It's truly disturbing to see the Sanders camp repeat Trey Gowdy's lies.

[sufrommich]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NH Ethylene (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

It's both amazing and disturbing to watch:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=658466

[BootinUp]

1. Well, Only if this is really a Democratic website. nt

[Roy Rolling]

49. "...disturbing to see Sanders camp repeat..."

What is disturbing is this nearly 3-week old post being used to mislead people. "the Sanders camp" has not repeated anything. Nice try, but a transparently partisan attack. The same sort of alleged attack you are crying crocodile tears over.

[BootinUp]

56. Hey Roy

Did you know that all the posts in the referenced thread are not 3 weeks old? Go look for yourself.

I do think it was an oversight on my part not to qualify my post along the lines of limiting who it applied to. Guess I am not perfect. Felt like venting at the state of this forum similar to you I suppose.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. To be fair it is some and far from all...

To be fair it is some and far from all...

Most Sanders supporters see the GOP attacks for what they are and that is garbage.

[Blue State Bandit]

31. She left herself open for these attacks from the GOP.

Hubris is the only crime here. After the Bush Administration's mishandling of official e-mails, she should have used some professional judgment, and not given the GOP the opportunity in the first place.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. That is a a fundamentally different assertion than the one the seminal poster is making...

That is a a fundamentally different assertion than the one the seminal poster is making ; that some posters on a Democratic board are openly rooting for the Republican led Benghazi Committee and other Republican inspired campaigns against Hillary Clinton.

[lewebley3]

61. Hllary did not leave herself open for attack: The GOP will always attack Hillary!

The GOP will make things up: and the GOP will use the Sanders
campaign to attack Hillary

I don't trust the Sanders campaign!

[Blue State Bandit]

64. But it's so much easier when the work is done for them.

What did she think she was going to accomplish by running her own server farm? From the moment Obama took office, everybody was hemming and hawing about the security of his blackberry. The Secret Service stepped in to secure the system for him.

If you proclaim to be a "political professional" you might want to take care to eliminate the obvious attack vectors of your enemies. Especially when you spent a good portion of of your prior job attacking your rivals for something very similar (GovTech).

[lewebley3]

67. No its not: the GOP makes things up: There is nothing wrong with running her own server

[Blue State Bandit]

71. Even Hillary finally said it was a bad idea.

It was a bad idea. Accept it, or not. Not my problem. And the more Hillary's camp makes light of it, or obfuscates into technicalities of "not marked classified" knowing damned well that most of her communications, by nature of her job, can be later deemed classified, I have no doubt that this will continue to hang over her head, and fuel GOP mischief.

On the other hand, what does the GOP have to throw at Bernie? Commie? Socialist? That shit doesn't fly, so that attack his supporters.
That's call the politics of principal, and if you don't trust it, again. Not my problem.

[lewebley3]

72. That is because Hillary is not Trump; or a GOP person: legally it was Okay!

And ethically okay too: The Story is self was created by
the GOP and New York times.

[Mass]

3. You mean Michael Isikoff is a GOP operative?

This Michael isikoff http://www.amazon.com/Hubris-Inside-Story-Scandal-Selling/dp/030734682X?

OK... Thanks for the laugh.

You are totally free to dislike what he has to say, but your attack is just plain wrong.

[sufrommich]

5. I'll stick with Rep. Cummings statement.

Who's actually on the panel.Do you think he's lying?

[Mass]

9. No, I am just disagreeing with your assessment of Isikoff.

I did not read the article. I am fed up with the issue itself. But I wanted to know who wrote the article, and without him, we probably would not know anything about many of the Iraq War problems.

[leftofcool]

6. So glad you are in the GOP camp

[Mass]

10. I was really undecided between HRC and Sanders. Thanks for making it so easy.

[leftofcool]

34. You're welcome and please keep repeating Benghazi over and over

[Mass]

36. Only person to use the word is you.

So I guess you just came out on the GOP side. No surprise.

[DURHAM D]

17. Are you not aware that Michael Isikoff was indeed

a GOP operative during the Clinton administration?

[frylock]

41. You mean like that David Brock fellow?

[DURHAM D]

50. Nope.

[frylock]

55. So David Brock never wrote that anti-Clinton book that he wrote?

[DURHAM D]

60. From the beginning it was known that he was a

William Mellon Scaife hit man. No pretense about his agenda.

Isikoff otoh was on TV every night pretending to be a legitimate newsman and spitting propaganda about the Clintons. It was not revealed until later that he was Ken Starr's fluffer and leaker and that he was taking his directives/gossip from Angels Lucianne Goldberg and Ann Coulter.

[phleshdef]

4. I'm part of the "Sanders camp" and I want to see Trey Gowdy investigated.

So don't you DARE lump me in with these lying corrupt, fucks that are politicizing Benghazi.

