bernie wants a 60% tax rate on the middle class

[saturnsring]

that's what it is in the country he says we should be like, Denmark. this will be one of fox news' stories on Bernie, wait until middle America starts hearing that

[ibegurpard]

1. That's a lie

[saturnsring]

3. it isnt, denmarks tax rate is 60.2%

[demwing]

47. Bernie also wants us to speak Danish

and adopt the krone

[JackInGreen]

56. AND smoke hash

And make public music festivals obligatory and constant.

[redwitch]

92. Plus, there are those pastries.

Yum! Bring it on!

[Art_from_Ark]

106. Danish pastries! Yum!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

109. GOP wants you to think this will happen here

[portlander23]

2. sure

[notadmblnd]

4. prove it.

Prove Senator Sanders said that we should be exactly like Denmark.

[saturnsring]

34. he said we need to be like denmark - what do you think fox news is gonna do with that?

they'll say exactly what I posted and look at the reaction it got from all of you - how do you think it will impact middle America?

[notadmblnd]

74. I don't care what Fox news does with it

I assume you admit that what you posted is not true?

[saturnsring]

79. you should because the media can do alot of damage to a candidate

[arcane1]

84. If we chose a candidate that FOX would not make fun of, we would have to choose a republican.

Take this shit elsewhere.

[saturnsring]

97. yea excpt that isnt what i said

we have Bernie or Hillary - one has been vetted for years, all they have left is Benghazi and emails both of which are falling apart but the smear campaign against Bernie hasn't started yet.

[arcane1]

100. And here you are, starting it n/t

[saturnsring]

102. well im not the media

[notadmblnd]

88. Nothing good is coming Sander's or Clinton's way from Fox anyway.

Prevaricating will not win friends or influence people here.

Enjoy your stay.

[arcane1]

78. So you're writing FOX's smears for them, and posting them on DU?

What the fuck is that about?

[senz]

85. GOOD QUESTION.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. You need to delete this.

Post a link or delete it.

[L0oniX]

87. Obviously MIRT missed this one.

[marym625]

6. link please

.02% increase hardly equals 60%. Please link to your findings

[JaneyVee]

10. .02% was just for paid leave.

[marym625]

14. so?

That makes this true? It's the only figure that's been used.

This is bullshit

[saturnsring]

36. denmark's tax rate is 60.2% that's what they charge their citizens to be like denmark

it doesn't matter whether or not it's * exactly * true your going to see this crap on the news if Bernie gets the nomination. people are gonna freak out just like your doing

[marym625]

41. LOL!

I'm not "freaking out" But thanks for your astute observation.

There's a reason I and many others are on a democratic site. So as not to have to put up with right wing bullshit.

Guess those days are gone. Oh well

[arcane1]

80. The poster behind the OP's lone rec is entirely unsurprising

[Romulox]

45. LOL @: "it doesn't matter whether or not it's * exactly * true..." nt

[saturnsring]

70. well will it - does the media care how true it is?

[winter is coming]

49. You mean people are gonna call bullshit just like we're doing? Good. n/t

[PoliticAverse]

81. It's .2% not .02% for the family leave program (from both employee and employer)...

See: http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/issues/paid-family-medical-leave

[marym625]

89. Thank you for the correction.

I did recall that incorrectly.

Don't forget there's a cap as well.

That's much less than any disability insurance I've ever paid. And the benefit is greater. At least for short term

[Agschmid]

7. Except he hasn't said that, so you should self delete.

This is crap.

[whatchamacallit]

8. More RW Red Scare Bullshit

Day by day this place is morphing into free republic.

[still_one]

9. Is this a "fox news" story, or a legitimate story, and if it is, could you provide appropriate

citations where he has proposed that?

I have not stated where my preference is for the Democratic primaries, however, I have NEVER heard Bernie give that figure in any public appearance he has made.

That is why one should apply appropriate citations, or this is just another my candidate is better than your candidate thread without substance

His view of Denmark was relating to Socialized Medicine, and education, not to their tax structure.

[saturnsring]

22. that's the tax structure to support their Socialized Medicine, and education

my point is that this is what youre gonna hear if Bernie becomes the candidate

[Le Taz Hot]

24. Too late to backpeddle now.

Several people suggested you delete this but you're letting it stand. Here's hoping a jury will see this for what it is.

[saturnsring]

29. no one is back peddling

[Blus4u]

51. You're not posting a link either.

Thanks for the warning about what Fox News will be saying.
I don't think this site's members consider Fox a credible source, and for that matter, consider you a credible source either.

