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[72DejaVu]

1. Under the bus, Ellen! n/t

[wendylaroux]

4. Sillyness,off you go now.

[cosmicone]

12. They'll now swarm Ellen's facebook page and embarrass themselves.

Ellen's fans will think Bernie is an obsessive zealot who bullies people based upon his fans' behavior.

There is now a verb for that "to janegoodall"

[Fawke Em]

16. Wow, you're rather condescending, aren't you?

But, then, you're a Hillary fan, so that goes without saying.

[cosmicone]

20. How is it condescending?

Fact: Jane Goodall's facebook page was trashed by a swarm of Bernie supporters.
Fact: Howard Dean's facebook page was trashed by a swarm of Bernie supporters.
Fact: John Lewis' facebook page was trashed by a swarm of Bernie supporters.
Fact: CNN's facebook page was being trashed by a swarm of Bernie supporters. CNN was smart enough to have bouncers deleting all attacking posts.

Bernie followers swarming against any negativity whatsoever is now an accepted fact and jokes will be written about it as it continues.

[Fawke Em]

26. I just mean you, in general.

I've been seeing your posts in various threads this morning.

[cosmicone]

27. I sincerely apologize if that's how you felt. Not my intention at all. n/t

[upaloopa]

29. Are we subject to intimidation now?

[daleanime]

65. That's "intimidation"? How....

timid.



Have a lovely day.

[bvar22]

31. You listed some things you call "facts",

but you have no support for any of them... just your fantasies and paranoia.

I could just as easily claim that those were all Hillary supporters running a paid "False Flag" political operation because the rise in Bernie's numbers has scared them.
I have just as much evidence to support THAT ridiculous claim as you have to support yours.

What I saw was CNN get caught in trying to Manufacture the News that Hillary had won, and the People who actually watched the Debates responding with the truth.
That is closer to FACT than anything you posted.

[cosmicone]

32. ummmm .. that is so logical

[bettyellen]

34. well, that would be credible if the exact same thing wasn't happening here frequently.

Sadly, it is.

[bvar22]

92. If it was only one way, I might agree with you.

..but Bernie's supporters are attacked frequently too.
EVIDENCE: This Thread.

It is deeply ironic that you would post a Hillary Supporters are VICTIMS in a thread that attacks Bernie supporters.

[George II]

64. How did CNN try to manufacture the news that Hillary had won (much less get caught at it)...

....I haven't seen that.

But the Sanders campaign has been "caught" (if you want to use that term) urging their followers to swarm all of the online polls, and even provided full instructions AND THE TEXT THEY SHOULD USE!

Most people consider online polls unscientific and inaccurate, but that tactic renders the online polls about the debate even less scientific and accurate, if not totally worthless.

[JackInGreen]

66. Link for that pls

Kthxby

[George II]

69. Here you go - better than a link, the actual post sent to so-called "BERNERS".

[zeemike]

79. Link to who sent that please.

I am interisted to find out if this is real or just some bullshit somone made up so that people like you could use it to trash with.

That is just an image...
Which tells us nothing.

[George II]

83. Go to the link just below "Be there! Enough is Enough!"...

....it'll take you to a Bernie Sanders area of Facebook, but the actual page is gone because the event is over.

Since CNN has taken down their online polls, one would suspect they uncovered this trick and concluded their polls were unfairly compromised.

[bvar22]

91. Hillaryous!

I could do a much more professional job with my graphics program in less than 5 minutes,
AND sign it "Hillary Supporters".

Truth is that anonymous posts to the Social Media are NOT "facts".

I am a Bernie supporter,
listed with his campaign,
on Bernie's mailing and E-Mail list.
I did NOT receive the anonymous "notice" you are waving around DU like it means something.
It doesn't.

If YOUR mind can accept this as "proof" or even legitimate support for ANY argument,
I can understand why we are such different people.....thank gawd.


I am curious:
[font size=3]
To Bernie Supporters at DU,
did YOU receive this particular call out from Bernie's campaign office?[/font]

[magical thyme]

95. I get emails from Bernie's campaign office daily...never have seen that thing before

and it is totally unlike anything I've seen come from Bernie's campaign.

[zeemike]

73. Asking for evidence gets in the way of the meme being created.

To wit, Bernie supporters are wild eyed radicals bent on destroying the Democratic party and letting the crazy people win.

Fear and loathing is the go to tool when you have nothing else.

[Armstead]

76. Trashed -- You mean discussions and opinions on social media pages?

You mean horrible comments like this?

