2016 Postmortem
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liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Just the YouTube or liveleaks
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Got rid of the tube almost a decade ago and never missed it. When I see the crap that my friends and neighbors watch, I feel ill. The internet provides more than enough coverage of what's important.
jfern
(5,204 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)it was great.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)It would have been like watching the trial of Socrates or Jesus before the Sanhedrin. I was waiting to see Hillary say "It is done" and descend to Heaven to be with the Father. As it is she has more work to do for us here on earth.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)The sane world already knew it was a farce for multiple years now. Then the Republicans came out and admitted it in advance of the proceedings. Hillary could have spent the time playing candi crush on her phone and she would have been the winner of it.
I do have to give her credit for the fortitude of spending 11 hours in front of Gowdy and not strangling him on live tv.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,022 posts)I didn't watch it, and Hillary's success has not changed my mind for whom I'm supporting, working, and voting. I agree with Bernie in the issues.
napi21
(45,806 posts)obscenities at my TV! I don't know if the Pubs on that commitee were TPers or just "normal Pubs" but I HOPE the rest of the Pub party members in DC, AND everyone who claims to be a PUB are completely ashamed of what those idiots did.
glinda
(14,807 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Total kabuki.
A smelly red herring.
LET'S JUST NOT DISCUSS THE ETHICS OF US WARS OF CHOICE, OK!
ok. jeez, don't chop my head off.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)That "gotcha" stuff gets old fast.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Watch it? Not a chance. Summaries are plentiful, no need to waste my time.
Demit
(11,238 posts)There are summaries. No need to form your own impressions!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Suffering through 11 hours of hearings and bickering among politicians on a subject that's been beaten to death does not equate to reading books, attending worthwhile movies and live performances, and forming one's own impressions. I think you're very well aware of that, and your unnecessary snark does not go unnoticed.
Demit
(11,238 posts)It wasn't snark, actually. I'm pointing out that you are ready to adopt other people's impressionseven if something purports to be a dry recitation of facts it's going to include or be framed by the writer's impressionsrather than form your own firsthand. I'm sorry, that is a very valid point.
The subject of Benghazi might seem to have been beaten to death but this Trey Goudy & Co treatment was a whole new approach to the material. I saw it live, and it was riveting, and I think it will be referred to in, and form a context for, a lot of what happens in future. Be dismissive if you like, but people who saw it will have the firsthand memory of it. You'll have the reviews.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Summaries do include video clips, by the way, and are not at all the same thing as "reviews." Now if you'll please excuse me, I have no more time for banter with you, but by all means, feel free to continue with someone who has.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)No interest.
reddread
(6,896 posts)wouldnt touch the truth with a ten foot pole
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts). . . is that it had NOTHING to do with improving the lives of the middle class and the poor. Their only takeaway was usually how "Presidential" Hillary looked.
In other words, it had nothing to do in explaining to the American people what ANY Presidential candidate would do if in office to fix our horrible problems.
So Americans are justified in not bothering to waste their time in ogling trash politics.
But way back in another corridor in another room, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren fought an unpublicized uncontentous battle all afternoon to help 3.5 million poor in Puerto Rico from being ripped off by vulture fund organizations. You see, that's what authentic people like THAT do - they have only one thing on their agendas: helping the people. They don't a spotlight; only a place to work. That's why Warren and Sanders became Senators. And that's why Bernie is now running for President - it's never about him, it's about the people he's trying to help and the people he wants to get engaged to help him. And he has got one helluva plan - in speech and in writing - in mind to do it.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It was theater. As were the debates.
Hillary's a celebrity actress.
Bernie is a statesman.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)He's probably been fixated on it since he was a kid. It's all about him and a lot of his followers view him as some kind of religious figure. Weird.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)but Bernie only entered the race because there was only Hillary 'running' when he announced. He asked a lot of people if he should run and sort of asked the Internet, too. He got a lot of feedback to run, so he did.
If Bernie was fixated on it since he was a kid, he would be rich like Hillary about now, and would have sold himself to the highest bidder. And, we all know he hasn't.
Z
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm thrilled that we have a politician who is willing to take on such widespread corruption.
I won't apologize for being excited about a candidate who will actually serve "We The People" and not corporations.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)I'm voting for the democrat, not the plutocrat.