[saturnsring]

58. you can google it and read all the posts you want- fox isnt credible and im not saying it is

but the media will turn on him if/when he starts looking like he might win the primary and people will be told stuff like this.

[TBF]

11. If we had a "middle class" that might be interesting -

but we don't. We have the 1%, and then we have the poor people.

Can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Very true!

[Le Taz Hot]

12. He has not called for the same tax rate.

You need to delete this shit!

[Agschmid]

13. Yup.

[still_one]

18. I think the OP is distorting Bernie's Denmark comment. When Bernie made that comment in the debates

he was referring to the social programs such a healthcare and education that the U.S. should adopt, not their tax structure.

It is a complete distortion, but not to surprising in the General Discussion: Primaries forum.

Also, I am not necessarily in the Bernie camp, but I really don't like distortions no matter where they come from

[Le Taz Hot]

21. This is coming straight out of Faux Nooz

I alerted, something I RARELY do but this is obviously a right wing troll. We'll see what happens.

[saturnsring]

23. that is my point that this WILL be fox news if bernie picks up steam this is not yet on fox

but it will be

[Le Taz Hot]

25. Enjoy your stay.

While it lasts.

[liberal_at_heart]

16. I just love the ignore button.

[still_one]

27. Why? I think the OPs distortion of the facts is garbage also, but if you put someone on ignore,

then you would not have an opportunity to rebuttal it.

Of course it is a personal decision, but for me no matter how much I disagree with someone, I never put anyone on ignore.

I guess if it becomes too frustrating, or aggravates someone enough that it becomes unhealthy, that would be a good reason to do it.

Just my two cents that is all.

[Le Taz Hot]

28. I'm waiting for the jury results first.

Either way, my ignore list will increase by 1.

[DinahMoeHum]

61. The "Trash This Thread" button works just as well.

n/t

[katsy]

17. Delete this bs

And let's take all of our taxes including healthcare premiums, sales taxes property taxes etc and let's see how much we really pay for what we get. I'll bet the Danish get more than their money's worth.

[fredamae]

19. Even IF true

Then we would likely no longer have Ins Premiums, Tuition, and so on. That's how it works. We would Finally have a ROI on the taxes we pay.

[upaloopa]

30. My employer pays my health ins premium

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

and for my HSA. I am not going to college since I graduated some time ago.
I will be paying higher taxes for nothing
Thanks Bernie.

[fredamae]

32. Good to know it's all

about us individually? "I got mine"? I still care about the future for our kids....grandkids....Country.

[upaloopa]

48. Wow I am in the presence of greatness.

You want to play Robin Hood

[fredamae]

64. This reminds me of

the talking points from the Republican Wing of the Dem Party...or "No Labels/New Dem Coalition/Blue Dogs/Pete Petersons Fix The Debt".
Am I close?

[Fawke Em]

52. Same arguement right-wingers use about public education.

"I don't have any kids in K-12! Why should I have to pay for someone else's kids?"

[Comrade Grumpy]

94. ...say my Republican acquaintances. n/t

[bvar22]

114. ...AND, you built it ALL on your own,

didn't you.

And people complain about Right Wing Talking Points on DU.

"I got MINE. Fuck YOU and Yours."--The unofficial motto of the Republican Party.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. Where did he say he wanted a 60% tax rate on the middle class?

Oh, yeah. Nowhere.

Yes, he does advocate for some Denmark-like social programs. Oddly, Denmark and the other Scandinavian social-democrat countries rank consistently as the happiest countries in the world. Have you noticed desperate mobs of Scandinavians wearing their lovely patterned sweaters and clutching pots of lutefisk lining up to escape their socialist hellhole by seeking entry into the United States? Me neither.

But he has never suggested imposing higher taxes on the middle class. He has suggested higher taxes on the very wealthy, some of whom pay little tax at all under our current system. I have no problem with that at all.

[saturnsring]

26. he didnt say it but he said we need to be more like denmark and this is denmark's tax rate

to pay for this stuff - and it will be on the news if Bernie get the nom.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. " I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn..."

Learning from them does not mean he wants to pass their tax policy, though I think if Americans want such a system then all Americans should be willing to pony up more taxes.

CNN Democratic Debate – Full Transcript
I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people.

Top income tax rate: How U.S. really compares
At 60.2%, Denmark last year had the highest top personal income tax rate among the 34 countries in the OECD, an organization of developed and emerging countries. And that 60.2% applied to income over roughly $55,000.

