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[Half-Century Man]

1. I have no issues with BLM. They are right.

I support Sen. Sanders for POTUS.

[Matariki]

88. +1

Same here. Don't get the OP

[jfern]

2. None

I think the Tamir Rice case should get more attention. It's ridiculous that the prosecutor said his execution was justified.

[virtualobserver]

8. totally incomprehensible

[virtualobserver]

4. Has Black Lives Matter complained about Bernie Sanders?

[Art_from_Ark]

6. There were some disruptors at a Social Security event that Bernie attended

who claimed to be from BLM. They took the mike away from Bernie and demanded that he "apologize" about something, I don't know what, perhaps his 100% rating from the NAACP?

[virtualobserver]

12. It was an event on Social Security with many speakers, not a Bernie Sanders event

We do not know the makeup of the crowd.

[Kentonio]

31. Did you miss the part where the protesters were rude and hostile?

Rude and hostile to a crowd which was likely to have embraced them with open arms given any opportunity to do so. Instead they were insulted and told to shut up.

Perhaps in the long run it has actually resulted in a better outcome than a more polite version would have, but I do get angry when I hear people attacking the extremely progressive Seattle audience for not appreciating being called 'white supremacist liberals'.

[Ken Burch]

44. Most of the crowd was silent.

You can't assume all the boos were from Bernie supporters.

[catnhatnh]

84. I'll say this

Black lives matter has achieved real recognition for a critical problem. I was angered at the time. You need to remember that Sanders was just catching fire and as a supporter the last thing I wanted to see was anything that could derail that. It did seem to me that their target had the best civil rights record and that made the disruption seem unfair to me. In retrospect I can see that they probably thought that particular venue was the place they had the best chance of taking the stage. The fact that some supporters were angry doesn't mean they or I were racist or even against the movement-just we had our eyes on a different prize we wanted for all the people.

[virtualobserver]

10. I'm familiar with that event, but I was not aware of a particular complaint that BLM had,,,,

about Bernie.

[jfern]

11. Hopefully both sides can move on

Bernie did need to adjust his message and platform to fully address racial justice.

[JDPriestly]

13. I like the fact that Black Lives Matter is really bringing the issues of police racial profiling and

police brutality and excessive use of force against African-Americans to the attention of the public.

I am also glad that Bernie is working with them now to do that.

I felt it was poor strategy and bad public relations for some from the Black Lives Matter movement to demonstrate against Bernie at a liberal gathering without first talking to him about their issues and getting his cooperation, maybe even his inviting them to talk about their issues with him.

That was stupid. -- their tactics at that moment.

Bernie is a friend of racial equality, a champion for it even though he comes from a primarily white state.

African-Americans do not like it when people judge them based solely on the color of their skin. While a white person can never know what it is like to be Black, the converse is also true, Black people cannot know what it is like to be white.

So we need to try to accept each other.

The Black Lives Matter people who demonstrated against Bernie seemed to assume that he was racist without engaging him in any discussion about race or their issues. That was in and of itself not a strategy that leads to racial understanding.

Fortunately, Bernie, with his broad, good heart is showing all African-Americans how much he cares about their issues.

I happen to also care about the issues of Black Lives Matter. And I must add because I live in Los Angeles, Hispanic and especially Central American lives matter too because they often meet the same kind of hostility that African-Americans do in many but not as many instances.

Black people sometimes assume that white people are racist. That is very unfair. It was unfair in Bernie's case. I know white people who work in various professions in the law, in healthcare, in businesses, in non-profits, in schools, in many fields in which they become very supportive of African-American issues and understand very well the special issues, especially justice issues that Black people face.

i am white. I drive an old care in Los Angeles. I'm almost never stopped by the pollice. But on the rare occasions when police have stopped me, there is always a look of amazement and a sudden switch to a more respectful tone when they realize that I am a white female senior. They expect a different profile of a driver in my kind of car. That is very interesting to me.

My daughter notes that her friends who are or are mistaken for African-Americans get followed in stores while she doesn't.

White people are more and more conscious of the inequities that African-Americans face, sometimes huge and sometimes very small.

Bernie is on top of this. It was a shame that Black Lives Matter didn't just ask him to support their cause publicly rather than assuming that he was against them. But I think that one aspect of the rampant racism in our country is that African-Americans have become so accustomed to the hostility of white people (although much of the hostility comes from a minority of white people) that they anticipate it.

