Today's BernieBash™ meme: "Denmark sux!"

[MannyGoldstein]

Started yesterday, actually. All over the Internets.

Apparently, a strong middle class, worker protections, human happiness and shared prosperity aren't all they're cracked up to be, or some such thing.

You don't want those things, really, so please stop your flirtation with The Socialist, 'kay?

[uponit7771]

1. So did the meme that Bern Victims(tm) are in the habit constantly making crap up, for reals...

... it was all over the internets too

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. I really hope

Someone has been keeping and updating a meme list. It has to be very long by now! There's a new meme almost daily and many of those get recycled weekly.

I'm embarrassed for them. Their desperation is showing!

Socialist!!!!1!!1
Messy hair!!!1!!1!
Racist!!!1!!11!
He's Old!!!1!!1!
Socialist!!!1!!1!
He has no money!!!1!!!1!
BernieBro!!!1!!1!
No black people at his rallies!!!1!!1
He lives in White Vermont!!!1!!1!
Socialist!!!1!!1!
He talks funny!!!1!!1!
He's giving away FREE STUFF!!!1!!1!
SINGLE PAYER is too expensive!!!1!!1!
Banks won't survive if broken up (like they use to be)!!!1!!1!
Useless White Supremacist liberal!!!1!!1!
Socialist!!!1!!1!
He can't win!!!1!!1!!1!
People won't vote for a SOCIALIST!!!1!!1!
DENMARK SUCK!!!1!1!!1!
He loves guns!!!1!1!!1!
Brady Bill!!!!1!1!1!
Racist!!!1!!1!1!
He lives in White Vermont!!!1!!1!
Socialist!!!!1!11!1!
His huge rallies mean NOTHING!!!1!!!1! Because those people aren't voters!!!!1!!1!
Poll numbers aren't SCIENTIFIC!!!!!11!!!!!!1! ONLY Hillary's are!!!!1!!!11!
Focus groups are meaningless!!!!1!!!1
Corporate Owned talking heads are GODS and their punditry is SACRED!!!!1!!1!!!!!
Socialist!!!!1!!!1!1!

[marym625]

9. What's really fun,

Or was until certain people started going through their old posts and deleting them, is doing searches on what was said back in the 2007 primary. But, I guess they're just evolving with new information.

[delrem]

60. Why not delete the past?

According to a certain candidate, the past didn't happen anyway.

[marym625]

62. Nope, the past didn't happen.

Because...

[delrem]

63. ah, Janis. She's immortal.

[marym625]

66. Just love her!

And this works for so much!

[delrem]

67. Hey I'm a Canadian and we just booted Harper!

So there's this short instant of hope!

[BeanMusical]

69. Awesome!

[marym625]

73. I saw! Congratulations!

That's awesome!

[delrem]

74. just TOTALLY!

I'm listening to Justin Trudeau now, and he's making a very good layout of what he thinks Canada is, totally refuting Harper and the neocons in his vision. It's good that he's laying it out so clearly from the start, now that he's in power.

[marym625]

76. very cool!

Things move much faster there it seems. That's a good thing!

[delrem]

81. Sigh. I don't know what to think about the USA.

It seems to be more the kind of closed two-party cabal that's explicitly seen in quasi-dictatorships like Columbia, than an actual example of a democracy.

There seems to be something built into the very system, the overall organization, that allows for a cabal of oligarchs to play a game of musical chairs with the leadership, where only the cabal gets to play.
So you have this absurd thing on the Republican side where Donald Trump is the leading voice and on the Democratic side we have an anointed Hillary Clinton, with talk of making it a Hillary/Biden race - any other candidates be damned. Leading immediately, with no further thought or getting acquainted, into a GE pitting these two figureheads of the oligarchy against each other. There's no way to influence that kind of rigged system "from the left", as there is in a parliamentary system such as in Canada.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's pretty damn painful to watch US politics.

[marym625]

85. yeah, it is.

Good analysis. Sad, but it's the reality. As you said, sigh.

[merrily]

88. Please don't tell sid.

KIDDING!

[BeanMusical]

91. Roflmao!!!

[delrem]

98. poor sid.

poor ted cruz.

let them all go down the same drain harper went.

