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RandySF

(83,216 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:28 PM Oct 2015

Yes, Bernie Won Every Poll on the Internet. Hillary Still Won the Debate.

So, what gives? Were my fellow journalists and I watching a different debate than everyone else?

Let me start with the polls. As I explained after the first GOP debate when there was a similar difference in opinion between the chattering class and online respondents, instant online polls are informal and unscientific. The results rely on a self-selecting group of respondents with no regard to political affiliation, age, country, or even whether the person doing the responding actually watched the debate. Respondents, meanwhile, don’t have even the slightest motivation to be objective; it’s hard to imagine a Hillary supporter casting an online vote for Bernie or vice versa, regardless of what he or she saw onstage. Like tracking new Twitter followers or Google searches, the online surveys provide an interesting snapshot of the mood of a particular slice of the Internet, but they’re mostly for entertainment (for the reader) and traffic (for the outlet). No one should mistake them for the scientific surveys done by professional pollsters.

They also tend to favor those candidates with active and impassioned fans—something that Bernie’s fundraising numbers and campaign crowds suggest he clearly has in spades. When Slate and a number of other established media outlets declared Hillary the winner, we gave that same fan base—which has long felt, not unjustifiably, that their man’s not getting a fair shake in the media—one more reason to reload the page and vote again. In online polls, like elections, it’s all about turnout. In online polls, unlike elections, you can vote as many times as you want.

Which brings us to what I saw on Tuesday: As I wrote then and still believe now, Hillary was confident, poised, and unexpectedly aggressive. That, I concede, is a subjective opinion—as is any that calls a “winner” in a contest where there is no agreed-on metric to actually score the participants. But it’s also an informed one. She entered the night up nearly 20 points on Sanders when pollsters included Joe Biden in the race, and by even more when they didn’t. In other words, she didn’t need to win converts, only to preach to her choir—and from where I was sitting, she did just that. If absolutely nothing else, her email scandal was effectively eliminated as a primary issue thanks to Bernie’s benevolence—a massive pickup given the topic has been by far Clinton’s single biggest vulnerability this year.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/14/bernie_won_polls_not_the_debate_hillary_won_the_debate.html

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Yes, Bernie Won Every Poll on the Internet. Hillary Still Won the Debate. (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2015 OP
Nya, Nya-Nya, Nya Nya! longship Oct 2015 #1
So why did Hillary not win the On-line polls? Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #2
or someone could make bots for them since there were only 10. Progressives like science uponit7771 Oct 2015 #7
This is soooo stupid LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #3
There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #4
"... In other words, she didn’t need to win converts, only to preach to her choir" That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #5
Progressives love facts and science uponit7771 Oct 2015 #6
Bernie won the online polls calguy Oct 2015 #8
Interweb polls are for funz Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #9

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Nya, Nya-Nya, Nya Nya!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015

Pbpbppbt!

Abject silliness.

The winners were the USA!

Anything other is abject rubbish.

 

Jan Bunson

(35 posts)
2. So why did Hillary not win the On-line polls?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:42 PM
Oct 2015

Every factor that makes them unreliable should have made them evenly unreliable for all the candidates.

Are Bernie supporters simply more enthusiastic about their candidate?

LostOne4Ever

(9,747 posts)
3. This is soooo stupid
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The real winner of the debate is the one who walked away with the most converts at the end of the night and that will only become apparent at the polls once the voting begins.

Till then a curse on the house everyone trying to claim victory like doing that will matter one iota...[/font]

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
5. "... In other words, she didn’t need to win converts, only to preach to her choir"
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:28 PM
Oct 2015
Which brings us to what I saw on Tuesday: As I wrote then and still believe now, Hillary was confident, poised, and unexpectedly aggressive. That, I concede, is a subjective opinion—as is any that calls a “winner” in a contest where there is no agreed-on metric to actually score the participants. But it’s also an informed one. She entered the night up nearly 20 points on Sanders when pollsters included Joe Biden in the race, and by even more when they didn’t. In other words, she didn’t need to win converts, only to preach to her choir—and from where I was sitting, she did just that. If absolutely nothing else, her email scandal was effectively eliminated as a primary issue thanks to Bernie’s benevolence—a massive pickup given the topic has been by far Clinton’s single biggest vulnerability this year.


As has been pointed out, winning is subjective. "Preaching to her choir" isn't going to make me vote for her in the primary.

calguy

(6,139 posts)
8. Bernie won the online polls
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

because Bernie's supporters probably voted dozens of times on every polls they could find.
Kinda like the American Idol voting goes.
The actual scientific polls conducted after the debate tells a far different story.

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