[NCTraveler]

7. Please don't think said person or others are in the Sanders camp.

This story is ripe for two things with respect to trolls. 1) Disseminating it hurts Hillary when it comes to people who don't spend as much time reading about this as it does we do. 2) Knowingly disseminating it, under the guise of being a Sanders supporter, makes them look wholly unethical, stupid, and willing to team up with the right to fight against a progressive.

It is a twofer for the trolls. Don't think that a poster going with up to five email stories a day, most from right wing sources, who also questions the intelligence of POC and if they suffer from Stockholm because many support a progressive; is anything but a right wing troll.

[sufrommich]

8. I know that,I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=699916


Labeling DU posters as The Hillary Camp is disingenuous at best.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I love you but please be careful... It is some but not all Sanders supporters...

I love you but please be careful... It is some but not all Sanders supporters who are trafficking in these calumnies.

[sufrommich]

14. I'm not claiming all Sanders supporters are,I know quite a few aren't.

The ones that are should acknowledge that they're repeating a lie that has now been debunked.


Oh and....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I know...

I just want to make it clear that is some but by no means all Sanders supporters who are flogging the e-mail story. I like to see the candidates I support rise or fall on their own merits and not because their opponents stumble.


It's funny... Trey Gowdy is some back woods former federal prosecutor. I see some in the right wing press arguing he's a latter day Thomas Dewey.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Well done!

[workinclasszero]

12. Straight from Trey Gowdy, the Witchhunter General's mouth...

right to screaming headlines on Drudge, freakrepublic, breitbart and...."Democratic" Underground! SMFH!

Remember when a single post advocating for republicans and their evil agenda bought you a nice pizza?

F*** this place is a toxic slime pit of right wing propaganda anymore. Sickening that this shit is allowed to go on around here.

[sufrommich]

16. The poster commented on their OP yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=699925


In other words,as of yesterday it's "yeah,it's a lie but so what?

[marym625]

19. why are you saying "Sanders' Camp" in the OP

While admitting throughout that it's not many of the people who support Sanders?

That post is over a week old. It doesn't even have 25 recs. Many Sanders supporters have been calling out this bullshit for months.

How about a "It's truly disturbing to see the Hillary's camp repeatedly say nasty, overblown, ridiculous things about Sanders' supporters"

Or better yet, just f'n stop it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Please see Posts #2 and #11

And the people who recommended that thread could really use some sober self reflection.

[marym625]

26. yes, I saw

And I appreciate that you said it.

As far as the recs, I have no idea if those people even remember rec'ing it since truth came out. I'm not going to judge.

Have a beautiful day, DSB

[sufrommich]

21. Are you equally concerned about using the term "Hillary's Camp?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=699916

It's got 83 recs and it's about an OP on DU,why does one count as coming from a candidates camp and not the other?

[marym625]

23. you know what, you're right

It all sucks. All of it.

This OP is calling out a post as people touting lies on a post that was made prior to it being known as a lie. That's an issue for me.

However, you're deflecting. In doing so you seem to have no problem with this.

I'm done with this conversation and post (except to respond to DSB), and all things to do with this bull. I was smart enough to stay away from all of it for months but slipped recently. Since so much, and the majority of responses are deflection, hyperbole, and/or just bull, I've learned my lesson.

[arcane1]

68. Because the entire point of the OP is to equate Sanders supporters with rightwing trolls.

Consistency and accuracy are the enemies of meta whining.

[Gothmog]

22. I agree

Repeating right wing tallking points and using right wing sources is disturbing

[Cheese Sandwich]

24. That poster is an O'Malley supporter. So I'm sure you will correct your title.

The post you linked to is from an O'Malley supporter.

[ctsnowman]

27. You had to go and ruin it.

Just when they thought they found a smoking gun.

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. I expect to see the title changed any minute now

"It's truly disturbing to see the O'Malley camp repeat Trey Gowdy's lies!!!!"

No that won't happen because nobody is on a mission in life to sling mud against O'Malley supporters as a group.

[magical thyme]

29. Sanders' supporters suck is the meme. O'Malley's going to have to get his own meme going.

[stupidicus]

32. well, there's always the "It's truly disturbing to see the Clinton camp baselessy, dishonestly

and/or stupidly smear the Sander's camp with..." option in a similar top post.

I'm sure the top poster here would love the attention given their obvious inattention to or disregard for all the material facts in the matter.

[demmiblue]

45. You should start an OP and link it to this thread.

No difference between the two, except yours would be the honest one.

Both would be meta/call-outs, though (imho).

[Puglover]

30. The orig OP's profile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=135822

Yeah BIG ole Sanders supporter.

[sufrommich]

35. I'll just leave this here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1251658466&info=1#recs



And this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1251699916&info=1#recs

[TM99]

37. I removed my rec when

the new corrected information emerged.

I could care less about Benghazi.