[BeanMusical]

105. Poor King George...

[delrem]

107. Well. They lost. Let's be gracious.

Not so gracious as not to be ecstatic, of course.

Interesting how they are identical across the borders, eh?
(that was a bit of Canadian humor, as the night goes on)

[BeanMusical]

110. Of course.

<--- being ecstatic!

[beam me up scottie]

112. LOL!

[delrem]

113. I get a laugh about those guys too.

Quite the wits end, as it were .....

But no, no, there's no end to it ... we also exported Justin Beiber and Ted Cruz. Just by a stroke of luck we evaded being host to Sarah Palin. It can get wicked up here.

[beam me up scottie]

114. Well congratulations anyway!

[merrily]

90. Marily Joplin!

[marym625]

99. LOL!

Love it!

[jwirr]

20. I saw a new one today. There is a newspaper called the Iowa

Democrat and their front page has a picture of George McGovern on it with a logo underneath "We will not compromise".

So because we do not want to triangulate we will not compromise?

Remember one of the biggest reasons McGovern got beat was because the prick establishment back then did nothing to help him win.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Good grief.

I wonder what DWS is going to do when Bernie wins? McGovern him?

I'm hoping she's gone by then!

[sabrina 1]

27. George McGovern, a REAL War Hero. They are right. Not electing McGovern, compromising

out of fear of losing, was an historical mistake.

Imagine what a different country this would be today, had the people NOT COMPROMISED!

They are correct, we will do that again.

[merrily]

28. demwing started a great thread about McGovern in the Populist Group.

[hifiguy]

43. I am so sick to death of dealing with that

astroturfed Turd Way horseshit. It's paid for and it's pathetic.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. I am too

and it's not going to stop until Hillary loses. Even then, sour grapes will thrown.

[appalachiablue]

53. Well done! 'Uncle Unelectable' is a new one I just saw.

[redstateblues]

54. nice work with all the exclamation points!!

The problem is that about half of those "worn out memes" are actually big problems for Bernie. The other half are ridiculous inventions. How is voting against the Brady Bill something to be proud of and not a liability?

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Thank you!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!1!!

Sanders voted against the pro-gun-control Brady Bill, writing that he believes states, not the federal government, can handle waiting periods for handguns. In 1994, he voted yes on an assault weapons ban. He has voted to ban some lawsuits against gun manufacturers and for the Manchin-Toomey legislation expanding federal background checks.

Source: PBS News Hour "2016 Candidate Stands" series , Apr 30, 2015

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

Those worn out memes are recycled weekly on DU and not by Bernie supporters.

Have a lovely evening -

[merrily]

118. He voted for an assault weapons ban plus more--IIRC--background checks?--within the last few years,

too. Fifteen Democrats joined Republicans to voted against it and were enough to make the difference. Do we hear about them here?

[eridani]

115. Not nearly as bad a liability as voting for the Iraq war and declaring Iranians an enemy n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

121. They always ignore the IWR vote and Hillary's warmongering.

The Iraq War had been an unmitigated Disaster we will be dealing with for generations to come, but it's THE BRADY BILL!!!!!!!!!!!! they try to use as a counter argument? If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

[merrily]

3. Someone better inform the Danes about their suffering STAT. They're making fools of themselves.

A statement about and a list of the 10 happiest countries in the world, per The World Happiness Report, via a CNN travel article. I assume the list is ordered happiest nations first.

People who live in the happiest countries have longer life expectancies and more social support, experience more generosity, have more freedom to make life choices, have lower perceptions of corruption and have a higher gross domestic product per capita, the report shows.


Switzerland

Iceland

Denmark

Norway

Canada

Finland

Netherlands

Sweden

New Zealand

Australia

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/23/travel/feat-world-happiest-countries-2015/


Although absence of sunlight causes SAD (seasonal affective disorder--basically, depression) and some of these nations have sunlight "outtages," people in these Scandinavian countries insist upon being happy.

[restorefreedom]

5. oh, the humanity

why would anybody want to be happy, fed, and sheltered?

[kenfrequed]

37. That is a remarkable quote

Too true.