"Rep. Lewis, there are few people in public life for whom I have more respect than you. You have been one of my heroes throughout my life. But I couldn't disagree with you more about Clinton. She is not a progressive and would be a terrible president. I ask you to reconsider your position. I support a true progressive and a long time champion of civil rights--Bernie Sanders."

Most I saw were in that vein. Sure a few hotheads, but also Hillary hotheads.

We're a large and diverse country. Not everyone who dislikes Clinton is a "Bernie Supporter(TM)".....And there are hotheads and buttheads in any segment you care to name, as well as wonderful ones. Hell, even right wing Republicans.

But of it makes you feel better to think there is some Crazed Army of Bernie Zombies coming to eat your children, then go ahead and indulge in your fantasy.

[frylock]

89. Shit, quoting Hillary, or even posting video of her is to be considered as trashing.

[George II]

85. We even had someone on Wednesday morning post a link to a "focus group" trying to convince...

.....everyone that Sanders the winner. The focus group inconveniently took place on October 7! But to those who didn't bother going past the headline and hype would believe it, even though it was a week before the debate.

[frylock]

88. FACT: Disagreement isn't trashing.

You guys were challenged to provide examples of Dean, Goodall, and John Lewis being trashed on their pages. All anyone could find was mild disagreement and some disappointment.

[cprise]

84. Finally, there'll be some Limbaugh love for Ellen.

[frylock]

86. And when that doesn't happen, you'll be sure and retract this, right?

[wendylaroux]

3. Wow,she is a very

uninformed person. This or not the nice person I thought she was.

I heard Jack Black say something like that before too.

No,I do not have a link. It was back during the Occupy time.

[HassleCat]

5. It probably is a lor of money

Except she gets to keep the huge majority of what she earns, so me a river, Ellen.

[tularetom]

6. You mean Bernie didn't go on her show just to do the nanu nanu?

Silly Bernie for thinking he could carry on an intelligent discussion with a brain dead moron.

I've never understood the appeal of that silly woman.

[demwing]

7. "that silly woman"

[demwing]

22. becasue you give a shit

don't stop

[tularetom]

24. If it makes you feel any better I will change my comment to "inane human being"

But I don't believe its misogynistic at all to describe a pretentious lightweight as "silly".

Gender has nothing to do with it. Attempting to attach any importance or depth of thought to anything that comes out of Ellen's mouth is futile.

[Juicy_Bellows]

80. Agreed - She is a silly daytime twit or at least plays one on TV.

You said nothing wrong or misogynistic.

[Metric System]

21. Under the bus and backed over for good measure.

[J_J_]

8. The reason the taxes you pay aren't enough to help people, Ellen

is because the American government diverts all of our money to be used for bombing hospitals, drone attacks, sending troops anywhere and everwhere to support the MIC.

Then there is the whole Homeland security BS wasting billions (trillions) to spy on us.

It would be nice if she had a clue.

She is on tv every day, if she bothered to inform herself she would have a chance to really reach people.

[SalviaBlue]

72. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this!

[sabrina 1]

9. I don't she understood that he wasn't talkiig about who ARE paying their fair share. I still like

Ellen but she genuinely didn't seem to know that are people and Corps who PAY NO TAXES at all. THAT is who Bernie was talking about.

She seemed puzzled by that, but she is a smart woman and I think she will do her homework and when she does will be very angry that while SHE and many others who have worked to get what they have, with their talents and skills, they do pay their fair share, there are those who take their money OFFSHORE, who get laws passed to make sure they don't do what she is doing, pay their fair share.

Bernie was great, as always.

[99th_Monkey]

15. I don't often disagree with you sabrina1, but on Ellen, I do.

Ellen was already in the tank for Hillary. Check out Ellen's soft-ball love-in when
she just had Hills on her show a few weeks ago. Ellen even says "of all the candidates,
YOU (Hillary) are the only one qualified" .. So it's no mystery to me that Ellen had
"gotcha" questions for Bernie on taxes.

[sabrina 1]

18. I knew she had Hillary on but I hadn't seen it. I also had heard she was supporting

her. I assumed her knowledge of the issue she raised was limited due to her support of Hillary.

I would be very disappointed in her if she received any help re the questions to ask Bernie from the Hillary campaign.

I think however that Bernie probably scored a lot of points with the audience who seemed to understand what he meant better than Ellen

I am glad he appeared on the show, and I hope she thinks more about who she supports because she is so wrong about Hillary being the 'best qualified'.

