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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:18 PM Aug 2012

I think Romney has crossed the point of no return on taxes...

He can't release 'em now. If he does, he'll be seen as extremely weak, regardless of what's on those returns. He has committed, maybe even stupidly, to hiding 'em and Ann's recent comments that the campaign won't release the taxes only solidifies my view. They'll take the hit. They'll take the rumors. But they're not going to release 'em. I think they realize if they give in to pressure, it will make them look even more weak than they already do. They're going to dig their heels in on this issue and hope it doesn't ruin 'em.

I think either way they're fucked. But we'll see.

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I think Romney has crossed the point of no return on taxes... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 OP
Absolutely Inuca Aug 2012 #1
I disagree with you about when the line was crossed davidpdx Aug 2012 #18
The "prove you paid youer taxes for ten years" meme will not die and easy death. Lint Head Aug 2012 #2
It will keep resurfacing... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #3
Yes, so it remains to be seen how to keep this issue alive so it doesn't get boring and "old." enough Aug 2012 #4
Absolutely BlueStreak Aug 2012 #12
he wants to decide your tax rate; still refuses to show his. magical thyme Aug 2012 #20
You're right. Lasher Aug 2012 #5
fortunately for them the demands to release their taxes have disappeared nt msongs Aug 2012 #6
I doubt it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #7
For the nonce maxsolomon Aug 2012 #9
It's to be expected there would be a break in this line of attack... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #10
I think Romney didn't pay any federal income taxes for a decade, just like Reid says. Lasher Aug 2012 #14
Just wait until they release Ryan's taxes and it will start again. grantcart Aug 2012 #21
How big were some Wellstone ruled Aug 2012 #8
I think we crossed that point before the Olympics started. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #11
Yeah...Romney's made a stand and cannot go back Sheepshank Aug 2012 #13
I hope they're fucked..... lastlib Aug 2012 #15
The only way he'd get to be prez is if there was some fraud successfully perpetrated ailsagirl Aug 2012 #16
You know you've reached the point of no return dsteve01 Aug 2012 #17
As it gets closer to the convention we need to keep hitting them on the issue davidpdx Aug 2012 #19

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
1. Absolutely
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

I actually think he crossed a while back already. For whatever reason, he decided that he will not do it. End of story (or so he wishes).

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. I disagree with you about when the line was crossed
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:34 AM
Aug 2012

I think Ann Romney coming out and saying it can be seen as where the line was crossed. Either way they are officially fucked.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
2. The "prove you paid youer taxes for ten years" meme will not die and easy death.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

They say you can't prove a negative but to prove something is positively true or untrue is easy.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
3. It will keep resurfacing...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

Like herpes. They'll think it's gone, but nope - it'll just flare up again!

enough

(13,766 posts)
4. Yes, so it remains to be seen how to keep this issue alive so it doesn't get boring and "old."
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

This is probably why we're not hearing about it so much at the moment. Obama's campaign doesn't want to wear it out. I hope it comes roaring back in at an opportune moment.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
12. Absolutely
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:25 PM
Aug 2012

There is no way Romney releases anything now. We're in the last 90 days. In fact, the only exposure he wants to have to ANY questions is the 3 debates. other than that, he'll be in tightly controlled campaign events and softball sessions on Faux.

That's the bad news. The good news is that he will be a sitting duck if there are any bombshells regarding his tax fraud schemes or other financial affairs.

There are basically two ways to get something out now in a way the MSM will pay attention:

1) a whistle blower coming forward

2) leaks

In the latter case, there are various ways to do this. Assuming that the Obama campaign has the goods on Romney's taxes, they don't have to leak the official documents. Instead they can simply put into circulation a one-page summary that excerpts the key points. That is better than releasing tons of papers anyway because it would sharpen the focus.

Given something like that, the press would have to confront Romney, "Governor Romney, we have received a document that says xxxx. can you categorically say that these numbers are false?"

