2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIF Joe Biden Runs, His ONLY CHANCE To Win Is To DESTROY Hillary Clinton

Lost amid the breathless "will he or won't he" speculation about Joe Biden's presidential future is this fact: If the vice president runs, his only plausible path to victory goes right through Hillary Clinton. There is simply no math that gets Biden to the nomination -- short of Clinton dropping from the race entirely, which, sorry conspiracy theorists, ain't happening -- that doesn't involve him going aggressively negative on the former Secretary of State. None. Think about it: Biden and Clinton share the same bases of support -- establishment Democrats, the labor movement, the environmental community, minority voters -- except that Clinton has a lot more of that support. And they, largely, hold the same -- or very similar -- views on the major issues of the day. &w=1484" target="_blank">This chart, documenting the polling averages of Clinton, Biden and Bernie Sanders shows the largely zero-sum game the vice president and the secretary of state are playing.
Given that, and the fact that Biden and Clinton are totally known by Democratic primary voters, the only way that Biden goes up -- in any meaningful way -- is if Clinton goes down. It's simple. There aren't enough "establishment" voters for Clinton to stay in the 50s in polling AND for Biden to win. How do you pull voters off of a candidate who is both well known and well liked by a primary electorate? You try to make that candidate much less well liked.
For Biden, that would almost certainly mean turning the race into a choice between an authentic (if at times impolitic) politician in the vice president and a forever-triangulating and calculating one in Clinton. For Biden, that case is best made by going after Clinton on her private e-mail server, which Bernie Sanders, amazingly, gave her a total pass on during the first Democratic presidential debate last week. You cast the decision to set up the server at all -- and then to take months and months before apologizing for it -- as the politics of the past, reminding people of the things they don't want to be reminded of about the time the Clintons last ruled Washington.
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The baggage car is unmissable.
Segami
(14,923 posts)what Biden's strategy will be against Hillary should he enter the race. I doubt he will opt in as a 'baggage carrier'.......more than likely, he knows he needs to make up lost time and go straight for the jugular.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I see Hillary and Biden as two peas in a pod politically and won't vote for either of them.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #1)
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ram2008
(1,238 posts)1) Bernie Sanders wins NH and Iowa, destroying Hillary's inevitability
2) Obama endorses Biden right before South Carolina, shifting AA votes in Biden's favor, allowing SC to go to Biden
3) Biden announces he will pick a woman VP like Warren, neutralizing Hillary's "But I can be the first woman President" schtick
4) Profit.
Don't see any reason for him to destroy her....
blm
(114,658 posts)of the Republicans for the Democrats to destroy each other as mercilessly as the GOP candidates just happen to be doing in their primary.
I'm no HRC fan, but, I am also not an easy mark for C-Sleaze.
Hanging your hat on his word is akin to trusting Ron Fournier.
flamingdem
(40,891 posts)about Obama's support for Hillary?
I can't buy the purely emotional reasons for Biden entering. There has to be a lot more to it and that needs to be known sooner rather than later.
It's just to strange for him to enter when Hillary could win it now.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)They poll neck a neck in every poll i've seen.
I hope he's upto the task if he jumps in.
Run Biden, run!
This I got to see.
Gloria
(17,663 posts)I don't want his groping, Pope worship, Anita Hill crap, Big Pharma, gaffes, TPP, plagiarism and Hamlet bullshit...
And, the GOP IS the enemy...
He should have been in earlier, well before his son got critical...if he really wanted to run...