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry that the racism is so prevalent that has become an expected part of life for African-Americans. It should not be like that but it is very hard for ordinary white people to do much about it. Bernie is not ordinary and he is trying to make it one of the centerpieces of his campaign, and I am very happy about that.

It's about time that a president really keeps the Black Lives Matter theme on the front burner.

On edit, I have to add that a lot of Americans whose ancestors were in the US way back in the early years of our country are going to have big surprises when DNA testing becomes more prevalent. A lot of "white" Americans have Native American and/or African-American genetic material which can only be part of their genetic makeup for one reason: they somewhere have a Native-American or African ancestor. That is going to change a lot of the understanding about race in our country. We are going to discovery, many of us, that we have relatives who identify as a race other than the race we identify with. It's a fascinating fact about America. We really are a melting pot.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

56. When I read it the first time in the original, I felt the last sentence should have been

(after the converse is also true) white people also do not like it when people judge then based solely on the color of their skin.

The two agitators at the event appear to have judged Bernie solely on the color of his skin. That is why they chose to employ the tactics they did. Do you think they would have ambushed him like that if he was black? I don't. I think they would have assumed he was in favour of BLM and tried to arrange for him to get them up on stage in advance.

That is why some Bernie supporters were annoyed at those protesters. Not at the movement. Those protesters, because they assumed Bernie was prejudiced against them and the movement, and because by doing so, they set a narrative in motion in the media that Bernie and his supporters were 'against' BLM. They drove an unnecessary wedge between Bernie and BLM because of their assumptions of bigotry on Bernie's part, because of his white skin.

[Chitown Kev]

25. This is a breathtakingly tone deaf post.

[Todays_Illusion]

14. It is my belief that BLM is a conservarive backed group to create dissent among Democratic voters.

And I would suggest this as a possible source.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/07/1343000/-Midday-open-thread-Allen-West-to-head-Koch-funded-think-tank-Negro-nixed-in-Army-manual#

[jfern]

15. I hope this isn't a serious post

[Starry Messenger]

74. Wow.

[JaneyVee]

79. Whaaaat? Nooooooo!

[Ken Burch]

16. That's one Bernie supporter...he or she doesn't speak for all of us.

And disagreeing with how a handful of BLM activists treated Bernie doesn't equate to disagreeing with BLM's agenda.

Sanders supporters have always supported that agenda and so has Bernie.

Bernie proved that, once and for all, on Tuesday night.

Clearly, Bernie never deserved to be singled out for attack by BLM.

[Ken Burch]

22. In any case, neither Bernie nor his supporters disagree with BLM on its objectives.

All of us are passionately opposed to institutional racism. BLM never had to confront Bernie...they could just have asked to meet with hm at the start of the campaign, told him what they were looking for, and he'd likely not only have addressed it in his speeched, but INVITED
BLM to speak themselves.

He never deserved to be treated as if he didn't care or as if he had to be forced to raise the issue.

It's the assumption BLM made that disrupting Bernie was the ONLY way to get racism dealt with that caused the tension.

Having said that, I don't care who you support, but would you at least agree that Bernie's response to the "Do Black Lives Matter? question on Tuesday night should at least get him off the hot seat, that it proves once and for all that he can be trusted on this?

[Ken Burch]

33. Of course it's bigger than any one candidate.

And Bernie should have been expected to address this from the start(but he does now, so it's time to go after the other Dem candidates, most of whom have given BLM far more reason to distrust them.

And I guess what set me off here is that you still don't believe that Bernie's supporters back BLM. Do we have to stop talking about every issue OTHER than institutional racism before you will finally trust us? It's a huge issue, but it's not the only issue that matters.

Talking about economic justice(which disproportionately affects PoC) never conflicts with fighting institutional racism. People who support the economic status quo don't give a damn about stopping police violence against PoC. Usually, they're glad to see it, because it helps preserve their power and their privilege.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

57. Did they have to confront you?

Did they have to confront Barbara Lee? Or John Lewis?

Or do you simply mean they have to confront everyone who has a white skin?

Do you honestly believe there is no one who is white who can't 'get the message' without confrontation?

I feel your argument is as flawed as the people who say 'Look, Obama pulled us out of the recession!' and ignore the fact that 93% of the 'recovery' went to the rich. BLM achieved a goal, but in your mind, that was the ONLY way they could have achieved that goal. You see a binary, where they either had to do exactly what they did, or they wouldn't achieve the goal, where others of us see that multiple paths could lead to the same goal.

