FACT: We can only have social justice, OR economic justice. Never both!

[MannyGoldstein]

FACT: You can only fight for social justice, OR economic justice. Never both!

Therefore, logic tells us that if you ever fight for economic justice, you are GIVING UP on social justice; you are a Third Way Progressive, negotiating with people's lives!!!

FACT: Bernie Sanders often talks about economic justice! He does not deny this!

FACT: Bernie Sanders supporters support Bernie Sanders and eat babies.

Therefore, logic tells us that all Bernie Sanders supporters are Third Way Progressives.

Q.E.D, baby!

It's time for people to WAKE THE @#$& UP and vote tor the Democratic Presidential candidate who's a LIFELONG FIGHTER for social justice since 2013.

[Autumn]

1. Fact.

[Uncle Joe]

2. Kicked recommended for people that can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Fact: that cannot be done

If you walk, you hate gum.

[marym625]

81. and if you chew gum,

You hate immigrants and minorities. #Fact

#DidIMentionImAWomanKota

[daleanime]

105. Thank you DU....

before this election, I never understood how evil I am. Wanting to actually improve people's lives, what was I thinking?



Just in case it's necessary.

[marym625]

113. silly you!!!

You only want to improve people's lives so YOU can get money! We all know this! Improving people's lives is really just economic just! Why? Why, you ask? Reagan! Damn it!

Vote smart. Vote vagina!

[daleanime]

116. It's getting very hard to listen....

to some of the talk with a straight face.

Don't let them get to you! Have a great night!

[merrily]

126. "Vote smart! Vote vagina!" LOL!

[beam me up scottie]

3. !

[arcane1]

5. Funny, isn't it, how the common denominator of "justice" is so often overlooked. n/t

[bravenak]

6. Reagan made it so!!! Now we must focus on equality so that all can recieve fair shares!!!!

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Fact: your post is incoherent. nt

[bravenak]

26. Lol.

[emulatorloo]

27. Yes, Manny-Facts are very truthy. It is one of the things I admire about you.

Your OP's are very very consistent and coherent. I really understand you and appreciate you, Manny.

[rhett o rick]

15. 16 million American children live in poverty. Many of them are of color.

If Black Lives really Matter, why back a candidate that shows zero interest in fighting to solve poverty? The middle class can't afford to fix the poverty problem and that's HRC's solution. She won't tax her friends and backers in the 1%. She will allow them to keep looting the 99% while she says she cares about us.

Once we lose economic justice all else will be lost, esp. our democracy.

[bravenak]

29. Because of this post.

You want me to subordinate my equality for a few crumbs. You get a piece of pie, I get the crusts. Why should I join that revolution?

[senz]

31. If the pie's made right, the crust is the best part.

My mom used to put leftover crust dough on a cookie sheet and bake it next to the pie. Sometimes she'd put sugar and cinnamon on it first. We'd eat it warm from the oven. It was better than anything.

[bravenak]

92. I don't like the crusts. I like the sweet potato filling.

[senz]

94. Um hm. And what you like is what matters.

There's just nothing else.

[bravenak]

98. You just want me satisfied with crusts while you get the filling.

[senz]

99. Oh yeah that's got to be it.

[bravenak]

101. I guess you were just trying to show me that the crust is better!!! You should like it!!! Lol, senz.

I see you, lol. (Think Avatar)

[SMC22307]

39. What else you gonna do?

Vote Hillary? Yeah, that'll be a big ol' decadent slice for you. Privatized SS and God knows what they have in store for Medicare? Choke on that, suckers! I mean, bon appétit!

[bravenak]

50. Watch the revolution die.

[BeanMusical]

51. "Watch the revolution die."

You are such an optimist.

[Major Hogwash]

74. How many times does someone have to call Bernie's supporters racist?

Until it sounds like a broken record?

[BeanMusical]

91. It already does. They've been doing it for months.

[hifiguy]

109. Since two days before he announced.

So false, so tiresome.

[bravenak]

96. Well Major. There are racists in every group.

But when the group who is doing the bothering is mostly white progressives, and the group recieving the bothering are mostly blacks and women, people will tend to discuss motivations and latent tendencies.

What I have noticed is this: at one point only republicans found solace in thier positions by calling the left race baiters, now I get called race baiter, as do most of my black friends on this board and it is never by a Hillary supporter.

