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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:26 PM Oct 2015

IF Joe Biden Runs, His ONLY CHANCE To Win Is To DESTROY Hillary Clinton


"...Beyond just whether Biden will run then is the question of how he will run. You may not like it but his best -- and, really, only -- option is to go after Clinton as aggressively as possible in hopes of disqualifying her in the eyes of lots of Democrats who support her now..."





Lost amid the breathless "will he or won't he" speculation about Joe Biden's presidential future is this fact: If the vice president runs, his only plausible path to victory goes right through Hillary Clinton. There is simply no math that gets Biden to the nomination -- short of Clinton dropping from the race entirely, which, sorry conspiracy theorists, ain't happening -- that doesn't involve him going aggressively negative on the former Secretary of State. None. Think about it: Biden and Clinton share the same bases of support -- establishment Democrats, the labor movement, the environmental community, minority voters -- except that Clinton has a lot more of that support. And they, largely, hold the same -- or very similar -- views on the major issues of the day. &w=1484" target="_blank">This chart, documenting the polling averages of Clinton, Biden and Bernie Sanders shows the largely zero-sum game the vice president and the secretary of state are playing.

Given that, and the fact that Biden and Clinton are totally known by Democratic primary voters, the only way that Biden goes up -- in any meaningful way -- is if Clinton goes down. It's simple. There aren't enough "establishment" voters for Clinton to stay in the 50s in polling AND for Biden to win. How do you pull voters off of a candidate who is both well known and well liked by a primary electorate? You try to make that candidate much less well liked.

For Biden, that would almost certainly mean turning the race into a choice between an authentic (if at times impolitic) politician in the vice president and a forever-triangulating and calculating one in Clinton. For Biden, that case is best made by going after Clinton on her private e-mail server, which Bernie Sanders, amazingly, gave her a total pass on during the first Democratic presidential debate last week. You cast the decision to set up the server at all -- and then to take months and months before apologizing for it -- as the politics of the past, reminding people of the things they don't want to be reminded of about the time the Clintons last ruled Washington.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/20/if-joe-biden-runs-his-only-chance-to-win-is-to-destroy-hillary-clinton/


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IF Joe Biden Runs, His ONLY CHANCE To Win Is To DESTROY Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Segami Oct 2015 OP
The good news for Biden is that she's an easy target. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #1
We'll soon know Segami Oct 2015 #5
He'll run as the "Not bad as Hillary and not as radical as Bernie" candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #6
+1 Segami Oct 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #12
How Biden wins: ram2008 Oct 2015 #2
Chris C-Sleaze hates Democrats, so no surprise he'd breathlessly posit this desire blm Oct 2015 #3
If Biden enters what does that say flamingdem Oct 2015 #4
IF he can destroy Hillary, he'll be in the fight of his life with Bernie Sheepshank Oct 2015 #8
Hell yes! TM99 Oct 2015 #9
I hope HE gets destroyed... Gloria Oct 2015 #10
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #11
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
5. We'll soon know
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:39 PM
Oct 2015

what Biden's strategy will be against Hillary should he enter the race. I doubt he will opt in as a 'baggage carrier'.......more than likely, he knows he needs to make up lost time and go straight for the jugular.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
6. He'll run as the "Not bad as Hillary and not as radical as Bernie" candidate.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

I see Hillary and Biden as two peas in a pod politically and won't vote for either of them.

Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #1)

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
2. How Biden wins:
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

1) Bernie Sanders wins NH and Iowa, destroying Hillary's inevitability

2) Obama endorses Biden right before South Carolina, shifting AA votes in Biden's favor, allowing SC to go to Biden

3) Biden announces he will pick a woman VP like Warren, neutralizing Hillary's "But I can be the first woman President" schtick

4) Profit.

Don't see any reason for him to destroy her....

blm

(114,658 posts)
3. Chris C-Sleaze hates Democrats, so no surprise he'd breathlessly posit this desire
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

of the Republicans for the Democrats to destroy each other as mercilessly as the GOP candidates just happen to be doing in their primary.

I'm no HRC fan, but, I am also not an easy mark for C-Sleaze.

Hanging your hat on his word is akin to trusting Ron Fournier.

flamingdem

(40,891 posts)
4. If Biden enters what does that say
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

about Obama's support for Hillary?

I can't buy the purely emotional reasons for Biden entering. There has to be a lot more to it and that needs to be known sooner rather than later.

It's just to strange for him to enter when Hillary could win it now.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
8. IF he can destroy Hillary, he'll be in the fight of his life with Bernie
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

They poll neck a neck in every poll i've seen.

I hope he's upto the task if he jumps in.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
10. I hope HE gets destroyed...
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

I don't want his groping, Pope worship, Anita Hill crap, Big Pharma, gaffes, TPP, plagiarism and Hamlet bullshit...
And, the GOP IS the enemy...

He should have been in earlier, well before his son got critical...if he really wanted to run...

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