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
20. he wants to decide your tax rate; still refuses to show his.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:28 AM
Aug 2012

hmmph...one sentence soundbite.

It will disappear whenever a new meme of the moment rises up. But it's always lurking, waiting for its moment to re-appear.

It won't wear out; events won't allow that. It was offstage while the Olympics and European disaster tour led. Reappeared briefly. Back offstage with Ryan announcement and the Medicare wars. Reappeared briefly with HRH Empress Ann brought it up. Will leave the stage temporarily again with the attempted swiftboating of Obama, which will again bring foreign policy front and center. Every time Mitten's tries to take control of the narrative and flops, there is a new temporary meme (and a new Mittens fail, lol). Taxes will just re-appear in between now.

Lasher

(29,605 posts)
5. You're right.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:34 PM
Aug 2012

He is hiding immoral behavior that would turn voters against him if they were to know of it.

maxsolomon

(38,910 posts)
9. For the nonce
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

There's a long way to go, and Reid didn't fire that shot without a mapped-out plan and plenty of cannonballs at the ready. I bet he knows that Ann & Willard DID pay federal taxes, but if they were to release and show a rate of 5 -10% (see, we paid lots more than 0%!), that's enough to cause outrage among the teaproles and independent flibberdigibbets.

Next Reid (or another surrogate) makes another easily disproven accusation (that is, easily disproven if the returns are released). It doesn't matter if it's true, Willard can't disprove it at this point. Keep him defensive, on his heels, keep him swatting flies. It's what Rove would do, and did do, to Gore and Kerry.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. It's to be expected there would be a break in this line of attack...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:15 PM
Aug 2012

Romney picking Ryan was going to suck up all the air for a week or two and so will the Republican & Democratic Conventions. But once we're back on solid ground, the issue will arise again.

Lasher

(29,605 posts)
14. I think Romney didn't pay any federal income taxes for a decade, just like Reid says.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

Recall Romney's wordsmithing? He's never denied that he went for 10 years without paying any federal income taxes. He just says he's always paid taxes. That could be payroll or sales taxes, etc.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. I think we crossed that point before the Olympics started.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:17 PM
Aug 2012

Other than that, I agree completely.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. Yeah...Romney's made a stand and cannot go back
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:32 PM
Aug 2012

I can't for the life of me imagine that Reid doesn't have a "cradle to grave" plan in mind for the 10 year tax issue.

The sly ol' fox knows what he is doing and has a contingency for several scenarios, including the scenario we are seeing right this very moment. I suppose I've been sitting on the edge of my seat wondering when the next installment is going to be released. I also suppose Reid is waiting for an opportune moment...like when the Ryan love fest dies down a little. I would like to see this new be front and center.

lastlib

(28,377 posts)
15. I hope they're fucked.....
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

I hope every voter remembers on his/her way into the voting booth that Mittens wouldn't disclose what he earned/paid in taxes and what he made his money on, and think that he must be hiding something that probably would disqualify him from being a president without serious conflicts of interest, and thus not worthy of his/her vote--and pull the lever for Obama. I hope they're truly and deeply fucked--so they can see how it feels to be part of the 99% in this country.

ailsagirl

(24,287 posts)
16. The only way he'd get to be prez is if there was some fraud successfully perpetrated
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:05 PM
Aug 2012

That's what worries me. Damn their hides!! Before 2000, I don't believe we had a problem with anyone "tinkering" with the numbers. Now that it's started...

dsteve01

(312 posts)
17. You know you've reached the point of no return
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:07 AM
Aug 2012

when you can no longer see light. That means you have passed the threshold of the event horizon of a black hole.

Until Mitt Romney gets sucked passed the event horizon of political cluster (your screwed-ness), I'm going to bring up his taxes at every possible turn.

You know. Add mass to in effort for the sun to break down into a supernova and bring forth the black hole.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. As it gets closer to the convention we need to keep hitting them on the issue
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:35 AM
Aug 2012

Ryan (to my knowledge) still hasn't released his. Both of them think they are above the rest of us.

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