If Biden Decides To Run - He's Not Getting Off To A Good Start.....

[global1]

I hear he had to say that he actually was for the Bin Laden raid - when in the past he said he wasn't. I did hear his explanation - but the timing is such that he is saying this for political purposes now and not the altruistic way he was spinning it. That's just my opinion.

[bigdarryl]

1. Now you understand why he lost twice before he's a gaffe machine

[HerbChestnut]

2. Well apparently switching positions is the norm these days.

Didn't seem to bother Hillary at all, don't see why it'll hurt Biden.

[BootinUp]

3. This is changing stories

not switching positions.

[TM99]

6. Well Clinton survived sniper fire

in Bosnia so I think Biden will be just fine.

[BootinUp]

8. AFAIK that is an example of a story

that is only well known on the inner tubes, and thats why its not consequential.

[TM99]

9. Don't kid yourself.

Vets are very well aware of that whopper of a lie.

[SunSeeker]

12. The soldiers who were there know it was a war zone.

Tuzla, Bosnia, where Hillary was talking about being in March 1996, was in fact a war zone, under constant threat of sniper fire. It was where a recent massacre had occurred:

Between 25 May and 28 May 1995 a number of artillery projectiles were fired at Tuzla from Army of Republika Srpska positions near the village of Panjik on Mount Ozren some 25 km west of Tuzla. On 25 May 1995 (Marshall Tito's birthday and Relay of Youth in former Yugoslavia) at 20:55 hours, a shrapnel shell fired by a 130mm towed artillery piece,(no shrapnel shells were ever manufactured for the m1954) detonated in the part of the city called Kapija. There were 71 people killed and 240 wounded. All of the victims were civilians and the majority were between the ages of 18-25.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuzla_massacre

In March 1996, the humiliated UN troops were still there, to be replaced a month later by the greater firepower of the US Army.

Hillary readily acknowledged she misspoke when she said in a campaign speech that she was under fire. She should have said she was under threat of fire. Either way, she was just recounting an event from 12 years earlier based on fuzzy memory.

That is very different from what Biden did, completely changing his story stated shortly after the Bin Laden mission when he confessed he advised against the Bin Laden mission to now asserting he was for it--and trashing Hillary to boot. No class. Like they way he fed that Beau story to Dowd.

[TM99]

14. Mispoke?

Have you ever actually been in a war zone? I have. The First Lady and her daughter would never have been allowed to land and do an event on the tarmac if there was any chance of danger for them both. As there was not, they did their flower ceremony photo op. She was never in any danger. She did not 'misspeak' about it. Twelve years ago is hardly fuzzy memory territory.

You are attempting to justify and white wash her very blatant lie. Sorry it won't fly with me or others.

[SunSeeker]

15. It was a dangerous place. I imagine she was warned and decided to go anyway.

There is no disputing it was an actual war zone.

[artislife]

17. You are a loyal supporter

I bet your friends know they can rely upon you, because you are a very loyal person.

Your friends are lucky.

H, imo, doesn't deserve it but to each their own.

[TM99]

19. She was in no immediate danger which

would allow for any interpretation of her blatant lie as to be acceptable or a product of simply misspeaking.

That you would accept this at face value speaks horribly to your own character.

[SunSeeker]

20. The place was indisputably infested with snipers. It was indisputably a war zone.

It is pretty human to recall dangerous places with a bit more drama than actually occured.

The fact that you choose to attack my character over this speaks much more of your character than mine.

[TM99]

24. Your character is in question

when you rationalize a lie of this nature and magnitude.

I counsel men and women who have experienced actual trauma and combat. It is not 'pretty human' to do as you suggest she did.

[SunSeeker]

25. At worse it was an inconsequential exaggeration.

Hillary's statement that she dodged bullets as opposed to being under threat of bullets had no consequence to our country and had no impact on any decision.

[TM99]

27. Dig it deeper!

Inconsequential exaggeration? Not even close.

Of course it has consequences, as it speaks to her character. This woman wants to be our president. It may not impact yours, but it does impact others. It is one of my things that influences my decision to never ever vote for Clinton for president.

[SunSeeker]

28. No, your harping on this right wing meme speaks to your character, not hers. nt

[SunSeeker]

30. BTW, I hope you don't really "counsel" combat survivors.

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I see you are quick to resort to attacking a person's character if they disagree with you and you downplay the effects of being in a dangerous situation. That sort of judgmental response is not very constructive in any setting, but especially not in a psychological counseling setting for PTSD.

[snooper2]

18. dude she flat out lied LOL

Really, that is the spin you are going with


"just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles"

[SunSeeker]

21. I am sure they were looking out for snipers.

The place was infested with snipers. It was a war zone. As I note above, US forces had to be sent there one month after Hillary's visit to finally calm the place down. When you are in a dangerous place, you tend to remember it with more drama than actually occurred.

[snooper2]

22. Hi little girl, you see any snipers around here! Keep your eyes on the lookout!

[SunSeeker]

23. Little girls like that died in that war. She had nowhere else to go.

She had to live there. She had no choice but to live in a war zone.

Pathetic that you find that funny.

But I guess you have a right wing meme you need to perpetuate, so laugh on.

[TM99]

26. Fucking ridiculous.

Yes, she had no choice but to be trotted out on a tarmac to meet some woman from some country way over there who she could care less about during a time of war!

[SunSeeker]

29. It is your argument that is "fucking ridiculous."

Just because that little girl was there does not mean that tarmac was safe.

[HerbChestnut]

7. A lot of the time it ends up being the same thing.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Well, there's certainly one person who can let everyone know who is honest and who is 'mistaken'.

President Obama can come forward and provide clarity as to who said what to him.

[SunSeeker]

16. Obama already said Biden opposed it, in a debate with Romney IIRC.

The fact the Biden advised against the raid was widely reported by numerous sources, including Biden.

Alas, it is all for nought, since he is not running.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Peter Bergen , who is regarded as an expert across the board, interviewed everybody in the room...

Peter Bergen , who is regarded as an expert across the board, interviewed everybody in the room and the consensus was that after giving a lawyerly disquisition on the pluses and minuses of the raid Hillary unequivocally sided with those who favored it.

[SunSeeker]

10. I lost respect for him when he fed that Beau story to Dowd. nt

[DURHAM D]

11. Same here. Creepy, just creepy,

making up a story about your recently deceased son so you can go plant a story to gain attention.

[DCBob]

13. I like Joe but I dont think it makes sense for him to run..

unless Hillary has a fit and self destructs on Thursday... which I seriously doubt will happen.