[frylock]

33. Some people say he's going to force us to wear wooden shoes as well.

[MuseRider]

40. :-) n/t

[Trajan]

35. This is fallacious nonsense ...

I won't wait for the jury results - your arse is iggied ...

[MuseRider]

37. Either post a link or delete.

Otherwise you just made this up and posted it with proof that just because Denmark does it this way it has to be done this way so this is what Bernie wants.

You do not get away with this here. People are way to smart for this to fly. Post a freaking link or admit this was what YOU decided was truth.

[bowens43]

38. blah blah blah blah hillary's evil minions are hot today......

I hear hillary wants to cut taxes on the upper 1% to 1%.....yeah that's it...that's what I heard...

LOL where do you guys get this shit?

[marym625]

43. There's a book

Didn't you get one? Of not, there's people you can contact over on another site

[99Forever]

39. A blatant, baldfaced fucking lie.

Not even worth arguing with.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. I'm no Bernie Sanders fans

But until he puts in writing and says it -

I don't believe it.

The hyperbole needs to stop.

[marym625]

44. +1

[Vinca]

46. What a total lie.

He's said nothing about tax rates. He has said he'd like to tax Wall Street transactions and do away with money held offshore to avoid taxes and have a higher tax rate on people so wealthy they won't miss it anyway. He's admitted the tax rate might go up a little on average people, but it seems a fair trade off for single-payer healthcare, free public college, family leave, etc.

[saturnsring]

53. when has the media worried about lying - it's what americans will be told

they'll say Bernie said taxes will go up and he said we should be like Denmark who has a 60% tax rate. he'll be crushed in the general and we'll end up with trump

im a big Bernie supporter I have a daughter going into high school - I would love to not have to worry about how im going to pay for her college but we cant lose the w.h. due to scotus.

[Vinca]

57. Americans are about 50% imbeciles who can't name the sitting Vice President.

Bernie has to do a better job explaining what "democratic socialism" means. I hope he points out some of the "socialist" things we already have in this country: Social Security, Medicare, the military, VA healthcare, the Interstate highway system, the local town snowplow that digs you out after a blizzard, etc. I agree that Democrats need to keep the WH at all costs because of the Supreme Court, but I'm not as sure as everyone else seems to be that Hillary can win it.

[redwitch]

66. Apparently you and the media have something in common. nt

[Fumesucker]

50. Thank you for bringing this scurrilous rumor to our attention that it may be thoroughly refuted...

[Agschmid]

54. Someone has the results...

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[Armstead]

55. I donlt give a shit what Fox News does wioth anything

If Bernie of Clinton said everyone was going to get a 50 percent tax rebate, they'd find something wrong with it.

[saturnsring]

60. you should because we all pay the price for the media's manipulation of the people

[Armstead]

62. Fox also says Obama is a Muslim Radical Marxist and Clinton is a Criminal

I agree that we should care what the media says.

But 1) That means standing up to their lies, and 2)Fox is not the media. It is a propaganda organ for the GOP.

[Starry Messenger]

59. Dude, no. Just no.

[phleshdef]

63. Your interpretation of Bernie's policy proposals is absolute dogshit...

...and I doubt you even believe this anyway. If you do, then you should probably stop posting and take a political science class, a literacy class and a critical thinking class then come back if you pass.

[DinahMoeHum]

65. No link for us? You just got TRASHED.

n/t

[Florencenj2point0]

67. Your opinion is not worthy

It is unhelpful to Bernie, delete this immediately. If you do not a committee of all Bernie supporters will delete it for you and hand out punishments. LOL

[valerief]

68. Wow, will we get all the cool stuff Denmark gets???? That'd be great! A true social safety net!

Oh, and goodbye forever. You've just joined my Forever Ignored club.

[restorefreedom]

69. please link or self delete

this is getting embarrassing.

[saturnsring]

72. link to what- this is my opinion on what will happen once the media starts in on bernie

as far as what Bernie said you can google that all on your own

[restorefreedom]

73. you presented an op with a hard number to look like sourced info.

you should back it up or self delete.

[restorefreedom]

71. hillary is going to start a war with iran her first day in office!!,

see how ridiculous that looks?

[Agschmid]

75. Yes I do.

And I also see how rediculous this OP is.

[restorefreedom]

96. yup. kinda sad, really. nt

[TDale313]

76. Quit lying.

You know this flamebait isn't true.

[Go Vols]

77. "McDonald’s workers in Denmark have a union. Earn $45,000/year."