[restorefreedom]

38. yeah. pretty amazing that people from way back when

have said this, and we still collectively don't get it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

13. Have visited Denmark and Finland many times...

For work. The first time I went to Finland in the late '90s, I noticed that there were travel agencies EVERYWHERE. They were as omnipresent as Starbucks in the States, literally every street corner.

I asked one of my working companions "why all the travel agencies?" He told me that people don't have to pay for health care, don't have to save for college, don't have to worry about saving for retirement due to a generous pension and have a lot more benefits that are publically funded, so people normally choose to use there disposable income on travel.

I immediately wanted to be Finnish

[merrily]

14. I truly apologize, but I can't help myself.

Is this sufficiently finnish for you?

[tex-wyo-dem]

16. Very Finnish indeed...:D

[merrily]

17. I'm so very ashamed.

[tex-wyo-dem]

21. Don't be!

Can always use a good chuckle in the morning

[merrily]

22. Thank you. That's very kind.

[redstateblues]

52. I've got a friend who is a finish carpenter

He finishes all the trim. He does great work

[MannyGoldstein]

30. I love you.

That is all.

[merrily]

31. Let me guess: fish fetish?

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Gefilte fish fetish

Hasn't anyone told you?

[merrily]

36. Not that I recall. Care to fill me in?

[MannyGoldstein]

42. Sounds tawdry

No thanks, I'm a little too vanilla for that sort of thing.

[merrily]

55. That went downhill fast. Now you're just incoherent.

[MannyGoldstein]

58. (adjusts collar)

[merrily]

72. I can't even.

The head of the Management Training Department will no doubt want a word with both of us, though.

Meanwhile, I have a link to delete.

[sheshe2]

64. You are a hoot~

[MannyGoldstein]

65. Don't do that

How will you sit without it?

[beam me up scottie]

75. They just can't quit you, Manny!

Isn't it nice to have a fan club?

[sheshe2]

78. have fun on your fb page.

can i join? oh wait,k i heard it was private.

[beam me up scottie]

83. Yep, only the cool atheists can participate.

And no anti-Semitism or other bigotry allowed!

[BeanMusical]

102. Lol! Good reply.

[beam me up scottie]

104. I've been stalked in real life, these guys don't bother me at all.

Once it finally dawns on them that I'm not intimidated they'll move on to someone else.

[BeanMusical]

108. I think that she put me on ignore. Now we can't play togheter anymore. :D

Sorry that you've been stalked IRL, must have been awful.

[beam me up scottie]

109. Thank you.

He was a bully and a coward, and like all cowards, once you stand up to them and they realize you're willing to fight they back down.

[BeanMusical]

111. Well said.

[merrily]

79. Because you deserve it. Enjoy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=696915

[beam me up scottie]

84. Why thank you, merrily!

Obsession is ugly but those tunes made me feel better!

[MannyGoldstein]

122. It's flattering!

A little creepy too, to be sure.

[Scootaloo]

106. I keep getting invited to come to Finland

I have to tell my Finnish friends - of whom I have a surprisingly large number - that I'm broke!

And every word of their crazy moon-speak that I know was learned through it being growled at me by large bearded men with black facepaint and the ability to make accordions and hurdy-gurdys work on a metal album.

[jwirr]

24. And all of those countries fit into the scale Democratic

Socialism. I suspect another word for happy might very well be secure.

[senz]

77. It makes sense. When you've got secure taken care of

you can pretty much do the rest yourself.

But to want people to have basic security, you have to like people.

Bernie likes people.

Hillary, not so much.

Republicans, not at all.

If the American people could choose to allow themselves and others basic security . . .

[jwirr]

123. And you are correct. It is the American people who do not

see why they should help others. After all we might just win the lottery tomorrow and then we would have to pay taxes.

[merrily]

116. "I suspect another word for happy might very well be secure." It's probably not homeless or hungry,

I would bet.

[Zorra]

4. "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the mind."

~ Alan Ginsberg

There will always be "Good Citizens" who can be brainwashed and controlled by propaganda spread by malicious wealthy private interests (whether they be priests, feudal lords, kings, fascist dictators, or wealthy capitalist oligarchs) and who will believe their memes of control, and do what they are told, like "good little boys and girls".