Those who belong to the group that constantly calls us black posters racist, racebaiters, race naggers, stockholm syndrome victims... Are also rude to us, mean, insulting, condescending, one called me shit eater yesterday. That is what I saw the entire time I was gone and still. None of them have any problem with their people calling me, a black woman racist, but they are all up in arms over the idea that they are being called racist. Funny that. When people start telling me that us blacks are the real racists and they the enlightened souls, I run. Run far away from supporting the same platform as they. When they trashed blm, I ran ran ran, but first I warned. I said, 'this will make you LOOK racist.' So they called me racist.

If people spent more time correcting their own peers rather than trying to force the rest of us to ignore their behaiviour and attitudes to focus on policy, this accusation of racism would be ended long time ago.

[Major Hogwash]

147. On every forum, too.

And some of them are not white.

[bravenak]

148. Rarely. Living in this nation anyway.

Many will choose to focus on one or two oddballs from a group while ignoring the masses in their own group.

[Major Hogwash]

149. Wrong. When I graduated from high school, the President was Richard M Nixon.

When you graduated from high school, the President was the guy that is still in the White House, President Obama.
Racism comes in many forms, and in many colors.
It is not just something done by white people.

To boil the issue of racism down to just white people being racist to black people, the way you are doing here, is far too simplistic.

[bravenak]

150. I graduated long before that. Actually I am a high school drop out.

I had to quit to pay rent when my step dad killed himself.

Racism in America.. Is that mainly a problem oppressing whites or blacks?

[bravenak]

88. NEVER!!! Things will always be like this. Never project your own internal ideology onto a politician

[WorseBeforeBetter]

80. Then what?

Your lot in life won't be improved, so... then what?

[bravenak]

87. My lot is fine. I have no issues with upward mobility for myself.

I am privileged with a good education and a way with people. I am not interested in being wealthy just being creative and learning and exploring new things.

I could do without the racism tho. Money? I know how to make that. I don't need anyones crumbs or benefits.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

124. What, specifically, are your ideas of "crumbs" or "benefits"?

What about upward mobility for others, especially those at the lowest rungs? I see it every day at work: patients in low-wage jobs with no health insurance, or on Medicaid. No college education, and no hopes of sending their kids to college. Beater cars, or taking 2-3 buses to get to the hospital, and given cab fare and/or bus vouchers to get home. The idea of retirement is foreign to them. And if Wall Street ("Cut it out, guys!&quot gets its grubby paws on Social Security, they're massively screwed.

Too many Americans are living this way -- their lot in life is not "fine." #economicjustice

[bravenak]

125. Those at the lowest rungs are those who recieve the crumbs.

The ones whose ethnic name keeps them unemployed, those who are pulked over and tocketed ten time as much as others because of their skin color, those who have to disrupt events to get the problem of police murdering them noticed, those who attended innercity schools and are not prepared for college. I do not try in school. I get a's just for half as bullshitting. Others are not so lucky.

Everything you describe is terrible, but if you are black, it adds a layer of intolerance and fear and frustration to your life that those who do not live in your skin cannot see. So they play oppression olympics with you knowing that they would never trade being in the same circumstances with a black in those circumstances.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

128. So the social safety net is "crumbs"?

Medicaid, taxpayer-subsidized Obamacare, food stamps, etc.? I want #economicjustice for those folks, and based on the conversations I have with them, they want it too. Some are pretty complacent, though, beaten down, accepting it as their lot in life. Jobs, a living wage, affordable healthcare, and reasonable college tuition are good starts. (It'll be interesting to see what happens next year when the $695 penalty for not having health insurance kicks in...)

What sort of "ethnic" names are you referring to? Over the years I've worked with folks with all sorts of "ethnic" names -- Govind, Fernando, Siobhan, Aliyah, Huan...

A's in bullshitting -- targeting a career in sales, marketing, and/or punditry?

Who is "they" playing oppression Olympics with you?

[bravenak]

129. Names Like D'Marcus, LaChristian, Queandre, LaTisha.

Not all of us are on welfare. Yes. Welfare is crumbs we deserve the same opportunities to not be on welfare, not told welfare is our only chance at survival. Bernie did not invent the social safety net nor did he implement it. He also cannot single handedly improve it, nor can he get any of his increases to taxes to fund more social welfare pass congress.

