A FIGHTER and a WINNER; Hillary's 3 Greatest Victories:

[MannyGoldstein]

Damned if I know what they are. Why do folks keep refusing to remind me of them? I showered and shaved today, used deodorant, the works, why do they flee from me?

Please! What are her three greatest triumphs (for working Americans)?

[RobertEarl]

1. She's rich as hell!

She works hard in public service getting rich as hell!

She kept Bill from making a total fool of himself!!

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Notice I qualified it

for working Americans.

[RobertEarl]

4. Woops, my bad

She's milked us good?

Other than that I got nothing. And I've been watching her or years. There was a time that I might have even voted for her, and will if somehow she gets the nom.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Jury results:

I kid, I kid, but you know it's coming.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. I know, I know.

1-6 is my guess.

[merrily]

20. LOL! I'm on it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7284978

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=720050

[beam me up scottie]

22. Let's try to guess what the alert stalkers will use for a reason...

"I'm tired of logging into DU and seeing Third Way Manny implying that Hillary doesn't shower, shave or wear deodorant. Please hide."

[merrily]

30. What? "Quit raining on our damned parade" isn't good enough for you, now?

Picky, picky, picky.

[beam me up scottie]

31. They should just admit it's rec envy.

Let's shut this down before anyone else recs it!

[merrily]

33. I'm trying, I'm trying!

I shall alert, citing as my reason "MannyGoldstein's OP's are fun." Let the jury argue with that!

[beam me up scottie]

37. Call him a Bernie Bro too!

That thread rendered their latest slur impotent and they're still smarting over it.

[bravenak]

5. Has a diverse staff and promotes minorities to positions of prominence.

Thereby providing good role models for the children and adults within those diverse communities. Her record on hiring women is good. Her record on hiring black women is good. Her speeches on women's rights are historical in their significance, especially those made during time and places of repressed human rights for women.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Puzzling evidence

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/leadership-team

I'm sure that there's a really good explanation. There always is.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. .

[bravenak]

57. I was reffering to her senate and campaign staff and surrogates.

[MannyGoldstein]

59. The Clinton Foundation is more permanent

Interesting, no?

I guess that's how she rolls.

[bravenak]

61. The Clinton foundation notwithstanding, she promotes poc to positions of prominence.

How many Black Women has Bernie promoted and campaigned for? Hillary shows up to campaign and endorse black politicians. How many has Bernie endorsed and campaigned for? She wins this one.

[MannyGoldstein]

64. IIRC, Sanders endorsed Jesse Jackson. Did Hillary?

And that's without even checking his record.

Hillary lobbied Congress hard to put loads of black people in jail, she's a huge fan of attacking people with our military leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths for zero reason, and she seems to not be comfortable with black people taking roles in her foundation - she's much more comfortable with them for "outward facing" roles.

I get that you're cool with that. But I'm not, I hope that you'll respect that.

[bravenak]

65. One man? Did he campaign for Sheila Jackson Lee or any black congressional members?

[Fawke Em]

80. Estrogen...

Yeah, stop that shit.

[bravenak]

101. I do not take orders.

You seem very angry. Perhaps avoiding me might help?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. Being first lady

that's 1. Ho hum...

[wyldwolf]

7. Carly Fiorina asked the same question last month.

Carly Fiorina dared Democrats to name it. 20 top Dems accepted the challenge

‘The SCHIP program … which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children’
By Anita Dunn, Democratic political strategist.

After universal health care failed in 1994, the Clinton Administration was reluctant to go anywhere near healthcare again—Democrats lost the Senate and the House in 1994, and losing the house was for the first time in 40 years. Then-First Lady Hilary Clinton ended up being the White House ally and inside player who worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch to create the SCHIP program in Clinton's second term, which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children. She has other accomplishments but this one made a huge difference, and came at a time when politically the Administration was cutting deals with Newt Gingrich on the budget and not necessarily all that enthusiastic about revisiting health care.

‘The Pediatric Research Equity Act’
By Chris Dodd, former U.S. Senator for Connecticut, Democratic party.

Having worked with her in the Senate and on the HELP Committee, the first thing that came to mind was her authorship of the Pediatric Research Equity Act. This law requires drug companies to study their products in children. The Act is responsible for changing the drug labeling of hundreds of drugs with important information about safety and dosing of drugs for children. It has improved the health of millions of children who take medications to treat diseases ranging from HIV to epilepsy to asthma. Millions of kids are in better shape and alive because of the law Senator Clinton authored.


‘I’ve seen, first-hand, her exceptional work at every level’
By Patrick Leahy, U.S. Senator for Vermont, Democratic party.