It's how malicious entities have controlled populations since the dawn of human history. Lie to the ignorant gullible, fill their minds with fear, and you can get them to believe and do anything you want.

Anything.



War is peace. Slavery is Freedom.

[libodem]

23. Excellent graphic Zorra

Thanks for sharing it. So true it's scary.

[hifiguy]

44. And Capitalism Benefits All.

[BeanMusical]

86. +1

[AzDar]

6. K & R

[Hissyspit]

7. Yeah, I saw that.

So silly.

[m-lekktor]

8. yeah I have seen white Hillary supporters complain that it is too white! ("like Vermont!!11")

[Armstead]

10. What about the People's Republic of Norway?

[JackInGreen]

11. I get to call

Jenny n Hans n nikki and danny n mal and the rest of my pals over yonder amd tell em the bad news. They'll be SHOCKED I'm sure. Make no mistake, they complain about their gov, always with the caveat "better than over there at least...."

[sarge43]

12. Certainly explains that massive influx of Danes to the US

All desperate to get our free stuff.

just in case

[bullwinkle428]

15. Honestly, Tweety Matthews got the ball rolling just minutes after the debate

had ended. How's that "RAND PAUL WILL BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE" pick working out for you so far, Tweety?

The always excellent Charlie Pierce had quite the commentary on Hillary's "U-S-A!! U-S-A!!" response to Bernie's remarks...

If she'd just said, look, Denmark does health care very well but I don't think the Danish system would translate well over here, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. But it was the way she leaned into "This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" that got on my second-to-last nerve. The way she said it was alive with the implication that Sanders was peddling solutions that were—How you say? Maybe—un-American. There was a rancid aftertaste there that lingered.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38939/hillary-clinton-snowden-whistleblower/

[tex-wyo-dem]

18. Yeah, "rancid aftertaste" is the way I felt...

After that comment. Why couldn't Hil admit that we can learn important lessons from other countries?

Because she was blatantly playing the "American Exceptionalism" card. Pretty disgusting.

[Fumesucker]

32. She's been pushing the Australia model for gun control lately

I guess we just can't learn anything from non English speaking countries, assuming for the sake of argument that Strine is "English".

[Dustlawyer]

19. I made the comment that the "American Exceptionalism" arguement is usually used by a

Republican against a Democrat. The problem with the American Exceptionalism arguement is that it is used to stop any introspection as to how we are really doing. That sounds tailor made for a candidate whose backers want things to stay just how they are, with all new income going to them!

[arcane1]

51. She also said something about losing the entrepreneurial spirit under Sanders.

Which is usually something rightwingers say about a communist economy.

[senz]

80. She's not above red-baiting

or anything else.

[merrily]

89. Good for him! I love when he wanders off the DNC campus.

Sometimes, he is too establishment for me. Sometimes he isn't. But the writing is always good.

[Stardust]

100. Dame Clinton hath spoken ~ "This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!" condescendlingly prefaced by "I

love Denmark." Mmmmhmmm, sure you do.

[WillyT]

26. K & R !!!

[merrily]

29. I'm not always OK with Krugman, but he likes Denmark.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128064296

[McCamy Taylor]

33. One of Sanders political weaknesses is his tendency to praise other countries at the expense

of the country for which he is running to be president. He needs to suppress this if he is serious about his candidacy. If he is running just to highlight all the problems and injustices in the US, that is a different story. However, it seems to me that his supporters are serious about making him president, so you really ought to be encouraging him to do the things that people need to do in order to get elected POTUS. Like smile during debates. And not just smile at his opponent (as he smiled at Clinton----he gave the impression that the only thing he likes in this world is Clinton).

[MannyGoldstein]

34. People need to see that what he's calling for is possible

First question I ask when someone wants to do something new: who else has tried it, and has it worked?

[kenfrequed]

39. One of the problems with not doing so...

Is that praising one's own country excessively without pointing to examples of improvement working is that it ultimately only struts up the status quo in a haze of nationalism and foolish pride.


