Do You Ever Get The Feeling That The Democratic Uber/Upper Class Has The Same Disdain...

[WillyT]

For The Democratic Middle And Lower Classes ???

Used to be... the Upper Class had more... Class.

Now... not so much.

[Art_from_Ark]

1. I've seen some self-proclaimed one-percenters here

trying hard to hide their disdain for us peasants.

[stillwaiting]

2. I don't feel like they try to hide it all.

They laugh at us and mock us quite openly.

After admitting they are much more than financially secure. Real peaches the lot of them. Of course, I have them on ignore now.

[liberal_at_heart]

5. I have them on ignore now too.

[sheshe2]

23. Care to give me a list?

[delrem]

39. Ever heard the line "S/he protests too much"?

[sheshe2]

42. Sure.

So now put up the facts that so many of you know. Ever heard of the line....put your money where your mouth is?

[delrem]

43. We don't do that on DU.

But that doesn't mean people don't say vague things.

[sheshe2]

44. Your non answer

is all I need to know.

[delrem]

45. Don't take it so personally.

[sheshe2]

46. I am not taking it personally.

I take it for a fact.

Boom!

[delrem]

47. Have you ever heard the word "ironic"? nt

[sheshe2]

50. I have one for you, yet I would get a hide.

Night~

[delrem]

53. See? Irony is easy. nt

[AgingAmerican]

55. NOT GOOD ENOUGH

for you?

[sheshe2]

64. ...

and~











NOT GOOD ENOUGH for you?

[Unknown Beatle]

122. Do you really think that showing pictures of Obama and Hillary

is enough to convince people to vote for her?

Her record is the only thing that matters, and it's full of holes. She's in bed with big money and she's also a war hawk. And if you can't see that, I don't know what to say, well, I do know what to say but I'm not going to say it.

[artislife]

96. Please

One, you are baiting for hides and two, I think you read everything very carefully and for them to escape your notice is not in the realm of possibility. You are too smart for that to happen.


Have a great day!

[WillyT]

60. You're... Keeping Lists ???

Wow.

[sheshe2]

66. Willy

Read your threads.

Start at answer one and read down..

There are people that seem to have lists. It sure isn't me. READ your own thread.

[randome]

76. Maybe he's texting it in from that tavern of his.

It really is the end of the world for them, isn't it? Incredible.
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[zappaman]

111. As "Queen Latifa" would say...

LOL!

[riderinthestorm]

100. Here's a list. More than a few DUers self-identify as the 1% on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025249316

[BeanMusical]

108. No reply. What a shock!

[BeanMusical]

110. Apparently you're on that poster's ignore list.

[RKP5637]

26. What they are forgetting is peaches eventually rot!

[FreakinDJ]

67. Some times I just wonder why I make so much

but 250K puts me in one of those upper tier tax brackets and yes I'm working class

[historylovr]

99. Same here. I've seen a few sneering down their noses at people trying to keep their noses

above water. Well, the contempt is mutual, I can assure them.

[sheshe2]

20. Who are these 1%ers on DU?

[whatchamacallit]

30. Here's one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251699986

[SusanCalvin]

31. Knew it before I clicked. nt

[R. P. McMurphy]

38. Me too. nt

[sheshe2]

34. You found one.

Self proclaimed is a fact now. Got it.

[Art_from_Ark]

68. Here's his self-proclamation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026118520

[treestar]

74. So you're mad at him for it even though he's a Democrat?

[brooklynite]

86. Hmm, you OBJECT to raising taxes on the 1%?

Boy, this is confusing

[Art_from_Ark]

101. No, I object to the condescending attitude that you have displayed

towards people who do not support your candidate, especially after Bernie announced his candidacy. You love to trumpet your own horn, and tell everyone how rich you are, and that the election is all about money, money, money. But to a lot of us peasants out here in the hinterlands, this election is about far more than filthy lucre.

[Unknown Beatle]

120. Hear, Hear!

I'm with you, Art_from_Ark. Well said.

[840high]

35. Thought of this one immediately.

[sheshe2]

40. So.

Please tell me all the others. There must be thousands of them here.

[riderinthestorm]

103. There are others. More than a few self identify as the 1%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025249316

Here's one recent poll

[BeanMusical]

114. You've been provided with a link by riderinthestorm twice yet you didn't bother to click on it.

[brooklynite]

83. Gee, it's nice to have fans...

...I note that you didn't post one of my comments where I said I had no problem with any of Bernie's policies; I'm just not convinced he's electable.

