twitter ads doesn't mean you win focus groups and Google searches.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
16. The whole point of hundreds of thousands of people donating their hard-earned..
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

..money to his campaign is that they spend that money effectively.

I have no problem at all with him spending money on Twitter ads.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
19. Exactly!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

This is a different type of campaign.

Clinton will spend millions on TV ads. Sanders campaign can not. So spending several hundred thousand on a Twitter ad was wise counsel. And it is obvious that it paid off.

Well done!

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. You know what's funny... I'm not a social media expert. I manage an ecommerce website and I
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:03 PM
Oct 2015

do all the marketing, Facebook ads, Twitter ads, Adwords, SEO, etc. When it comes to Twitter, I have a tough time figuring out how my target audience uses the service. I have a product and I have markets to whom I can promote these products. Those markets have hashtags. But I disconnect in what it is my target audience does in order to ultimately see my promoted tweets. I know some do, but if I knew in a more 3-dimensional way how they think, I might have better results. For instance, I can't figure out why or how my target audience would be using Twitter as a tool in their business. So, though I get results, I'm never sure if I'm doing it in the most efficient way and, in the process, missing some opportunities. But, I'm working on it.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
20. Now that Hillary knows about this . . .
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

Just saying, people. Don't throw stones. It was a great idea and sure to be copied by other candidates.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
51. So the point of the post is what? That Hillary is behind the times?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

You seemed to be taking a shot at Bernie, but maybe I misunderstood.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
54. Bernie supporters and MSNBC's Chris Matthews are holding up Sanders as having the top trending topic
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

on Twitter as an example of winning the debate. The top trending topic was purchased by the Sanders campaign. Hardly the best example of winning a debate.

I have no problems with Sanders, I like what he has to say. I even think he did well in the debate.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
55. He did have the top trending Twitter feed though, that's indisputable
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

exactly how much the Ad buy helped would be hard to determine unless you have an algorithm for that?

It's like saying Hillary Clinton tv ads that ran during the debate "helped her win the debate".

Sure maybe. But how much?

I guess I'm not seeing this as a big "gotcha" story (other than Hillary's campaign doesn't look smart enough to have thought to do it?)


Vinca

(50,261 posts)
64. Dinosaur here . . . not totally Twitter literate.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

Isn't the tally of things that are "retweeted?" And, if so, why would it matter whether something was or was not purchased? A number is a number.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
24. Buying an ad is 1,000 times better than buying fake followers.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not sure what the big deal is supposed to be here

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
32. I do understand social media ads and advertising. Here's an example of my point since you seemed to
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

miss it:

Recently the HVAC company Trane ran a commercial in which they said, that in an independent study by Ingersoll Rand, that Trane was the best manufacturer of HVAC equipment.

Anyone see the problem with taking this statement?

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
33. This has nothing to do with anything.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

Additionally to address your unrelated example... A company is free to promote themselves by sourcing whatever positive data they wish. Just like CNN is perfectly allowed to claim that Hillary won the debate... despite their polls and focus group saying the opposite... and in spite of the fact that they're a subsidiary of Time Warner... Hillary's 7th biggest donor.

Bernie's campaign... Like Obama's and Romney's last time... purchased AD SPACE on social media. Like all the ads purchased on this website for instance. They did so to promote the candidate... why? Because a lot key demographics that support Bernie are TWITTER USERS... So shoring up support amongst his base is an important thing to do.

Is it some how unethical? Certainly not.

Is it a conflict of interest? Not even close.

Was it a smart ad buy targeted at a key demographic? Definitely.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
35. The example is not unrelated to my point. Ingersoll Rand owns Trane. How can you have an unbiased
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

"independent" evaluation of something you have a financial connection to?

If the Sanders campaign wants to buy the top twitter topics, cool, more power to them. That is a great way to attract potential supporters.

But to then hold up "the top trend on twitter" as something special that happened independent of their actions is pretty disingenuous.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. Smart move, speciall considering many of his followers are young and new to politics.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:44 PM
Oct 2015

It's why I also have no problem with Hillary or any other candidate spending money to get better space or to look more dominant on social media. It's simply what has to happen in today's climate. Look how many Sanders supporters bought into the extremely flawed and deceptive polls immediately after the debate. I would be going after that segment hard core if I was a politician. Look how many of these corporate tools are in play today. Does anyone want to mention the corporate worth of Twitter? Facebook? I do think it's funny that they are so against PAC's yet will spend hundreds of thousand here that includes direction to links outside of the campaign. It is buying what a PAC can do directly from ones campaign. They all have to do it and no one can take the anti-corporate high ground here.

What people are calling social media is actually some of the largest and most profitable corporations in the world.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
42. Scoobie doo head twist
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015
Does anyone want to mention the corporate worth of Twitter? Facebook? I do think it's funny that they are so against PAC's yet will spend hundreds of thousand here that includes direction to links outside of the campaign. It is buying what a PAC can do directly from ones campaign.


I am just going to let this stand.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. Thanks for you allowance. I feel special?.?.?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:20 PM
Oct 2015


I negotiate and buy ads on facebook and google for my company. I know very well what a couple hundred grand will get you. It's more than you are aware of.
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
34. It's an ad buy - akin to Hillary buying a tv ad spot
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:57 PM
Oct 2015

its the new ad frontier.

This isn't a problem, it's impressively savvy.

I bet Hillary buys the next one for the next debate.



Ino

(3,366 posts)
38. They bought an ad to appear on the top trending twitter...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

just like companies buy ads to appear during the Super Bowl.

OP FAIL.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
47. A smart buy
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

It's where his target demographic goes for news. Why not reach out to them at a cost effective rate?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
53. Oh wow!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015


A spokesman for Twitter confirmed the Sanders campaign purchased the top trending hashtag, but declined to say the exact cost. In the past, Twitter has charged $200,000 for similar campaigns.



So Bernie was priming the media pump right before the show with a huge amount of cash money eh?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
57. So campaigns should never buy tv ad space during debates?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

Is this a new rule? No candidate ads to run during... Which events would you exclude?

Do you think Hillary Clintons tv ads during the debate ensured that she "won" the debate?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
58. OMG!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

I can't believe Bernie Sanders is so serious about running for President that he advertises that fact!

Alert the news!

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