Howsabout this:

If Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, and Canada can do it then why can't we?

[Major Hogwash]

40. Hillary used to praise the Japanese for having better education standards.

So, pointing out that another country has some good aspect is not a political weakness.

Frankly, that sounds like something a Republican would say!

[Fumesucker]

46. Hillary is praising Australia for their gun control program...

What, is it only English speaking countries that can be praised by American politicians?

[senz]

68. One of HRC's political weaknesses is her tendency to praise big corporations at the expense

of the American people for whom she pretends to be running to be president. She needs to suppress this if she is serious about her candidacy. If she is running just to highlight all the glories and comforts of great wealth, that is a different story. However, it seems to me that her supporters are serious about making her president, so you really ought to be encouraging her to do the things that people need to do in order to deserve to get elected POTUS. Like be real during debates. And not just smile in a phony way at the entire proceedings (she gave the impression that the only thing she likes in this world is Hillary Clinton).

[Buns_of_Fire]

41. I drew the line at the mandatory lutefisk in all school lunches.

Although "A Volvo in Every Garage" makes more sense than "A Pony in Every Pot".

[hifiguy]

45. Pony?

People won't be able to afford rats to put in their pots after another Turd Way president. Bankers and oligarchs don't have nearly the money they deserve to have.

[merrily]

87. Brilliant!

[Babel_17]

48. Damnit, what will it take for government to just please cut my Social Security?

Our reputation for fiscal prudence demands it!

[merrily]

120. My niece: "Auntie, be careful what you wish for because the wish fairy doesn't take returns."

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[Babel_17]

124. The wish fairy must answer to the invisible hand of the marketplace

Otherwise it's just more creeping socialism. And she might consider throwing a decent level of clothing on. The children!

[merrily]

125. Or...

[beam me up scottie]

49. Stop harshing the memes, Manny!

[MannyGoldstein]

59. Sorry.

Was the Bernie is a Flat-Tax Nutter! meme around long enough to count?

[beam me up scottie]

61. How long is less than one day in DU years?

I lost my conversion chart.

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Did you see "Bernie supports a flat tax"?

Talk about underestimating the cognitive powers of your readership to an insulting degree.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Right?

The Poutrage du jour:


ZOMGWTFBBQ!!! Bernie's bill calls for a flat tax!

CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!



DU: "It wasn't his bill."


Wait, wut?

WHO FUCKING CARES???

I'M STILL PISSED AT HIM!

ARGLE BARGLE!

[Warren DeMontague]

101. I saw him give a speech, where he used WORDS. Know who else used WORDS in his speeches?

That's right, Hitler. Hitler used WORDS in his speeches.

[beam me up scottie]

103. LMAO!

If Bernie's fer it, then I'm agin it!

[rhett o rick]

50. k&R

[moondust]

57. First time in Denmark was 1975.

Been telling people ever since that I should have been born there.

[senz]

70. World Happiness Report 2015 -- Social democracies looking good

Happiness seems to be most abundant a long way from the equator. At least according to the new World Happiness Report 2015. The 10 happiest countries are Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, and Australia.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world

[Kang Colby]

71. Laugh it up now...

there are millions of people who don't see Bernie Sanders as a viable candidate...those people are called "voters".

[senz]

82. Grumble when you say that

sweetie

[Art_from_Ark]

96. And there are millions of people who don't see Hillary as a viable candidate

They're also called "voters".

[Warren DeMontague]

92. He wants us to be Denmark, AND he wants us to have a flat tax- at the SAME TIME!

It's simply astounding.

[beam me up scottie]

94. Will someone please think of the children?!?!

I am OUTRAGED!!!1!

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Sorry, we're all out of outrage.

It would appear some citizens cornered the market a while back and acquired all the known supply.

[Vattel]

117. I once met a Danish person who was really unhappy. He had to take meds for it.

So much for Bernie's "Denmark is a socialist paradise" meme. And have you ever eaten a Danish? Not very healthy IMHO.

[merrily]

119. No, but, made right, they are yummy and yummy often = happy.

Briefly, anyway.

[jeff47]

126. (Pay no attention to the fact that his meds were free) nt