[Unknown Beatle]

121. The answer to that is

that everyone who thinks he's unelectable voted for him, then he would not only be electable, he would win.

I still think he's going to win anyway.

[brooklynite]

123. ...and you've got a way to convince "everyone"? Because I haven't seen it.

[Unknown Beatle]

124. I'm not trying to convince anyone.

Their records speak for themselves.

Hillary's record is mostly for big money, while Bernie's is for the 99%.

If you can't see that, I'm not going to try to convince you because it's so obvious that if that's not enough, then nothing is.

[brooklynite]

125. But I'm not the "everyone" you have to convince...

...you have to convince about 18-20 M Democrats to vote for your guy. If your response is "his record speaks for itself", I don't think you're going to be happy with the outcome.

[Unknown Beatle]

126. You're going to be surprised then, when he wins not only

the primaries but also the general election for president.

[sabrina 1]

63. Well, I look at it this way. There are a lot more of us 'peasants' (thanks to them btw) than

there are of them.

So a lot more disdain iis going in their direction than in ours.

I love it when people underestimate power of a people united.

Chuck Todd eg, admits to being 'puzzled' by Bernie's popularity.

That's what happens when you scratch and claw your way INTO a small bubble.

You only see what's inside and you could become very certain that YOU know what's BEST for all those outside.

What is missing from their arrogant and misguided calculations is the fact that MANY OF US could be where they are.

But we wouldn't be there if you paid us what they are paying them.

Because we have .... here comes the dreaded word ..... a CONSCIENCE.

Today I learned, for the umpteenth time actually, that being in possession of a 'conscience' is just simply reprehensible. It's simply UNPATRIOTIC. Most definitely ANT-CAPITALISM.

I learned also that Denmark is a hell hole of Happy Socialists.

Their thinking is so upside down they don't even know it.

I pity them for their lack of human emotions, for their weaknesses that have led them to a place where they are so totally blinded by their own 'beliefs' they can't figure out why they are so DISDAINED.

I know we are way smarter than most of them.

Smart isn't a requirement for acquiring wealth and power.

Up to now we haven't used the power we have.

But it was bound to happen when they predictably didn't know when to stop grabbing our stuff to the point where we NOTICED.

[Art_from_Ark]

71. Great commentary, Sabrina

Your posts are insightful and inspirational

[enid602]

82. Ironic

Ironically, most lower income people probably vote Tea Party.

[Art_from_Ark]

104. My Congressional district is the wealthiest in Arkansas

and it has not elected a Democratic Congressman since 1966.

Meanwhile, the governor, a US Senator, and the 3rd district representative are all rich Republicans from that area-- actually, from a 10-mile radius from Walmart World Headquarters.

On the other hand, with the exception of Pulaski County, the counties that reliably vote D are nearly all poor counties in the eastern Delta region.

[kelly1mm]

3. Yep! Lets just go through a few. Gas taxes, Sin taxes (cigs, beer), gotta be vegan,

'good-for-you' regulations like drink size limits, NASCAR obviously sucks (the fact that it does suck is besides the point), suburbs suck, rural areas REALLY suck, etc ....

[liberal_at_heart]

4. Oh, and if we would just get rid of our non essentials and save like we are supposed to we

would have fat 401(k)s too. Yeah, the disdain is definitely palpable.

[LiberalArkie]

7. I plan on saving all of my COLA from the increase in next years Social Security check. HAHA

[Art_from_Ark]

8. The extra money from my mom's COLA

will be enough to buy a cola.

[LiberalArkie]

11. Won't even do that in 2016, they said there will not be one, prices have not gone up. So Funny.

[Art_from_Ark]

13. What world are they living in?

Food prices going up.
Insurance premiums going up.
Drug prices going up.
Gas prices going down.
Hey, no inflation!

[kelly1mm]

18. But but but you can buy a 50 inch flat screen for $400! See, things are cheap! nt

[kelly1mm]

17. Oh come on! Just cut down to one Starbucks run a day and you would be fine! lol nt

[hughee99]

25. Not just nascar, pretty much any sport.

If you go to the sports forum around the time of most big sporting events, you can usually see people who venture over there just so they can let everyone know they don't care and sports is just some sort of a sideshow to distract the simple masses from the "real issues".

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. The GOP does let the uber rich off lightly

[Juicy_Bellows]

9. You got that right Willy. Nt.

[Uncle Joe]

10. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

[betterdemsonly]

12. Modern Democrats and Republicans don't represent different classes anymore so

much as the represent different industries. Modern Dems represent Wallstreet and Tech, and Modern GOPers represent mining, forestry, the oil industry and big ag. Since most dem industries are urban and most gop industries are rural they quibble over culture war issues, and nothing much else.

