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philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:47 PM Oct 2015

Can we agree that its over?

Secretary Clinton looked masterful today. Cool, calm and collected in face the insanity unwinding all around her.

She has a 30 point lead that is expanding.

Vice President Biden has to decided to forgo a run. His donors are rapidly moving to Secretary Clinton.

What is Senator Sanders path to victory? He has none. Democrats now know who the field is, and have demonstrated in every poll, resoundingly, that Secretary Clinton is their choice for the Democratic Party nominee.


Senator Sanders tried hard, but has hit his high water mark. After the first debate, and today's performance, Secretary Clinton has flung aside the last barriers to her nomination.

A great day indeed.

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Can we agree that its over? (Original Post) philosslayer Oct 2015 OP
Well, Gowdy has not hit on her yet...hate riversedge Oct 2015 #1
Say what is over? 99Forever Oct 2015 #2
I think some want to ride Benghazi right into a coronation. djean111 Oct 2015 #3
Really... artislife Oct 2015 #32
Turn out the lights the coronation's over? virtualobserver Oct 2015 #6
I think we agree SwampG8r Oct 2015 #4
I don't believe that. Puglover Oct 2015 #16
Hillary always looks great when her opponents are bumbling idiots. It'll be short-lived. arcane1 Oct 2015 #5
Sanders has us and we ain't going nowhere as the Rev. William Barber would say. mmonk Oct 2015 #7
No we should not declare it is over upaloopa Oct 2015 #8
Ha!! HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #9
Tell me what changes between now and then? philosslayer Oct 2015 #11
Since he has between 37 and 41 percent in Iowa... Fawke Em Oct 2015 #14
You mean like President Santorum (2012 winner)... philosslayer Oct 2015 #19
Anything can happen in politics BainsBane Oct 2015 #18
I have no idea what will happen, and neither does anybody else. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #23
nope ibegurpard Oct 2015 #10
His path is in the millions who are done playing by the old rules whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #12
It is not even close to over. Marrah_G Oct 2015 #13
It ain't over till it's over. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #15
The GOP Benghazi farce is over, yes BainsBane Oct 2015 #17
You can agree to anything you want. senz Oct 2015 #20
Well the fat lady isnt singing just yet.. DCBob Oct 2015 #21
No. I'm sure you'd like to believe a calm demeanor in a room full of raving loons winter is coming Oct 2015 #22
That would be convenient, wouldn't it? Avalux Oct 2015 #24
Ant the result is , while nothing will get worse, nothing will get better under a corporatist presid Hoppy Oct 2015 #25
It's over - we're witnessing the five stages of grief taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #26
Hillary's voters would be unwise to hope "it's over" at this point DJ13 Oct 2015 #27
Holy shit this is a dumb post. Joe the Revelator Oct 2015 #28
We CAN Puglover Oct 2015 #29
No jfern Oct 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #31
She hasn't gotten my vote yet. JRLeft Oct 2015 #33
It is not over Fred75 Oct 2015 #34
Run by women! Gasp. FSogol Oct 2015 #36
I really don't have a dog in this fight Codeine Oct 2015 #38
Did everyone vote already? Did I sleep though all the debates, caucuses, and primaries? FSogol Oct 2015 #35
No, I wouldn't agree that it's over. cwydro Oct 2015 #37
Meh. Shit can happen. Way too early to call it Codeine Oct 2015 #39
can we agree that we still live in a marginally functional democracy? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #40
Clinton will probably win, but I hope she screws up and Bernie wins. Vattel Oct 2015 #41
What's the point of saying it's over TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #42
The Benghazi investigation? Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #43
In a word, no. (eom) mak3cats Oct 2015 #44
ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Sure She Held Her Own Extremely Well, BUT ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #45
Ready to "cancel" all the primaries, are you? John Poet Oct 2015 #46

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
16. I don't believe that.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:15 PM
Oct 2015

However I do believe there is a very good chance she will lose to Trump.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. Hillary always looks great when her opponents are bumbling idiots. It'll be short-lived.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:53 PM
Oct 2015

It's not even close to over. Go back to October 2007 and see how well the predictions went

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. No we should not declare it is over
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

We have much to gain by hearing about the issues that divide us and the right.
I only wish we could stop making up shit about Hillary.
A legitimate policy difference of opinion is not what I am talking about.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
11. Tell me what changes between now and then?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

What does Bernie Sanders do to get above 25%? He's hit his high water mark.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
14. Since he has between 37 and 41 percent in Iowa...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

I'd say your measuring stick needs to be re-calibrated.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
19. You mean like President Santorum (2012 winner)...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:19 PM
Oct 2015

And President Huckabee (2008 winner)??