She was at the center of securing help for New York’s 9/11 first responders. We worked together in enacting the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which was the first bill signed into law by President Obama.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157?o=1

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Start with 1. Wan't SCHIP Ted Kennedy's program?

IIRC, Hillary's sole act in it was to (allegedly) persuade her husband not to veto the thing. Is that not correct?

[wyldwolf]

13. Quote from the Kennedy office:

"The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue," Kennedy told The Associated Press.



http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

Despite disparagement from political rivals, we find she deserves ample credit for expanding children's health insurance.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. Sounds like it agrees precisely with what I wrote.

She kept Bill Clinton from killing SCHIP. That's a glorious victory? Was Bill such a monster that it required incredible effort to keep him from keeping poor kids - many made poor by the Clinton's war on welfare - from getting basic health care?

And you coun't that as her greatest victory?

[wyldwolf]

16. Was securing millions more for the program not an accomplishment?

Was getting credit for it from Kennedy not proof of it?

[MannyGoldstein]

21. "Not letting Bill @#$& it up"

is a bit different than doing the heavy lifting.

The number one accomplishment you can cite is not letting Bill @#$& something up. OK then.

[wyldwolf]

25. So you disagree with Ted Kennedy?

I mean, now any answer anyone gives in response to your OP can just be written off by you simply saying 'I disagree.'

-----------------------------

Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP
Despite disparagement from political rivals, we find she deserves ample credit for expanding children's health insurance.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[MannyGoldstein]

26. "ample credit" is a lot different than "generally responsible"

A publisher deserves ample credit for creating a nice-looking book, but that's not the same as writing it.

Again, I'm blown away the the best thing you can come up with, after all of these years of her being a fighter and a winner, is stopping her husband from vetoing a bill. Not to mention that her husband would consider vetoing the thing!

[wyldwolf]

28. Again, you're writing off a reply because you disagree - this time with Ted Kennedy.

Where is a 'generally responsible' qualifier in your OP?

-----------------------------

Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP
Despite disparagement from political rivals, we find she deserves ample credit for expanding children's health insurance.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[MannyGoldstein]

34. I don't disagree with him, e.g.,

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=full

[wyldwolf]

35. the link you just provided is shot down by FactCheck

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[MannyGoldstein]

38. No. nt

[wyldwolf]

39. you've run out of gas in this discussion.

Moreover, Hillary Clinton took a major role in translating the new law into action. The program leaves to the states the job of setting up coverage and getting children enrolled, a task that continues to be a struggle to this day. In February 1999, after 47 states had set up SCHIP programs, the Clintons launched a drive to "Insure Kids Now." Hillary took the lead, speaking first before her husband in an East Room event at the White House.

Hillary Clinton, Feb. 23, 1999: At least half of all uninsured children are eligible for federal-state health insurance programs, but too often their parents don’t know or don’t believe they qualify. As successful, for example, as Medicaid has been, an estimated 4 million eligible children are still not enrolled.

In April that year the first lady gave a speech saying nearly 1 million children had been enrolled during the previous year, but that increasing the figure was "one of the highest priorities" of her husband’s administration. She said the president would seek $1 billion to fund a five-year "outreach" effort, with a goal of increasing enrollment to 5 million by 2000. Our conclusion: Clinton is right on this one.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[MannyGoldstein]

43. SCHIP is an outreach effort to help poor families

know what's available?

One of us is badly misinformed.

[wyldwolf]

46. helping poor families isn't an accomplishment?

One of us is badly misinformed.

It's Manny vs. Reality.

[MannyGoldstein]

50. Whoosh!

Damn goalposts almost hit my head.

You used the outreach stuff in an attempt to demonstrate that Hillary was largely responsible for SCHIP. Which is silly.

[wyldwolf]

52. Ted Kennedy and Factcheck vs. Manny

[MannyGoldstein]

54. There's zero disagreement between those three entities.

Read carefully.

[wyldwolf]

55. There's disagreement between you and the other two.

[MannyGoldstein]

62. Nope.

Everyone (except perhaps you) agrees that Hillary's role in SCHIP was to keep Bill Clinton from vetoing health care for poor kids, many of them put into poverty by Hillary's and Bill's war on welfare.

[wyldwolf]

63. yup

Everyone (except perhaps you) agrees that Hillary's role in SCHIP was crucial and was an important accomplishment.

[moabfan]

66. Here Manny, you'll need this..

Slap a Bernie Sanders logo, and you're set.

[MannyGoldstein]

81. Thanks, I could use it

MOAB Fan?

[SidDithers]

105. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[merrily]

40. Let's look at the context and date on that quote, though.

(Yes, I know, that's why you gave the link.)