Some people need a blaring alarm to wake them up. Others can wake up by a gentle touch on the shoulder, or a soft melody.

[Chemisse]

64. I agree.

Many of us who have white skin thought we were aware of the degree of racism in this country, but reached a whole new level of awareness over the past couple of years, as news and videos of cops killing unarmed black men came out, one heart-wrenching death after the other.

We don't need to be confronted, and being called racist is hugely insulting for those of us who have always sought to bridge the gaps between us all. We may not fully understand - and in fact we can only imagine what it's like to grow up in this country under the cloud of racism that cloaks every day and every experience, but we care.

A gentle touch is adequate for us.

[whathehell]

87. +100. n/t

[Ken Burch]

17. The thread title is a lie. Bernie Sanders supporters have no disagreement with BLM's goals.

And you know it.

Bernie's supporters and Bernie have always been opposed to institutional racism...unlike YOUR candidate, who pamdered to it by building the DLC and pushing the "tough on crime" agenda, an agenda which was always going to lead to greater police persecution of AA's.

[jfern]

23. I think the point of that was basically that there's an ongoing attack on Bernie supporters

There were mistakes made 3 months ago, but Bernie said recently he pleads guilty to mishandling the situation at first. So hopefully people on both sides can move on.

[Ken Burch]

26. Disagreeing with the early BLM complaints about Bernie

is not the same thing as disagreeing with BLM as a movement. There's a huge difference between rejecting some tactics and rejecting the goals.

From the outset, Bernie's supporters stood with BLM. We never said institutional racism didn't matter. We never said (or felt) that stopping police violence against AA people wasn't an urgent objective. Our only objection was that the tactics focused on disrupting our candidate, when our candidate was always with BLM.

Some responses by Bernie supporters were intemperate, and I wish they hadn't been.

All I can say is, it's frustrating to see a good man treated like Bernie was treated. I can compare it to the unfair way a lot of white liberals treated Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, years when, like Bernie now, Jesse was the only candidate in the race who fought for the people.

[Ken Burch]

32. That isn't how I feel.

What happens to the victims of police racism is unspeakable.

Absolutely unspeakable.

But the response should have been to confront all candidates equally.

HRC has still, to this day, not been treated as Bernie was, and unlike Bernie, she actually has black blood on her hands as a result of her decades of support for "law and order" policies. And O'Malley looked the other way at lethal police racism in Baltimore. BLM has treated him with kid gloves.

Bernie gets it. He's no saint, but he always did get it.

And again, it's unfair to take one Bernie supporters comments about BLM tactics as proof that Bernie supporters as a group disagree with BLM's goals. OK?

One poster isn't all of us.

It's time to go after all the other candidates now. You already know Bernie is on your side.

[Ken Burch]

36. I do prioritize BLM as a movement.

And as a grandfather of five(one of whom is a PoC-Alaska Native, which up here is just as likely to get you killed by the cops as being AA is) I want police violence to stop YESTERDAY. In my window, I have a BLM sign ABOVE my Bernie sign.

But how does accusing Bernie's supporters, as a group, of disagreeing with BLM because of what one guy wrote on another website help achieve that objective?

We aren't all responsible for what that one person posted.

And what that person posted wasn't what you said it was...it was simply a disagreement over tactics, not opposition to BLM as a movement.

And you don't have any reason to think we, as a group do disagree with BLM's goals.

If you don't want a defensive response, don't accuse people of thinking things they don't think.

[Ken Burch]

45. We all agree that Black Lives Matter.

We all do.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

58. You actually aren't inside our heads.

You don't know what we're more concerned about.

Electing Bernie is not the be all and end all of what people on this site.

He's a tool. A means to achieve various goals.

And one of those goals is stopping the police murders of black men.

A lot of us think he'd be a far better tool to achieve that goal than Hillary would be.

That still doesn't mean 'we are more concerned about Bernie's treatment' than that of the real victims.'

It means we see unnecessarily tarnishing his reputation with black voters as decreasing the chances we have to actually achieve those goals, to stop the murder of black men by police.

[brewens]

61. Looks like a case of BLM refusing to take yes for an answer. I reminds me of a couple of years

ago running a blood drive at a major university. The campus Gay-Straight Alliance student group sponsored it. They were allowed to set up at the same long table I was registering donors at to push their petition to the FDA to relax the lifetime ban on gay males donating blood.