My point is that none of this addresses institutional racism, just offers welfare as a solution and we don't want that solution. We want equal pay between blacks and whites, men and women. We want equality, not promises of wefare and free college and free whatever, we want equal opportunities and the racism addressed.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

134. Enh, but for "Queandre," the names aren't all that unusual.

Then again, my working years have been spent in the DC area and NC. Lots of AAs. Employed AAs.

Way to state the obvious about Bernie not inventing or implementing the social safety net. And in a nod to BOGers, "He's not a dictator! He doesn't have a magic wand!" So, yeah, no one expects him to improve it single-handedly. Nor Hillary or O'Malley, for that matter.

Hillary's paying lip service to a lot of things now, but not a damn thing will improve for the unwashed masses with her in office. And if she wins, I *can't wait* to see what damaging policies will put into place, only 20 years later to hear "oh well, who knew?!" Wall Street's got their sights on SS and Medicare, and Hillary's just the candidate to deliver.

If all you're hearing from Bernie is "welfare and free college and free whatever," then you're not listening.

[bravenak]

135. Bernie is not saying anything that moves me. I am to his left. On most everything.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

137. Is that so? Haven't you claimed to be open to Sanders' ideas...

until his big ol' meanie useless white supremacist liberal supporters turned you off? I mean, that's a pretty ridiculous reason not to support a candidate -- anonymous online posters -- but whatever floats your boat.

[bravenak]

138. Exactly. Showing them to be rightwing on race.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

139. LOL, good luck with that.

You won't get very far, except at the disgruntled Camp Weathervane site (I *finally* understand what an emoprog is!), and with a vocal minority at DU.

[bravenak]

140. I think Hillary will just win. The schadenfreude will be enough for me.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

141. And the feeling when you realize not a damn thing has improved...

for AAs under an Hillary administration, despite all the lip service, Kimye selfies, Thx Boxes, and Katy Perry intros? What's the German word for that?

[bravenak]

142. Will not happen since I know that the same would happen under Bernie.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

144. Relying on Candidate A's outcomes to base opinion of Candidate B?

That's bizarre reasoning.

[bravenak]

145. I rely on the fact that congress will pass nothing. Republicans have the majority.

Clinton is not making big promises, Sanders is. He gives no means or methods for the passage of any of his agenda. He says, a Revolution. Pfft! Who is going to be this army? The 25% voting for him? Who is going to tak to the streets and what is that going to do? Get republicans to pass socialist policies?
No.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

146. Clinton talks out of both sides of her mouth...

and the damaging Third Way Clintonian juggernaut needs to be stopped.

[rhett o rick]

56. No one is suggesting that. I am asking you to join a revolution against those that

have created the problem of poverty and homelessness. To join with them is certainly not going to help. You can't have your revolution with the help of a Goldman-Sachs sponsored president. The powers that be want to see a majority of minorities in prison and they have done a good job. We need change from that. If we continue to allow the corporations to control our government, they won't solve the problems of racism, sexism, homophopia, etc., they will continue to get worse. We need democracy to have a chance.

There are two sides to this class war and the 1% side will not help you. Don't believe their promises.

[noiretextatique]

73. What "equality?" We don't have Social OR Economic justice NOW

This argument simply does not make sense. As wise people have said, including Malcom X and MLK: you cannot acheive social justice without economic justice, and vice versa. Some black people are also poor, and poor people are targetted more by the criminal justice system than people who are not poor. Does anything I've written negate the need for social/racial justice? No.

[stupidicus]

76. indeed, they are inextricably intertwined, and given that genius is not required to see that

you have to question the quality of intellect or integrity of those who'd challenge it.

[bravenak]

89. We get none of that through Bernie. None.

He knows he cannot pass jack in this congress and I know millions in the street, if people even take to the streets, will just invigorate republicans. And I do not appreciate the harassment and nasty letters to me home from self described fans of his. That killed it for me.

I do not see a welcoming environment with which to build a sustainable coalition. He lacks that. Lacks charisma. On policy he's fine, though to my right.

I am a SJ over EJ type in response to all of the EJ over SJ in his ranks. They made me reflect on what is important to me. Money? Or equality? Because with equality the benefits will come. With a few money crumbs tossed my way, I'll know I have just been bribed out of fighting for my fair share. I will not join a fight in which white men get the lion share of the nenefits and the rest of us 'others' get a black portion, or a woman's portion, or a native americans portion. I want the same he gets or they can fight that by themselves. Why should I help him increase his wealth way more than he's helping mine?