[Lucky Luciano]

16. On to something there. nt

[RKP5637]

27. When it comes to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s it's the same for R = D = I.

[LuvNewcastle]

33. That's a very good summation.

Notice who's missing in both parties.

[appalachiablue]

14. K & R. Great OP Willy T, thanks!

[WillyT]

32. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[AgingAmerican]

15. Creeping fascism

[SidDithers]

19. Something something Stockholm Syndrome...

something something.

Sid

[sheshe2]

24. ...

[betsuni]

69. I have no idea what this thread is even about. nt

[WillyT]

70. Thank You For That Piercing Analysis...

[BeanMusical]

115. Wow, impressive arguments.

[rhett o rick]

128. I read that to say we should bow down and accept the rule of the wealthy billionaires. They are

worthy because they are wealthy. Vote for the status quo and watch the 99% continue it's slide into poverty. The establishment has ignored the 16,000,000 American children now living in poverty. Vote for the status quo if you don't care.

[azmom]

21. K & R

[Phlem]

22. Willy, it's been the Rothchild's Method.

Fund both sides and win, win, win everytime.

I firmly believe there is a dollar amount where Republican or Democrat disappears and it's all about more money.

Greed, whatcha gonna do?

I know, I know.... What Bernie is gonna do. That's why he's got my vote.

[bluestateguy]

28. Yes.

And a lot of that classism manifests itself on the gun issue.

Lexus liberals who are all too happy to confiscate guns from people they view as rednecks and country bumpkins.

[WillyT]

29. Oy...

Nobody wants to take you guns... just register them...

You know... like a driver's license.

[RKP5637]

36. There are more of us than them. Things could change if more Americans woke the F up to how

they are being endlessly used and screwed to the wall. I just have trouble comprehending WTF is wrong with many Americans. The stupidity in America is appalling.

[WillyT]

37. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!

[Todays_Illusion]

41. No WillyT,that is mostly conservative propaganda, thanks for your efforts to air them here.

[WillyT]

51. LOL !!! - Ok...

[Quixote1818]

48. And people only pay the highest rates on their top bracket

[WillyT]

56. Something Nobody Bothers To Remeber...

That tax came after you were fabulously wealthy, and you were provided with ways to shelter the additional money by, let's say...

Building the Golden Gate Bridge, the Hoover Dam, the Interstate Highway System, schools, parks, wilderness areas...

Nobody ever paid the full top rate, because they were directed to public works where they could help the commons, AND keep more of their fortune.

[Bluenorthwest]

139. The citizens paid for the Golden Gate Bridge, not wealthy people seeking tax relief...geez....

"On November 4, 1930, voters within the Golden Gate Bridge and Highway District’s six member counties (San Francisco, Marin, Sonoma, Del Norte, and portions of Napa and Mendocino) went to the polls on the question of whether to put up their homes, their farms and their business properties as collateral for a $35 million bond issue to finance the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge (Bridge). For some, the timing of the bond election was considered economically reckless as it would create bonded indebtedness during the Great Depression. Others said bridge construction represented the economic relief needed from the Great Depression. After the vote, it was clear the people believed in Chief Engineer Joseph Strauss’ vision – 145,057 voted in favor and 46,954 against it.

To celebrate, every store in Marin County closed at 3 PM on November 12, 1930, as Marvelous Marin club staged a parade with floats and fireworks. Santa Rosa celebrated with a bond fire.

The last of the construction bonds was retired in 1971, with $35 million in principal and nearly $39 million in interest being paid entirely from Bridge tolls. With the exception of the Sausalito Lateral approach road (Alexander Avenue today) which was built as a federal WPA project, there was no state or federal funds involved in building the Golden Gate Bridge."
http://goldengatebridge.org/research/BondMeasure.php

The People paid for Hoover Dam and just finished paying in 1987:
"BOULDER CITY, Nev. — The $140-million mortgage, a loan from the U.S. Treasury, to build Hoover Dam will be paid in full today.