[questionseverything]

63. i thought ellen did a pretty good job giving bernie a chance to explain his positions

especially considering she backs hc

he got a lot of exposure to a new audience

[99th_Monkey]

75. yah, true. And Bernie, as usual, never-the-less did quite well, so no harm, no foul? -nt-

[questionseverything]

82. bernie will do well anytime he gets a chance to explain his positions

taxing the billionaires is popular with 99% of us ,so is taxing the billionaires hiding money off shore

honestly considering her support for hc i was very pleased she had him on the show at all

this is going to be a long,tough row to hoe...don't let little speed bumps get you down

[appalachiablue]

10. She said she pays 50% in taxes which lost me. Bernie asked if that's fed, state & local; she nodded.

Actor James Woods is another one who freaks about his $ being taken by soshalists! and rabid Gene ? Kiss rocker man.

[restorefreedom]

55. gene simmons, the capitalist's capitalist

I can't even enjoy kiss songs anymore.

[mhatrw]

60. If she actually pays 50% in taxes, she need to stop doing them herself. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

11. I saw that too. and almost puked .. Ellen is in the tank for Hillary, apparently cuz she KNOWS

Hillary WON'T raise taxes on her precious earnings that "she worked so hard for" .. what
a load of crap. Sure, she worked hard, who doesn't; but she got some breaks too along
the way, and benefited from opportunities that presented themselves. What ever happened
to the "giving back" to the culture and the nation that afforded her those opportunities?

I'm sure Hillary supporters will think this anti-tax line of Libertarian bull-shit is just fine to
spout, since it uses Ellen's popularity to Hill's advantage.

The especially puke-worth moment was when Ellen implied that without keeping all her
hard-earned money, she wouldn't be able to "give away so much" to help us Little People,
in front of her audience salivating for one of Ellen's "give-aways". The audience was not
as gullible as Ellen hoped, as they still gave Bernie a respectable applause even after Ellen's
cheap shots.

Bernie still did great with the weird questions, but I totally lost respect for Ellen in that
moment.

PS- I highly doubt that those "give-aways" that Ellen brandishes about on her program
come out of her personal checking account anyway. Doesn't the network and/or sponsors
pay for all that flashy "generosity"?

[brooklynite]

17. How about the fact that she voted against the Bush tax cuts?

...and then voted to repeal them for upper income taxpayers?

Would the Senate voting records be a credible source?

[99th_Monkey]

25. Check out Ellen's soft-ball love-in with Hillary on her show

just a few weeks ago, where Ellen says "of ALL the other candidates I think YOU (Hillary) are the ONLY
one who is truly qualified to be President" If that's not in the tank, what is? No "awkward questions
for Hillary, only praise and adoration.

[cosmicone]

23. A lot of liberals are also against confiscatory taxes.

Bernie's plan would be more palatable if he were to cut defense spending by 50%. That is now seen as unlikely to happen because of his hawkish answers in the debate.

He still wants all his programs enacted. So the logical conclusion is that he'll have to raise the nominal tax rates above the current 39.6% to 55% which will take the total burden on California residents of 68% in tax rate.

This is precisely why Bernie will lose the GE if nominated. His numbers won't add up and he'll have to admit that taxes will go up.

Taxing billionaires sounds good but as a practical matter it takes away the incentives from the system and Americans who want to be rich some day will have a problem with it.

Bernie is also promoting estate tax increase and transaction taxes on investments. Which means after having a confiscatory tax on income, what is left will be taxed again and again and after working hard, taking a lot of risks, there is nothing left to pass on to one's children.

Bernie wanted a higher profile, he got it from the debate but higher profiles come with tougher treatment by the media. Deal with it.

[bvar22]

36. "confiscatory taxes"???

LOL.

After WW2 , Republican President Eisenhower set the upper bracket at 91% claiming that the Rich and the War Profiteers should pay their fair share in paying down the National Debt.

After the War Debt was paid off, JFK dropped the upper tax rate to 71%.
These economic policies plus the New Deal built the largest, wealthiest, and most upwardly mobile Middle/Working Class the World had ever seen....
AND, the economy thrived, expanded, and people still got rich.

"confiscatory taxes"?... what a conservative pant load.

[cosmicone]

39. Different times

Europe was in shambles, Asia was reeling and there was no competition to the US industry. Thus the economic risk of investments was low. One could start any business and it was guaranteed success.

Now there is global competition which have lowered profit margins and investments have become riskier and riskier.

[thesquanderer]

77. Business is only taxed on profit (not total revenue).

So if businesses today are relatively less profitable than they used to be (due to globalization, as you say), well, they will pay less in taxes, even if the rates were as high as they used to be at their highest (which I don't think anyone is suggesting as the goal).

[cosmicone]

81. Investors (which are mostly mom and pop retirement plans)

need a return on investment. (ROI)

Risk and barriers to entry in today's world are infinitely greater than post WWII.