Lars Esbjerg, a professor at Aarhus University in Denmark, studies low-wage jobs in his country. Esbjerg said the median earnings are not publicly available, but he sent us a copy of the latest McDonald’s union contract. The lowest hourly rate is 115 DKK, or $20.70. Anyone who works after 6 p.m. or on Sundays is paid more.

"Given that many will work odd hours, the full-time equivalent wage of $45,000 sounds about right to me," Esbjerg said.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/03/other-98/can-you-make-45000year-mcdonalds-denmark/


So if the OP were true,even low wage jobs would pay more there than here after tax,plus you get all the good stuff the tax pays for.

[saturnsring]

98. well that's excellent and it should be easy to get seeing as the fight to get it to 15/hr has been

so easily accomplished

[Go Vols]

99. Excellent indeed

Go Bernie!

[JoePhilly]

82. Looks like a RW site sprung a leak.

[senz]

83. Another lying rightwing talking point.

Total lie.

[L0oniX]

86. Well saturnsring ...now we know who to come to if we want bull shit stirred.

Looks like MIRT missed one.

[mmonk]

90. You Republicans... I mean Third Way Democrats!

You're such a joke like your counterparts.

[closeupready]

91. Middle class in New York, as the wealthy here tell us, begins at $250k per year.

Therefore, if I'm supposed to care only about myself, then I have no problem with that proposal, if true.

[ornotna]

93. They also have a debt to GDP of 45.2%

While the US is currently at 103%.

Damn Socialists!

[aidbo]

95. Why is this even still up?

Off to the trash with ye.

[ChiciB1]

103. THAT IS A LIE! He Will Make It All VERY CLEAR SOON!!!! n/t

[BainsBane]

104. He has proposed nothing of the sort

I don't like some of his proposals regarding taxation because they aren't progressively indexed, but there is no reason to just make stuff up. If people on both sides stuck too the actual policies advanced by the candidates, we'd be a lot better off.

[saturnsring]

105. my point was more about messaging from the media - i was proposing that this was the kind of

smear the media will produce when they turn on Bernie and the effect it will have on the average American who doesn't pay all that much attention to politics.

Bernie said he will raise taxes on everybody and he has also said that we should be more like Denmark which has a 60% tax rate. it isn't a stretch to image this kind of ad coming out of the media with statements like that from Bernie and if it does he's gonna get crushed by trump. imo

the media has left Bernie alone but they wont if he becomes the nominee

[LongTomH]

107. Wikipedia lists Denmark's personal income tax as 29.68% min / 47.794% max

First $7,760 USD is deductible to get taxable income.

List of countries by tax rates

If you have other figures, please feel free to present, preferably with links.

[saturnsring]

111. At 60.2%, Denmark last year had the highest top personal income tax rate among the 34 countries in t

At 60.2%, Denmark last year had the highest top personal income tax rate among the 34 countries in the OECD, an organization of developed and emerging countries. And that 60.2% applied to income over roughly $55,000. That's a bigger bite than wealthy Californians face on their paychecks and other earned income.Apr 1, 2013

money.cnn.com/2013/04/01/pf/taxes/top-income-tax/

CNNMoney



or google "denmark's tax rate"

[LongTomH]

113. OK, I concede the ooint. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

108. In a country where "middle class" extends to the 400k neighborhood that might be perfectly fine

by me.

Remember that their equivalent of state and local taxes rolls into that. My top Federal rate would be between 60 and 65% so for that kind of return on investment I'm good with the high end of the "middle class" to be in the 50-55% total tax area (Federal, state,and local) and in some states that might be a savings over what they pay now.

I'm below the median but by the time all my deductions hit I'm down over a 1/3 and that doesn't cover any paid leave, education, child/elder care, much in the way of infrastructure, or thousands of potential post tax dollars in out of pocket health care costs and working longer hours with less time off to do it and some years I have to pay either the state or Uncle Sam on tax day too.

I don't think our deal is that amazing at all unless you're upper crustish or near then the scale of economy makes fee for service a small relative investment even while a tremendous strain down the ladder.

We spend about all our Federal actual revenue on the military and little value is returned once you get past dicey roads so automatically it is going to feel like money pissed into a black hole to folks to pay taxes.
I firmly believe much of the anti tax and anti safety net zeal would evaporate if we spent our money on that which is necessary and useful.

It is too easy to be all wound up for folks without a lot of intellectual curiosity to be herded by snake oil salesmen and carnival barkers into the bullshit that all those trillions were handed out to welfare scammers and layabouts since they can't even think of anything else it could have been spent on because every damn thing is out of pocket for them.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

110. RW speak

[kath]

112. LIE.