I do care about the security aspects. I also care about the lies, obfuscating, and the arrogance that speaks to her character. I have never denied that, and I maintain it is important, even if you say it is not.

[SwampG8r]

38. Hillary supporters will repeat this lie over and over

They won't ever admit he is an O'Malley supporter.
It ruins the narrative.
Don't expect the egregious lie about who's supporter posted this to ever be corrected
In Hillary land 2 lies equal the truth apparently.
And the lie I reference is the using a.post by an O'Malley supporter to sling feces at Sanders supporters.
It won't be fixed be cause lies are all Hillary's supporters do commerce.in.

[Puglover]

42. The OP can't admit it.

Just misdirects. No surprise there.

[Cheese Sandwich]

58. I read their blogs at daily kos

Assuming this the same person

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/askew

[Dustlawyer]

39. I have been consistent in my criticism of Benghazi investigations and the email flap.

I support Bernie for many reasons, not the least of which is sticking with the real problems we face. I am tired of the sniping back and forth between the Hillary and Bernie camps. Can we discuss real issues and solutions?

My big issues are corporate control over our government and Climate Change. I believe that we should be discussing when and how we can stop the corruption in our government and how we can combat Climate Change in a real and substantial way!

[lark]

40. What's disturbing is your attribution of this to Sanders' supporters.

It's the Repugs that did this, not Sanders or his supporters.

[SoapBox]

43. Oh blah, blah, blah!!!!

Oh good gawd...take a look at all the Hillbots and the RACIST (among many, many things) accusations that have been thrown at Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

Outrageously hypocritical!!!

[gregcrawford]

44. This is the second time today...

... I've seen you going after Sanders supporters. I have to wonder just what it is you think you'll accomplish with such easily dismissed allegations.

I do not believe for a second that Bernie's supporters would give credibility to a single word out of Trey Gowdy's lying mouth. I am a Bernie supporter, but I will also defend Hillary against a bag of pig excrement like Gowdy, or any other like-minded mental defective. And, should she win the nomination, I will support Hillary to the fullest. If Bernie wins, will you do the same?

Burning bridges is never a winning strategy.

[Ed Suspicious]

51. Shit thrown at a wall hoping to see something stick.

[gregcrawford]

65. I know, but WHY? n/t

[arcane1]

70. To be fair, it's not as if they could win based on discussions of policy n/t

[thesquanderer]

46. In all fairness, that thread is from Oct 8, before they were known to be lies.

I didn't read the whole thread. Is anyone there still claiming that the stuff is true?

[demmiblue]

47. Disruptive meta. n/t

[Vinca]

48. Another untrue slur against Bernie supporters.

It's getting tedious Hillary people. Try to check your accusations out before posting them.

[Romulox]

52. So...the OP isn't true. Quelle surprise! nt

[Omaha Steve]

53. Before I clicked I was afraid it was my LBN post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141236854

I agreed in a reply that it was the GOP that cut funding. I never thought anybody would take that story as truth. It is more like

OS

[blackspade]

54. Not his 'camp,' just people who can't read through M$M and GOP bullshit.

Most Sanders supporters know bullshit when they see it.
This e-mail thing is just another in a long line of crap spewing out of the mouths of talking heads who have no sense of shame or decency.

[stonecutter357]

57. K&R!

[hueymahl]

59. It is truly disturbing to see the Clinton camp engage in broad brush fallacies

See how that works? One poster makes one allegation and attributes it to the entire group. Classic "Broad Brush" fallacy.

In other words, pot, meet kettle.

[sufrommich]

63. You mean like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=699916


With 103 recs?


Thanks for making my point.

[highprincipleswork]

62. As far as I know, there is no camp involved. This is the action of one individual.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it is one individual, please do not smear the entire "Sanders camp"

Not that equally inflammatory posts have not come from the "Hillary camp", or rather from individuals inside the group that supports Hillary.

In fact, I find it kind of laughable that threads can appear and loom large regarding either candidate and there are some people who are banned from commenting on them simply because one person in one of the camps took offense for some reason. That seems absolutely absurd to me. And if people enjoy living in that sort of bubble - well, I just don't think that living in bubbles is a very safe way to live.

It would be nice if we all realize that someday, when this nomination process is all together, we are all going to want to come together for mutual goals and concerns.

In the meantime, let's each "side" strive to be a little less inflammatory and let "the better angels of our nature" guide the discourse.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. Hyperbole much?

It's a link to a Yahoo News item that was shared by a long time but not prolific poster.

[stevenleser]

69. Like I said to MineralMan in another thread. That OP about the Atlantic article making fun of Bernie

supporters? Bernie fans here were upset about that article, but there are reasons why articles like that are being written.

Reasons like what MineralMan encountered http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=702075 and what you noted in your OP.

[Chemisse]

73. Sorry, we are locking this.

Calling out another thread to discuss in a negative way is considered to be disruptive meta, which is not allowed.