Residential and industrial users of electricity have been paying back the government $5.4 million a year at 3% interest over the last 50 years as part of their monthly utility bills."
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-31/news/mn-9239_1_hoover-dam

Interstate Highway Funding: 90% Federal and 10% State funding. No private funding from those seeking to avoid high taxes. Public funding, yet again:
Why does the Federal Government pay 90 percent of the cost?
"As President Dwight D. Eisenhower began to promote creation of a program to build the Interstate Construction Program, the Nation's Governors made clear to him that they did not want to be forced to increase State taxes to pay the additional matching funds for the national program. Therefore, the President proposed to increase funds for the Interstate System, while boosting the Federal share to 90 percent. Under his proposal, the States would continue paying the same amount in matching funds for the Interstate System that they had been paying under the 1954 Act."
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question6


None of the projects you listed were built by people 'sheltering' wealth from taxation and all were in fact paid for via taxation and other public means.

Amazed that a SF native whose father served on the Highway Commission would think the Golden Gate Bridge was built by oligarchs as a way to avoid high taxes....

[Cassiopeia]

49. Bernie Sanders

We can change the status quo.

[ancianita]

52. You sound like you're tippy-toeing toward this...your post led me to make this post.

There ARE elites in the Democratic Party, and I believe that Sanders hasn't been their guy for years. Yet, he'll have to reckon with them if he's to be nominated or elected. That will be more the obstacle to his presidency than the electoral/popular vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017302157

[AgingAmerican]

54. They all feed at the Bankster trough

And the little guy (we the people) is seen as a threat to power.

[reddread]

57. only on DU

seems disproportionate to IRL.
but then any number of deceptive factors may be involved.

[Truprogressive85]

58. yes

To push it further

I can tell you certain people in the that belong to the black upper class have disdain for black middle and poorer class

The beltway, blue blood, establishment types want HRC to win


from my vantage point

[WillyT]

59. I Got In Trouble For That... And Do Thank You For That...

[Bobbie Jo]

61. Ugh

Yet, here you are...

[Truprogressive85]

65. no problem

always want to help a progressive

[Number23]

131. What did you get "in trouble" for precisely?

[onpatrol98]

72. I don't know any...

I don't know a single black du'er who has implied a disdain for middle class blacks or poor blacks. I don't even know why you would even suggest that. On so many levels I'm perplexed.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are black posters on DU more financially secure than others...but to extrapolate from that, they also have a disdain for blacks of less means was tacky and baseless.

It's as if there is no floor on how low these conversations can go on DU. Why even drag black DU'ers into this circular firing squad?

[Truprogressive85]

119. As an African American I speak on issues that I see

Did I say specifically of black duers ? no


I speaking from my vantage point from the upper class blacks who have disdain for middle or poorclass blacks. The black upper class that did want Obama to run until because he was not part of their "society". The upper class blacks who were Clinton loyalists and threw shade at Obama every step he took

[onpatrol98]

127. Ahh...my bad...

The poster I thought you were referring too was speaking about DUers in the 1%. I thought this was another poke at AA on DU. My bad....I guess I'm edgy today.

[Fred Sanders]

62. Class warfare within the Democratic Party pales in comparison to the incoming fire from the

Class represented by the GOP, who also represent most of the ones without class, but not all.

[treestar]

73. LOL you really do like division of Democrats

and flame bait. Working hard to set Democrats against each other. SMH.

[WillyT]

78. Nobody Divides Democrats Better Than Their Top Tier Players...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251703290

[JTFrog]

93. It takes a real top tier player to

talk down to African Americans and LGBTQ folks...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

A thread you should really re-visit daily. Lots of good feedback for you there.

[JoePhilly]

81. Endless OPs dividing Dems into the good ones, and ...

... the bad ones.

With the OP sitting in judgement.

[Enthusiast]

75. Kicked and recommended!

Way to go, WillyT!

[dsc]

77. about the same amount of disdain you show toward blacks (whom you can't even tell apart)

and gays.

[WillyT]

80. Are You Calling Me Racist ???

[dsc]

84. when you accuse blacks of having stockholm syndrome

and can't tell them apart, well I am not sure I am calling you that as much as looking at evidence.

[randome]

85. That's your goal isn't it? Bait someone into calling you racist so you can get a post hidden.

If that's the case, your dreams are so small, WillyT.
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[betsuni]

94. Baiting with such a small WillyT goal. Why?

Why does such negativity and hate make you happy?