I along with the entire blood center crew signed their petition. None of us objected to their getting that ban overturned, and it's not us or our management that is responsible in any way for gay men not being allowed to donate at our drives. That's a CDC and FDA thing. We have to follow the regulations they lay down.

The militant attitude of some of the GSA kids in effect turned it into a protest of the blood drive. They were supposed to be working with us and should have been encouraging anyone that was elligible to donate. Maybe our event planners should have made that a little more clear when they met with them. All they did was point out that it was discrimination that they couldn't donate blood that day. They managed to get quite a few prospective donors pissed off at us.

We've had a couple of new recruiters in my area working the universities and I've made sure to tell each of them that we probably don't want to work with that group again.

[Cha]

29. The Jury agrees with you, K. And, disagrees with the alerter..

Bernie Sanders supporters, what is your disagreement with the Black Lives Matter Movement?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251693051

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

As I said in the thread, the thread title is a lie. Believing that BLM was unfair to single Bernie out for attack does not equate to "disagreement with the Black Lives Matter Movement". Bernie and his supporters have always stood with BLM in opposing institutional racism.

Thread titles must be honest.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:05 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: enough, with the "sanders is a racist" slander
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Another alert. Another leave.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post is okay. Title is misleading, though. Can moderator change title to accurately reflect post? Also, I!m cool with Bernie, not so much with some of his supporters.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter claiming that Bernie and his supporters have always stood with BLM is what is hide-worthy, because it is a direct lie. His supporters don't care about institutional racism - we only need to see what they write on DU to see that. They only care about the economy, not about racism, sexism, or homophobia. (And don't come dragging with Clinton and her late support of gay marriage - two wrongs doesn't make a right.)
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "I will not be cowed by accusations that disagreeing with Black Lives Matter complaints about Bernie Sanders constitutes racism."

It's not a "lie" ken burch. Your accusation is a "lie". And, btw.. nobody is calling anyone a "racist" if they disagree with #BLM. Only when they act like "racists".

[Ken Burch]

35. The discussion was alerted on

because it was fundamentally unfair to imply that one line from one person on another website equates to Bernie supporters, as a group, "disagreeing with BLM". We don't disagree with BLM.

We just felt that our candidate got treatment he didn't deserve.

I actually agree with you that Bernie should have been discussing institutional racism from the start. But he is addressing it now, so should this still be a specific issue with him individually? Has he still not proved to you that he's on side with this?

[Ken Burch]

41. Is that the "Stockholm Syndrome" thing?

OK...I just heard about it an hour ago. The poster who wrote it was an idiot and damn well doesn't speak for me.

[Ken Burch]

47. You're welcome. n/t.

[Oilwellian]

75. You cleverly switched words

The writer said "Black Lives Matter complaints about Bernie" and you changed it to "Black Lives Matter movement."

It is a blatant manipulation of the article's intent.

[Chitown Kev]

21. An agenda which Sanders ultimately

voted for.

[Cha]

59. I didn't think it was acceptable behavior and the jury agreed.

And, I especially like # 7's explanation..

Juror #7 vote to HIDE IT Explanation: Behavior like this makes DU suck. It also doesn't speak well for your position when profanity and condescension are the best answers you can give to a simple, polite question.

I would say: oh fuck off.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=693166

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

This poster told the OP to "Oh fuck off, Just fuck off".
I don't usually alert on anyone but I think this deserves a hide. Thank you.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:59 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unacceptable.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: it was a generality. Not aimed at the poster. Learn to read and not jump at the alert button.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This Bernie supporter thinks that any post like this should be hidden.
Juror #7 vote to HIDE IT Explanation: Behavior like this makes DU suck. It also doesn't speak well for your position when profanity and condescension are the best answers you can give to a simple, polite question.

[Ken Burch]

42. Not helpful.

I'd strongly advise you to self-delete.

[delrem]

48. I got to the end of the rope with the accusations of racism.

I won't stand for them anymore.

[Ken Burch]

49. It's not as simple as that.

It's a trust issue that's in play here.

The stupid "Stockholm Syndrome" post made by someone claiming to back Bernie has caused a lot of anger tonight.

[delrem]

50. So I'm supposed to bear that burden. To be guilty?

So guys like this OP can play this game at me?
Like I'm to blame for something? That the OP isn't?