[MannyGoldstein]

95. What, in your opinion, were Hillary's greatest political victories?

Just the top three should be enough, thanks.

[bravenak]

97. No thanks!

[MannyGoldstein]

100. Okay.

Sounds like the path to victory for sure.

[bravenak]

102. She has already won.

[MannyGoldstein]

103. You just can't tell me *what* she's won

Got it.

[bravenak]

104. The Democratic Nomination.

[MannyGoldstein]

106. So, to sum up your case,

Hillary's only major victory ever has already happened a year from now.

That helps me to understand most of your posts, here and at HillaryClintonSupporters.com.

[bravenak]

107. Bernie lost this Summer.

3. It’s generational. Sanders, undoubtedly, draws enormous political and fundraising energy from the voting bloc every candidate wants: under-30 millennials. And yet, from what we’ve established, it’s been mostly young white progressives giving him that Bern boost, crowds of whom pack Sanders rallies or actively troll social media to thrash detractors. Some have observed that this is problematic.

Apparently, this is one of a few tactical reasons behind Team Sanders’ frantic embrace of BLM. It’s also recognition that maybe the optics of too many aggressive white millennials’ public bashing of “disagreeable” black activists is not the best look once you hit heavily black Democratic stronghold states like South Carolina and Georgia. The current logic follows that with black activists now talking to—rather than crashing through—the Sanders campaign, black millennials should be just as ginned up about Sanders as white millennials, a notion fueled by a general perception that all black voters must be down with the cause.

(this is from the Root, a black publication)

The winner of the black vote usually wins the nom. She is up with whites, blacks, women, all groups who vote consistantly in the primaries. Millennials like myself, are not always as dedicated. Sanders is too dour to win the black vote. Hillary just has a thingy with repugs that made her look GREAT. Bernie's chance was this summer, he did not get enough support to beat her. He has plateaued.

[MannyGoldstein]

111. Why can't anyone tell me what Hillary's greatest

triumphs were?

[bravenak]

115. We don't need to. She won.

[MannyGoldstein]

119. Oy gevalt. nt

[bravenak]

121. Scary huh?

[BeanMusical]

123. Well she dodged bullets from snipers in Bosnia.

Oh wait, you mean political triumphs. Err... Hum... I'll get back to you as soon as I can find something.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. It's all "trickle down", don't you know that?

You can't fight poverty without taking from those just above poverty.

That's how it works.

BTW: Did you see this?



A nice bottle of 1982 Château Lafite-Rothschild and it's only $34,034.00+$307.00 shipping.

https://awcfinewine.com/products/189133/chateau-lafite-rothschild-1982-1-x-600cl/

Just the thing for the chilly nights ahead....

[reformist2]

7. Did you know that Hillary was widened her lead over Bernie in South Dakota, 72% to 18%?

[MannyGoldstein]

10. She can have South Dakota

Heck, Wall Street's probably given the Clintons more money than the net worth of South Dakota. She could buy the thing, and rename it DidIMentionImAWomankota.

[reformist2]

13. I think the idea of returning to a landlocked state in flyover country is her worst nightmare, LOL

[PatrickforO]

19. Interesting that the politicians call these places 'flyover' country.

Generations of people have made their lives in places like the Dakotas. For the politicos to glibly refer to their homes as 'flyover' country seems...I don't know...disrespectful in some fundamental way.

We do that, though. I've got a colleague, and was talking about the general and pervasive ignorance of the American people. I said something like, "You're living in a trailer park, you don't know that."

I got called on the carpet with one sentence: He replied, "I used to live in a trailer park, and I know that."

My point - if more of those we elect saw us as real people instead of 'votes' - if they could try and empathize with the day to day struggles, and not pretend for political mileage, maybe it would be better.

Sorry for the rant...

[senz]

32. She can't have the Black Hills of South Dakota

There are some things money can't buy. And she's not one of them.

[kath]

40. "DidIMentionImAWomankota"! BWAH!!

[FlatBaroque]

57. #DidIMentionImAWomankota

[Autumn]

60. Needs a # Manny. You are missing a golden opportunity there

#DidIMentionImAWomankota .