Iowa means next to nothing. Look at ANY national poll. It's a runaway train gaining steam.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
18. Anything can happen in politics
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:19 PM
Oct 2015

and I say that as a Clinton supporter. She certainly wouldn't say it's over. Time and time against she has said she needs to EARN every single vote. I don't believe this sort of statement at all helpful or in keeping with her campaign strategy.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
23. I have no idea what will happen, and neither does anybody else.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:27 PM
Oct 2015

Except maybe Dr. Who. But 3 months is a long time in the American political world, and I doubt that the Clinton campaign is going to sit back and declare themselves the winner tonight.

ibegurpard

(17,081 posts)
10. nope
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

February is still over 4 months away. If that's your attitude then just stay out of it and wait.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
12. His path is in the millions who are done playing by the old rules
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:07 PM
Oct 2015

Keep flapping those establishment lips... and brace yourself.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
17. The GOP Benghazi farce is over, yes
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:16 PM
Oct 2015

The primary contest is not over until people actually vote. I think it very important to keep that in mind. Polls are not votes. They are a snapshot of public opinion at a given period in time. It is the delegate count that will determine the election.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
22. No. I'm sure you'd like to believe a calm demeanor in a room full of raving loons
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:25 PM
Oct 2015

makes her past decisions forgettable or her recent evolutions more credible, but it doesn't. If anything, it makes her even more unacceptable, because today is a reminder of what her Presidency would be: nothing but her dodging poo from the howler monkeys.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
24. That would be convenient, wouldn't it?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:28 PM
Oct 2015

Unfortunately, our democracy cannot afford the convenience of a bought-and-paid for candidate who will do nothing to change the trajectory of our country (down the drain).

It's not over.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
25. Ant the result is , while nothing will get worse, nothing will get better under a corporatist presid
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:32 PM
Oct 2015

In other words , we're fucked again.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
26. It's over - we're witnessing the five stages of grief
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

many Sander's supporters are exhibiting denial or anger. Acceptance will come after super tuesday.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
27. Hillary's voters would be unwise to hope "it's over" at this point
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:48 PM
Oct 2015

She has been milking sympathy support out of the Benghazi hearings, end that now and she will have to start defending her proposed policies to an electorate that isnt real happy with the current state of our political structure.

Bernie and O'Malley would finally have a solid target to aim at.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
28. Holy shit this is a dumb post.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

Really. Did you honestly think people were going to agree with this? NOBODY HAS VOTED YET. Geez.

Response to philosslayer (Original post)

Fred75

(22 posts)
34. It is not over
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:49 PM
Oct 2015

The DNC, which is run by women that support HRC, are doing everything they can to make
HRC look like she is ahead. We have a year to go, and with Bernie's absolutely flawless
record, he will be the winner. His grassroots campaign will continue to grow.

Fred75

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. I really don't have a dog in this fight
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:34 PM
Oct 2015

(by the time things swing around to California - you know, that super-important state - the nominee has already been determined) but I'm really curious as to why you stressed "women that support HRC"? Does their gender bug you?

FSogol

(47,623 posts)
35. Did everyone vote already? Did I sleep though all the debates, caucuses, and primaries?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:26 PM
Oct 2015


File under: "unclear on the concept of elections and Democracy"
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
37. No, I wouldn't agree that it's over.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:30 PM
Oct 2015

Not at all.

But I have to say that today's hearing has raised my respect for Hillary immensely.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
39. Meh. Shit can happen. Way too early to call it
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015

though Team Sanders has an uphill climb. Perhaps their enthusiasm and energy will prove decisive.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
40. can we agree that we still live in a marginally functional democracy?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:41 PM
Oct 2015

how 'bout waiting till people, you know, vote first?

mkay?

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
42. What's the point of saying it's over
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:49 PM
Oct 2015

Do you want to cancel the few debates we have left?

Do you want HRC to sail in without anyone other than the GOP to challenge her?

Do you remember the 2008 election?

From her Wikipedia profile:

'By September 2007, polling in the first six states holding Democratic contests showed that Clinton was leading in all of them, with the races being closest in Iowa and South Carolina. By the following month, national polls showed Clinton far ahead of Democratic competitors.[263] At the end of October, Clinton suffered a rare poor debate performance against Obama, Edwards, and her other opponents.[264][265] Obama's message of change began to resonate with the Democratic electorate better than Clinton's message of experience.[266] The race tightened considerably, especially in the early states of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, with Clinton losing her lead in some polls by December.

It's ridiculous to say it's over with another 3 months until the Iowa caucuses.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
45. ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Sure She Held Her Own Extremely Well, BUT
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:46 PM
Oct 2015

if there's ONE thing I take away from this fiasco is that I'VE HAD ENOUGH! The hate her, they'll NEVER stop and I WILL NOT vote for 4 or 8 more years of this crap! This country has so much work to do, so much rebuilding and so much mending, so electing her is to elect more of the same!

My support of Bernie is stronger than ever! I will give her enormous credit for what she's had to go through, but MY LIFE doesn't need any more of this kind of HATE AND DESTRUCTION!

Other countries are laughing at us and wondering what in the hell has happened to us. I know this from personal one on one talks with people I know IN other countries. And if THIS country does this again I'd say we're just too stupid to know when to quit!

NO, NOPE, NOT, NADA, NEVER... add your own.


 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
46. Ready to "cancel" all the primaries, are you?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

This is the kind of OP that just burns me up against all Hillary supporters....

Wanting it "over" before the process is even begun, seems like a Rethuglican way of doing things...

The primary race should go on,
all the way to California in June,
as far as I'm concerned.

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