She was running for President, the first time she was the inevitable nominee, and claiming credit and Orrin Hatch said she did not deserve credit, so Kennedy's office issued a statement in rebuttal, likely upon her request of hers or the request of someone connected to her..

"Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children’s health program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue."

[wyldwolf]

41. that's your conjecture - and wild stab at that.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[merrily]

47. Nothing I stated as a fact was conjecture. Where the word "likely," is used, I am not stating facts,

duh.

[wyldwolf]

49. yup, conjecture

so Kennedy's office issued a statement in rebuttal, likely upon her request of hers or the request of someone connected to her..

[merrily]

68. Yes, duh, exactly as I said and as the word says--and all the rest of my post was fact.

It's hysterical that you think you caught me in the act of using the word "likely" to mean exactly what it is supposed to mean.

[wyldwolf]

88. the conclusion you reached was conjecture.

[merrily]

89. It wasn't the conclusion but whatever. The post was fine. Anyone who reads it can see that.

Have a day.

[wyldwolf]

91. It was definitely conjecture

[merrily]

92. Bandwidth.

[wyldwolf]

93. conjecture

[merrily]

95. See Reply 68. Thanks.

[wyldwolf]

98. Which is conjecture

[FlatBaroque]

8. 1. She created a lot of jobs for

weapons manufacturers.
2. She created a lot of jobs in construction in Libya
3. She inspired millions of Latino Americans to leave their home and follow their dream in the US.

Shall I go on????

[hifiguy]

19. Don't forget the undertakers.

[FlatBaroque]

24. hifiguy

we are always of one mind.

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. And casket makers. Tombstone makers. n/t

[dsc]

9. At the State Department she

was the first member of the Obama Administration to extend benefits to the spouses of gay employees (in 2009 before SCOTUS struck down DOMA). She literally saved the lives of gays in Uganda by getting Uganda to ditch its death penalty for gays. She restored the US image after Bush's destruction of it.

[merrily]

42. Whether she restored the image of the US is highly debatable, as is whether she was the only reason

Uganda ditched the death penalty for gays. I will take the State Department policy (instituted after her first run for President had failed and she had received criticism from gays during her first primary campaign). Meanwhile, though, at that time, she was still on record as opposing equal marriage, where she remained until 2013, well after Obama had come out publicly in favor of it.

[dsc]

45. so was the administration she worked for

and once she became Secretary of State she couldn't take positions opposed to his on the issues of the day. In point of fact, she really couldn't take positions at all. It took her less than 100 days after leaving that office to announce her support for marriage equality.

[merrily]

48. Sorry, but did you actually read my post? Esp. the part with "well after"

[dsc]

53. Secretaries of state don't take positions on the issues of the day

Go ahead tell me what Madeline Albright's opinion was on SChip or any other issue from her times as Secretary of State. Or Colin Powell's position on Bush's tax cuts or No Child Left Behind. Or Condelisa Rice's position on privatizing Social Security or immigration.

[merrily]

58. She wasn't Secretary of State until 2009. Even as Secretary of State, she could have

made a "statement," without issuing a public statement, like attending the marriage of a same gender couple and quietly making sure it was reported. Something similar, but lower key, to what LBJ did when he escorted an African American woman to a party at country club that was discriminating.

Damned amazing how many excuses get made for the Clintons, as though they are help victims.

[dsc]

70. so she should have used her friends to make a statement?

And then people would say she was exploiting her friends. BTW I would be willing to bet she attended at least one such wedding during that time.

[merrily]

96. Exploited her friends? Poster, please.

[dsc]

99. really you think the anti Clinton brigade wouldn't have said that

really?

[merrily]

100. Please.

Besides, it is not all about her.

[Autumn]

17. (for working Americans)? Damn all I got is First Lady, loved the dress she wore to

Bills inaugural ball, United States Senator, Secretary of State. But in all reality it could be said that those things made her a working American. She's made a shit load of money giving speeches and that's a hard job for a few minutes.

[hifiguy]

18. She was "dead broke" when Bubba left the WH

and now she's worth $22 million. That's about $1.5 million for each of the last 15 years. Quite an accomplishment, if you wish to call it that. Everyone should be so "lucky."

Feathering your nest by what amounts to a promise of influence peddling in the future is apparently extremely lucrative.

Manny!

[merrily]

29. Yeah, I think it's a lot more than 22 million. Her 2008 financial disclosure

showed combined income for her and Bill for ONE year at over $100 million. Please don't tell me it all went to charity. I'll buy (maybe) that it went to a trust for Chelsea and her kids, but not that it all went to charity.