[marym625]

82. #DidIMentionImAWomanKota

Like Lee Camp tweeted during the debate

#Hillary just said she would ONLY be different from #Obama because vagina. #CNN #CNNDebate ()

Lee Camp

[Autumn]

86. I love that!! As a woman I may have to learn how to twitter.

Because #DidIMentionImAWoman?

[marym625]

110. Twitter is easy as pie!

A saying I understand because #DidIMentionImAWomanKota?

And, of course, #Vagina!

I truly wish there was a woman running that was worth voting for. It should be time for a female President. Hell, it is long past time. But not one woman that would make a great President, is running. And there are more than a few out there that would be great.

[Autumn]

122. Yeah Elizabeth Warren would be my choice.

I would love to see a woman president, it's well past time for one.

[marym625]

143. An Elizabeth Warren Barbara Lee ticket would rock my world

[Fred Sanders]

8. Not only Republicans are grumpy cats!

[rhett o rick]

18. The 50 million Americans living in poverty are probably a little grumpy and not

looking forward to another 8 years of Goldman-Sachs looting our economy.

[Phlem]

84. They just don't get it.

Literally.

Impossible to compute that there are others out there hanging on by a thread or have let go.

It's futile to make any type of sense with them.

For some fucking reason the letter R is worse than death and while I may agree, there is actual death going on right now with a D!

Rather this reality than one with an R!

Talk about taking a stand from the weakest point possible.

Hint: this reality still sucks.

[Enthusiast]

90. It really really sucks.

[PatrickforO]

20. LOL, nope you've got that right.

My wife calls me the 'grumpy bear.'

[Hydra]

9. Funny how 3rd way talks about how you have to fight for justice

When they never seem to get around to it themselves...

[sadoldgirl]

12. Multitasking is from now on strictly verboten!

Forget Obabma's claim that a president has to
be able to do more than one thing at a time.

NO MORE OF THAT KIND OF THINKING!

[opiate69]

14. Jury Results

On Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

FACT: We can only have social justice, OR economic justice. Never both!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251717796

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Can we stop with the Hillary is a "witch" meme, even if it's a joke Manny isn't using it like that. This is divisive and is an act against democrats. Stop it. I hate having to come on DU and defend Hillary from being called a witch every damn day. It isn't even Halloween yet.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:08 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Deducing "Hillary is a witch" from this takes some doing. I had to read it several times and the best I can come up with is yeah, maybe, if you lean out and squint.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think alerter is misinterpreting who is being "called" a witch. I think OP is trying to point out Bernie has been labeled as not caring about social justice and the clip is making fun of those people who try to prove it. They are wanting to see things in a certain way that they may be missing a bit of logic in coming to their conclusions.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I understand and sympathize with the alerter's overall point, but I don't think this post is a strong example. Must vote to leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This fellow is terribly mistaken.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Takes a stunning lack of comprehension to think MAnny is calling Hillary a witch... context, folks..
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. I was guessing 2-5

But didn't see that (bull@#%) reason coming.

Very creative!

[PatrickforO]

24. Geez. I can't believe that post was even alerted.

It's so...innocuous. Just a little humor.

[Fuddnik]

30. I can.

Some people remind me of some commies I was loosely associated with back in the early '70s. They were called the Progressive Labor Party, and were an offshoot of the old SDS. To them there was no problem in the world, other than racism. Nothing else could be discussed.

Of course racism is a huge problem in the world. So is income inequality, and education, and healthcare. And different people have different priorities that tend to reflect their station in life.

Don't expect my top priority to be your top priority, just because you say so.

I saw some starting again today, and just started putting them on ignore. I'm tired of their disruptions and thread hijacking.

Life is much nicer now.

Now, what's this about a witch?

[BeanMusical]

37. Nothing wrong with witches.

[beam me up scottie]

38. Or songs about them.

[BeanMusical]

41. I love that song!

[beam me up scottie]

42. Me too, it puts the groove in groovy.

[SMC22307]

45. Always makes me think of "To Die For"...

great song (and ending)!

[beam me up scottie]

46. I've never seen it.

Have to put it on the list.

[Oilwellian]

47. That picture moves while standing still

I'm pretty sure a witch is doing that.

[beam me up scottie]

48. Are you calling me a witch?

I resemble that remark!

[hifiguy]

112. Pass whatever you're tokin' over here.

As we used to say in the Seventies, "don't Bogart that joint!"