It's just noise. It's $billion$ noise.

[Ken Burch]

53. Not guilty...responsible to help be part of the change. n/t.

[senz]

91. I understood your sentiments completely, delrem.

The OP intends to provoke good people into alertable reaction.

That's its entire purpose.

[TheFarS1de]

55. That is more honest than the post...

This mentality that one statement is indicative of everyone else's view is beyond contempt . It doesn't even warrant an answer in all honesty . Mountain out of the proverbial mole hill

[reddread]

71. for certain

cowardly stink bugs hiding behind their fake concern.
slinging imaginary mud while serving the interests of the queen and king of race baiters.
I can only hope their ultimate disappointment is reward enough.
this, of course, presumes they sincerely care who wins while they pocket theirs.

[Vinca]

38. I don't think anyone disagrees with the mission of BLM.

Some - and I'm one of them - are not a fan of the tactics they use. I don't think that is unique to Bernie supporters.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

51. What exactly are you asking?

It appears to me you have a question to ask and are using someone else's tangential comment to ask it for you.

Try asking in your own words.

[Boomer]

52. "Sanders supporters" are not a monolithic block

The OP feels like you're asking all of us "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" It's an assumption for which there is no possible good answer.

I'm a staunch supporter of BLM, I'm also a staunch supporter of Bernie Sanders. I don't speak for all Americans or all people who want Sanders for president.

In that same vein, I may be less than enthusiastic about the way specific BLM members have conducted their activism on specific occasions, but I'm aware (from my own activism in gay rights) that disruption gets attention in ways that are useful in the long run, even if in the short-term they antagonize people. It's a lose-win scenario and not for the faint of heart. I see this as a disagreement over strategy and tactics rather than with the Movement itself, and since I'm not out there on the front line, I'm not going to pass judgment on other people's choices.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

54. I don't have one with the movement.

I had a disagreement with the chosen tactics of a couple of people who claimed to represent the movement a few months back. I think they could simply have asked for what they wanted first, since Sanders is a reasonable enough person, and he may very well have simply given it to them. If he did not, THEN they could have escalated to the tactics they chose to employ from the start. But the fact that they automatically assumed he wouldn't accommodate them or work with them was annoying because it threw a wrench in the wheels of his campaign right as it was starting to get off the ground.

Really, it's no different than the irritation felt by commuters when a protest makes them late for work on a day when they have a big presentation that will affect their career advancement. The commuters don't automatically disagree with whatever it is the protesters are protesting, they're just annoyed that the chosen protest interfered with something important to them. On the flip side, the protesters are not doing what they do because they don't want that person to get a promotion at work, they're just doing what they feel they need to do to advance a cause important to them. The commuters might be in 100% agreement with the protesters, but still wish to heck that they'd chosen some other way to protest.

[GoneFishin]

85. Well said.

[orpupilofnature57]

60. The perception that there is something to disagree about, look at Bernie, and look at Hillary,

our only disagreement is Bernie is more of a Friend to Black lives , Female lives, and children but has to defend him-self, where for some reason Hillary is an ordained champion, Why ?.

[RiverLover]

63. I totally agree. Thank you.

This is a manipulative, malicious OP. Why? To try to help get Hill into the oval office, a person we all know won't do a darn thing for institutionalized racism & police brutality. She will definitely help Wall Street, BigOil, & BigAg though.

Life is too short to have to read the BS like this OP. It isn't worth the bad energy it generates any more....

[merrily]

92. +1 RiverLover, I am sorry that I do not "see" you often enough!

I just searched to see when you last posted and found you here, nailing it bravely, as always.

[bowens43]

62. Hillary Clinton supporters have you stopped abusing your spouses yet? What a stupid straw man questi

[Vattel]

65. I can only speak for myself, but I think BLM should focus more on clear injustices

like the Sandra Bland case, and less on cases where it isn't clear that there was any illegality, especially the Michael Brown case. The DOJ report lays out a strong case that, legally speaking, the shooting in the Brown case was not objectively unreasonable. So it isn't clear to me why BLM should still be promoting the idea that he was murdered.

That being said, I think BLM has done a great job getting their concerns into the public discourse and influencing Democratic politicians to get on board.