[MannyGoldstein]

32. There's been articles about this

They've had tons more income then is reflected in their net worth, and nobody but them can figure out where it went.

[dsc]

36. that is total bullshit

they didn't make 100 million in one year. That is totally, completely and utterly false.

[merrily]

44. Really? Prove it.

[dsc]

51. Here is the link

I hope to get an actual answer to it. The last seven times I have provided a link, after they were demanded I got no answer at all. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/hillary-clinton-tax-returns/

[merrily]

56. I think I asked you for a link maybe once before this?

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/05/the-arkansas-greenbacks-the-clinton-rake-in-109-million-since-leaving-white-house/

Okay, I misremember. it was indeed almost $110 million income--not net worth-- in the first seven years, or an average of almost $16 million a year and counting from 2007 to now. Any way you slice it, though, a total current net worth of under $25 million is questionable.

[dsc]

72. well they paid nearly 30 million in taxes

they had pretty massive debts upon leaving office, their house isn't report in the net worth form but any debt owed on them is, and they likely put a decent amount in trust for Chelsea and her daughter.

[merrily]

73. They left office in 2000 with legal bills. I think pulling in around $20 million a year for 15 years

more than covered their legal fees in year one.

they likely put a decent amount in trust for Chelsea and her daughter.

Just about what I said many posts ago.

[dsc]

74. their legal bills were rather high

but the 30 million in taxes takes them down to about 70 million. The legal bills were likely at least 5 million. The House isn't in the mix nor the donations they made to charity which totaled around 20 million. I have no problem with them having put in a decent amount for a trust for Chelsea and her child.

[merrily]

76. If I have not replied to all of your posts in the past, this one may explain why.

[dsc]

77. How dare I disagree with you

I'm sorry I was supposed to say you are correct I didn't realize that. I will say I didn't mean you in particular didn't respond to links but the last several times I have been asked I was stilffed but not by you.

[merrily]

86. It's not about disagreement.

[hifiguy]

85. I purposely used a conservative number

From a highly reputable site. I've seen figures 10-12 million higher that seem very plausible.

[Vattel]

23. Only three? She has won so many victories for those Americans who work to make weapons.

She won the argument against Biden to have a big increase in troop levels in Afghanistan. She prevailed in the argument about whether to replace a dictatorship in Libya with complete anarchy! She helped to defeat skeptics like Sanders who wanted to deny Bush the authority to invade Iraq should he deem them a threat to the US! She fought hard and scored big wins for mass incarceration and the war on drugs! She won one for the good guys when she approved the sale to Saudi Arabia of 29 billion dollars in arms in one year (don't worry, she is immune to liability if the weapons are misused)!

[840high]

75. What a woman!

[Scuba]

109. /\_/\_This_/\_/\

[merrily]

27. I know you post these OPs in order to be mocked.

I may indulge your need elsewhere on this thread, because I have a need to help others. However, this is a serious reply. (Sorry!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251696485#post73

[Bernblu]

60. Yes, she's a fighter and a winner for Wall Street!

[senz]

67. I know what Hillary has done for working Americans.

As we all know, Walmart is the nation’s largest domestic employer and Hillary Clinton was on the Walmart Board of Directors for six years while she was the First Lady of Arkansas.

Walmart took good care of Hillary back then.

Associated Press reported in 2006 that Mrs. Clinton was paid $18,000 annually plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended as a board member. The Clintons had $100,000 in Walmart stock, which was put into a blind trust after the 1992 election. The Clintons also flew for free on Wal-Mart corporate planes 14 times in 1990 and 1991, in preparation for Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential bid.

And continues to do so today.

The ties between the Clintons and the Walton family continue to this day. Alice Walton, the daughter of Wal-Mart’s founder Sam Walton, is a big supporter of Hillary Clinton becoming the Democratic presidential nominee in 2016. According to filings with the FEC, Alice Walton gave $25,000, the maximum allowed under federal law, to the super PAC Ready for Hillary. According to Clinton Foundation’s disclosures, the Walmart Foundation and the Walton Family Foundation each have given between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation.

(excerpts are from the second link above)

[SidDithers]

69. Well, she's got your shorts permanently twisted into knots...

I'd say that's a pretty worthwhile accomplishment.

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

78. Meh. Could be worse.

Those represent dead soldiers, Sid. Sent to kill lots of people, they were killed themselves. Their shorts, twisted or not, will not change state. Forever.

Yes, Sid, I understand that you believe the Iraq War was a good thing to vote for, or at least not a big deal, but I think it was a catastrophe, a conflagration, and approved for the worst of all reasons.

[merrily]

87. It wasn't "only" a vote. By her speech on the subject, she was helping sell the American public on

that war and, for as you said, the worst possible reasons.