FEEL THE BERN!
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)Smh. You have some imagination!
djean111
(14,255 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)enough for an answer.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Response to DrBulldog (Reply #20)
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zentrum
(9,865 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... I would shove a watermelon up my ass.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am glad Hillary kicked some punk Republican asses, though. It had to be done. And not just for her viability as a candidate, but for the Democratic Party. So, yes I think she did good.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But even if I did, I understand that these hearings were utter bullshit.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)My son was visiting from the opposite side of the country and we had to sit down and play some serious mutliplayer Minecraft together.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I never paid attention to Benghazi because I knew it was Republican bullshit, per usual.
This whole thing is so stupid. There were scores of attacks on American diplomats and consulates when Bush was president. No Republican ever blamed Bush or Rumsfeld for those incidents.
This whole thing is as stupid as "The War on Christmas."
This whole debacle never affected my opinion of Hillary. I didn't care because I knew it was bunk. There are plenty of criticisms of Hillary that are fact-based and rooted in truth. Her corporatism. Her biggest donors being Citibank and Goldman Sachs. Her warmongering. Her taking money from the For-profit prison system, etc.
I didn't judge her negatively when Republicans created this farce and I don't judge her positively for how she behaved during the televised political circus.
The Benghazi accusations --or these farcical hearings--have nothing to do with her stances, her policies, her votes or what kind of President she would be.
It's all moot.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Glad to see the prevailing school of thought that it was a ridiculous circus that she weathered well.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Naa, it was missed on purpose.
murielm99
(30,765 posts)Of course, I had other things to do, and could not see all of it.
I will never understand people who express boredom when it comes to keeping up with current events. I feel sorry for them. I feel more sorry when they vote and express that ignorance in the voting booth.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I'm curious, do you feel that you learned anything about current events from watching?
The day before the hearing I would've said that the whole thing was a partisan political witch hunt, with no merit on the substance, with the principal purpose of hurting Clinton and with the secondary purpose of burnishing the RWNJ credentials of Republicans on the panel. Based on what I've read, that's still what I'd be saying today even if I'd sat through every minute, taking careful notes.
At various times on Thursday, I read posts on DU, read things elsewhere on the web, and read some articles in an old-fashioned print newspaper. I spent much less than 11 hours doing such things, but my guess is that I learned a lot more about current events than I would have from this hearing.
murielm99
(30,765 posts)I get the feeling that expressing boredom with the hearing is the latest meme from the Bernie camp. Since Hillary acquitted herself well and came off as Presidential, the Bernistas have to express boredom with the whole thing.
Have fun.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I knew Hillary would present herself very, very well. It was a foregone conclusion. I believe strongly that Hillary is VERY intelligent, and I believe that Hillary is VERY capable at defending herself against the idiots in the GOP. NONE of that has anything to do with my opinion of how she will wield this intelligent and capable demeanor if elected President. She's fierce. But, I don't believe she will wield that fierceness to help average Americans if it comes at the expense of the investor class. She won't ask for them to give up anything. In fact, she will help their riches grow and income and wealth inequality will widen even further (in my opinion).
And, of course, I will vote for her in the G.E. if I must. But, I won't be able to rally votes for her very effectively. Especially since all of my friends and family know how much I don't trust HRC. THAT is an unfortunate fact since I have always been active (and effective) at rallying votes for the Democratic candidate.
murielm99
(30,765 posts)Investor class. Third way. All the rest of it. You guys must be wearing a groove in your keyboards.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)The lack of care is simply stunning.
If you REALLY don't care that the investor class has scooped up such a huge part of the wealth and income pie over the past 3 to 4 decades, it is a DAMN shame that we share the same political party.
Words, words, words. You're a peach.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)the Benghazi hearing was. I don't call that expressing boredom. I call that paying attention to issues that affect average Americans.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You seem to insinuate that those in "the Bernie camp" (and, by the way, I have not endorsed him) have been relentlessly denouncing Hillary for her treason in the matter of Benghazi, but that only now, routed by her magnificent performance, the "Bernistas" have had to slink away and pretend not to be bothered by Benghazi.