[bigwillq]

66. None. I support BLM (nt)

[Bluenorthwest]

67. I have none and it is offensive that you demand that I do. Many posters on DU have shit all over

other disruptive activists for years and years and you do not call them out. Why is that? Affecting this moral judge of others status is bullshit out of a cohort that has over the years leveled massive criticism at disruptive activists.
Myself, I have BEEN a disruptive activist so I always defend them. The courage it takes to do that is worthy of respect.
Disruptive activism was a valuable tool during the early days of the AIDS crisis, and those of us who know our history also know how it works much more than you do sitting on the sidelines talking about partisan politics.
Other groups doing similar things have been shat on, attacked and demeaned all over DU. LGBT groups in particular. Black Lives Matter has gotten a better reception here than any other group of disruptive activists.

[99Forever]

68. Why would you presume to know what I think?

That's just plain fucking creepy.

[GoneFishin]

69. I have no disagreement with BLM. If a Bernie Sanders fund raiser called me 10 times each and

every day at dinner time soliciting contributions it would piss me off and I would feel compelled to suggest to Bernie's campaign a more constructive approach. If, upon contacting Bernie's campaign office, I was called names and accused of having evil motives I would be saddened to have been misjudged. But I would still give to Bernie's campaign until it hurts.

If Chris Christie's campaign did the same I would just be pissed off and bitch to my friend's about what assholes they are for calling so much.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. Those who agree with disruptive activists JOIN them and disrupt as well, those who talk about

the activists in order to serve goals which are not the goals of the activists are not agreeing with them but exploiting their actions for their own agenda.

The only actual way to support activist protesters is with your body, it is a physical act. Theoretical support is just theoretical, rhetorical.

So make an OP from the front lines of an action, then we can talk as activist peers.

[Starry Messenger]

72. The guy who wrote that says he teaches social studies too.

Ick.

[uhnope]

73. OP title is either dishonest or horribly mistaken

The text you refer to doesn't say Sanders supporters disagree with the BLM movement, as in the basis for the movement.

It says that Sanders supporters disagree with BLM complaining about Sanders.

Big difference.

[ibegurpard]

76. Bernie said "Black lives matter."

Without reservation. I agree with that wholeheartedly.

[catrose]

77. None at all

[spyker29]

78. I don't understand how one can support BLM goals without supporting their tactics.

I can understand thinking originally that they used bad tactics, but the fact that a BLM question was asked during the debate proves their tactics worked.

[Lizzie Poppet]

83. Because I'm uncomfortable with "the end justifies the means."

Moreover, I don't think aggressive disruption will actually fulfill their greater objectives in the longer term. I'd argue that while such tactics garner approval in many circles, those are circles in which black lives already matter. It's preaching to the choir. Among those for whom they don't matter, these tactics have the exact opposite effect. Unless you think everyone in the latter group is incapable of change and growth, aggressively confrontational tactics are counterproductive.

[Rebkeh]

80. Mutual exclusion?

I stand both with Bernie and BLM - full disclosure, I am black myself.

The idea that we can't support both is absurd. Attempts to create a divide there is self defeating on both sides. Are there people that say otherwise?

[longship]

81. Do you mean other than special pleading? nt

[whathehell]

82. I have no issues with the BLM Movement. I understand their position & agree with it.

[Comrade Grumpy]

86. Take dead horse. Beat. Repeat. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

89. When did you stop beating your wife?

So many wrong assumptions in the OP and subsequent posts, so little time.

[senz]

90. Here's your answer, KMOD

“Hello, I’m sorry, are you Mr. Sanders?” I asked.

“I am,” he replied.

“Well, I’m just over there having dinner with the mother of Sandra Bland and I thought maybe you’d like to meet her.”

“Yes, please,” he replied.

I got up to walk back towards our table only to see that Shante, Sandra’s oldest sister, was already headed towards me. She is a woman who knows how to get things accomplished, so I was not surprised to see her coming after me to see if I needed support.
......................

“What happened to your daughter is inexcusable,” he said. “We are broken, and this has exposed us.” He then continued by promising that he would continue to #SayHerName #SandraBland and would not give up in the pursuit of justice.

The spontaneity of the moment lent sincerity to words unrehearsed, phrases unplanned, in an interaction that was never supposed to take place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857

Now stop playing the race card against Bernie and his supporters. It's cynical and does justice to no one.

[Bluenorthwest]

93. OP, you are apparently too craven to stand up and discuss or defend your bait.

It is your lack of engagement that in the end defines you.