[randome]

112. Who's happy about this run of disgusting posts?

I just want the OP to understand that insulting everyone who disagrees with him does no one any good.
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[betsuni]

135. No, I was asking the OP why he was happy with these disgusting posts. nt

[randome]

136. Ah. Got it. Wasn't quite sure about that.

I suppose it's validation of one's imperfect life while the rest of us simply muddle on and try to make the best of things.
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[betsuni]

137. Another case of looking at my posts and seeing they are not clear. Sigh. nt

[randome]

138. Oh, it happens to all of us from time to time.

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[BeanMusical]

117. Let's lighten the mood with good classic Heavy Metal!

[randome]

134. Come on, those upper class posers? You know they simply looked down on everyone else in 1970.

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[Cosmocat]

79. this makes no sense

maybe the "upper class" has disdain for the "lower class" ...

But, if this is bemoaning Hill v Bern, the "upper class" is only small fraction of the voters/people getting polled.

The primary issue is the stupid, which well entrenched with EVERYONE, regardless of "class."

[betsuni]

89. I never know what the hell these posts are about.

It's all nonsense. I guess we Democrats are supposed to get all riled up and angry. It just makes me sad, it's pathetic.

[brooklynite]

87. Since I appear to be a featured element of this thread...

...could someone point out the apparent disdain? The two cited posts for me mentioned my support of taxing the 1% and pointing out the Bernie Sanders' Denmark is quite the socialist utopia it's mentioned as being.

Add be quick about it; I have to get my top hat and cape from the dry-cleaners so I can evict some widows and orphans...

[WillyT]

88. LOL !!! - It Wasn't Intended That Way...

And Apparently I Have To Get My White Hood Dry-Cleaned As Well...

[JTFrog]

90. You BETTER BELIEVE IT!11!!! n/t

[randome]

91. Been a while since I saw one of those. Fitting, though.

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[JTFrog]

92. Yep, SSDD. n/t

[msanthrope]

113. I've been out of the loop....sorry...nt

[randome]

118. No problem, we'll pick up the mantle of msanthrope when necessary!

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[treestar]

107. +1

Same level of anti-Democatic shit stirring

[Bobbie Jo]

116. Careful....

I had a post hidden for using those 4 words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6829173

[Bluenorthwest]

95. Yeah, I see lots of posters who defend Reagan voters who hold LGBT and African Americans in disdain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

And of course the person who wrote that also writes of his family's political and media connections, parties with the Reagan family, cocktail time with Lobbyists, elected officials. But I don't think it is economics that causes that contempt for 'the other' so ardently expressed by that son of power and friend of even greater powers.

Any minority person can tell you that bigotry is not a function of the sum of your accounts.

[Renew Deal]

97. The wealthiest Democrats support Bernie

[artislife]

98. I think most h supporters may not be the 1%

but they are afraid of losing what they have. They see the ship approaching the Niagara Falls and think by changing captains it will help their situation.

We think jumping off the ship is the best route for us to take.

[LexVegas]

102. Rich, white Democrats support Sanders. nt

[Maedhros]

105. The defining struggle of our age is Have vs. Have Not...

...yet we continue to pretend it's Democrat vs. Republican.

[Utopian Leftist]

106. Oh what that Ronnie Raygunz hath wrought!!

If we're lucky, Bernie will get it raised back over 50 percent, where it should be.

Feelin' the Bern more strongly every day. He is an activist's once-in-a-lifetime dream-come-true of a candidate and I couldn't be prouder to support him. I say support, instead of campaign for, because Bernie's platform does not need anyone to sell it. He is the one and only, not for sale, politician in town!

His sensible, reasonable, well-thought-out platform sells itself. If he were an automobile dealership, it would be Saturn. What you see is what you get. No hidden costs, such as poverty, unemployment, new and continuing wars, the collapse of the middle class or other such horrors, possible under a Third Way Administration, and less likely under the administration of a true PROGRESSIVE! Go Bernie!

[Robbins]

109. Yep

so do many democratic voters.

[emsimon33]

129. Duh! Obama's surrogates called the base idiots.

[NonMetro]

130. Some Do, Some Don’t, And The Ones Who Don't Are Smarter

But unfortunately not any smarter than the rest of us!

[merrily]

132. The poor got the down, but they never got the trickle.

SHARPTON: We`ve been hearing this trickle-down theory since 1980. And
we've got the down. We never did get the trickle. But Krystal, the right
is angry with the focus on income inequality. But they`re also angry with
any measures that would help poor people.

http://www.today.com/id/54204403/ns/msnbc-politicsnation/t/politicsnation-monday-january/

Hell, politicians seldom even mention the poor anymore.

Who really cares if "useless eaters" can actually afford to eat?

[TheKentuckian]

133. No they have even greater disdain. TheTeaPubliKlan upper crust have more animosity though.