If that is the feeling you've been formed, you must have been reading a whole bunch of threads that I skipped. In all the uninhibited, robust and wide-open debate on DU, Clinton has been criticized on many grounds, but she has not been denounced for misconduct concerning Benghazi. For that, you would have to go to the right-wing sites (where, as a compensation, you will at least find no criticism of her support for an imperialistic war of choice). There have probably been a few DU posters taking up the right-wing theme, but they have been "the miserable merchants of unwanted ideas; their wares remain unsold." As a group they have had no effect except to give MIRT a little target practice.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Saw a few clips the next day, but that's about it.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Newspapers are not about the news.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Then decided that I lost 10 minutes of my life on political crap.
sakabatou
(42,176 posts)Lunabell
(6,111 posts)But I love the out takes. HRC rocked!
bvf
(6,604 posts)Anyone expecting to see a Clinton meltdown or any semblance of brain activity in Gowdy and his ilk was bound to be disappointed from the get-go.
Good for Clinton, but, as some have pointed out elsewhere, it wasn't much of a challenge beyond the requisite Sitzfleisch.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I almost just added in to my insta trash word list, but simply trashing threads one at a time hasn't been too annoying.
moabfan
(48 posts)I hope this is the last we ever hear about Benghazi.
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yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)to take a hot shower.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But I do care about congressional hearings. Think we need to know the truth about such situations.
But the BenGhazi hearings have been excessive.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
PDittie
(8,322 posts)But not so much while it was happening. Did follow the Twitter hashtag #FreeHillary in the evening.
I knew there weren't going to be any gotchas and suspected that the Republicans would flail, but their futility and complete lack of self-awareness at how much damage they do to themselves always exceeds my expectations.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Nothing but theater.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I don't plan on watching the 24/7 non-stop hearings that will ensue should Hillary buy her way into the WH either.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)It was like when I was a kid and a group of hippy punchers attacked Billy Jack and he handed all them their asses... It was a Ronda Rousey worthy performance by Hillary Clinton.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)NOTHING about the real issue re Libya, and knew I wouldn't because they are all on the same side, except for a very few, when it comes to our Imperial Wars.
Seemed more like a show than what we should really be talking about.
Politicians NOT talking about what concerns the American people is what I saw so turned it off, no one else in the house was interested.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)MineralMan
(146,333 posts)spend all day on it. If I hadn't had to work, though, I'd have watched the whole thing. It's important stuff, and will have a decided impact on the primary elections. Not being interested in such things is not an option for me, and I'm surprised that some seem to be proud of not caring. That's very puzzling to me.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I could have told you weeks ago that these sorts of hearings can only end with the Republicans being made to look like the assholes they are.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)This play was an excellent production designed to distract the American people from the Secretary's criminal pursuit of bombing and destabilization of Libya on behals of her sponsors.
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Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)Trey Gowdy is a rancid little turd. Had no interest in ruining my day.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Appears like it was all political theater anyway. And it apparently came off just as planned. Clinton appeared "presidential" and her tormenters looked like a bunch of ignorant spiteful fools. Everybody played their parts perfectly.
And everybody won except the voters.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if there was no there there, it was a waste of time and voters will have long forgotten when they vote in their primary. plenty of time to remind people of bernie message
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)The State Department covered for the CIA. Everybody involved knows this. It's a complete non-issue. It's utterly meaningless. That's why our oligarchs, their water carriers, and the corporate media love to drone on and on and on about it. We can root for our opposing teams to score "points" as if we were watching a sporting event while they keep rigging the game in their favor without our so much as noticing.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I didn't watch at all.
I have seen a few manufactured controversies against the Clintons previously play; I assumed this would progress about the same -- just billed as an updated version. Same for the contrived e-mail controversy.
Sam
demwing
(16,916 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)moabfan
(48 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)to see if Hillary was as great as I kept hearing. If challenging the motives and methods of republicans were a priority before it got so personal, I might have found it more compelling. All she really did was stand up for herself the way anyone should.
I just kept thinking that it's too bad she reserved her passion for her self interest as opposed to advocating for the people who have been so badly hurt by welfare "reform." Or challenging the war mongering motives of the Bush admin.
azmom
(5,208 posts)turned it off and watched The Shinning on Netflix.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,049 posts)It went pretty well, but wish I had nailed it as well as Clinton did.