If you raised taxes, the RIO is too low and unsustainable to attract capital. Also, it would devastate the mutual funds' growth rates and leave many people saving for retirement not able to meet their goals.

The fundamental assumption of Bernie and his supporters is that all investors are billionaires. In reality, most investors are middle class people saving $100 or so a month towards retirement.

[bvar22]

94. You have made too many "assumptions" to list.

You are posting theory.

I have posted history.
I'll stick with proven History over Republican theory.
The RICH were whining under Eisenhower and JFK too.
In fact,
they used the exact same arguments (Republican Theory) you are posting here today in an attempt to stave off the Tax increases under Eisenhower.
"They" also insisted it would ruin the economy.
"They" were exactly WRONG then too.

[AOR]

45. The level of right-wing bullshit flowing freely here is astonishing....

"confiscatory taxes" and defense of billionaires. I thought for a minute it might be satire but apparently this cat is serious.

[AOR]

43. Your "work" in this thread is laughable...

the consistent spew of right-wing Fox News talking points in full glory.

cosmicone says "Taxing billionaires sounds good but as a practical matter it takes away the incentives from the system and Americans who want to be rich some day will have a problem with it." LMFAO

What next ? Will you be whining and mewling about welfare, unemployment benefits, and "entitlements" ?

You and Ellen want capitalism in all it's fucked up glory ? You got it. Now pay the fucking man and stop whining and complaining. That is the price you pay and the cost of doing business to provide you with all this capitalist "freedom" for which you defend as your own.

[cosmicone]

44. LOL!

[AOR]

46. Don't be sad...

there is always Conservative Cave and Free Republic if it doesn't work out for you here. Own those right wing talking points and wear them proudly.

[cosmicone]

47. I laughed because you made humorous assumptions.

Wrong assumption: Just because I am against higher taxes means I am against social programs.
Wrong assumption: I get this from Fox News.
Wrong Assumption: I was whining and complaining.

You doubled down on it to direct me to Free Republic or the Cave.

You forget that Americans are optimistic people and everyone wants to be rich. This is why class warfare has always failed.

Learn from history. Before the civil war, only 3% of southerners had slaves but near 100% of southerners fought for the confederacy. Why? Because the ones who were not rich enough to own slaves wanted to own slaves one day.

The same way, people are against confiscatory taxes, especially in a bad economy because they see their dream of becoming rich melt away.

Secondly, I'd rather see defense spending cut to increase social programs like healthcare than increase taxes.

Lastly, historically, a candidate to say "I'll raise taxes" is poison. Ask Walter Mondale.

[AOR]

49. You've come to wrong pew with your protestations...

your posts in this thread are one of two things. Pure trolling or right-wing horseshit. In either case you fail. This is not hillaryclintonsupporters.com where people will ignore this kind of trolling for political expediency and getting Clinton elected. Clinton supporters should be embarrassed to have such an ally. Then again... most probably stand proudly with this kind of trolling that supposedly represents "the left."

[cosmicone]

50. I am sorry your candidate is not doing well in the news lately

but that is no reason to displace your anger at people who have a different point of view.

If my posts anger you that much, there is an option to ignore me. You'll then never see what I type.

[AOR]

59. Like I said...you've come to the wrong pew...

my "candidate" is the demands of the working class not a personality or a figurine. Ignore you ? Not a chance. You provide fodder to work with... in showing the distinction between lifetime social scabs and capitalist reactionaries and those that stand with the struggling workers and the poor destroyed by capitalist ideals like you just presented. You also confuse anger with amusement.

[cosmicone]

61. Amused people don't use the kind of language you do .. angry people do. n/t

[AOR]

67. The language of the working class is real...

the gentrified phoniness and passive aggressive nonsense of reactionaries with a ruling class agenda is not.

[cosmicone]

74. So working class people show their amusement by angry exclamations?

wow ... just wow

You must be used to bringing joy to every comedy club.

[AOR]

78. Do you have anything in defense of your right-wing statements in this thread ?

Your attempt to derail focus - from the pathetic and self-serving reactionary talking points you've provided in this thread - is duly noted. You just got done claiming that the populace strives to be slaveholders and filthy rich billionaires and you are proclaiming "wow just wow." Very amusing indeed.

[mhatrw]

68. Yes, yes, you are here to tell us that stupid Americans always vote for

the interests of rich people over their own interests.

And thus our idealistic quest to change our government of the 1%, by the 1% and for 1% is doomed to fail!

And however will we use ATMs on the other side of the country if we break up too big to fail banks!

[mhatrw]

62. And however will you use your ATM on the other side of the country without too big to fail banks?

Sanders' programs will SAVE Americans money.