Sanders, on the other hand, not only voted against it, but, in his speech, predicted the invasion would de-stabilize the entire Middle East, and so it has manifested.

[99Forever]

94. Ahh yes, SidDithers.

Always klassy. A perfect representation of the Clinton supporter mindset.

[merrily]

102. No one's perfect.

[merrily]

97. Manny has to be at least slightly flattered that you deem him and his shorts that important.

One of three major accomplishments of a candidate for President of the United States of America.

[MannyGoldstein]

107. !!!

[Fumesucker]

71. I may be going to hell in a bucket

But at least I'm enjoying the ride

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/27/485014/-The-War-Journals-of-Hillary-Clinton-Vol-1

[reddread]

79. A fighter for H1B's, an agent of change for sweat shop workers in Honduras

not to mention all those automobile plants south of the border.

did you mean the US of Americans?

[joshcryer]

82. Been reading Trump's twitter?

[MannyGoldstein]

83. No. I take it you posted that because you have no actual answers to the OP?nt

[joshcryer]

84. I'm not keen on defending Clinton right now.

If she wins the primary and doesn't fold I'll happily get into these circular arguments that we've been down before (you can literally google this question and my name and we've had this discussion before).

But I was joking about Trump's twitter. I read it for the lulz. And he said basically that when Biden dropped out: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/656883793354182657

[wyldwolf]

90. I answered your actual OP with 3 instances. You picked one thing and argued with Ted Kennnedy

[MineralMan]

103. This thread doesn't appear to have been one of your big hits.

I'm sorry.

[Zorra]

104. Helping to overthrow the democratically elected President of Honduras in 2009 as a service

to the 1%.

Child Refugees: The Consequences of the 2009 Coup in Honduras
snip---
The reasons behind U.S. support for the results of the coup, if not its means, have been quite clear to this day.
snip---
Zelaya, elected on the center-right Liberal Party ticket, attracted the ire of Washington when he defected from the neoliberal camp and began buddying up with the Castros in Cuba and the late Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, eventually having Honduras join the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas in 2008.

Other sins leading to his ouster included raising the minimum wage 60 percent, providing free education to all children (including free lunch to the poorest children), reducing poverty by 10 percent during his first two years in office and considering an expansion of the reproductive rights of women. Only weeks before the coup, Zelaya had agreed to review the land title claims of the campesinos living in the Aguan Valley, where currently security forces controlled by a rich landowner are engaged in a campaign of severe repression against the same campesinos.

The rich landowner in question is Miguel Facussé, a known narcotrafficker and coup supporter who met with U.S. State Department officials before and after the coup. His security forces conduct their operations in tandem with the Honduran military police, which in term receive its funding and training from (you guessed it) the U.S. government.

http://newamericamedia.org/2014/07/child-refugees-the-consequences-of-the-2009-coup-in-honduras.php

Democratically elected Honduran president, ousted by coup, describes Hillary Clinton:
snip---
The protests come six years after a coup ousted Honduras’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. At the time of the 2009 coup, Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton was serving as U.S. secretary of state. While the United States publicly supported Zelaya’s return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduras president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced lobbyist and former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, quote, "Can he help me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup. In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Department’s lead negotiator for the Honduras talks, refers to Zelaya as a "failed" leader.
snip---
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] I interacted with Secretary Clinton publicly on several occasions, especially when she was here in Honduras in 2009, one month before the coup d’état, and sanctions against Cuba that the OAS had imposed 40 years earlier were lifted. The decrees against Cuba were repealed, and that was the beginning of getting rid of the blockade. It began in Honduras. Secretary Clinton had many contacts with us. She is a very capable woman, intelligent, but she is very weak in the face of pressures from groups that hold power in the United States, the most extremist right-wing sectors of the U.S. government, known as the hawks of Washington. She bowed to those pressures. And that led U.S. policy to Honduras to be ambiguous and mistaken.

On the one hand, they condemned the coup, but on the other hand, they were negotiating with the leaders of the coup. And Secretary Clinton lent herself to that, maintaining that ambiguity of U.S. policy toward Honduras, which has resulted in a process of distrust and instability of Latin American governments in relation to U.S. foreign policies.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/28/clinton_the_coup_amid_protests_in

DLC's PNAC Document - Hillary Clinton On America's Strategy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495072

Enormous numbers of desperate, starving, and abused Hondurans have fled Honduras since the Wall St. sponsored coup of the socialist Honduran government, adding to the number of poverty stricken American workers, and creating an expanded market for basic consumer goods in the US!

The Third Way neoliberal system works for American workers!