[merrily]

53. Donovan-under Six Degrees of Separation (of merrily).

Donovan is the father of Ione Skye, former wife of Beastie Boys front man, Adam Horowitz, aka Ad Rock, whom I've met through a relative who was in the Young and the Useless with Adam, but decided to finish high school rather than go on tour with the Beastie Boys when they started opening for Madonna.

&list=PL3AD4453FE7B650AC

In fairness, the Young and Useless were about 15 at this time. (Despite the comments at youtube, the late lamented MCA was a member of the Beastie Boys, but not a member of the Young and Useless.)

[Mnpaul]

58. Donovan did Billion Dollar Babies with Alice Cooper

Once he figured out his approach, “I went in and sang this piercing falsetto and sang, ‘Biiillllion dollllar babbbbieeeees.’ I can do things with my voice like that,” Donovan continued. “Alice said, ‘That’s it, man. Let’s record.’ I think I did about half the vocals on that song. I have met Alice again over the years. It was really extraordinary to be a part of that song. ‘Billion Dollar Babies’ went to No. 1. I also did the talking part on the song: ‘We go dancing nightly in the attic.’ It was all like a horror movie; it was all tongue-in-cheek. I love Gothic mysteries. It has that spookiness.”

As Cooper fans know, Donovan could have been just one of many guest stars on the album, if not for some ill-advised indulgences. “Harry Nilsson was there, although [producer] Bob Ezrin had to kick him out of the studio a couple of times for falling onto the control board and moving all the dials,” laughed bassist Dennis Dunaway. “I must say, though, that even when Nilsson could barely walk he could still sing beautifully. And Keith Moon was there, along with Marc Bolan, Ric Grech of Blind Faith, and [former Turtles] Flo and Eddie. There’s actually a tape of a jam session we all did, but as far as the music goes, it didn’t come together.”
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/donovan-alice-cooper/

you can go six degrees in every direction with that one

[beam me up scottie]

118. Awesome!

Thanks for that!

[merrily]

127. I don't always know multi-millionaire celebrities, but when I do, I shall be obnoxious about it!.

Adam is funny as all get out, too (whatever the hell all get out means).

[beam me up scottie]

130. Makes me want to have a beer!

But a Magic Hat not a Dos Equis.

[merrily]

131. Drinking alcohol gives me a headache. So...

[beam me up scottie]

132. How about this?:

[merrily]

133. Fine, but I was also perfectly fine doing a spit take with the beer.

I am nothing if not adaptable!

[Baitball Blogger]

64. That video moves even when it's on pause!

[beam me up scottie]

120. I got vertigo just posting the link!

[Bluenorthwest]

59. Everything was good about Elizabeth Montgomery, Grand Marshall with Dick Sargent of LA Gay Pride

Parade in the year 1992 when it meant so very much. She was a vocal opponent of the Vietnam war when she was Samantha and in 1988 provided narration for a documentary 'Coverup: Behind the Iran Contra Affair' and in 1992 for 'The Panama Deception' which won the Academy Award.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105089/


She was a great woman. Also, she could act.

[Autumn]

66. Years ago there was a poster who used her in his sig line. He was one of the

best posters ever, as soon as I got on I would look for his posts. He was a treasure. He and Pitt did one of the best thread ever. Confessional Booth I still think of him and his "Oh my gay stars".

[BeanMusical]

85. +1

[WorseBeforeBetter]

136. How interesting, I had no idea.

I always *just* thought of her as Samantha. And Lizzie Borden.

[Autumn]

61. If Manny posts an OP odds are very high it will be alerted and if the jury alert fails then

very often an SOP alert is sent. You can look at almost any thread of his OPs and find a jury alert on his OP. I remember when an alert was sent on Manny calling him a pr**k .

[Bobbie Jo]

67. Juror comments are sometimes equally vicious. nt

[Autumn]

68. Yes they are I was guilty of that myself

I feel absolutely no shame over it either, so try something else. I had some groups trashed for a reason, and to be called for jury duty in those groups caused me to lose my temper. But I've never referred to someone as a pr**k in an alert for CS or SOPs just to get an OP that I didn't like or a poster I didn't like hidden and I do take pride in that

[Bobbie Jo]

69. Sure, I understand the difference

Jurors just assume anonymity, I suppose, and feel free to "speak their mind" because they think no one can see them.