When you and/or your employer don't have to pay for your own insanely expensive healthcare, you will have more money left in your pocket.

What is hard to understand about that?

[arcane1]

28. Do none of these idiots realize that we can spend current money on better things?

Do they ever think: maybe we can stop paying for stupid shit, and use that money for something better?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. Does Ellen work harder than the guy who picks up her and everyone else's garbage?

Does she get paid proportionately to the ratio of how hard he works to how hard she works?

If not, she's not keeping money she 'earned'. She's keeping money she was GIVEN based on the incredibly skewed capitalistic structure in which we live. The one in which millions of people work far harder than she ever will, but get paid FAR less.

[99Forever]

40. Precisely.

[cosmicone]

48. It's not just the current work

How many years did she toil waiting tables and going for auditions until she had a gainful career? What kind of stresses she is under? What is the "value" of her work in generating income?

By your logic, a neurosurgeon should be paid the same as a hospital orderly because they both put in the same number of hours, completely forgetting that a neurosurgeon spends decades in training, earning peanuts and working 6070 hour weeks before he/she can start earning real money.

[liberal_at_heart]

52. damn good point.

[SamKnause]

35. I like Bernie.

I like Ellen.

Bernie did not explain that Ellen's tax dollars are being wasted on

warmongering, corporate subsidies, private contractors, incarcerating 2.3 million

people, government shut downs, fake investigations, etc.

Ellen stated she pays 50% in taxes.

I don't think that is correct.

Bernie did not explain if the corporations paid their taxes, Ellen's

share would go down.

Bernie did not explain that minimum wage workers get food stamps

and medicare, paid for with Ellen's tax dollars

That is my 2 cents.

[JI7]

41. questions are often asked in this way to give people a chance to respond to those arguments

I don't know if that was the case here. But often it's the best way since the arguments are made in a way that people often use and are able to convince others of . It sounds reasonable to many but it's a much more complicated issue .

And this gives people a good chance to respond to it and explain how is not as they think.

[cosmicone]

51. I have a different take.

Bernie was given a golden opportunity to explain his position on taxes and how his tax policy will benefit all. He blew it.

Stop blaming Ellen.

[olddots]

53. a reminder Ellen isn't a presidential cadidate

she is a brilliant comedian whose pay check comes from the 1% not us .
We so much want our entertainers and politiians to be like us so we can be like them .Oy what a head ache .

[Bernblu]

54. Ellen is about Ellen

She always seemed to be about one thing: Ellen. So, I am not surprised nor do I care much.

[restorefreedom]

56. i noticed that too

I decided to take the more optimistic view that she really doesn't understand very well how the tax system works and how the middle class and poor are still being screwed. The other interpretation is that she knows damn well how the tax system works and was trying to trip him up. but that still shows a lack of critical thinking skills, because if she knows anything about him she would've known that such a meager attempt to trip him up wouldn't even slow him down.

I guess neither of my interpretations shows her in a particularly favorable light, at least as far as political intelligence is concerned. But then again, her expertise is elsewhere so I'm not worrying about it. and most importantly, the audience got it.

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. I earned this $35 million dollar mansion because I dance good on the TV

My jokes are worth $100 million/year.

Silly Ellen doesn't realize she isn't the worker. She's the product. She thinks she earned it.

[mhatrw]

58. Yes, Ellen slaved in the fields for all of that money. She deserves every penny!

How dare someone suggest that maybe, just maybe, she is lucky to have the millions she has!

How dare someone suggest that maybe, just maybe, she has benefited more from the free congress of society that s stable government provides than other hard working and talented people. Everyone knows Hollywood is the true meritocracy! In Hollywood, one's earnings are always directly proportional to how hard one works.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. No, she is happy to pay taxes if the money goes towards helping people....

But it doesn't. She asked why it doesn't. She asked if it was because of our priorities and Bernie agreed that was a big part of it.

He also pointed out that the money is going into tax breaks and subsidies for the already wealthy.

He didn't mention the MIC but we all know that is a huge chunk of where the money goes.

I hear people rail about "foreign aid" and I tell them every time you see those two words to substitute the words "arms sales".

[GoneFishin]

87. Fuck it. I'd cut her some slack if she asked why we are bombing hospitals and wedding parties

with her tax money.

But she didn't. So fuck it. I had mistaken her for open minded and progressive.

[closeupready]

90. What'd you expect? She crossed a picket line.

She's funny, no question, and I like her, but I wouldn't trust her for one second.

[olddots]

93. and speaking of comedy here is a profetic old joke .

If you're rich or poor its nice to have money .thank you thank you very much .