SOP alerts, on the other hand, have names attached. Nothing to hide behind here, pretty bold... you're right.

[99Forever]

65. Believe it.

Alert stalking is in full bloom on this board. Speak out honestly and you too will become a target.


Can't be having free-thinking actual progressives saying truthie things that reflect badly on the CorpoDems of the establishment.

[hifiguy]

114. So much this^^^

[azurnoir]

36. I thought the " It isn't even Halloween yet." part made it special

[beam me up scottie]

17. Oh please.

What a pathetic attempt to convince a jury that up is down.

[opiate69]

21. Sadly, it wasn't a shut-out... (I was not the lone dissenter, BTW)

Someone almost lost button privileges.

[rhett o rick]

23. I like that picture a lot. nm

[beam me up scottie]

25. LOL!

I knew you weren't juror #5!

[Oilwellian]

49. Love it but it could use a little more spittle :) n/t

[hifiguy]

117. Stimpy is ALWAYS good.

Happy, happy, happy! Joy, joy, joy!

[Maedhros]

151. DU MADNESS! [n/t]

[rhett o rick]

22. When one doesn't have anything of substance, they alert and hope for a friendly jury

to shut down the discussion.

[BeanMusical]

35. What a stupid alert.

[neverforget]

43. Alerted because of the Monty Python witch bit?

[Armstead]

28. You cant have either one

Nyah, nyah,nyah

[delrem]

33. How else can one attain social justice,

if one doesn't give economic injustice a free hand?

I support a system that's equally unjust for everyone who is economically disadvantaged, and to that end I work to ensure that the economically disadvantaged remain that way by further disempowering them, whoever they might be, whatever sex, ethnicity, physical characteristics. Being an advocate for social justice I think the economic elite ought to have total power to abuse all of their inferiors in all ways equally - and I'm totally against sparing this group or that because that kind of favoritism would be wrong.

[stillwaiting]

54. It has to be both or we get neither.

Wealthy limousine liberals that try their best to persuade us otherwise are special people. Special people indeed.

[MannyGoldstein]

55. Tell it to your Volvo mechanic, mister

Unlike you people, I'm anti-slavery

Regards,

TWM

[BeanMusical]

34. Lol! Fact: Good imitation of the "style" of a certain someone.

[Cassiopeia]

44. Bwa.........HaHaHaHaHaHa...

Thanks Manny.

Bernie 1/20/17!

[tblue]

52. I heart you, Manny

Thanks. I needed the chuckle.

[NuclearDem]

62. I'm loving the new StrawManny persona.

It's quite entertaining watching the majority opinion claim victimhood in a way so detached from reality.

[JoePhilly]

72. "new" ??

[restorefreedom]

63. how can i not rec a mp clip?

and lets remember, real witches are a force for good in this world unlike the fantasy "witches" that exist in fundy imaginations.

[MisterP]

70. that line of argument's always baffled me

sure there's one or two Old Left mummies who say that race and sex issues are mere epiphenomena and will vanish along with church and state come the glorious Red Millennium

but the 3Wayers have never been at the forefront of any social issues; sometimes they even refuse to vote for it once it passes 57% in the polls; Rahm Emanuel isn't that great for race and Harold Ford was hardly a shining star on LGBT or women's issues

[sulphurdunn]

75. When a tiny fraction of the population

controls the levers of power to increase their wealth by far more each year than anything they produce of value, you better focus on economic justice or you won't need worry about social justice.

[eppur_se_muova]

77. Hmmmm ... are those live babies ? If not, why all the fuss ? nt

[WillyT]

78. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[rhett o rick]

79. Sort of like, "You can only have Freedom or a TV." Hard choice. Excuse me, Dancing with the

Stars(?) is on.

[SoapBox]

83. "We oughta have one of these every year!"

https://m.

[zeemike]

93. Good luck with that WAKE THE @#$& UP stuff

You can't wake people up who have been hypnotized by the sparkle things shown to them in the media.

And they control the minds of many and those who are not controlled by it are controlled with fear of things like being called a CTer or racist, homophobic, misogynist, or the appropriate label they will slap on you the moment you step out of the narrative they believe in.

WAKE THE @#$& UP is what we need to do alright, but first you have to overcome the fear of social pressure that will surly come when you do.

[hifiguy]

108. Another classic.